Re: Low Cost 10G Router

2015-05-21 Thread Mark Tinka


On 20/May/15 19:44, Alain Hebert wrote:

 Cisco

 I don't know about the licensing for the ASR but I mostly deal
 with second hand devices.

 They are not flashy but do the job.

If you are not trying to enable any IOS XR PIE's that need licenses
(like video monitoring or optical monitoring), the only license worries
you'll have on the ASR9001 is the ASR9001-S.

The ASR9001-S is a 60Gbps version of the ASR9001 (50% capacity). You can
upgrade the ASR9001-S to the ASR9001 with a software license.

Mark.


Re: Low Cost 10G Router

2015-05-21 Thread William Waites
 BGP is still atrocious on the CCRs, but that's because the route
 update process isn't multithreaded.

I recently took a close look at this, and that the update process is
single-threaded is not the major problem so long as churn is not too
great. The problem is that due to a deeper problem the entire
forwarding table needs to be recalculated for *each* update. This
means that even with the usual background noise in the DFZ the daemon
is constantly updating everything. There are other bugs as well such
as not supporting recursive next hop (e.g. via OSPF) lookup for IPv6
which means that if you have any iBGP sessions and more than one
internal path you're out of luck with no obvious workaround.

The stock answer from Mikrotik is that everything will be fixed in
the next major release of the OS. When that happens, and how long it
takes to shake out the inevitable new bugs is an open
question. Personally I give it at least a year before we would even
try to use these seriously for BGP. Until then, it's FreeBSD and
BIRD.

Best,
-w
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Re: Peering and Network Cost

2015-05-21 Thread Rafael Possamai
James, curious to know... what size ISPs are they? In the last few years
with the larger ones it has always been about lowering cost and increasing
revenue, which throws the original idea of peering out the window (unless
you are willing to pay).

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 4:52 AM, James Bensley jwbens...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 17 April 2015 at 16:53, Justin Wilson - MTIN li...@mtin.net wrote:
  Peering and peering on an exchange are two different things.  Peering at
 an exchange has several benefits other than the simple cost of transit.  If
 you are in a large data center which charges fees for cross connects a
 single cross connect to an exchange can save you money.
 
  Peering can also be a sales tool.  If you buy from a VOIP provider and
 are peered with them your latency and such will go down.  You also have
 more control over the QOS over that peer.  This can be spun into marketing.
 
  Not to toot our own horn but we put together a list of benefits for our
 IX customers:
  http://www.midwest-ix.com/blog/?p=15
 
 
  Also, a good article at:
 
 http://blog.webserver.com.my/index.php/the-benefits-of-hosting-at-internet-exchange-point/


 I also have a similar working document that I'd welcome feedback on to
 improve;


 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i2bPZDt75hAwcR4iKMqaNSGIeM-nJSWLZ6SLTTnuXNs/edit?usp=sharing

 I've used it once to help an ISP evalutate peering and started them in
 the world of public peering. I'm now going through that proces again
 with another ISP and again they will start public peering soon, having
 used this doc in both cases as an intro/FAQ for them.

 Cheers,
 James.



Re: Measuring DNS Performance Graphing Logs

2015-05-21 Thread Joe Abley

Hi Zayed,

I think you're more likely to get good answers to your BIND-specific 
questions on the bind-users mailing list. See:


  https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users

BIND9 has the capability to produce a vast variety and volume of logs, 
and dealing with logs in general is something that there are solutions 
for. Maybe look at logstash/elasticsearch as a starting point. Other 
BIND9 users on the bind-users list will no doubt have advice about what 
types logs they think are important.


Recent releases of BIND9 can export a variety of statistics in XML and 
JSON formats using HTTP. Pulling those out and sending them to 
cacti/graphite/whatever is also a fairly non-DNS-specific problem to 
have.


Advice for tuning a BIND9 recursive resolver's cache can be found in a 
tech note published by ISC; if that's not especially relevant to modern 
releases (I seem to think it was published some time ago) you could 
again look to the bind-users list for advice. For authority-only 
servers, your main concern is whether you have enough RAM to hold all 
your zone data. If you do, and if your server was built this decade and 
has no hardware faults, chances are you're good.


Deciding whether your servers struggling to keep up with the load of the 
software you're running on it is another problem that is not specific to 
the DNS. Check with whoever provides your operating system for advice; 
look in to system statistics collection using things like collectd and 
publish somewhere you can record data and identify long-term trends so 
you know what looks normal (since until you know what normal looks like, 
you can't tell what a problem looks like).


You can use commercial services like catchpoint and thousandeyes to 
check that your authoritative nameservers are suitably responsive. You 
can use non-commercial services like Atlas to do the same thing.


If you've connected your nameservers to the network in such a way that 
there's a stateful firewall between the server and its clients, the 
report to your boss could be very brief and accurate; something like 
service expected to fail at any time; explosion imminent would do it.



Joe

On 21 May 2015, at 7:15, Zayed Mahmud wrote:

Thanks a lot to Denis Fondras, Zachary, Andrew Smith, Christopher 
Morrow

for your valuable advice.

I've tried cacti but failed to get desired logs. i've also tried bind
graph...but it consumes too much memory in the long run.

can u suggest some suitable tools that i can measure the performance 
of the
dns servers? like what shud b active and what shud not be in general 
safe
dns server practice and check against my own settings or whatever the 
tool
can query, something like nmap. this would be really helpful. i just 
need
to make a report about my dns servers for my boss...and i'm clueless 
what

to point out and what not to or how to evaluate it's performance. i'm
running bind9 under unix environment.

thanks in advance.

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Zayed Mahmud 
zayed.mah...@gmail.com

wrote:


Hello!
This is my first message to NANOG's mailing list. I hope someone can 
help

me.

I was wondering which tool(s) can I use to measure the performance of 
my 3
DNS servers (1 primary, 1 secondary, 1 solely cacheDNS)? From the 
stats I
would like to know if my DNS server is serving as it should be or if 
any of

it's options are set inappropriately and others alike.

I looked for a while but could not find any. Any help would be highly
appreciated. I am running bind9 on UNIX platform.

Question 2) I would also like to know how can I graph my DNS logs? 
And how
can I integrate it to my CACTI server as well? I couldn't find any 
suitable

plugin. Any suggestion?

--

--
Best Regards,

*Zayed Mahmud*

*Senior Core  IP Network Team,*

*Banglalion Communications Limited, Bangladesh.*





--

--
Best Regards,
*Zayed Mahmud.*


Re: Measuring DNS Performance Graphing Logs

2015-05-21 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Zayed,

What issues did you run into when trying to monitor Bind with Cacti ?

here is a nice write up on this: http://gregsowell.com/?p=4763

If you don't find yourself getting far with this, then you can always use the 
Captain James T. Kirk's way of solving  Kobayashi Maru  (Use powerdns 
instead of bind, powerdns has stats built in).

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom

- Original Message -
 From: Zayed Mahmud zayed.mah...@gmail.com
 To: nanog@nanog.org
 Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:15:41 AM
 Subject: Re: Measuring DNS Performance  Graphing Logs
 
 Thanks a lot to Denis Fondras, Zachary, Andrew Smith, Christopher Morrow
 for your valuable advice.
 
 I've tried cacti but failed to get desired logs. i've also tried bind
 graph...but it consumes too much memory in the long run.
 
 can u suggest some suitable tools that i can measure the performance of the
 dns servers? like what shud b active and what shud not be in general safe
 dns server practice and check against my own settings or whatever the tool
 can query, something like nmap. this would be really helpful. i just need
 to make a report about my dns servers for my boss...and i'm clueless what
 to point out and what not to or how to evaluate it's performance. i'm
 running bind9 under unix environment.
 
 thanks in advance.
 
 On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Zayed Mahmud zayed.mah...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Hello!
  This is my first message to NANOG's mailing list. I hope someone can help
  me.
 
  I was wondering which tool(s) can I use to measure the performance of my 3
  DNS servers (1 primary, 1 secondary, 1 solely cacheDNS)? From the stats I
  would like to know if my DNS server is serving as it should be or if any of
  it's options are set inappropriately and others alike.
 
  I looked for a while but could not find any. Any help would be highly
  appreciated. I am running bind9 on UNIX platform.
 
  Question 2) I would also like to know how can I graph my DNS logs? And how
  can I integrate it to my CACTI server as well? I couldn't find any suitable
  plugin. Any suggestion?
 
  --
 
  --
  Best Regards,
 
  *Zayed Mahmud*
 
  *Senior Core  IP Network Team,*
 
  *Banglalion Communications Limited, Bangladesh.*
 
 
 
 
 --
 
 --
 Best Regards,
 *Zayed Mahmud.*
 


Re: Peering and Network Cost

2015-05-21 Thread Mike Hammett
As a small ISP, I'll peer with everybody possible. ;-) It's mostly about cost, 
but the quality goes up as well. Some of the people we're working with saw an 
increase in consumption the moment they joined IXes. The quality of the 
connections improved, so the streaming video (assumed) was able to flow at a 
higher bit-rate. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: Rafael Possamai raf...@gav.ufsc.br 
To: James Bensley jwbens...@gmail.com 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:40:23 AM 
Subject: Re: Peering and Network Cost 

James, curious to know... what size ISPs are they? In the last few years 
with the larger ones it has always been about lowering cost and increasing 
revenue, which throws the original idea of peering out the window (unless 
you are willing to pay). 

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 4:52 AM, James Bensley jwbens...@gmail.com wrote: 

 On 17 April 2015 at 16:53, Justin Wilson - MTIN li...@mtin.net wrote: 
  Peering and peering on an exchange are two different things. Peering at 
 an exchange has several benefits other than the simple cost of transit. If 
 you are in a large data center which charges fees for cross connects a 
 single cross connect to an exchange can save you money. 
  
  Peering can also be a sales tool. If you buy from a VOIP provider and 
 are peered with them your latency and such will go down. You also have 
 more control over the QOS over that peer. This can be spun into marketing. 
  
  Not to toot our own horn but we put together a list of benefits for our 
 IX customers: 
  http://www.midwest-ix.com/blog/?p=15 
  
  
  Also, a good article at: 
  
 http://blog.webserver.com.my/index.php/the-benefits-of-hosting-at-internet-exchange-point/
  
 
 
 I also have a similar working document that I'd welcome feedback on to 
 improve; 
 
 
 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i2bPZDt75hAwcR4iKMqaNSGIeM-nJSWLZ6SLTTnuXNs/edit?usp=sharing
  
 
 I've used it once to help an ISP evalutate peering and started them in 
 the world of public peering. I'm now going through that proces again 
 with another ISP and again they will start public peering soon, having 
 used this doc in both cases as an intro/FAQ for them. 
 
 Cheers, 
 James. 
 



Re: bing on v6

2015-05-21 Thread John Levine
And www.frontier.com has been broken for 6 days.

Works fine for me over v6 although the chain of TLS certificates looks
kind of funky.

R's,
John




RE: bing on v6

2015-05-21 Thread Frank Bulk
There are several properties that used to work and do not anymore:
wireless.att.com
www.att.net
www.charter.com
www.globalcrossing.com

John B. told me a couple of days ago to stand by for dns.comcast.net and 
www.dnsec.comcast.net, so I'm doing that. =)

And www.frontier.com has been broken for 6 days.

Frank

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Jared Mauch
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 2:48 PM
To: Bajpai, Vaibhav
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: bing on v6


 On May 21, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Bajpai, Vaibhav v.baj...@jacobs-university.de 
 wrote:
 
 Dear NANOG,
 
 We do not see  entries for www.bing.com since Sep 2013 anymore [1].
 For sure this is only from our measurement vantage points, so may not
 be true globally. Does anybody know the backstory of what happened?
 
 [1] http://goo.gl/K1Zx4u (see: slide 23/32)

There are a few others that turned it off after IPv6 day and/or launch such as 
bit.ly.

I have heard that some of the outstanding top 25 properties are going to launch 
IPv6 ‘soon’, where that may be some point in 2015.  I know many people have 
been hesitant as they don’t have the same resolver - ip mapping data for IPv6 
yet.

- jared



Re: Measuring DNS Performance Graphing Logs

2015-05-21 Thread Zayed Mahmud
Thanks a lot to Denis Fondras, Zachary, Andrew Smith, Christopher Morrow
for your valuable advice.

I've tried cacti but failed to get desired logs. i've also tried bind
graph...but it consumes too much memory in the long run.

can u suggest some suitable tools that i can measure the performance of the
dns servers? like what shud b active and what shud not be in general safe
dns server practice and check against my own settings or whatever the tool
can query, something like nmap. this would be really helpful. i just need
to make a report about my dns servers for my boss...and i'm clueless what
to point out and what not to or how to evaluate it's performance. i'm
running bind9 under unix environment.

thanks in advance.

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Zayed Mahmud zayed.mah...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hello!
 This is my first message to NANOG's mailing list. I hope someone can help
 me.

 I was wondering which tool(s) can I use to measure the performance of my 3
 DNS servers (1 primary, 1 secondary, 1 solely cacheDNS)? From the stats I
 would like to know if my DNS server is serving as it should be or if any of
 it's options are set inappropriately and others alike.

 I looked for a while but could not find any. Any help would be highly
 appreciated. I am running bind9 on UNIX platform.

 Question 2) I would also like to know how can I graph my DNS logs? And how
 can I integrate it to my CACTI server as well? I couldn't find any suitable
 plugin. Any suggestion?

 --

 --
 Best Regards,

 *Zayed Mahmud*

 *Senior Core  IP Network Team,*

 *Banglalion Communications Limited, Bangladesh.*




-- 

-- 
Best Regards,
*Zayed Mahmud.*


Re: Peering and Network Cost

2015-05-21 Thread James Bensley
On 17 April 2015 at 16:53, Justin Wilson - MTIN li...@mtin.net wrote:
 Peering and peering on an exchange are two different things.  Peering at an 
 exchange has several benefits other than the simple cost of transit.  If you 
 are in a large data center which charges fees for cross connects a single 
 cross connect to an exchange can save you money.

 Peering can also be a sales tool.  If you buy from a VOIP provider and are 
 peered with them your latency and such will go down.  You also have more 
 control over the QOS over that peer.  This can be spun into marketing.

 Not to toot our own horn but we put together a list of benefits for our IX 
 customers:
 http://www.midwest-ix.com/blog/?p=15


 Also, a good article at:
 http://blog.webserver.com.my/index.php/the-benefits-of-hosting-at-internet-exchange-point/


I also have a similar working document that I'd welcome feedback on to improve;

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i2bPZDt75hAwcR4iKMqaNSGIeM-nJSWLZ6SLTTnuXNs/edit?usp=sharing

I've used it once to help an ISP evalutate peering and started them in
the world of public peering. I'm now going through that proces again
with another ISP and again they will start public peering soon, having
used this doc in both cases as an intro/FAQ for them.

Cheers,
James.


Cisco NX 5548UP Monitoring

2015-05-21 Thread sathish kumar Ippani
Hi All,

Thanks for reviewing my query.

I am very new to NX OS, and I would like to know, what are the entities
that we can monitor.

Currently we are doing basic monitoring like interface, bandwidth usage

-- 
With Regards,

Sathish Kumar Ippani
9177166040


RE: Peering and Network Cost

2015-05-21 Thread Eric Dugas
We went that way too about 2 years ago. We usually pass around 25 to 40% of our 
North American traffic to the 4 IXes we're connected at a very low cost in 
Toronto and Montreal. One of the biggest IX we're connected to in New York is 
almost the same price per Mbps as some cheap transit providers but we're 
keeping our port for the connectivity improvement.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: May 21, 2015 8:50 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Peering and Network Cost

As a small ISP, I'll peer with everybody possible. ;-) It's mostly about cost, 
but the quality goes up as well. Some of the people we're working with saw an 
increase in consumption the moment they joined IXes. The quality of the 
connections improved, so the streaming video (assumed) was able to flow at a 
higher bit-rate. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: Rafael Possamai raf...@gav.ufsc.br 
To: James Bensley jwbens...@gmail.com 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:40:23 AM 
Subject: Re: Peering and Network Cost 

James, curious to know... what size ISPs are they? In the last few years 
with the larger ones it has always been about lowering cost and increasing 
revenue, which throws the original idea of peering out the window (unless 
you are willing to pay). 

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 4:52 AM, James Bensley jwbens...@gmail.com wrote: 

 On 17 April 2015 at 16:53, Justin Wilson - MTIN li...@mtin.net wrote: 
  Peering and peering on an exchange are two different things. Peering at 
 an exchange has several benefits other than the simple cost of transit. If 
 you are in a large data center which charges fees for cross connects a 
 single cross connect to an exchange can save you money. 
  
  Peering can also be a sales tool. If you buy from a VOIP provider and 
 are peered with them your latency and such will go down. You also have 
 more control over the QOS over that peer. This can be spun into marketing. 
  
  Not to toot our own horn but we put together a list of benefits for our 
 IX customers: 
  http://www.midwest-ix.com/blog/?p=15 
  
  
  Also, a good article at: 
  
 http://blog.webserver.com.my/index.php/the-benefits-of-hosting-at-internet-exchange-point/
  
 
 
 I also have a similar working document that I'd welcome feedback on to 
 improve; 
 
 
 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i2bPZDt75hAwcR4iKMqaNSGIeM-nJSWLZ6SLTTnuXNs/edit?usp=sharing
  
 
 I've used it once to help an ISP evalutate peering and started them in 
 the world of public peering. I'm now going through that proces again 
 with another ISP and again they will start public peering soon, having 
 used this doc in both cases as an intro/FAQ for them. 
 
 Cheers, 
 James. 
 



Re: Peering and Network Cost

2015-05-21 Thread Mark Tinka


On 21/May/15 18:59, Dave Taht wrote:

 Two things I am curious about are 1) What is the measured benefit of
 moving a netflix server into your local ISP network

 and 2) does anyone measure cross town latency. If we lived in a
 world where skype/voip/etc transited the local town only,
 what sort of latencies would be see within an ISP and within a
 cross-connect from, say a gfiber to a comcast?

On average, 1ms for every 100km.

We've seen this in practice - consistently - for any fibre deployed
within the same town/city.

Unless someone does something very wrong with the fibre, suffers
terrible hardware issues, deliberately implements debilitating bandwidth
management or does a piss-poor job of network design, it would be
reasonably hard to go above +/- 1ms for traffic that originates and
terminates within the same town, let alone 6 miles of speaking parties.

Mark.


Re: Peering and Network Cost

2015-05-21 Thread Anthony Kosednar
On Thursday, May 21, 2015, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote:



 On 21/May/15 18:59, Dave Taht wrote:

  Two things I am curious about are 1) What is the measured benefit of
  moving a netflix server into your local ISP network
 
  and 2) does anyone measure cross town latency. If we lived in a
  world where skype/voip/etc transited the local town only,
  what sort of latencies would be see within an ISP and within a
  cross-connect from, say a gfiber to a comcast?

 On average, 1ms for every 100km.

 We've seen this in practice - consistently - for any fibre deployed
 within the same town/city.

 Unless someone does something very wrong with the fibre, suffers
 terrible hardware issues, deliberately implements debilitating bandwidth
 management or does a piss-poor job of network design, it would be
 reasonably hard to go above +/- 1ms for traffic that originates and
 terminates within the same town, let alone 6 miles of speaking parties.

 Mark.



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Sent from Gmail Mobile


RE: bing on v6

2015-05-21 Thread Frank Bulk
It literally came up within minutes of my posting. =)  I know there are 
Frontier staff lurking on NANOG and I had already engaged a senior Frontier 
person on this last week, but he was dependent on their IT department to 
resolve this.

Frank

-Original Message-
From: John Levine [mailto:jo...@iecc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 4:14 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Cc: frnk...@iname.com
Subject: Re: bing on v6

And www.frontier.com has been broken for 6 days.

Works fine for me over v6 although the chain of TLS certificates looks
kind of funky.

R's,
John






Re: bing on v6

2015-05-21 Thread Jared Mauch

 On May 21, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Bajpai, Vaibhav v.baj...@jacobs-university.de 
 wrote:
 
 Dear NANOG,
 
 We do not see  entries for www.bing.com since Sep 2013 anymore [1].
 For sure this is only from our measurement vantage points, so may not
 be true globally. Does anybody know the backstory of what happened?
 
 [1] http://goo.gl/K1Zx4u (see: slide 23/32)

There are a few others that turned it off after IPv6 day and/or launch such as 
bit.ly.

I have heard that some of the outstanding top 25 properties are going to launch 
IPv6 ‘soon’, where that may be some point in 2015.  I know many people have 
been hesitant as they don’t have the same resolver - ip mapping data for IPv6 
yet.

- jared

bing on v6

2015-05-21 Thread Bajpai, Vaibhav
Dear NANOG,

We do not see  entries for www.bing.com since Sep 2013 anymore [1].
For sure this is only from our measurement vantage points, so may not
be true globally. Does anybody know the backstory of what happened?

[1] http://goo.gl/K1Zx4u (see: slide 23/32)

Thanks!

Best, Vaibhav

=
Vaibhav Bajpai

Research I, Room 91
Computer Networks and Distributed Systems (CNDS) Lab
School of Engineering and Sciences
Jacobs University Bremen, Germany

www.vaibhavbajpai.com
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Re: Peering and Network Cost

2015-05-21 Thread James Bensley
On 21 May 2015 at 13:40, Rafael Possamai raf...@gav.ufsc.br wrote:
 James, curious to know... what size ISPs are they? In the last few years
 with the larger ones it has always been about lowering cost and increasing
 revenue, which throws the original idea of peering out the window (unless
 you are willing to pay).


Yes agreed, I have seen the same behaviour too with larger companies
although peering can lower costs as I will show below in the 2nd
example. Typically though I hear what you are saying, if you are a
larger transit consumer with larger commits you really have the weight
to stand on your transit provider’s neck until they give you the price
you want (which is pretty effective, transit really is dirt cheap
these days if you have the traffic levels to back it up).

With regards to your question I can't say too much as I'm not sure
what I can and can't disclose. The first ISP was a small one with
circa 1Gbps of total transit volume (at the time I carried them
through the peering process, could be different now). They managed to
peer off a third of their transit traffic requirement, so dropping a
third of their transit made them a small but acceptable cost saving
(since at the time they only had circa 1Gbps of total ingress/egress
traffic). For them the marketing aspect of being at a big well know IX
was/is very important. So from that rather small cost saving gained
from reducing their transit commit with the overhead of peering, the
value add for them was greatly boosted by being able to market their
IX presence.

In the period that followed joining their first IXP that ISP then
gained further from a technical perspective as we managed to take
direct peering’s across that IXP LAN to some VoIP upstreams and
downstreams of theirs and a hosted service provider that ISP works
with, and in all those cases that has reduced latency and packet loss
which customers have directly noted on having a positive impact.

The second ISP I'm now running this exercise for is a medium size ISP,
they have about 5Gbps of transit requirements at present and are
hoping to peer off half of that. They also intent to increase the
transit requirements to circa 10G within the next couple of years, so
if they peer off 50% ingress/egress traffic they stand to save quite a
bit of money. A 10G peering port is usually a fixed priced so they
will just see the ROI on that port grow over time hopefully. One
important reason they will make a significant cost saving is due to
legacy contracts such as some old PA space they can drop off which is
very costly and old transit contracts still on high cost-per-Mbps
tariffs My colleague on this expects to cut the transit bill literally
in half by the end of the first year.


Cheers,
James.


Re: Peering and Network Cost

2015-05-21 Thread Dave Taht
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Max Tulyev max...@netassist.ua wrote:
 Hi Roderick,

 transit cost is lowering close to peering cost, so it is doubghtful
 economy on small channels. If you don't live in
 Amsterdam/Frankfurt/London - add the DWDM cost from you to one of major
 IX. That's the magic.

 In large scale peering is still efficient. It is efficient on local
 traffic which is often huge.

Two things I am curious about are 1) What is the measured benefit of
moving a netflix server into your local ISP network

and 2) does anyone measure cross town latency. If we lived in a
world where skype/voip/etc transited the local town only,
what sort of latencies would be see within an ISP and within a
cross-connect from, say a gfiber to a comcast?

Once upon a time I'd heard that most phone calls were within 6 miles
of the person's home, but I don't remember the breakdown of those call
percentages (?), and certainly the old-style phone system was
achieving very low latencies for those kinds of traffic.


 On 04/15/15 17:28, Rod Beck wrote:
 Hi,


 As you all know, transit costs in the wholesale market today a few percent 
 of what it did in 2000. I assume that most of that decline is due to a 
 modified version of Moore's Law (I don't believe optics costs decline 50% 
 every 18 months) and the advent of maverick players like Cogent that broker 
 cozy oligopoly pricing.


 But I also wondering whether the advent of widespread peering (promiscuous?) 
 among the Tier 2 players (buy transit and peer) has played a role. In 2000 
 peering was still an exclusive club and in contrast today Tier 2 players 
 often have hundreds of peers. Peering should reduce costs and also demand in 
 the wholesale IP market. Supply increases and demand falls.


 I thank you in advance for any insights.


 Regards,


 - R.


 Roderick Beck
 Sales Director/Europe and the Americas
 Hibernia Networks

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Re: Measuring DNS Performance Graphing Logs

2015-05-21 Thread Jared Mauch

 On May 21, 2015, at 12:00 PM, char...@thefnf.org wrote:
 
 can u suggest some suitable tools that i can measure the performance of the
 dns servers?
 
 What sort of performance? What metrics are you trying to track? Please 
 provide more details about exactly what you want.
 That will help us give you very specific suggestions. (We provide advice for 
 free, have very busy schedules, the more specific
 you are the better).

At the recent DNS-OARC meeting there was an interesting discussion about a new 
tool called DNSDIST.  It’s part of PowerDNS and there is also a independent tar 
one can fetch.

What is interesting about it is it can report on a lot of data about the 
performance of your DNS servers.   Some people use a load balancer, and this 
will do that but be application aware and can easily route certain types of 
queries to another server.  (e.g.: arpa requests to dedicated servers, same as 
domains that may be used/abused).

It provides realtime graphs of CPU usage and query rates as well as average 
response times.

You can set query rate limits and it will balance as you specify.  This is 
useful as many people who know/use Linux have seen the issues with UDP kernel 
performance.  If you’re not aware, do this: 

UDP:

iperf -s -u
iperf -u -c localhost -b 25000m

eg:
[  3]  0.0-10.0 sec  4.50 GBytes  3.87 Gbits/sec   0.000 ms 84054/3374408 (2.5%)

vs

TCP:

iperf -s
iperf -c localhost
[  3]  0.0-10.0 sec  56.1 GBytes  48.2 Gbits/sec

- Jared