Re: Static IPs

2015-10-20 Thread Randy Bush 
> If not to solve problems or as a technical resource, what is the NANOG
> for?

to tell other people how to run their networks and what they should and
should not post on the list

Re: IPv6 Irony.

2015-10-20 Thread Rinse Kloek 
I bet most money is spent on hiring software developers to change/review 
all BSS/NSS systems to adopt to IPv6 ;)


Op 13-10-2015 om 13:11 schreef Paul S.:
Anyone in a network administrator position struggling with IPv6 (and 
not willing to fix that out of their own initiative) has no business 
running any network.


You should hire better staff.

On 10/13/2015 06:56 PM, Max Tulyev wrote:
On our network, we had to spent times more money in people than in 
hardware.


Customer support, especially network troubleshootings and so on...

So upgrade hardware and network admins are NOT sufficient for IPv6
adoption ;)

On 13.10.15 06:17, Ca By wrote:

On Monday, October 12, 2015, Donn Lasher  wrote:

Having just returned from NANOG65/ARIN36, and hearing about how far 
IPv6
has come.. I find my experience with  support 
today

Ironic.

Oh wait..

Hi, my name is Donn, and I’m speaking for… myself.

Irony is a cable provider, one of the largest, and earliest 
adopters of
IPv6, having ZERO IPv6 support available via phone, chat, or email. 
And

being pointed, by all of those contact methods, to a single website. A
static website. In 2015, when IPv4 is officially exhausted.

:sigh:




Tech support websites are long tail

Pragmatists are focused on getting ipv6 to the masses by default in
high traffic use cases.

Sighing about edge cases in the long tail  with ipv6 ... Not sure 
what you

expect.

caused me

outtages>

CB

Re: IMIX or similiar near-user-load packet generator

2015-10-20 Thread James Bensley 
Check out TREX;

https://github.com/cisco-system-traffic-generator/trex-core

Cheers,
James.

Re: Spamhaus contact needed

2015-10-20 Thread John Levine 
>WAIT A MINUTE!  "CBL" is not "Spamhaus", is it?!
>
>http://www.abuseat.org/

Yes, it is.  Informally it was for a very long time via the Spamhaus
XBL.  Now it's explicit.

There's not much practical difference, and the same people are running
it.

R's,
John

Re: ipv6 connectivity bugs

2015-10-20 Thread Mike 

On 10/19/2015 09:46 AM, Mark Tinka wrote:


On 19/Oct/15 18:27, Mike wrote:
  

Thats a good question. I would need to move some things around in my
network in order to test it, not sure if I have the resources at the
moment but I'll keep it in mind.

Well, the switch facing the 7201 is also an ME3600X. Meaning that you
can use EVC Xconnect on there like you did on the one facing the ASR9001.

EoMPLS on an EFP is the same as port-mode EoMPLS. So where you have the
BD for VLAN 25, consider running EoMPLS directly on that EFP instead of
on the SVI.

Mark.





For the group, I finally discovered the problem. Under the switchport 
config connected to the 7201, I had "switchport block multicast" - which 
seems to block in only 1 direction (inbound). Removing that line and all 
of a sudden ipv6 starts to work.


Thanks for the suggestions all.

Mike-

Re: IPv6 Irony.

2015-10-20 Thread Mark Andrews 

In message <56263d2f.5000...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp>, Masataka Ohta writes:
> Max Tulyev wrote:
> 
> > On our network, we had to spent times more money in people than in hardware.
> 
> Certainly.
> 
> > Customer support, especially network troubleshootings and so on...
> 
> Customer support for IPv6 costs a lot, at least because of:
> 
>1) Unnecessarily lengthy IP addresses, not recognized by most, if not
>   all, customers
> 
>2) Lack of so promised automatic renumbering

Upgrade the vendors.  Nodes already renumber themselves automatically
when a new prefix appears.

Nodes can update their addresses in the DNS if the want to securely
using DNS UPDATE and TSIG / SIG(0).  Apple does this on Darwin.
You have to supply the name and credentials (Preferences -> Sharing
Edit.  Tick "Use dynamic global hostname" and fill in the details).
Microsoft does it with DNS UPDATE and GSS-TSIG after registering
the machine in the Active Directory database.  If two vendors can
do this so can the rest.

This isn't rocket science.  Firewall vendors could supply tools to
allow nodes to update their addresses in the firewall.  They could
even co-ordinate through a standards body.  It isn't that hard to
take names, turn them into addresses and push out new firewall rules
on demand as address associated with those names change.

Similarly with everything else that takes a address.  It just
requires that you think.  "There is a address/prefix here. How do
I automatically update it."

The DNS is a pull mechanism with updates being pushed to it.  It
isn't that hard to design a generic push mechanism that applications
could hook into to receive noticed of address updates pushed to
them.

>3) So stateful SLAAC
> 
> > So upgrade hardware and network admins are NOT sufficient for IPv6
> > adoption ;)
> 
> Upgrade IETF to upgrade IPv6.
> 
>   Masataka Ohta
> 
-- 
Mark Andrews, ISC
1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: ma...@isc.org

Re: Google IMAP

2015-10-20 Thread Christopher Morrow 
Incoming settings
IMAP server: imap.gmail.com
Port: 993
Security type: SSL (always)

Outgoing settings
SMTP server: smtp.gmail.com
Port: 465
Security type: SSL (always)


;; QUESTION SECTION:
;imap.gmail.com.IN  A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
imap.gmail.com. 299 IN  CNAME   gmail-imap.l.google.com.
gmail-imap.l.google.com. 299IN  A   64.233.177.109
gmail-imap.l.google.com. 299IN  A   64.233.177.108

read the fine manual

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Nathanael Cariaga
 wrote:
> Any GMail / Google Apps guys here?  Just want to ask if there are issues
> with imap.google.com
>
>
> ; <<>> DiG 9 <<>> @localhost imap.google.com A
>  ; (1 server found)
>  ;; global options: +cmd
>  ;; Got answer:
>  ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 24131
>  ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
>
>  ;; QUESTION SECTION:
>  ;imap.google.com.  IN  A
>
>  ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
>  google.com.60  IN  SOA ns4.google.com. 
> dns-admin.google.com.
> 105915603 900 900 1800 60
>
>  ;; Query time: 16 msec
>  ;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
>  ;; WHEN: Wed Oct 21 02:53:04 2015
>  ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 83
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
>
> -nathan

Short (!) survey about internet interconnection

2015-10-20 Thread Uta Meier-Hahn 
Dear networkers in North America,

Internet interconnection is largely unregulated. However, in  some countries, 
public regulation has emerged – be it through transparency rules, mandatory 
peering or licensing terms.

Currently, we lack an overview about where regulation exists and we know little 
about how it affects internet connectivity on a global scale.

To start filling this information gap, I have set up a short survey for network 
engineers, peering coordinators and network-savvy legal staffers. The goal is 
to crowdsource an initial overview about formal regulation of internet 
interconnection around the world.

Please participate! It takes no more than 10 minutes and will serve the 
community: http://limesurvey.hiig.de/index.php/675663?lang=en 

I will publish the results under a Creative Commons license.

Also, please consider helping by forwarding the link to fellow interconnection 
professionals - think of your Facebook or LinkedIn groups, of chat channels and 
mailing lists. The more regional diversity, the better.

Thank you!

Kind regards,

Uta Meier-Hahn
PhD Candidate
Alexander von Humboldt Institute for Internet and Society
Oberwallstr. 9 | 10117 Berlin
meier-h...@hiig.de  | T +49 30 200 760-82 | 
www.hiig.de/en 


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Google IMAP

2015-10-20 Thread Nathanael Cariaga 
Any GMail / Google Apps guys here?  Just want to ask if there are issues
with imap.google.com


; <<>> DiG 9 <<>> @localhost imap.google.com A
 ; (1 server found)
 ;; global options: +cmd
 ;; Got answer:
 ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 24131
 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

 ;; QUESTION SECTION:
 ;imap.google.com.  IN  A

 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
 google.com.60  IN  SOA ns4.google.com. 
dns-admin.google.com.
105915603 900 900 1800 60

 ;; Query time: 16 msec
 ;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
 ;; WHEN: Wed Oct 21 02:53:04 2015
 ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 83




-- 
Regards,


-nathan

Re: Google IMAP

2015-10-20 Thread Jason Hellenthal 
$ dig @8.8.8.8 imap.gmail.com

; <<>> DiG 9.10.3 <<>> @8.8.8.8 imap.gmail.com
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 49149
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;imap.gmail.com.IN  A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
imap.gmail.com. 299 IN  CNAME   gmail-imap.l.google.com.
gmail-imap.l.google.com. 299IN  A   173.194.74.108
gmail-imap.l.google.com. 299IN  A   173.194.74.109

;; Query time: 28 msec
;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
;; WHEN: Wed Oct 21 01:02:22 UTC 2015
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 109


I don’t recall this ever being imap.google.com

> On Oct 20, 2015, at 19:54, Nathanael Cariaga 
>  wrote:
> 
> Any GMail / Google Apps guys here?  Just want to ask if there are issues
> with imap.google.com
> 
> 
> ; <<>> DiG 9 <<>> @localhost imap.google.com A
> ; (1 server found)
> ;; global options: +cmd
> ;; Got answer:
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 24131
> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
> 
> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;imap.google.com. IN  A
> 
> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> google.com.   60  IN  SOA ns4.google.com. 
> dns-admin.google.com.
> 105915603 900 900 1800 60
> 
> ;; Query time: 16 msec
> ;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
> ;; WHEN: Wed Oct 21 02:53:04 2015
> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 83
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> -nathan


-- 
 Jason Hellenthal
 JJH48-ARIN

Re: IMIX or similiar near-user-load packet generator

2015-10-20 Thread Eddie Tardist 
On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 1:01 AM, Stanislaw Datskevich  wrote:

> Thanks, Snabb Switch's packetblaster seems to be what I am looking for.
> My goal using it is to find out how much of real users traffic my new
> softrouter can handle until it begin doing packet drops.
>

I would recommend Trex with pkgtgen-dpdk or netmap's pkgt-gen. Have your
current router average packet size and rate and generate those patterns. If
you just use the suggested tools the traffic pattern may be different from
what you actually have.

http://trex-tgn.cisco.com
https://github.com/luigirizzo/netmap



> > Snabb Switch (https://github.com/SnabbCo/snabbswitch/)
> > Ostinato as already mentioned (http://ostinato.org/)
> >
> > - jkt
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 9:24 AM Jerry Jones  wrote:
> > > Ostinato?
> > > On Oct 19, 2015, at 4:22 AM, Stanislaw Datskevich 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all.
> > > Is there any opensource packet generator which can simulate a load
> > > closest to real users? Usually I use iperf, but it can simply
> > > generate
> > > huge load.
> > >
> > >
>

Re: Google IMAP

2015-10-20 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian 
Right now imap.gmail.com appears down for me from at least two local
networks in India, just saying

I guess that's what the original poster wanted to ask about.

On Wednesday, October 21, 2015, Jason Hellenthal 
wrote:

> $ dig @8.8.8.8 imap.gmail.com
>
> ; <<>> DiG 9.10.3 <<>> @8.8.8.8 imap.gmail.com
> ; (1 server found)
> ;; global options: +cmd
> ;; Got answer:
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 49149
> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1
>
> ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
> ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512
> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;imap.gmail.com.IN  A
>
> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
> imap.gmail.com. 299 IN  CNAME   gmail-imap.l.google.com.
> gmail-imap.l.google.com. 299IN  A   173.194.74.108
> gmail-imap.l.google.com. 299IN  A   173.194.74.109
>
> ;; Query time: 28 msec
> ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
> ;; WHEN: Wed Oct 21 01:02:22 UTC 2015
> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 109
>
>
> I don’t recall this ever being imap.google.com
>
> > On Oct 20, 2015, at 19:54, Nathanael Cariaga <
> nathanael.cari...@adec-innovations.com > wrote:
> >
> > Any GMail / Google Apps guys here?  Just want to ask if there are issues
> > with imap.google.com
> >
> >
> > ; <<>> DiG 9 <<>> @localhost imap.google.com A
> > ; (1 server found)
> > ;; global options: +cmd
> > ;; Got answer:
> > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 24131
> > ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
> >
> > ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> > ;imap.google.com. IN  A
> >
> > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> > google.com.   60  IN  SOA ns4.google.com.
> dns-admin.google.com.
> > 105915603 900 900 1800 60
> >
> > ;; Query time: 16 msec
> > ;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
> > ;; WHEN: Wed Oct 21 02:53:04 2015
> > ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 83
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > -nathan
>
>
> --
>  Jason Hellenthal
>  JJH48-ARIN
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
--srs (iPad)

Re: Google IMAP

2015-10-20 Thread Christopher Morrow 
On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:55 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
 wrote:
> Right now imap.gmail.com appears down for me from at least two local
> networks in India, just saying
>

deets or it didn't happen...

$ telnet -4 imap.gmail.com 993
Trying 173.194.219.109...
Connected to gmail-imap.l.google.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
asd
FConnection closed by foreign host.

and over 'newcoke' internet:
$ telnet imap.gmail.com 993
Trying 2607:f8b0:4002:c03::6c...
Connected to gmail-imap.l.google.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET / HTTP
Connection closed by foreign host.

it's rough troubleshooting without more details folks.

> I guess that's what the original poster wanted to ask about.
>
> On Wednesday, October 21, 2015, Jason Hellenthal 
> wrote:
>
>> $ dig @8.8.8.8 imap.gmail.com
>>
>> ; <<>> DiG 9.10.3 <<>> @8.8.8.8 imap.gmail.com
>> ; (1 server found)
>> ;; global options: +cmd
>> ;; Got answer:
>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 49149
>> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1
>>
>> ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
>> ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512
>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
>> ;imap.gmail.com.IN  A
>>
>> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
>> imap.gmail.com. 299 IN  CNAME   gmail-imap.l.google.com.
>> gmail-imap.l.google.com. 299IN  A   173.194.74.108
>> gmail-imap.l.google.com. 299IN  A   173.194.74.109
>>
>> ;; Query time: 28 msec
>> ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
>> ;; WHEN: Wed Oct 21 01:02:22 UTC 2015
>> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 109
>>
>>
>> I don’t recall this ever being imap.google.com
>>
>> > On Oct 20, 2015, at 19:54, Nathanael Cariaga <
>> nathanael.cari...@adec-innovations.com > wrote:
>> >
>> > Any GMail / Google Apps guys here?  Just want to ask if there are issues
>> > with imap.google.com
>> >
>> >
>> > ; <<>> DiG 9 <<>> @localhost imap.google.com A
>> > ; (1 server found)
>> > ;; global options: +cmd
>> > ;; Got answer:
>> > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 24131
>> > ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
>> >
>> > ;; QUESTION SECTION:
>> > ;imap.google.com. IN  A
>> >
>> > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
>> > google.com.   60  IN  SOA ns4.google.com.
>> dns-admin.google.com.
>> > 105915603 900 900 1800 60
>> >
>> > ;; Query time: 16 msec
>> > ;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
>> > ;; WHEN: Wed Oct 21 02:53:04 2015
>> > ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 83
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> >
>> > -nathan
>>
>>
>> --
>>  Jason Hellenthal
>>  JJH48-ARIN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> --srs (iPad)

Re: Google IMAP

2015-10-20 Thread Stephen Satchell 

On 10/20/2015 07:55 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:

Right now imap.gmail.com appears down for me from at least two local
networks in India, just saying

I guess that's what the original poster wanted to ask about.


From time to time, I see outages of IMAP at Google, but they don't last 
long.  I know it's Google, because I have five IMAP accounts on my local 
server (Dovecot) and I don't have any trouble with those.

Re: Short (!) survey about internet interconnection

2015-10-20 Thread Eddie Tardist 
On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 6:33 AM, Uta Meier-Hahn  wrote:

> Dear networkers in North America,
>
> Internet interconnection is largely unregulated. However, in  some
> countries, public regulation has emerged – be it through transparency
> rules, mandatory peering or licensing terms.
>
> Currently, we lack an overview about where regulation exists and we know
> little about how it affects internet connectivity on a global scale.
>
> To start filling this information gap, I have set up a short survey for
> network engineers, peering coordinators and network-savvy legal staffers.
> The goal is to crowdsource an initial overview about formal regulation of
> internet interconnection around the world.
>
> Please participate! It takes no more than 10 minutes and will serve the
> community: http://limesurvey.hiig.de/index.php/675663?lang=en <
> http://limesurvey.hiig.de/index.php/675663?lang=en>
> I will publish the results under a Creative Commons license.
>
> Also, please consider helping by forwarding the link to fellow
> interconnection professionals - think of your Facebook or LinkedIn groups,
> of chat channels and mailing lists. The more regional diversity, the better.
>

When do you plan to publish the results? Will it be just the raw results or
a study on top of (or illustrated by) it will be published?

Nice survey.


>
> Thank you!
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Uta Meier-Hahn
> PhD Candidate
> Alexander von Humboldt Institute for Internet and Society
> Oberwallstr. 9 | 10117 Berlin
> meier-h...@hiig.de  | T +49 30 200 760-82 |
> www.hiig.de/en 
>

Re: Google IMAP

2015-10-20 Thread Nathanael Cariaga 
Sorry about this... got confused earlier :/

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
  Original Message  
From: Christopher Morrow
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:02 AM
To: Suresh Ramasubramanian
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Google IMAP

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:55 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
 wrote:
> Right now imap.gmail.com appears down for me from at least two local
> networks in India, just saying
>

deets or it didn't happen...

$ telnet -4 imap.gmail.com 993
Trying 173.194.219.109...
Connected to gmail-imap.l.google.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
asd
FConnection closed by foreign host.

and over 'newcoke' internet:
$ telnet imap.gmail.com 993
Trying 2607:f8b0:4002:c03::6c...
Connected to gmail-imap.l.google.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET / HTTP
Connection closed by foreign host.

it's rough troubleshooting without more details folks.

> I guess that's what the original poster wanted to ask about.
>
> On Wednesday, October 21, 2015, Jason Hellenthal 
> wrote:
>
>> $ dig @8.8.8.8 imap.gmail.com
>>
>> ; <<>> DiG 9.10.3 <<>> @8.8.8.8 imap.gmail.com
>> ; (1 server found)
>> ;; global options: +cmd
>> ;; Got answer:
>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 49149
>> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1
>>
>> ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
>> ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512
>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
>> ;imap.gmail.com. IN A
>>
>> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
>> imap.gmail.com. 299 IN CNAME gmail-imap.l.google.com.
>> gmail-imap.l.google.com. 299 IN A 173.194.74.108
>> gmail-imap.l.google.com. 299 IN A 173.194.74.109
>>
>> ;; Query time: 28 msec
>> ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
>> ;; WHEN: Wed Oct 21 01:02:22 UTC 2015
>> ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 109
>>
>>
>> I don’t recall this ever being imap.google.com
>>
>> > On Oct 20, 2015, at 19:54, Nathanael Cariaga <
>> nathanael.cari...@adec-innovations.com > wrote:
>> >
>> > Any GMail / Google Apps guys here? Just want to ask if there are issues
>> > with imap.google.com
>> >
>> >
>> > ; <<>> DiG 9 <<>> @localhost imap.google.com A
>> > ; (1 server found)
>> > ;; global options: +cmd
>> > ;; Got answer:
>> > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 24131
>> > ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
>> >
>> > ;; QUESTION SECTION:
>> > ;imap.google.com. IN A
>> >
>> > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
>> > google.com. 60 IN SOA ns4.google.com.
>> dns-admin.google.com.
>> > 105915603 900 900 1800 60
>> >
>> > ;; Query time: 16 msec
>> > ;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
>> > ;; WHEN: Wed Oct 21 02:53:04 2015
>> > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 83
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> >
>> > -nathan
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jason Hellenthal
>> JJH48-ARIN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> --srs (iPad)

Re: IPv6 Irony.

2015-10-20 Thread Sander Steffann 
> I bet most money is spent on hiring software developers to change/review all 
> BSS/NSS systems to adopt to IPv6 ;)

You should hire a consultant who can then push the software developers to hire 
people to change/review [..etc..]  ;-)

Cheers,
Sander

Re: IPv6 Irony.

2015-10-20 Thread Masataka Ohta 
Max Tulyev wrote:

> On our network, we had to spent times more money in people than in hardware.

Certainly.

> Customer support, especially network troubleshootings and so on...

Customer support for IPv6 costs a lot, at least because of:

   1) Unnecessarily lengthy IP addresses, not recognized by most, if not
  all, customers

   2) Lack of so promised automatic renumbering

   3) So stateful SLAAC

> So upgrade hardware and network admins are NOT sufficient for IPv6
> adoption ;)

Upgrade IETF to upgrade IPv6.

Masataka Ohta