Re: Threads that never end (was: Waste will kill ipv6 too)

2017-12-30 Thread Randy Bush 
> If anyone wants to TL;DR

moe: 2^128 is effectively infinita
larry: we thought 2^32 was effectively infinite
curly: we'll never need more than 640k
thomas watson: i think there is a world market for maybe five computers

Re: Iran censorship?

2017-12-30 Thread Andy Ringsmuth 
I do remember that, and I know they’re capable of it. Was simply curious if 
anyone was aware of it actually happening (yet) this time around.


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> On Dec 30, 2017, at 10:19 PM, Matt Harris  wrote:
> 
> This is nothing new for even moderate authoritarian states (see: Egypt during 
> the 'arab spring' protests), and should be no surprise from a totalitarian 
> state such as Iran.  
> 
> We've seen Iran up to no good on a global scale in the past, too, far beyond 
> what's being suggested here: 
> https://dyn.com/blog/iran-leaks-censorship-via-bgp-hijacks/
> So we know that they have national censorship in place.  
> 
> Are you looking for anything more specific here?  
> 
> 
> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 9:57 PM, Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:
> Thought this might be a welcome change from the IPv6 waste discussion and 
> meta-discussion.
> 
> Seeing a few references in the news to Iran possibly cutting off Internet (at 
> least on mobile devices) in light of significant protests around the country:
> 
> https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-warns-against-illegal-gatherings-protests-112847988.html
> 
> Was curious if anyone “in the know” has anything to back it up, etc.
> 
> 
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Iran censorship?

2017-12-30 Thread Andy Ringsmuth 
Thought this might be a welcome change from the IPv6 waste discussion and 
meta-discussion.

Seeing a few references in the news to Iran possibly cutting off Internet (at 
least on mobile devices) in light of significant protests around the country:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-warns-against-illegal-gatherings-protests-112847988.html

Was curious if anyone “in the know” has anything to back it up, etc.



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2201 Winthrop Rd., Lincoln, NE 68502-4158
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Re: Threads that never end

2017-12-30 Thread Large Hadron Collider 
I haven't even ... This thread's going to turn into another thread that 
never ends.


On 30/12/2017 15:39, sizone!math wrote:

On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 06:42:46AM -0800, Stephen Satchell said:
   > On 12/29/2017 09:05 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
   > >the good thing about these long threads, which have ZERO new
   > >information, is having a KillThread command in one's mail user agent.
   > >get a life!
   >
   >I no longer use KillThread.  Instead, I sort my inbox by subject, and use
   >the Delete key liberally.  NANOG is by no means my first mailing list where
   >religious wars have broken out.  (*cough* Linux kernel list)   :)

I used to gate mailing lists into cnews, and then just use tin with
well-developed killfiles. Been a while though since I've touched a news system
at all. (long live sizone.uucp! :) Unfortunately I haven't gotten mutt to the
tin level (though collapsing threads makes reading the index easier..).
(Ctrl-D to kill an entire thread in mutt btw.)

Congrats on the record breaking thread! If anyone wants to TL;DR Im mildly
interested in the results of this 'wisdom of the cloud' brainstorm. Certainly
ipv6 is well solved by now.

Happy Brave New ipv6 Year!

/kc
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Ken Chase - uunet.ca!{ryelect,zeibmef,pci,jaywon,robohack}!sizone!math

Re: Threads that never end (was: Waste will kill ipv6 too)

2017-12-30 Thread sizone!math 
On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 06:42:46AM -0800, Stephen Satchell said:
  > On 12/29/2017 09:05 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
  > >the good thing about these long threads, which have ZERO new
  > >information, is having a KillThread command in one's mail user agent.
  > >get a life!
  >
  >I no longer use KillThread.  Instead, I sort my inbox by subject, and use
  >the Delete key liberally.  NANOG is by no means my first mailing list where
  >religious wars have broken out.  (*cough* Linux kernel list)   :)

I used to gate mailing lists into cnews, and then just use tin with
well-developed killfiles. Been a while though since I've touched a news system
at all. (long live sizone.uucp! :) Unfortunately I haven't gotten mutt to the
tin level (though collapsing threads makes reading the index easier..).
(Ctrl-D to kill an entire thread in mutt btw.)

Congrats on the record breaking thread! If anyone wants to TL;DR Im mildly
interested in the results of this 'wisdom of the cloud' brainstorm. Certainly
ipv6 is well solved by now.

Happy Brave New ipv6 Year!

/kc
--
Ken Chase - uunet.ca!{ryelect,zeibmef,pci,jaywon,robohack}!sizone!math

Re: Wi-Fi Analyzer

2017-12-30 Thread Bryan Holloway 

Thanks for all of the great suggestions, both on- and off-list!!

Cheers and Happy New Year, everyone.


On 12/29/17 1:16 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

In addition to the other tools already recommended by previous posters, I
recommend buying one of these:

https://www.ubnt.com/airmax/nanobeam-ac-gen2/

It's a directional antenna/radio integrated unit and is intended as a point
to point or point-to-multipoint WISP client radio. The one feature you can
get from it very cheaply is a directional, 2x2 MIMO 5.x GHz band spectrum
analyzer that sees things *which are not 802.11 or wifi based.*

The airview spectrum analyzer tool built into it looks like this:
https://www.google.com/search?q=ubiquiti+airview=100=lnms=isch=X=0ahUKEwj0gtLI9q_YAhUC62MKHbZoAogQ_AUICygC=1744=994=1.1

Highly useful for tracking down a specific source of non-wifi 5 GHz band
interference. There's all sorts of random consumer grade things people can
buy and introduce into an environment which do not broadcast MAC addresses
or SSIDs, and do not show up on purely 802.11(abgn/ac) based tools.

It will of course also see hidden SSIDs and standard+non-standard
802.11abgn(ac) emitters.

There are also 2.4 GHz versions of similar products which will let you find
non-802.11 emitters in the 2300 to 2500 MHz band. At $79 a lot less
expensive than a "real" spectrum analyzer.

You can get DC PoE injectors for them which will connect to a Makita drill
battery if you want to make it portable and wander around with a laptop.


On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 7:17 AM, Bryan Holloway  wrote:


Curious if the community has any recommendations and/or positive
experiences to share for a handheld Wi-Fi (802.11a/b/g/n/ac) analyzer.

Software/laptop-based solutions can be unwieldy in certain environments.
However, given rave reviews, I'm open to the idea as long as it's
Mac-compatible.

Should be able to show detailed spectra, help locate sources of
interference, have mapping capabilities, etc.

Thanks!

Threads that never end (was: Waste will kill ipv6 too)

2017-12-30 Thread Stephen Satchell 

On 12/29/2017 09:05 PM, Randy Bush wrote:

the good thing about these long threads, which have ZERO new
information, is having a KillThread command in one's mail user agent.
get a life!


I no longer use KillThread.  Instead, I sort my inbox by subject, and 
use the Delete key liberally.  NANOG is by no means my first mailing 
list where religious wars have broken out.  (*cough* Linux kernel list)   :)

Re: Waste will kill ipv6 too

2017-12-30 Thread Baldur Norddahl 



Den 30/12/2017 kl. 03.30 skrev Scott Weeks:


--- baldur.nordd...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Baldur Norddahl 

Nobody needs to worry...Historically we spent...
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Out of context, but yeah that.

scott


Not to worry, I thought about what to do if we run out of space. I will 
reserve my last /32 and sell sub allocations from that. Should that run 
out, I will reserve my last /64 out of my last /32 and sell /96 sub 
allocations from that. Just to be safe, I will also reserve the last /96 
out of my last /64, so I can sell /128 from that.


Every single network has enough address space to keep us going forever. 
It is not possible to "run out" of IPv6 address space like what happened 
to IPv4.


Can we keep using the liberal allocation policy forever? Maybe not. But 
then we can simply switch to a more restrictive policy. Someone (or 
everyone) has enough space to sub allocate using this more restrictive 
policy forever.


Does it make sense to switch to a more restrictive policy NOW? No why 
would we? Just so they can switch to the liberal policy sometime in the 
future? It is not so we can keep going with a restrictive policy 
forever, because that will always be an option, no matter what we do now.


Regards,

Baldur