Re: Brocade SLX Internet Edge

[Daniel Corbe]

I’m just going to echo what a few others have been saying.  Brocade (now  
Extreme) have come a long way since the Foundry days; and the SLX isn’t  
based on the old Netiron code.   The platform is a completely different  
animal.


I’ve been a happy Brocade customer for a while now.

Re: Brocade SLX Internet Edge

[Julien Goodwin]

On 01/11/18 09:55, Brandon Martin wrote:
> On 10/31/18 6:37 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>> If you buy brocade, be sure to also by a license for securecrt so that
>> backspace works over ssh...
>> also, just don't do brocade... ever.
> 
> Works fine for me using OpenSSH in most Linux-y terminal emulators
> (Konsole, Linux console, Gnome terminal).  I didn't do any special
> configuration.
> 
> Now, over serial, enjoy your ctrl-H unless you do some remapping.

Yep, they fixed backspace via SSH (at least for MLX) a few years ago.
Sad that they didn't fix the console ports at the same time.

Re: Brocade SLX Internet Edge

[Brandon Martin]

On 10/31/18 6:37 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
If you buy brocade, be sure to also by a license for securecrt so that 
backspace works over ssh...

also, just don't do brocade... ever.


Works fine for me using OpenSSH in most Linux-y terminal emulators 
(Konsole, Linux console, Gnome terminal).  I didn't do any special 
configuration.


Now, over serial, enjoy your ctrl-H unless you do some remapping.

I've never had any real problems with the hardware.  The software can 
leave something to be desired especially on the old Foundry stuff that 
can't run the modern software, but if you just want it to push packets 
all day long, they seem to be pretty stable.


Only bug I've been bitten with recently is apparent CAM corruption when 
manipulating large ACLs, but that was on the old (EOL) FCX platform. 
It's stable as long as you don't CHANGE things, and networks never 
change, right? (/s)


Netiron seems to be more stable but definitely lacking control plane 
features, especially for MPLS, including some major ones that I gather 
the big C and J have had available for quite a while.


I'm curious how things will diverge now that the "switching" line is at 
Ruckus/Arris while the "routing" line is at Extreme.  I can't say I was 
ever a fan of Extreme's software, either, and I don't really have enough 
experience with Arris gear to comment.


Certainly like any vendor's box, know what you're getting.  It's a 
packet pusher.


On a similar/related topic, has anyone used the Juniper MX204?  It seems 
to occupy roughly the same space as the SLX9540.  Less bandwidth, but 
JunOS is presumably more fully featured in terms of Internet-scale stuff 
one might want.

--
Brandon Martin

Re: Brocade SLX Internet Edge

[Brandon Martin]

On 10/31/18 6:30 PM, Ryan Hamel wrote:

140K IPv6 equates to about 560K IPv4 routes, leaving the end user with 940K 
IPv4, which is not a lot of ceiling space considering we're at 741K IPv4 + and 
60K IPv6 (240k IPv4 equivalent) now (941K total). This will leave you with 
559K. I am not sure what the OP has for peering but with trying to keep 20% of 
TCAM space free, and keeping up with the current rate of rise according to 
CIDR-report, I'd say 4 years product lifetime if the OS has excellent TCAM 
management.


I'm actually in the process of spec'ing one of these (if indeed it's 
appropriate) for a limited full-Internet-routes application and indeed 
these are the questions I've been asking of my rep.


On "classic Netiron" (MLX, etc.) the numbers they often quoted were 
actually somewhat pessimistic in that they were one of their stock TCAM 
profiles, and you actually ended up with BOTH the IPv4 and IPv6 route 
counts simultaneously.




Considering how the device looks like a switch and the SLX9850 uses Broadcom 
sillicon, I'm thinking it must use the Jericho chipset or some variant to get 
that kind of performance. In the end, your mileage may vary.


I want to say it's a Qumran.  They apparently have a bigger SLX pizzabox 
in the works that claims 4M IPv4 FIB and some stupid amount of buffering 
(8GB IIRC?).  I know that's a Qumran, but that also seems like a truly 
huge amount of TCAM, so I dunno if that's with "typical aggregation" or 
some other shady trick.

--
Brandon Martin

RE: Brocade SLX Internet Edge

[Ryan Hamel]

+1 SecureCRT in general, and don’t buy Brocade,

I was happy when I got to pull out the last Foundry.

--
Ryan Hamel
Network Engineer
ryan.ha...@quadranet.com | +1 (888) 578-2372 
x201
QuadraNet Enterprises, LLC. | Dedicated Servers, Colocation, Cloud

From: Christopher Morrow [mailto:morrowc.li...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 3:38 PM
To: Ryan Hamel 
Cc: lists.na...@monmotha.net; nanog list 
Subject: Re: Brocade SLX Internet Edge

If you buy brocade, be sure to also by a license for securecrt so that 
backspace works over ssh...
also, just don't do brocade... ever.

On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 9:31 AM Ryan Hamel 
mailto:ryan.ha...@quadranet.com>> wrote:
140K IPv6 equates to about 560K IPv4 routes, leaving the end user with 940K 
IPv4, which is not a lot of ceiling space considering we're at 741K IPv4 + and 
60K IPv6 (240k IPv4 equivalent) now (941K total). This will leave you with 
559K. I am not sure what the OP has for peering but with trying to keep 20% of 
TCAM space free, and keeping up with the current rate of rise according to 
CIDR-report, I'd say 4 years product lifetime if the OS has excellent TCAM 
management.

Considering how the device looks like a switch and the SLX9850 uses Broadcom 
sillicon, I'm thinking it must use the Jericho chipset or some variant to get 
that kind of performance. In the end, your mileage may vary.

--
Ryan Hamel
Network Engineer
ryan.ha...@quadranet.com | +1 (888) 578-2372 
x201
QuadraNet Enterprises, LLC. | Dedicated Servers, Colocation, Cloud

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On 
Behalf Of Brandon Martin
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 3:08 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Brocade SLX Internet Edge

On 10/31/18 4:56 PM, Aaron wrote:
> It won't hold a full table. 256,000 IPv4 and 64,000 IPv6 routes.

That was changed earlier this year AFAIK.  The website was slow to get updated 
but has been updated now.  Current claim is 1.5M IPv4 and 140k IPv6.  You need 
the "advanced feature license" to get access to that.
--
Brandon Martin

Re: Brocade SLX Internet Edge

[Christopher Morrow]

If you buy brocade, be sure to also by a license for securecrt so that
backspace works over ssh...
also, just don't do brocade... ever.

On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 9:31 AM Ryan Hamel  wrote:

> 140K IPv6 equates to about 560K IPv4 routes, leaving the end user with
> 940K IPv4, which is not a lot of ceiling space considering we're at 741K
> IPv4 + and 60K IPv6 (240k IPv4 equivalent) now (941K total). This will
> leave you with 559K. I am not sure what the OP has for peering but with
> trying to keep 20% of TCAM space free, and keeping up with the current rate
> of rise according to CIDR-report, I'd say 4 years product lifetime if the
> OS has excellent TCAM management.
>
> Considering how the device looks like a switch and the SLX9850 uses
> Broadcom sillicon, I'm thinking it must use the Jericho chipset or some
> variant to get that kind of performance. In the end, your mileage may vary.
>
> --
> Ryan Hamel
> Network Engineer
> ryan.ha...@quadranet.com | +1 (888) 578-2372 x201
> QuadraNet Enterprises, LLC. | Dedicated Servers, Colocation, Cloud
>
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Martin
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 3:08 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Brocade SLX Internet Edge
>
> On 10/31/18 4:56 PM, Aaron wrote:
> > It won't hold a full table. 256,000 IPv4 and 64,000 IPv6 routes.
>
> That was changed earlier this year AFAIK.  The website was slow to get
> updated but has been updated now.  Current claim is 1.5M IPv4 and 140k
> IPv6.  You need the "advanced feature license" to get access to that.
> --
> Brandon Martin
>
>

RE: Brocade SLX Internet Edge

[Ryan Hamel]

140K IPv6 equates to about 560K IPv4 routes, leaving the end user with 940K 
IPv4, which is not a lot of ceiling space considering we're at 741K IPv4 + and 
60K IPv6 (240k IPv4 equivalent) now (941K total). This will leave you with 
559K. I am not sure what the OP has for peering but with trying to keep 20% of 
TCAM space free, and keeping up with the current rate of rise according to 
CIDR-report, I'd say 4 years product lifetime if the OS has excellent TCAM 
management.

Considering how the device looks like a switch and the SLX9850 uses Broadcom 
sillicon, I'm thinking it must use the Jericho chipset or some variant to get 
that kind of performance. In the end, your mileage may vary.

-- 
Ryan Hamel
Network Engineer
ryan.ha...@quadranet.com | +1 (888) 578-2372 x201
QuadraNet Enterprises, LLC. | Dedicated Servers, Colocation, Cloud

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Martin
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 3:08 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Brocade SLX Internet Edge

On 10/31/18 4:56 PM, Aaron wrote:
> It won't hold a full table. 256,000 IPv4 and 64,000 IPv6 routes.

That was changed earlier this year AFAIK.  The website was slow to get updated 
but has been updated now.  Current claim is 1.5M IPv4 and 140k IPv6.  You need 
the "advanced feature license" to get access to that.
--
Brandon Martin

Re: Brocade SLX Internet Edge

[Brandon Martin]

On 10/31/18 4:56 PM, Aaron wrote:

It won't hold a full table. 256,000 IPv4 and 64,000 IPv6 routes.


That was changed earlier this year AFAIK.  The website was slow to get 
updated but has been updated now.  Current claim is 1.5M IPv4 and 140k 
IPv6.  You need the "advanced feature license" to get access to that.

--
Brandon Martin

Re: Brocade SLX Internet Edge

[Ben Cannon]

That won’t hold a full table - so performance isn’t relevant.

-Ben

> On Oct 31, 2018, at 1:01 PM, Kevin Burke  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have any success with the Brocade SLX 9540 or similar?  Its going 
> to be taking full BGP tables from two Tier1's and some peering.  
> 
> The specs and sales rep says its fine, but the price makes me think its too 
> good to be true.  
> 
> We are trying to shepherd an old Cat 6509 out of our core.  
> 
> 
> Kevin Burke
> 802-540-0979
> Burlington Telecom - City of Burlington
> 200 Church St, Burlington, VT 05401

NANOG 75 Call for Presentations is open

[Ryan Woolley]

NANOG Community,

The NANOG Program Committee (PC) is excited to announce that we are
now accepting proposals for all sessions at NANOG 75 in San Francisco,
California, February 18-20, 2019.  Below is a summary of key details
and dates from the Call For Presentations on the NANOG website, which
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The NANOG PC seeks proposals for presentations, panels, tutorials, and
track sessions for the NANOG 75 program. We welcome suggestions of
speakers or topic ideas. Presentations may cover current technologies
already deployed or soon-to-be deployed in the Internet. Vendors are
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proprietary solutions.  NANOG 75 submissions can be entered on the
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The primary speaker, moderator, or author should submit a presentation
proposal and an abstract in the PC Tool.
-- Select “Propose Talk” from the Talks menu
-- Select NANOG 75 from the Meeting menu
-- Select the appropriate *Session* the talk will be presented in
= General Session (30-45 minutes)
= Tutorial (90-120 minutes)
= Track (90-120 minutes)

Timeline for submission and proposal review:
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If you think you have an interesting topic but want feedback or
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Key Dates for NANOG 75:

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Jan. 14, 2019: CFP Topic List & NANOG Meeting Highlights Page
Jan. 22, 2019: NANOG 75 Agenda Published
Feb. 11, 2019: Speaker FINAL presentations to PC tool or speaker-support
Feb. 17, 2019: Lightning Talk Submissions Open (Abstracts Only)
Feb. 17, 2019: Onsite Registration

Final slides MUST be submitted by Monday, February 11, 2018, and no
changes will be accepted between that date and the conference.
Materials received after that date will be updated on the web site
after the completion of the conference.

We look forward to seeing you in February in San Francisco!

Sincerely,

Ryan Woolley
NANOG PC

[NANOG-announce] NANOG 75 Call for Presentations is open

[Ryan Woolley]

NANOG Community,

The NANOG Program Committee (PC) is excited to announce that we are now
accepting proposals for all sessions at NANOG 75 in San Francisco,
California, February 18-20, 2019.  Below is a summary of key details and
dates from the Call For Presentations on the NANOG website, which can be
found at http://www.cvent.com/d/1bqspy/6K

The NANOG PC seeks proposals for presentations, panels, tutorials, and
track sessions for the NANOG 75 program. We welcome suggestions of speakers
or topic ideas. Presentations may cover current technologies already
deployed or soon-to-be deployed in the Internet. Vendors are welcome to
submit talks which cover relevant technologies and capabilities, but
presentations must not be promotional or discuss proprietary solutions.
NANOG 75 submissions can be entered on the NANOG Program Committee Tool (PC
Tool) at: https://pc.nanog.org

The primary speaker, moderator, or author should submit a presentation
proposal and an abstract in the PC Tool.
-- Select “Propose Talk” from the Talks menu
-- Select NANOG 75 from the Meeting menu
-- Select the appropriate *Session* the talk will be presented in
= General Session (30-45 minutes)
= Tutorial (90-120 minutes)
= Track (90-120 minutes)

Timeline for submission and proposal review:
-- Submitter enters abstract (and draft slides if possible) in PC Tool
prior to deadline for slide submission
-- PC performs initial review and assigns a “shepherd” to help develop the
submission - within 2 weeks
-- Submitter develops draft slides of talk if not already submitted with
initial proposal. Please submit initial draft slides early
-- Panel and Track submissions should provide topic list and
intended/confirmed participants in the abstract
-- PC reviews slides and continues to work with Submitter as needed to
develop topic
-- Draft presentation slides should be submitted prior to published
deadline for slides
-- PC accepts or declines submission
-- Agenda assembled and posted
-- Submitters notified

If you think you have an interesting topic but want feedback or suggestions
for developing an idea into a presentation, please email the Program
Committee, and a representative will respond.  Otherwise, submit your talk,
keynote, track, or panel proposal to the PC Tool without delay!  We look
forward to reviewing your submission.

Key Dates for NANOG 75:

Oct. 29, 2018: CFP Opens & Agenda Outline Posted
Dec. 03, 2018: CFP Deadline: Presentation Slides Due
Jan. 14, 2019: CFP Topic List & NANOG Meeting Highlights Page
Jan. 22, 2019: NANOG 75 Agenda Published
Feb. 11, 2019: Speaker FINAL presentations to PC tool or speaker-support
Feb. 17, 2019: Lightning Talk Submissions Open (Abstracts Only)
Feb. 17, 2019: Onsite Registration

Final slides MUST be submitted by Monday, February 11, 2018, and no changes
will be accepted between that date and the conference.  Materials received
after that date will be updated on the web site after the completion of the
conference.

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Re: Brocade SLX Internet Edge

[Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr]

Last I heard (before switching shops), not yet it won’t.

Best regards.



> Le 31 oct. 2018 à 21:56, Aaron  a écrit :
> 
> It won't hold a full table. 256,000 IPv4 and 64,000 IPv6 routes.
> 
> 
>> On 10/31/2018 3:01 PM, Kevin Burke wrote:
>> Does anyone have any success with the Brocade SLX 9540 or similar?  Its 
>> going to be taking full BGP tables from two Tier1's and some peering.
>> 
>> The specs and sales rep says its fine, but the price makes me think its too 
>> good to be true.
>> 
>> We are trying to shepherd an old Cat 6509 out of our core.
>> 
>> 
>> Kevin Burke
>> 802-540-0979
>> Burlington Telecom - City of Burlington
>> 200 Church St, Burlington, VT 05401
>> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Aaron Wendel
> Chief Technical Officer
> Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097)
> (816)550-9030
> http://www.wholesaleinternet.com
> 
> 

Re: Brocade SLX Internet Edge

[Aaron]

It won't hold a full table. 256,000 IPv4 and 64,000 IPv6 routes.


On 10/31/2018 3:01 PM, Kevin Burke wrote:

Does anyone have any success with the Brocade SLX 9540 or similar?  Its going 
to be taking full BGP tables from two Tier1's and some peering.

The specs and sales rep says its fine, but the price makes me think its too 
good to be true.

We are trying to shepherd an old Cat 6509 out of our core.


Kevin Burke
802-540-0979
Burlington Telecom - City of Burlington
200 Church St, Burlington, VT 05401



--

Aaron Wendel
Chief Technical Officer
Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097)
(816)550-9030
http://www.wholesaleinternet.com

Brocade SLX Internet Edge

[Kevin Burke]

Does anyone have any success with the Brocade SLX 9540 or similar?  Its going 
to be taking full BGP tables from two Tier1's and some peering.  

The specs and sales rep says its fine, but the price makes me think its too 
good to be true.  

We are trying to shepherd an old Cat 6509 out of our core.  


Kevin Burke
802-540-0979
Burlington Telecom - City of Burlington
200 Church St, Burlington, VT 05401

Re: Network Atlas : Help wanted

[Mehmet Akcin]

There were many requests for screenshots and I wanted to share it with
everyone here.

thank you everyone for all suggestions and help.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1JsV7QRaWkzj9W3oEwJe7Qm-vqwXjOdu3



On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:44 PM Mehmet Akcin  wrote:

> Hello there,
>
> I wanted to give you all an update on Network Atlas
> http://www.networkatlas.org as we started loading terrestrial links to
> our system, we have ran into some scale issues but we are working thru this
> as we speak.
>
> We are currently looking for people who can help with providing us KMZs
> which are publicly available for as many as terrestrial routes possible for
> us to stress test our newly designed more scalable backend.
>
> If you are able to assist please visit our GitHub repository
> https://github.com/networkatlas/v1/tree/master/Routes and feel free to
> send me links of the KMZs and I will put them all in this repository for
> others to easily access and use.
>
> We also have a slack channel if you are interested in joining you can
> click here https://join.slack
> .com/t/kapany/shared_invite/enQtNDQ1NTkxMzI0NjEyLWUzYWM3YjBjODJmNmYzMjYwZmM4MzFlZjg2MWNjMDUzZGZjMzViNDk0Njc1OTViZmNhMWIxZThiNDBkNWU0YTA
>
> if you want to contribute to project in any other way (hosting, software
> development, etc.. please contact me directly..)
>
> thank you everyone and we look forward to making our next update in
> upcoming weeks.
>
> Mehmet
>

Re: CLS to CLS Latency info

[Mehmet Akcin]

We are going to be making the data available soon at www.networkatlas.org -
we are going to be able to make it so people can self upload/manage the
information so we are able to crowdsource the info.

here is the latest screenshots from networkatlas ;)

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1JsV7QRaWkzj9W3oEwJe7Qm-vqwXjOdu3?usp=sharing


if anyone wants to demo the beta, please let me know and i can share the
link privately (i am trying to not do it here because it's running on a
small infrastructure now and don't want to crash it;)

On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 7:30 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> The speed of light through fiber is about 2/3 the speed of light through a
> vacuum. This is why HFT prefers microwave over fiber when it comes to
> latency.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Ben Cannon" 
> *To: *"Mehmet Akcin" 
> *Cc: *"nanog" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:59:48 AM
> *Subject: *Re: CLS to CLS Latency info
>
> I’d be astonished if they varied much from lightspeed.
>
> -Ben
>
> On Oct 29, 2018, at 8:11 PM, Mehmet Akcin  wrote:
>
> Hello there
>
> I have been searching for CLS (Cable Landing Station) to CLS latency
> infirnation for submarine cables. I was able to identify only a handful of
> them via sales catalogs. I am still missing like 320~ systems, does wnyone
> have this info available?
>
> If i can’t find the data, i am going to formulate from lentgh of fiber
> diveded by speed of light on fibre (~ +\- resistance) but I really would
> prefer actual ping ;)
>
> This is for www.networkatlas.org project. Thank you in advance!
>
> Mehmet
> --
> Mehmet
> +1-424-298-1903
>
>
>