Re: Google Apps for ISPs -- Lingering fallout
Ryan, Most certainly, the charges varied some because of size and other factors but it was around 25 cents monthly per Gmail box. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 1:43 AM, Ryan Finnesey r...@finnesey.com wrote: Was Google charging ISPs for this service? Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Gary Greene Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:18 PM To: Shawn L sha...@up.net Cc: nanog nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Google Apps for ISPs -- Lingering fallout You’ll need to escalate this with Google. If the front-end support team cannot help, move up the chain as far as you can. It should eventually reach the PM that worked on the turn-down of that service and get some action. -- Gary L. Greene, Jr. Sr. Systems Administrator IT Operations Minerva Networks, Inc. Cell: +1 (650) 704-6633 On Aug 18, 2015, at 10:39 AM, Shawn L sha...@up.net wrote: I know there are others on this list who used Google Apps for ISPs and recently migrated off (as the service was discontinued). We have had several cases where the user had a YouTube channel or Picasa photo albums, etc. that they created with their Google Apps for ISPs credentials. Now that the service is gone, those channels and albums still exist but the users are unable to login to them or manage them in any way because it tells them that their account has been disabled. Of course, Google had been un-responsive to all of our (and the customer's) inquiries about how to fix this. Has anyone else run into this and found a way around it? thanks Shawn
Re: Google Apps for ISPs -- Lingering fallout
When it comes to reasons for them to force everyone off I believe it has to do with control. ISP accounts tend to be personal accounts, but when you stop being a customer of the ISP they will deactivate the account. Now that they tied purchases on the play store to the account it made things very messy when a customers account was deactivated and they suddenly lose all of this stuff they paid for. On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Which is odd. Considering it was basically gmail on the back end and they still got ad revenue from it. On Aug 24, 2015, at 08:34, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote: Ryan, Most certainly, the charges varied some because of size and other factors but it was around 25 cents monthly per Gmail box. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 1:43 AM, Ryan Finnesey r...@finnesey.com wrote: Was Google charging ISPs for this service? Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Gary Greene Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:18 PM To: Shawn L sha...@up.net Cc: nanog nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Google Apps for ISPs -- Lingering fallout You’ll need to escalate this with Google. If the front-end support team cannot help, move up the chain as far as you can. It should eventually reach the PM that worked on the turn-down of that service and get some action. -- Gary L. Greene, Jr. Sr. Systems Administrator IT Operations Minerva Networks, Inc. Cell: +1 (650) 704-6633 On Aug 18, 2015, at 10:39 AM, Shawn L sha...@up.net wrote: I know there are others on this list who used Google Apps for ISPs and recently migrated off (as the service was discontinued). We have had several cases where the user had a YouTube channel or Picasa photo albums, etc. that they created with their Google Apps for ISPs credentials. Now that the service is gone, those channels and albums still exist but the users are unable to login to them or manage them in any way because it tells them that their account has been disabled. Of course, Google had been un-responsive to all of our (and the customer's) inquiries about how to fix this. Has anyone else run into this and found a way around it? thanks Shawn
RE: Google Apps for ISPs -- Lingering fallout
Initially no. After a while yes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 24, 2015 1:44 AM, Ryan Finnesey r...@finnesey.com wrote: Was Google charging ISPs for this service? Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Gary Greene Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:18 PM To: Shawn L sha...@up.net Cc: nanog nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Google Apps for ISPs -- Lingering fallout You’ll need to escalate this with Google. If the front-end support team cannot help, move up the chain as far as you can. It should eventually reach the PM that worked on the turn-down of that service and get some action. -- Gary L. Greene, Jr. Sr. Systems Administrator IT Operations Minerva Networks, Inc. Cell: +1 (650) 704-6633 On Aug 18, 2015, at 10:39 AM, Shawn L sha...@up.net wrote: I know there are others on this list who used Google Apps for ISPs and recently migrated off (as the service was discontinued). We have had several cases where the user had a YouTube channel or Picasa photo albums, etc. that they created with their Google Apps for ISPs credentials. Now that the service is gone, those channels and albums still exist but the users are unable to login to them or manage them in any way because it tells them that their account has been disabled. Of course, Google had been un-responsive to all of our (and the customer's) inquiries about how to fix this. Has anyone else run into this and found a way around it? thanks Shawn
RE: Google Apps for ISPs -- Lingering fallout
Myself and others dropped the offering. Customers simply got a free Gmail (some Hotmail and Yahoo). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 24, 2015 9:17 AM, Ryan Finnesey r...@finnesey.com wrote: I have been working on putting together a program to work with ISPs to offer Office 365 I was thinking the Google Apps for ISP shutdown would be an opportunity but it seem to be a very different price point. I have done a large number of Google App to Office 365 migration but Google was charging around $12 per user.Also a lot within the nonprofit space witch is a free license. What system did most ISPs move to? Cheers Ryan From: Scott Helms [mailto:khe...@zcorum.com] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 8:35 AM To: Ryan Finnesey r...@finnesey.com Cc: Gary Greene ggre...@minervanetworks.com; Shawn L sha...@up.net; nanog nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Google Apps for ISPs -- Lingering fallout Ryan, Most certainly, the charges varied some because of size and other factors but it was around 25 cents monthly per Gmail box. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 1:43 AM, Ryan Finnesey r...@finnesey.commailto: r...@finnesey.com wrote: Was Google charging ISPs for this service? Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.orgmailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Gary Greene Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:18 PM To: Shawn L sha...@up.netmailto:sha...@up.net Cc: nanog nanog@nanog.orgmailto:nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Google Apps for ISPs -- Lingering fallout You’ll need to escalate this with Google. If the front-end support team cannot help, move up the chain as far as you can. It should eventually reach the PM that worked on the turn-down of that service and get some action. -- Gary L. Greene, Jr. Sr. Systems Administrator IT Operations Minerva Networks, Inc. Cell: +1 (650) 704-6633tel:%2B1%20%28650%29%20704-6633 On Aug 18, 2015, at 10:39 AM, Shawn L sha...@up.netmailto: sha...@up.net wrote: I know there are others on this list who used Google Apps for ISPs and recently migrated off (as the service was discontinued). We have had several cases where the user had a YouTube channel or Picasa photo albums, etc. that they created with their Google Apps for ISPs credentials. Now that the service is gone, those channels and albums still exist but the users are unable to login to them or manage them in any way because it tells them that their account has been disabled. Of course, Google had been un-responsive to all of our (and the customer's) inquiries about how to fix this. Has anyone else run into this and found a way around it? thanks Shawn
Re: Google Apps for ISPs -- Lingering fallout
Ryan, From what I've seen a myriad of solutions. A lot of the people I know that wanted a full functionality replacement switched to Hyperoffice: http://www.hyperoffice.com/sp/google-apps.php Some others went to Zimbra: https://www.zimbra.com/ Others went to a variety of less functional but also less expensive solutions that look more like traditional ISP email. It really depended on how much the ISP thought their end users wanted the Google like functionality. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Ryan Finnesey r...@finnesey.com wrote: I have been working on putting together a program to work with ISPs to offer Office 365 I was thinking the Google Apps for ISP shutdown would be an opportunity but it seem to be a very different price point. I have done a large number of Google App to Office 365 migration but Google was charging around $12 per user.Also a lot within the nonprofit space witch is a free license. What system did most ISPs move to? Cheers Ryan *From:* Scott Helms [mailto:khe...@zcorum.com] *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2015 8:35 AM *To:* Ryan Finnesey r...@finnesey.com *Cc:* Gary Greene ggre...@minervanetworks.com; Shawn L sha...@up.net; nanog nanog@nanog.org *Subject:* Re: Google Apps for ISPs -- Lingering fallout Ryan, Most certainly, the charges varied some because of size and other factors but it was around 25 cents monthly per Gmail box. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 1:43 AM, Ryan Finnesey r...@finnesey.com wrote: Was Google charging ISPs for this service? Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Gary Greene Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:18 PM To: Shawn L sha...@up.net Cc: nanog nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Google Apps for ISPs -- Lingering fallout You’ll need to escalate this with Google. If the front-end support team cannot help, move up the chain as far as you can. It should eventually reach the PM that worked on the turn-down of that service and get some action. -- Gary L. Greene, Jr. Sr. Systems Administrator IT Operations Minerva Networks, Inc. Cell: +1 (650) 704-6633 On Aug 18, 2015, at 10:39 AM, Shawn L sha...@up.net wrote: I know there are others on this list who used Google Apps for ISPs and recently migrated off (as the service was discontinued). We have had several cases where the user had a YouTube channel or Picasa photo albums, etc. that they created with their Google Apps for ISPs credentials. Now that the service is gone, those channels and albums still exist but the users are unable to login to them or manage them in any way because it tells them that their account has been disabled. Of course, Google had been un-responsive to all of our (and the customer's) inquiries about how to fix this. Has anyone else run into this and found a way around it? thanks Shawn
Re: Google Apps for ISPs -- Lingering fallout
Which is odd. Considering it was basically gmail on the back end and they still got ad revenue from it. On Aug 24, 2015, at 08:34, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote: Ryan, Most certainly, the charges varied some because of size and other factors but it was around 25 cents monthly per Gmail box. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 1:43 AM, Ryan Finnesey r...@finnesey.com wrote: Was Google charging ISPs for this service? Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Gary Greene Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:18 PM To: Shawn L sha...@up.net Cc: nanog nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Google Apps for ISPs -- Lingering fallout You’ll need to escalate this with Google. If the front-end support team cannot help, move up the chain as far as you can. It should eventually reach the PM that worked on the turn-down of that service and get some action. -- Gary L. Greene, Jr. Sr. Systems Administrator IT Operations Minerva Networks, Inc. Cell: +1 (650) 704-6633 On Aug 18, 2015, at 10:39 AM, Shawn L sha...@up.net wrote: I know there are others on this list who used Google Apps for ISPs and recently migrated off (as the service was discontinued). We have had several cases where the user had a YouTube channel or Picasa photo albums, etc. that they created with their Google Apps for ISPs credentials. Now that the service is gone, those channels and albums still exist but the users are unable to login to them or manage them in any way because it tells them that their account has been disabled. Of course, Google had been un-responsive to all of our (and the customer's) inquiries about how to fix this. Has anyone else run into this and found a way around it? thanks Shawn
Re: Google Apps for ISPs -- Lingering fallout
Matt, That's what I thought, but it was even more expensive if you decided you wanted the ad free version. The folks at Google I spoke with countered with the costs for Google Apps for Business and placed Partner Edition (the one for ISPs) between the direct consumer Gmail offering and the business offerings in functionality and pricing. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Which is odd. Considering it was basically gmail on the back end and they still got ad revenue from it. On Aug 24, 2015, at 08:34, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote: Ryan, Most certainly, the charges varied some because of size and other factors but it was around 25 cents monthly per Gmail box. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 1:43 AM, Ryan Finnesey r...@finnesey.com wrote: Was Google charging ISPs for this service? Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Gary Greene Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:18 PM To: Shawn L sha...@up.net Cc: nanog nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Google Apps for ISPs -- Lingering fallout You’ll need to escalate this with Google. If the front-end support team cannot help, move up the chain as far as you can. It should eventually reach the PM that worked on the turn-down of that service and get some action. -- Gary L. Greene, Jr. Sr. Systems Administrator IT Operations Minerva Networks, Inc. Cell: +1 (650) 704-6633 On Aug 18, 2015, at 10:39 AM, Shawn L sha...@up.net wrote: I know there are others on this list who used Google Apps for ISPs and recently migrated off (as the service was discontinued). We have had several cases where the user had a YouTube channel or Picasa photo albums, etc. that they created with their Google Apps for ISPs credentials. Now that the service is gone, those channels and albums still exist but the users are unable to login to them or manage them in any way because it tells them that their account has been disabled. Of course, Google had been un-responsive to all of our (and the customer's) inquiries about how to fix this. Has anyone else run into this and found a way around it? thanks Shawn
RE: Google Apps for ISPs -- Lingering fallout
I have been working on putting together a program to work with ISPs to offer Office 365 I was thinking the Google Apps for ISP shutdown would be an opportunity but it seem to be a very different price point. I have done a large number of Google App to Office 365 migration but Google was charging around $12 per user.Also a lot within the nonprofit space witch is a free license. What system did most ISPs move to? Cheers Ryan From: Scott Helms [mailto:khe...@zcorum.com] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 8:35 AM To: Ryan Finnesey r...@finnesey.com Cc: Gary Greene ggre...@minervanetworks.com; Shawn L sha...@up.net; nanog nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Google Apps for ISPs -- Lingering fallout Ryan, Most certainly, the charges varied some because of size and other factors but it was around 25 cents monthly per Gmail box. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 1:43 AM, Ryan Finnesey r...@finnesey.commailto:r...@finnesey.com wrote: Was Google charging ISPs for this service? Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.orgmailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Gary Greene Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:18 PM To: Shawn L sha...@up.netmailto:sha...@up.net Cc: nanog nanog@nanog.orgmailto:nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Google Apps for ISPs -- Lingering fallout You’ll need to escalate this with Google. If the front-end support team cannot help, move up the chain as far as you can. It should eventually reach the PM that worked on the turn-down of that service and get some action. -- Gary L. Greene, Jr. Sr. Systems Administrator IT Operations Minerva Networks, Inc. Cell: +1 (650) 704-6633tel:%2B1%20%28650%29%20704-6633 On Aug 18, 2015, at 10:39 AM, Shawn L sha...@up.netmailto:sha...@up.net wrote: I know there are others on this list who used Google Apps for ISPs and recently migrated off (as the service was discontinued). We have had several cases where the user had a YouTube channel or Picasa photo albums, etc. that they created with their Google Apps for ISPs credentials. Now that the service is gone, those channels and albums still exist but the users are unable to login to them or manage them in any way because it tells them that their account has been disabled. Of course, Google had been un-responsive to all of our (and the customer's) inquiries about how to fix this. Has anyone else run into this and found a way around it? thanks Shawn
Re: Data Center operations mail list?
The best course here is to completely avoid any contact with the horribly-mismanaged Amazon cloud operation until such time as those running it demonstrate a bare minimum of professionalism -- which, Seconded. At dnswl.org http://dnswl.org/, most of Amazon IP space has a pretty bad reputation (for outbound SMTP traffic). Abuse desk is unresponsive and IPs mostly lack proper rDNS which would allow to identify responsible party. Amazon may be a good choice for some people for some use cases, but outbound SMTP is not such a use case. — Matthias smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
BGP advertise-best-external on RR
Hi, I have a classic network design with 3 gateways, each receive a default route from different upstream provider. Each gateway has a BGP session with a route-reflector, which in turns reflects the best BGP route to the other PE routers in the network. The route-reflectors are running the SRE train (12.2(33)SRE1) and here exist the problem. I need to leak all the default routes (3 default routes) from the gateways into the PE routers. I have done this via bgp advertise-best-external on the gateways. So far, the default routes exist on the route-reflector, however it's suppressed as the RR will only send the best path. I have configured bgp advertise-best-external also on the RR but it didn't work, because the RR didn't see that the different default routes received are of external type. Cisco didn't state that clearly and it only stated that bgp best external feature won't work on the RR unless you get an ASR loaded with an IOS-XE 3.4 or later! Anyhow, do anyone here has a suggestion of how to get this done without replacing my RR sticking to this classical network design? Thanks. -- Mohamed Kamal Core Network Sr. Engineer
Re: BGP advertise-best-external on RR
BGP Add-Path might be your friend . You can look at diverse-path as well . Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Mohamed Kamal mka...@noor.net wrote: Hi, I have a classic network design with 3 gateways, each receive a default route from different upstream provider. Each gateway has a BGP session with a route-reflector, which in turns reflects the best BGP route to the other PE routers in the network. The route-reflectors are running the SRE train (12.2(33)SRE1) and here exist the problem. I need to leak all the default routes (3 default routes) from the gateways into the PE routers. I have done this via bgp advertise-best-external on the gateways. So far, the default routes exist on the route-reflector, however it's suppressed as the RR will only send the best path. I have configured bgp advertise-best-external also on the RR but it didn't work, because the RR didn't see that the different default routes received are of external type. Cisco didn't state that clearly and it only stated that bgp best external feature won't work on the RR unless you get an ASR loaded with an IOS-XE 3.4 or later! Anyhow, do anyone here has a suggestion of how to get this done without replacing my RR sticking to this classical network design? Thanks. -- Mohamed Kamal Core Network Sr. Engineer
Re: Quanta LB4M
Apparently the newer version of VxWorks doesn't have HTTP management. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett na...@ics-il.net Cc: NANOG nanog@nanog.org Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 3:57:44 PM Subject: Re: Quanta LB4M I noticed that one I have already has the 1.1.0.8 firmware. Upon switching to it, I noticed that I gained SSH, but lost HTTP. Has anyone else seen that? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net To: Mike Hammett na...@ics-il.net Cc: NANOG nanog@nanog.org Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 2:56:17 PM Subject: Re: Quanta LB4M On Jun 28, 2015, at 2:50 PM, Mike Hammett na...@ics-il.net wrote: Has anyone gotten a non-factory firmware to go onto these guys? There are a couple threads on Google that are inconclusive. There are rumors that it's the same as a Dell something or an HP something else, but no one has outright said, I loaded a Dell firmware onto it and solved all of the random ass bugs. I managed to brick one of these by loading the wrong firmware, or doing it at the wrong layer. I have gotten a few more and these are great switches for home or environment where you have a spare on hand. You can usually get them for around $100 on eBay. The firmware is *really* not designed for anything fancy but I’ve been able to drop in a variety of optics and have it work without issues in the 10G ports. Check the flash on them as there is a primary/secondary flash once you’re past the boot image. (Don’t try to flash it from that level, that’s how I killed it at least). I tossed a few different firmware versions I extracted here, as well as the flash0/flash1 images and the doc i found for it. http://puck.nether.net/~jared/lb4m/ - Jared
Re: BGP advertise-best-external on RR
Yes . In the case of diverse path , shadow route reflector will be the one wherever you enable commands to trigger diverse path computation. Good thing with diverse path is that the RR-Clients don't have to have any support but bad thing is that it can only reflect One additional best-path( second best path ) . Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2015, at 2:31 PM, Mohamed Kamal mka...@noor.net wrote: It's only supported on the 15.2(4)S and later not the SRE train. I might consider an upgrade. One more question regarding this, can you configure the RR to be the main and shadow RR? Mohamed Kamal Core Network Sr. Engineer On 8/24/2015 9:16 PM, Diptanshu Singh wrote: BGP Add-Path might be your friend . You can look at diverse-path as well .
Re: BGP advertise-best-external on RR
It's only supported on the 15.2(4)S and later not the SRE train. I might consider an upgrade. One more question regarding this, can you configure the RR to be the main and shadow RR? Mohamed Kamal Core Network Sr. Engineer On 8/24/2015 9:16 PM, Diptanshu Singh wrote: BGP Add-Path might be your friend . You can look at diverse-path as well .
