Re: Reminiscing our first internet connections (WAS) Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

[nanog08]

Speaking of dial up...

I remember on a trip I got the hotel sometime after 2am (bad weather, 
bad flight). I was trying to dial out from hotel - 9 to get an outside 
line, then "pause" and then 1 for long distance and 202 for the area code.


I mistyped the phone number or something, and I was not getting 
connected but kept trying.  There was a knock at the door and "Police, 
everything ok".


I answered and explained that I guess I had mistakenly dialed 911. They 
did check the room and then left.


I gave up, went to bed, muttering that my email would just have to wait.

Geoff



On 2/17/20 5:41 PM, Mike Lyon wrote:

Then call waiting came out and would disconnect the session sometimes. That 
sucked ass.


On Feb 17, 2020, at 16:37, Scott Weeks  wrote:



I can't help myself... :)



My mother in the 1980s: "no one can ever call us because the phone line is always 
busy"

Me with an Osborne 1 and a 300 baud modem:  "We need a second phone line!"
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_1)

My mother: "That's too expensive.  Quit clogging up the phone line with that 
toy!"

Me: 
"Ok...Pshhhkk​kakingkakingkakingtsh​chchchchchchchcch​*ding*ding*ding*" 
  (*)



I never would've guessed in those days that it would provide me an entire 
professional career.

scott



(*) I copied 
Pshhhkk​kakingkakingkakingtsh​chchchchchchchcch​*ding*ding*ding*
from a website as I could not spell that.

Re: Reminiscing our first internet connections (WAS) Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

[Mike Lyon]

Then call waiting came out and would disconnect the session sometimes. That 
sucked ass.

> On Feb 17, 2020, at 16:37, Scott Weeks  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I can't help myself... :)
> 
> 
> 
> My mother in the 1980s: "no one can ever call us because the phone line is 
> always busy"
> 
> Me with an Osborne 1 and a 300 baud modem:  "We need a second phone line!"  
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_1)
> 
> My mother: "That's too expensive.  Quit clogging up the phone line with that 
> toy!"
> 
> Me: 
> "Ok...Pshhhkk​kakingkakingkakingtsh​chchchchchchchcch​*ding*ding*ding*"
>(*)
> 
> 
> 
> I never would've guessed in those days that it would provide me an entire 
> professional career.
> 
> scott
> 
> 
> 
> (*) I copied 
> Pshhhkk​kakingkakingkakingtsh​chchchchchchchcch​*ding*ding*ding*
> from a website as I could not spell that.

Re: Reminiscing our first internet connections (WAS) Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

[Scott Weeks]

I can't help myself... :)



My mother in the 1980s: "no one can ever call us because the phone line is 
always busy"

Me with an Osborne 1 and a 300 baud modem:  "We need a second phone line!"  
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_1)

My mother: "That's too expensive.  Quit clogging up the phone line with that 
toy!"

Me: 
"Ok...Pshhhkk​kakingkakingkakingtsh​chchchchchchchcch​*ding*ding*ding*" 
  (*)



I never would've guessed in those days that it would provide me an entire 
professional career.

scott



(*) I copied 
Pshhhkk​kakingkakingkakingtsh​chchchchchchchcch​*ding*ding*ding*
from a website as I could not spell that.

Re: Reminiscing our first internet connections (WAS) Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

[Ben Cannon]

First non-POTS was an Ascend Pipeline 50.  I may even still have it somewhere.

-Ben Cannon
CEO 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
b...@6by7.net 




> On Feb 17, 2020, at 12:07 PM, Brian  wrote:
> 
>> On Feb 17, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Gene LeDuc  wrote:
> 
> Does this thread make me not only think about the days of old, but also
> makes me feel older! Not going back as far as some here but around
> 1993ish...
> 
> My first connection back in the day was a shell account I was given as
> consultant and reseller for what was TIAC (then became PSI). I was also
> at the time running a 6 line MajorBBS system (prior to WorldGroup). TIAC
> allowed multiple concurrent logins to the shell so I purchased the
> MajorBBS dialout module and had it login to my shell account which my
> cosysop crafted a nice menu for basic feature usage such as
> ftp/lynx/irc/etc. Users could then use my dialout feature into my shell
> and do what they were looking to do. 
> 
> Being somewhat out in the sticks and having a decent dial area coverage
> it in a sense allowed me to become my local region's first ISP of sorts.
> It was a hack but it worked and users were more than happy since for
> many even dialing up to AOL or Compuserve was a toll call then.
> 
> -- 
> If Confucius were alive today:
> "A computing device left in the OFF power state never crashes" 
> -
> 73 de Brian N1URO
> IPv6 Certified
> SMTP: n1uro-at-n1uro.ampr.org
> 
> 

Re: Reminiscing our first internet connections (WAS) Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

[Brian]

> On Feb 17, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Gene LeDuc  wrote:

Does this thread make me not only think about the days of old, but also
makes me feel older! Not going back as far as some here but around
1993ish...

My first connection back in the day was a shell account I was given as
consultant and reseller for what was TIAC (then became PSI). I was also
at the time running a 6 line MajorBBS system (prior to WorldGroup). TIAC
allowed multiple concurrent logins to the shell so I purchased the
MajorBBS dialout module and had it login to my shell account which my
cosysop crafted a nice menu for basic feature usage such as
ftp/lynx/irc/etc. Users could then use my dialout feature into my shell
and do what they were looking to do. 

Being somewhat out in the sticks and having a decent dial area coverage
it in a sense allowed me to become my local region's first ISP of sorts.
It was a hack but it worked and users were more than happy since for
many even dialing up to AOL or Compuserve was a toll call then.

-- 
If Confucius were alive today:
"A computing device left in the OFF power state never crashes" 
-
73 de Brian N1URO
IPv6 Certified
SMTP: n1uro-at-n1uro.ampr.org

Re: Reminiscing our first internet connections (WAS) Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

[Mark Tinka]

On 17/Feb/20 22:43, Clayton Zekelman wrote:
>
> A PRI was and still is 23B+D, not 24 2B+D lines.

In Africa (and much of Europe and Asia, I believe), our PRI's were E1's,
which was 30B+2D (CCS and CAS protocols), for a total carriage bandwidth
of 2.048Mbps.

For E1, timeslot 0 is used for clocking and synchronization and is not
considered either a B- or D-channel. Timeslot 16 is used for the
D-channel (which I believe is timeslot 24 for a T1).

In E1, the D-channels can be configured differently depending on which
protocol is in use. For example, if you are using SS7 for an E1 PRI, you
can have 31B+1D, which means timeslot 16 is not used for signaling.

Mark.

Re: Reminiscing our first internet connections (WAS) Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

[Clayton Zekelman]

A PRI was and still is 23B+D, not 24 2B+D lines.

23B+D (ISDN PRI or Primary Rate Interface) is  23x64 kbps bearer 
channels and a 64 kbps Delta channel carried on a B8ZS T1


You could carry additional groups of 24 B channels using NFAS, or 
Non-Facility Associated Signalling where the D channel on the first 
PRI carried the call setup and teardown information for the 
additional B channels on up to 20 PRI circuits.


2B+D (ISDN BRI or Basic Rate Interface) 2x64 kbps bearer channels and 
a 16 kbps Delta channel carried on an 144 kbps 2B1Q U interface.


At 02:58 PM 27/01/2020, b...@theworld.com wrote:

FWIW bulk dial-up lines were often brought in as PRIs which were 24
ISDN 2B+D lines on basically a T1 (1.544mbps) and then you could break
those out to serial lines.

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Reminiscing our first internet connections (WAS) Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

[Paul Ebersman]

gleduc> I remember that TI luggable - that sucker weighed a ton!

U of I used those in the libraries. I remember looking up books for
inter-library/lincoln trail and handing the printout to
students. Problem was that clay or whatever it was that made the paper
worked didn't last for more than a month or two before it faded to
illegible, as many grad students found out...

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Reminiscing our first internet connections (WAS) Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

[Gene LeDuc]

I remember that TI luggable - that sucker weighed a ton!  I dragged it 
from the lab to my dorm a few times to log in remotely, but carrying it 
on a bicycle was a dicey deal and I got over the novelty pretty quickly. 
 I'd forgotten who made it until you mentioned it - good memories!


Gene

On 2/17/20 11:34 AM, nano...@mulligan.org wrote:
Back in 1973 I was hired by Tymshare to "hack" Tymnet and some of the 
various systems (XDS 940, PDP-10s) - I was 15.  Tymshare provided me 
with a Teletype ASR-33 (with the built in tape punch and reader).  I had 
an AJ 300 baud acoustic coupler.  We had a second phone line installed, 
'cause my dad was tired of picking up the phone and hearing tones.  I 
ended up rewiring the house phones so I could put the terminal in my room.


When I went to the Pentagon in '79 I was in charge of PENT-TIP and got 
to take home and travel with a TI Silent700 with a built in acoustic 
coupler.  We had a bank of 300/1200 baud modems on PENT-TIP.  Our IMP 
was connected to the Arpanet via a 56K modem that was the size of 5 foot 
tall 19" rack!  Back in those days it seems TIP phone numbers were 
closely guarded treasure.


I still remember when I got an LS ADM-3A (no more finding rolls of 
thermal paper). I still have it, though I don't know why...


Geoff

On 2/17/20 11:20 AM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote:



On Feb 17, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Gene LeDuc  wrote:

I was a student worker at a computer lab at USC in the 70s and a 
buddy had a system operator job at ISI in Marina Del Rey.  One day he 
connected to his office from my lab via a 300baud acoustic modem and 
then got on the ARPA-NET.  From there he connected to a system called 
ATLAS in the UK.  I had no idea what to do at the prompt so I typed



?
to get list of commands.  My global eyes were opened when the 
response was


Pardon?

instead of the usual rude or cryptic error message that I was used 
to. There was a big world out there and we were definitely not in 
Kansas anymore!
It was about 1980.  My C-128 came with one of those CIS snap packs to 
let you test connecting to the 'net via Compuserve.  So I connected 
with my 300baud modem and..whoa!!!


When I got my next computer (and first portable) shortly thereafter (a 
TRS Model 100) I got acoustic cups for it, and suddenly I was 
connected from anywhere and everywhere there was a phone - including 
from my job at a Fotomat booth (remember those?) :-)


Anne

--
Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law, Dean of Cyberlaw & Cybersecurity, 
Lincoln Law School

CEO/President, SuretyMail Email Reputation Certification
Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law)
Legislative Consultant, GDPR, CCPA (CA) & CCDPA (CO) Compliance 
Consultant

Former Counsel: Mail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS)






--
Gene LeDuc | Experience is the worst teacher. It always
Technology Security| gives the test first, and the lesson
San Diego State University | afterwards.

Re: Reminiscing our first internet connections (WAS) Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

[Tom Beecher]

Wasn’t that CNID where PRIs ignored the flag set not to present the data?

On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 15:01  wrote:

>
> On January 27, 2020 at 22:57 ma...@isc.org (Mark Andrews) wrote:
>  > The hardware support was 2B+D but you could definitely just use a
> single B.   56k vs 64k depended on where you where is the world and which
> style of ISDN the telco offered.
>
> FWIW bulk dial-up lines were often brought in as PRIs which were 24
> ISDN 2B+D lines on basically a T1 (1.544mbps) and then you could break
> those out to serial lines.
>
> The sort of cool thing was that you could get caller information on
> those even if the caller thought they blocked it with *69 or whatever
> it was and log it. I forget the acronym...no no, that's the usual
> caller-id this was...u, DNI? Something like that.
>
> I won a court case with that data.
>
> --
> -Barry Shein
>
> Software Tool & Die| b...@theworld.com |
> http://www.TheWorld.com
> Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD   | 800-THE-WRLD
> The World: Since 1989  | A Public Information Utility | *oo*
>

Re: Reminiscing our first internet connections (WAS) Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

[nanog08]

Back in 1973 I was hired by Tymshare to "hack" Tymnet and some of the 
various systems (XDS 940, PDP-10s) - I was 15.  Tymshare provided me 
with a Teletype ASR-33 (with the built in tape punch and reader).  I had 
an AJ 300 baud acoustic coupler.  We had a second phone line installed, 
'cause my dad was tired of picking up the phone and hearing tones.  I 
ended up rewiring the house phones so I could put the terminal in my room.


When I went to the Pentagon in '79 I was in charge of PENT-TIP and got 
to take home and travel with a TI Silent700 with a built in acoustic 
coupler.  We had a bank of 300/1200 baud modems on PENT-TIP.  Our IMP 
was connected to the Arpanet via a 56K modem that was the size of 5 foot 
tall 19" rack!  Back in those days it seems TIP phone numbers were 
closely guarded treasure.


I still remember when I got an LS ADM-3A (no more finding rolls of 
thermal paper). I still have it, though I don't know why...


Geoff

On 2/17/20 11:20 AM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote:



On Feb 17, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Gene LeDuc  wrote:

I was a student worker at a computer lab at USC in the 70s and a buddy had a 
system operator job at ISI in Marina Del Rey.  One day he connected to his 
office from my lab via a 300baud acoustic modem and then got on the ARPA-NET.  
From there he connected to a system called ATLAS in the UK.  I had no idea what 
to do at the prompt so I typed


?

to get list of commands.  My global eyes were opened when the response was

Pardon?

instead of the usual rude or cryptic error message that I was used to. There 
was a big world out there and we were definitely not in Kansas anymore!

It was about 1980.  My C-128 came with one of those CIS snap packs to let you 
test connecting to the 'net via Compuserve.  So I connected with my 300baud 
modem and..whoa!!!

When I got my next computer (and first portable) shortly thereafter (a TRS 
Model 100) I got acoustic cups for it, and suddenly I was connected from 
anywhere and everywhere there was a phone - including from my job at a Fotomat 
booth (remember those?) :-)

Anne

--
Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law, Dean of Cyberlaw & Cybersecurity, Lincoln 
Law School
CEO/President, SuretyMail Email Reputation Certification
Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law)
Legislative Consultant, GDPR, CCPA (CA) & CCDPA (CO) Compliance Consultant
Former Counsel: Mail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS)

Re: Reminiscing our first internet connections (WAS) Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

[Clayton Zekelman]

So it was YOUR fault the phone at the Fotomat was always busy when I 
tried calling to check if my prints were done?


At 01:20 PM 17/02/2020, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote:


When I got my next computer (and first portable) shortly thereafter 
(a TRS Model 100) I got acoustic cups for it, and suddenly I was 
connected from anywhere and everywhere there was a phone - including 
from my job at a Fotomat booth (remember those?) :-)

Re: Reminiscing our first internet connections (WAS) Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

[Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.]

> On Feb 17, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Gene LeDuc  wrote:
> 
> I was a student worker at a computer lab at USC in the 70s and a buddy had a 
> system operator job at ISI in Marina Del Rey.  One day he connected to his 
> office from my lab via a 300baud acoustic modem and then got on the ARPA-NET. 
>  From there he connected to a system called ATLAS in the UK.  I had no idea 
> what to do at the prompt so I typed
> 
> > ?
> 
> to get list of commands.  My global eyes were opened when the response was
> 
> Pardon?
> 
> instead of the usual rude or cryptic error message that I was used to. There 
> was a big world out there and we were definitely not in Kansas anymore!

It was about 1980.  My C-128 came with one of those CIS snap packs to let you 
test connecting to the 'net via Compuserve.  So I connected with my 300baud 
modem and..whoa!!!

When I got my next computer (and first portable) shortly thereafter (a TRS 
Model 100) I got acoustic cups for it, and suddenly I was connected from 
anywhere and everywhere there was a phone - including from my job at a Fotomat 
booth (remember those?) :-)

Anne

--
Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law, Dean of Cyberlaw & Cybersecurity, Lincoln 
Law School
CEO/President, SuretyMail Email Reputation Certification
Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law)
Legislative Consultant, GDPR, CCPA (CA) & CCDPA (CO) Compliance Consultant
Former Counsel: Mail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS)

Re: Reminiscing our first internet connections (WAS) Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

[Gene LeDuc]

I was a student worker at a computer lab at USC in the 70s and a buddy 
had a system operator job at ISI in Marina Del Rey.  One day he 
connected to his office from my lab via a 300baud acoustic modem and 
then got on the ARPA-NET.  From there he connected to a system called 
ATLAS in the UK.  I had no idea what to do at the prompt so I typed


> ?

to get list of commands.  My global eyes were opened when the response was

Pardon?

instead of the usual rude or cryptic error message that I was used to. 
There was a big world out there and we were definitely not in Kansas 
anymore!


Gene

On 2/16/20 1:25 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote:


Ok it's Sunday...

The first time I got on the internet was around 1977.

A friend dropped by the lab I worked in at Harvard and wondered if I
had an MIT ITS account and I said no wasn't even sure what it was
other than a time sharing system at MIT.

So we had a modem and dumb terminal and dialed-in and one could create
an account from the login prompt which I guess today seems mundane but
really was totally unintuitive, getting logins on time shared systems
generally required paper work and proof one should have access.

And I became BARRYS@MIT-AI (no stinkin' dots back then.)

He showed me some ARPAnet things and I was suitably amazed and
explored more from home where I had my own dumb tty and modem.

TBH I didn't really have much use for it at the time other than
joining mailing lists or similar.

Occasionally if someone was in the room I'd say "watch this!" and get
to a login prompt at Stanford or UCL (London.) They were usually
impressed.

I did use the local area network to access MIT-MC to use MacSyma (a
symbolic math package) which I did use in my work.

I was fairly amazed that my files were visible on either machine.

etc etc etc.



--
Gene LeDuc | A ship in port is safe, but that's not
Technology Security| what ships are built for.
San Diego State University |   --Adm. Grace Hopper, USN

Call for Presentations - CHI-NOG 10 - (Chicago Network Operators Group) - May 28th, 2020

[Tom Kacprzynski]

*CHI-NOG 10 - (Chicago Network Operators Group)May 28th, 2020, Chicago, IL*

The Chicago Network Operators Group (CHI-NOG) is a vendor neutral
organization. Our goal is to create a regional community of network
professionals by presenting the latest technology trends, enabling
collaboration and providing networking opportunities. CHI-NOG will be
hosting its tenth annual conference on May 28th, 2020 in downtown Chicago.
For more information on the conference please see event's page (
http://chinog.org/chi-nog-10/).

The CHI-NOG Program Committee is seeking proposals for presentations on
relevant networking technologies with the *focus on the following topics*:

* Network Automation / DevOps / CI-CD
* Edge Computing and Edge Networking
* Interconnection/Peering
* 5G Mobile Networks
* BGP Security (RPKI)
* Open Networking
* Overlay Networking Technologies
* Low Latency Networks / Financial NetworksNetwork
* Security / DDoS
* Academic Research in Networking and Related Infrastructure Fields
* Internet Monitoring
* AI in Network Analytics
* Advanced BGP/MPLS Technologies
* Optical Networking/Data Center Interconnect
* Content Delivery Networks (CDNs)
* Software Defined Networking (SDN)
* Network Traffic Engineering (TE)
* Data Center Fabric
* Tutorials


*Session Format*Each presentation is 30 minutes, which includes a question
and answer time.
The duration can be extended per individual request to 60 minutes and will
be considered by the program committee. Presentations should not contain
any marketing material and should avoid discussion of commercial products
but rather focus on the underlying technology.


*Key Dates*
2/04/2020 - Call For Presentation (CFP)
3/25/2020 - Presentation Abstract Submission Deadline
4/01/2020 - Program Committee's Selection Decision and Agenda Published
5/01/2020 - Full Presentation Slides Submission Deadline
5/28/2020 - Conference


*Submission*
Please submit presentation’s abstract proposal by filling out the
submission form at http://chinog.org/chi-nog-10/abstract-submission/ .

Once your presentation is selected please provide the program committee with
your photo and a short bio for web publication. All accepted speakers will
receive complimentary tickets to the conference. For past presentation
please see the archives at 
https://www.youtube.com/user/chicagonog/videos

The program committee is looking
forward to your submission and attendance.

Thank you,

Tom Kacprzynski
CHI-NOG Program Committee Chair