Re: telia - texas - 10:30 a.m. central time - issues ?

[Kaiser, Erich]

the issue is between Dallas and Austin and it seems our wave just came back
up.


Erich Kaiser
The Fusion Network
er...@gotfusion.net
Office: 815-570-3101



On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 5:54 PM Tom Beecher  wrote:

> I have seen no disruption or connectivity issues on my Telia services in
> Dallas today.
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 6:18 PM Kaiser, Erich  wrote:
>
>> I know they have a ring in Texas between several major Metros.  I would
>> ask your CSR how your service is being delivered to Austin and raise the
>> question why is there no IP backbone redundancy?
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> The Fusion Network
>> er...@gotfusion.net
>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 3:11 PM Aaron Gould  wrote:
>>
>>> I think my first hop telia router is in Austin… if so, is that Austin
>>> Telia router redundantly connected ?  if so, then wouldn’t I likewise be
>>> redundantly connected to the internet via that telia Austin router ?
>>> unsure I understand you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I got this from Telia about 50 minutes ago…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “ETA for dispatch and testing is in 45 minutes.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Aaron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+aaron1=gvtc@nanog.org] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Kaiser, Erich
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 2:09 PM
>>> *To:* NANOG list
>>> *Subject:* Re: telia - texas - 10:30 a.m. central time - issues ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Telia has redundancy in Austin but if you are on an unprotected wave
>>> back to Dallas you will not be redundant.  We have an outage with them as
>>> well between Dallas and Austin same issue as yourself and others have
>>> stated.   Latest update " Dear Customer,
>>>
>>> We are still pushing for an ETA to the site from our provider, but they
>>> currently do not yet have a further update from their dispatched
>>> technicians."
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>
>>> The Fusion Network
>>>
>>> er...@gotfusion.net
>>>
>>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:35 PM Aaron Gould  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, that’s exactly what I heard elsewhere also… “suspected fiber cut
>>> between Dallas and Waxahachie”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m pretty sure I connect to Telia in Austin… and so, I’m guessing that
>>> this has no redundant path ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Aaron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick Suan
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 12:33 PM
>>> *To:* nanog@nanog.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: telia - texas - 10:30 a.m. central time - issues ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not sure about Telia specifically, but there is apparently a fiber cut
>>> between Dallas and Waxahachie, that took out our wave service to Austin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 27, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Aaron Gould wrote:
>>>
>>> In the Texas area, particularly, south central, Austin area….. anyone
>>> know of any issues with Telia Internet today around 10:32 a.m. central time
>>> ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I had good bgp session and good route 0/0 from them, but little to no
>>> internet packets were flowing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Aaron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: telia - texas - 10:30 a.m. central time - issues ?

[Tom Beecher]

I have seen no disruption or connectivity issues on my Telia services in
Dallas today.

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 6:18 PM Kaiser, Erich  wrote:

> I know they have a ring in Texas between several major Metros.  I would
> ask your CSR how your service is being delivered to Austin and raise the
> question why is there no IP backbone redundancy?
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> The Fusion Network
> er...@gotfusion.net
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 3:11 PM Aaron Gould  wrote:
>
>> I think my first hop telia router is in Austin… if so, is that Austin
>> Telia router redundantly connected ?  if so, then wouldn’t I likewise be
>> redundantly connected to the internet via that telia Austin router ?
>> unsure I understand you.
>>
>>
>>
>> I got this from Telia about 50 minutes ago…
>>
>>
>>
>> “ETA for dispatch and testing is in 45 minutes.”
>>
>>
>>
>> -Aaron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+aaron1=gvtc@nanog.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Kaiser, Erich
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 2:09 PM
>> *To:* NANOG list
>> *Subject:* Re: telia - texas - 10:30 a.m. central time - issues ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Telia has redundancy in Austin but if you are on an unprotected wave back
>> to Dallas you will not be redundant.  We have an outage with them as well
>> between Dallas and Austin same issue as yourself and others have stated.
>>  Latest update " Dear Customer,
>>
>> We are still pushing for an ETA to the site from our provider, but they
>> currently do not yet have a further update from their dispatched
>> technicians."
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>>
>> The Fusion Network
>>
>> er...@gotfusion.net
>>
>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:35 PM Aaron Gould  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that’s exactly what I heard elsewhere also… “suspected fiber cut
>> between Dallas and Waxahachie”
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m pretty sure I connect to Telia in Austin… and so, I’m guessing that
>> this has no redundant path ?
>>
>>
>>
>> -Aaron
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick Suan
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 12:33 PM
>> *To:* nanog@nanog.org
>> *Subject:* Re: telia - texas - 10:30 a.m. central time - issues ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure about Telia specifically, but there is apparently a fiber cut
>> between Dallas and Waxahachie, that took out our wave service to Austin.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 27, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Aaron Gould wrote:
>>
>> In the Texas area, particularly, south central, Austin area….. anyone
>> know of any issues with Telia Internet today around 10:32 a.m. central time
>> ?
>>
>>
>>
>> I had good bgp session and good route 0/0 from them, but little to no
>> internet packets were flowing.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Aaron
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: not really Contact at Ubiquiti Networks?

[John Levine]

In article  
you write:
>On Wed, 27 May 2020 at 10:00, Mel Beckman  wrote:
>
>Hertz car rental has the #1 product in its industry, even its major
>> competitor Avis agrees (“We’re number two“:-), and yet Hertz stock is
>> plunging towards zero even as we speak. ...

>However Hertz depreciation is caused by the anticipation that debtors will
>receive almost all of the equity, diluting the current owners by massive
>ratio. ...

Hertz suffers from an over-clever structure in which they lease their
cars from special purpose funds owned by private investors. Since
there is currently no demand for airport car rental, nor any demand
for used cars, the value of the cars has dropped, and Hertz got what
was in effect a margin call. But since there is no demand for airport
car rental nor used cars, Hertz has no revenue with which to pay the
margin calls. Uh, oh, repo time.

This doesn't tell us much beyond the fact that if you are in a
business in which an unforseen event destroys both your income stream
and the value of your major asset, you are in trouble. As far as I
know neither applies to makers of routers and other Internet hardware.

Re: telia - texas - 10:30 a.m. central time - issues ?

[Kaiser, Erich]

I know they have a ring in Texas between several major Metros.  I would ask
your CSR how your service is being delivered to Austin and raise the
question why is there no IP backbone redundancy?


Erich Kaiser
The Fusion Network
er...@gotfusion.net
Office: 815-570-3101





On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 3:11 PM Aaron Gould  wrote:

> I think my first hop telia router is in Austin… if so, is that Austin
> Telia router redundantly connected ?  if so, then wouldn’t I likewise be
> redundantly connected to the internet via that telia Austin router ?
> unsure I understand you.
>
>
>
> I got this from Telia about 50 minutes ago…
>
>
>
> “ETA for dispatch and testing is in 45 minutes.”
>
>
>
> -Aaron
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+aaron1=gvtc@nanog.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Kaiser, Erich
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 2:09 PM
> *To:* NANOG list
> *Subject:* Re: telia - texas - 10:30 a.m. central time - issues ?
>
>
>
> Telia has redundancy in Austin but if you are on an unprotected wave back
> to Dallas you will not be redundant.  We have an outage with them as well
> between Dallas and Austin same issue as yourself and others have stated.
>  Latest update " Dear Customer,
>
> We are still pushing for an ETA to the site from our provider, but they
> currently do not yet have a further update from their dispatched
> technicians."
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> The Fusion Network
>
> er...@gotfusion.net
>
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:35 PM Aaron Gould  wrote:
>
> Yes, that’s exactly what I heard elsewhere also… “suspected fiber cut
> between Dallas and Waxahachie”
>
>
>
> I’m pretty sure I connect to Telia in Austin… and so, I’m guessing that
> this has no redundant path ?
>
>
>
> -Aaron
>
>
>
> *From:* NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick Suan
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 12:33 PM
> *To:* nanog@nanog.org
> *Subject:* Re: telia - texas - 10:30 a.m. central time - issues ?
>
>
>
> Not sure about Telia specifically, but there is apparently a fiber cut
> between Dallas and Waxahachie, that took out our wave service to Austin.
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Aaron Gould wrote:
>
> In the Texas area, particularly, south central, Austin area….. anyone know
> of any issues with Telia Internet today around 10:32 a.m. central time ?
>
>
>
> I had good bgp session and good route 0/0 from them, but little to no
> internet packets were flowing.
>
>
>
> -Aaron
>
>
>
>

Re: Contact at Ubiquiti Networks?

[Valdis Klētnieks]

On Tue, 26 May 2020 21:53:55 +0200, Baldur Norddahl said:

> Even the big guys like Juniper fail at basic functionality. Our brand new
> MX204 fails to select the correct source address when doing ARP requests
> and apparently that is a known will not fix.

1987 called and wants their bug back.

Seriously, how does something *that* basic even make it out of the lab?


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RE: telia - texas - 10:30 a.m. central time - issues ?

[Aaron Gould]

I think my first hop telia router is in Austin… if so, is that Austin Telia 
router redundantly connected ?  if so, then wouldn’t I likewise be redundantly 
connected to the internet via that telia Austin router ?  unsure I understand 
you.

 

I got this from Telia about 50 minutes ago…

 

“ETA for dispatch and testing is in 45 minutes.”

 

-Aaron

 

 

From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+aaron1=gvtc@nanog.org] On Behalf Of 
Kaiser, Erich
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 2:09 PM
To: NANOG list
Subject: Re: telia - texas - 10:30 a.m. central time - issues ?

 

Telia has redundancy in Austin but if you are on an unprotected wave back to 
Dallas you will not be redundant.  We have an outage with them as well between 
Dallas and Austin same issue as yourself and others have stated.   Latest 
update " Dear Customer,

We are still pushing for an ETA to the site from our provider, but they 
currently do not yet have a further update from their dispatched technicians."




Erich Kaiser

The Fusion Network

  er...@gotfusion.net

Office: 815-570-3101

 

 

 

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:35 PM Aaron Gould  wrote:

Yes, that’s exactly what I heard elsewhere also… “suspected fiber cut between 
Dallas and Waxahachie”

 

I’m pretty sure I connect to Telia in Austin… and so, I’m guessing that this 
has no redundant path ?

 

-Aaron

 

From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Nick Suan
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 12:33 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: telia - texas - 10:30 a.m. central time - issues ?

 

Not sure about Telia specifically, but there is apparently a fiber cut between 
Dallas and Waxahachie, that took out our wave service to Austin.

 

Nick

 

On Wed, May 27, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Aaron Gould wrote:

In the Texas area, particularly, south central, Austin area….. anyone know of 
any issues with Telia Internet today around 10:32 a.m. central time ?

 

I had good bgp session and good route 0/0 from them, but little to no internet 
packets were flowing.

 

-Aaron

 

Re: telia - texas - 10:30 a.m. central time - issues ?

[Kaiser, Erich]

Telia has redundancy in Austin but if you are on an unprotected wave back
to Dallas you will not be redundant.  We have an outage with them as well
between Dallas and Austin same issue as yourself and others have stated.
 Latest update " Dear Customer,

We are still pushing for an ETA to the site from our provider, but they
currently do not yet have a further update from their dispatched
technicians."

Erich Kaiser
The Fusion Network
er...@gotfusion.net
Office: 815-570-3101



On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:35 PM Aaron Gould  wrote:

> Yes, that’s exactly what I heard elsewhere also… “suspected fiber cut
> between Dallas and Waxahachie”
>
>
>
> I’m pretty sure I connect to Telia in Austin… and so, I’m guessing that
> this has no redundant path ?
>
>
>
> -Aaron
>
>
>
> *From:* NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick Suan
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 12:33 PM
> *To:* nanog@nanog.org
> *Subject:* Re: telia - texas - 10:30 a.m. central time - issues ?
>
>
>
> Not sure about Telia specifically, but there is apparently a fiber cut
> between Dallas and Waxahachie, that took out our wave service to Austin.
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Aaron Gould wrote:
>
> In the Texas area, particularly, south central, Austin area….. anyone know
> of any issues with Telia Internet today around 10:32 a.m. central time ?
>
>
>
> I had good bgp session and good route 0/0 from them, but little to no
> internet packets were flowing.
>
>
>
> -Aaron
>
>
>

RE: telia - texas - 10:30 a.m. central time - issues ?

[Aaron Gould]

Yes, that’s exactly what I heard elsewhere also… “suspected fiber cut between 
Dallas and Waxahachie”

 

I’m pretty sure I connect to Telia in Austin… and so, I’m guessing that this 
has no redundant path ?

 

-Aaron

 

From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Nick Suan
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 12:33 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: telia - texas - 10:30 a.m. central time - issues ?

 

Not sure about Telia specifically, but there is apparently a fiber cut between 
Dallas and Waxahachie, that took out our wave service to Austin.

 

Nick

 

On Wed, May 27, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Aaron Gould wrote:

In the Texas area, particularly, south central, Austin area….. anyone know of 
any issues with Telia Internet today around 10:32 a.m. central time ?

 

I had good bgp session and good route 0/0 from them, but little to no internet 
packets were flowing.

 

-Aaron

 

Re: Tierpoint abuse contact

[Jay Farrell via NANOG]

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 11:29 AM David Shaw  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I could really use some help reaching someone at Tierpoint for a spam
> problem coming from 216.27.63.177, 216.27.63.154, 216.27.63.196, and other
> addresses in that block.  I've sent countless emails to their abuse contact
> with no response, had daily calls with their NOC (very polite, but
> ultimately unable to do more than take a message).  It's been almost a
> month now, and while I don't like asking on NANOG, after emailing and
> calling for weeks, I'm out of other options.
>
> Any pointers would be very welcomed.
>
> David
>

Hi David,

I'm just a data center ops guy at Tierpoint, but I've forwarded your email
to someone who may be able to help. But did you also try abuse@ the domain
to which the rDNS resolves?

Re: telia - texas - 10:30 a.m. central time - issues ?

[Nick Suan]

Not sure about Telia specifically, but there is apparently a fiber cut between 
Dallas and Waxahachie, that took out our wave service to Austin.

Nick

On Wed, May 27, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Aaron Gould wrote:
> In the Texas area, particularly, south central, Austin area….. anyone know of 
> any issues with Telia Internet today around 10:32 a.m. central time ?

> 

> I had good bgp session and good route 0/0 from them, but little to no 
> internet packets were flowing.

> 

> -Aaron

telia - texas - 10:30 a.m. central time - issues ?

[Aaron Gould]

In the Texas area, particularly, south central, Austin area... anyone know
of any issues with Telia Internet today around 10:32 a.m. central time ?

 

I had good bgp session and good route 0/0 from them, but little to no
internet packets were flowing.

 

-Aaron

Tierpoint abuse contact

[David Shaw]

Hi,

I could really use some help reaching someone at Tierpoint for a spam problem 
coming from 216.27.63.177, 216.27.63.154, 216.27.63.196, and other addresses in 
that block.  I've sent countless emails to their abuse contact with no 
response, had daily calls with their NOC (very polite, but ultimately unable to 
do more than take a message).  It's been almost a month now, and while I don't 
like asking on NANOG, after emailing and calling for weeks, I'm out of other 
options.

Any pointers would be very welcomed.

David

Re: Amazon Prime Video Contact

[Mike Hammett]

http://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/ 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Nathan Gerencser"  
To: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 3:23:53 AM 
Subject: Amazon Prime Video Contact 



Anybody have a contact at Amazon that could help clear up an issue with an IP 
prefix being blocked from accessing the Prime Video service? 

Thanks in advance. 

Nathan Gerencser, Network Engineer 
MetaLINK Technologies 

Re: Did I miss a problem: FCC and CISA stress need for access during pandemic

[Bill Woodcock]

> On May 27, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Jared Mauch  wrote:
> I have had problems with OSP construction ostensibly delayed by closed 
> permitting agencies.

Several people have said this, now, both back to the NANOG list and to me 
privately, so I’ve conveyed that back.  Having more specific anecdotes, or any 
statistics, that would help illustrate or quantify the issue, would make this 
easier.

-Bill



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Re: Contact at Ubiquiti Networks?

[Gary Godard via NANOG]

I have this exact same issue with Ubiquiti. Would go to network in which we
designed spanning tree Loops in the event of a switch failure the network
could automatically recover in keep portions from being disconnected. This
all works fine until power loss greater than the run time on the UPS's.
 Seems to me like a simple fix, simply do not activate the switch ports
until spanning tree is running and then activate them one at a time.

Thanks


Gary Godard
Chief Technical Officer
308 Pine St
West Monroe, LA 71291
Office: 800-536-7035, Ext. 5201

Fax...: 888-471-8778
Direct: 318-884-9422
Email: g...@skyrider.net  Web: http://www.skyrider.net

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gary-godard-48733920




On Wed, May 27, 2020, 02:53 Phil Lavin  wrote:

> > Where did you find this?
>
> Found out the hard way after buying and installing 20 of them. When a
> single node in a VC reboots, it starts switching traffic some seconds
> before it does STP so any loops that were previously blocked now flood -
> usually overloading the other 3400s on the network. Apparently this is just
> how the Broadcom chip works and cannot be fixed. That, twinned with some
> other significant stability issues, caused them to all go back for a
> refund. They did say a PR would be raised for this though I don't believe
> it has been - I can't find an external one, anyway.
>
> The QFX51XX issue is currently a won't fix. Worked fine in 17.x, broke in
> 18.x. No documentation or reasoning for the change, other than giving the
> distinct impression that we don't spend enough for them to care.
>
>

Amazon Prime Video Contact

[Nathan Gerencser]

Anybody have a contact at Amazon that could help clear up an issue with an  IP 
prefix being blocked from accessing the Prime Video service?

Thanks in advance.

Nathan Gerencser, Network Engineer
MetaLINK Technologies

Re: Did I miss a problem: FCC and CISA stress need for access during pandemic

[Jared Mauch]

I have had problems with OSP construction ostensibly delayed by closed 
permitting agencies. 

Sent from my iCar

> On May 27, 2020, at 2:30 AM, Bill Woodcock  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 27, 2020, at 3:40 AM, Sean Donelan  wrote:
>> I have not heard of any problems with access for ISP and communications 
>> workers in any U.S. state or locality during the pandemic.
>> Did I miss a big problem requiring the FCC chairman and CISA Director send a 
>> letter?
> 
> That was one of the outcomes of the OECD recommendations to member 
> governments on the Internet during the pandemic.  As you may recall, I 
> emailed you, and many other members of our community, on March 23, soliciting 
> input for this document:
> 
>   
> http://www.oecd.org/coronavirus/policy-responses/keeping-the-internet-up-and-running-in-times-of-crisis-4017c4c9/
> 
> The specific recommendation regarding prioritized access came from several of 
> the people I mailed, and was of particular concern to global backbone 
> operators. Whether you think that particular recommendation is a high 
> priority or not, I’d chalk this up as a successful exercise of our community 
> providing input to government and having government take it seriously and act 
> upon it in the way that we requested them to.  Exercising that channel 
> periodically, to keep government thinking of that as normal, would be good.
> 
> There’s no provable causality chain here, but it was a concern, we spoke, 
> they listened, and the problem we were concerned with did not become an 
> issue, so that’s a success.  If only we could do that with public health, 
> we’d be in great shape.
> 
>   -Bill
> 
> 
> 
> 
>-Bill
> 

RE: Contact at Ubiquiti Networks?

[Phil Lavin]

> Where did you find this? 

Found out the hard way after buying and installing 20 of them. When a single 
node in a VC reboots, it starts switching traffic some seconds before it does 
STP so any loops that were previously blocked now flood - usually overloading 
the other 3400s on the network. Apparently this is just how the Broadcom chip 
works and cannot be fixed. That, twinned with some other significant stability 
issues, caused them to all go back for a refund. They did say a PR would be 
raised for this though I don't believe it has been - I can't find an external 
one, anyway.

The QFX51XX issue is currently a won't fix. Worked fine in 17.x, broke in 18.x. 
No documentation or reasoning for the change, other than giving the distinct 
impression that we don't spend enough for them to care.

Re: Contact at Ubiquiti Networks?

[Ryan Hamel]

> Apparently EX2300/EX3400 doesn't support STP when using Virtual Chassis

Where did you find this? I'm only able to find the EX4300 mentioned in 
https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos/topics/task/configuration/virtual-chassis-ex4300-configuring.html
I see the following listed on the feature explorer for the EX2300-VC and 
EX3400-VC at 
https://apps.juniper.net/feature-explorer/select-platform.html?category=Switching=1
BPDU protection for spanning-tree protocols - Junos OS 15.1X53-D50
Global configuration of spanning-tree protocols - Junos OS 15.1X53-D50
Loop protection for spanning-tree protocols - Junos OS 15.1X53-D50
Root protection for spanning-tree protocols - Junos OS 15.1X53-D50

Ryan Hamel
On May 26 2020, at 11:09 pm, Phil Lavin  wrote:
> > Even the big guys like Juniper fail at basic functionality. Our brand new 
> > MX204 fails to select the correct source address when doing ARP requests 
> > and apparently that is a known will not fix.
>
> Apparently EX2300/EX3400 doesn't support STP when using Virtual Chassis and 
> QFX51XX don't support firewall filters when using VXLAN. Both cannot/will not 
> fix. How I long to be in the spend category that makes vendors care about 
> fundamental issues.

Re: Contact at Ubiquiti Networks?

[Saku Ytti]

On Wed, 27 May 2020 at 10:00, Mel Beckman  wrote:

Hertz car rental has the #1 product in its industry, even its major
> competitor Avis agrees (“We’re number two“:-), and yet Hertz stock is
> plunging towards zero even as we speak. Stock price has nothing to do with
> product quality. Theranos, for example, had a completely fictional product,
> yet it stock price skyrocketed.
>

I agree with the sentiment that stock value cannot be used to glean
~anything, certainly not something specific like 'marketability of
product'. I'd be interested in reading paper where stock value is
determined to be more reliable than random metric on anything except stock
value.

However Hertz depreciation is caused by the anticipation that debtors will
receive almost all of the equity, diluting the current owners by massive
ratio. The value tries to reflect post-dilution value. My Stetson-Harrision
analysis tells that current owners will end up owning less than 20% of
Hertz and more than 80% goes to debtors.
So by that logic, 80% of Hertz value is currently not trading.

-- 
  ++ytti

Re: Contact at Ubiquiti Networks?

[Mel Beckman]

Hertz car rental has the #1 product in its industry, even its major competitor 
Avis agrees (“We’re number two“:-), and yet Hertz stock is plunging towards 
zero even as we speak. Stock price has nothing to do with product quality. 
Theranos, for example, had a completely fictional product, yet it stock price 
skyrocketed.

Stock price is simply a way of measuring the perceived market value of a 
company‘s earning potential.

 -mel beckman

On May 26, 2020, at 11:50 PM, Etienne-Victor Depasquale  wrote:


" stock value is a terribly inaccurate way to measure if a company is 
"excelling."  "

That requires qualification.

Stock value might be a "terribly inaccurate way" in the short term but in the 
long term, it reflects whether you have a marketable product or not.

On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 4:20 PM Mike Hammett 
mailto:na...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Kind of OT for NANOG, but stock value is a terribly inaccurate way to measure 
if a company is "excelling." Wall Street knows nothing of how to run a company, 
prioritizing quarterly profit over long-term success. Not hiring additional 
staff makes your quarterly numbers look good, but it isn't good for the 
long-term attractiveness of your product. A good business doesn't just target 
new suckers, they also keep existing customers happy. Eventually you run out of 
suckers and all you have is a bunch of burned bridges in your wake.

I subscribe to several feature requests in their community that are YEARS old 
with little to no response from Ubiquiti. Some of them can't be hard for 
Ubiquiti to implement because they're running on the exact same hardware and 
underlying OS and some of them you can configure in JSON files, but they just 
aren't available in the GUI. They just don't care. They'd rather push out 
Flavor Flav cameras or lighting.

They came out with a new product in a particular family and opened a new 
feature request section for it. I commented something similar to, "Start with 
feature parity with the existing product, then start working through the years 
of feature requests there. Come back when you're done."


This doesn't just afflict equipment manufacturers. Network operators are in the 
same boat. Both groups have companies profiting hundreds of millions or 
billions of dollars every quarter, can't spare a few hundred grand a year for a 
couple dev-ops guys to just bang out automation or features. Yes, I understand 
you rarely get twice the work from twice the people, but there are 
opportunities to make this better.





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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Matt Hoppes" 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
To: "Mike Hammett" mailto:na...@ics-il.net>>
Cc: "NANOG list" mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 8:28:52 AM
Subject: Re: Contact at Ubiquiti Networks?

Except, you could argue they are exceling.  Stocks are going up up up,
and folks buy the product.

I really wish stock holders would ask the proper questions in the
quarterly calls.

On 5/26/20 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> That is a big problem. In terms of their UniFi product line, there are
> no reasonable alternatives.
>
> Upper management is the biggest problem. They have severe ADD.
>
> A ton of companies have these kinds of issues. They just plain don't
> hire enough people in the right areas to really excel.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
> 

Re: Contact at Ubiquiti Networks?

[Etienne-Victor Depasquale]

" stock value is a terribly inaccurate way to measure if a company is
"excelling."  "

That requires qualification.

Stock value might be a "terribly inaccurate way" in the short term but in
the long term, it reflects whether you have a marketable product or not.

On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 4:20 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Kind of OT for NANOG, but stock value is a terribly inaccurate way to
> measure if a company is "excelling." Wall Street knows nothing of how to
> run a company, prioritizing quarterly profit over long-term success. Not
> hiring additional staff makes your quarterly numbers look good, but it
> isn't good for the long-term attractiveness of your product. A good
> business doesn't just target new suckers, they also keep existing customers
> happy. Eventually you run out of suckers and all you have is a bunch of
> burned bridges in your wake.
>
> I subscribe to several feature requests in their community that are YEARS
> old with little to no response from Ubiquiti. Some of them can't be hard
> for Ubiquiti to implement because they're running on the exact same
> hardware and underlying OS and some of them you can configure in JSON
> files, but they just aren't available in the GUI. They just don't care.
> They'd rather push out Flavor Flav cameras or lighting.
>
> They came out with a new product in a particular family and opened a new
> feature request section for it. I commented something similar to, "Start
> with feature parity with the existing product, then start working through
> the years of feature requests there. Come back when you're done."
>
>
> This doesn't just afflict equipment manufacturers. Network operators are
> in the same boat. Both groups have companies profiting hundreds of millions
> or billions of dollars every quarter, can't spare a few hundred grand a
> year for a couple dev-ops guys to just bang out automation or features.
> Yes, I understand you rarely get twice the work from twice the people, but
> there are opportunities to make this better.
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *"Mike Hammett" 
> *Cc: *"NANOG list" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, May 26, 2020 8:28:52 AM
> *Subject: *Re: Contact at Ubiquiti Networks?
>
> Except, you could argue they are exceling.  Stocks are going up up up,
> and folks buy the product.
>
> I really wish stock holders would ask the proper questions in the
> quarterly calls.
>
> On 5/26/20 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> > That is a big problem. In terms of their UniFi product line, there are
> > no reasonable alternatives.
> >
> > Upper management is the biggest problem. They have severe ADD.
> >
> > A ton of companies have these kinds of issues. They just plain don't
> > hire enough people in the right areas to really excel.
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> > <
> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><
> https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> > Midwest Internet Exchange 
> > <
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><
> https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> > The Brothers WISP 
> > <
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> > 
> > *From: *"Ben P" 
> > *To: *"Mike Hammett" 
> > *Cc: *"j k" , "NANOG list" 
> > *Sent: *Tuesday, May 26, 2020 5:01:36 AM
> > *Subject: *Re: Contact at Ubiquiti Networks?
> >
> > Agree 1000% with the sentiments expressed by Mike.
> >
> > Unfortunately despite much research I’ve been unable to find a suitable
> > replacement vendor.  All the other vendors seem to want to ram
> > cloud-management down your throat which I absolutely do not want.  My
> > network, my control, not under the auspices of someone else’s magic
> cloud.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 25 May 2020, at 21:21, Mike Hammett  > > wrote:
> >
> > The company has mostly fallen apart. Their sales are going up, but
> > their responsiveness and customer support have been declining over
> > the last five years.
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike 

Re: Did I miss a problem: FCC and CISA stress need for access during pandemic

[Bill Woodcock]

> On May 27, 2020, at 3:40 AM, Sean Donelan  wrote:
> I have not heard of any problems with access for ISP and communications 
> workers in any U.S. state or locality during the pandemic.
> Did I miss a big problem requiring the FCC chairman and CISA Director send a 
> letter?

That was one of the outcomes of the OECD recommendations to member governments 
on the Internet during the pandemic.  As you may recall, I emailed you, and 
many other members of our community, on March 23, soliciting input for this 
document:

   
http://www.oecd.org/coronavirus/policy-responses/keeping-the-internet-up-and-running-in-times-of-crisis-4017c4c9/

The specific recommendation regarding prioritized access came from several of 
the people I mailed, and was of particular concern to global backbone 
operators. Whether you think that particular recommendation is a high priority 
or not, I’d chalk this up as a successful exercise of our community providing 
input to government and having government take it seriously and act upon it in 
the way that we requested them to.  Exercising that channel periodically, to 
keep government thinking of that as normal, would be good.

There’s no provable causality chain here, but it was a concern, we spoke, they 
listened, and the problem we were concerned with did not become an issue, so 
that’s a success.  If only we could do that with public health, we’d be in 
great shape.

   -Bill




-Bill



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RE: Contact at Ubiquiti Networks?

[Phil Lavin]

> Even the big guys like Juniper fail at basic functionality. Our brand new 
> MX204 fails to select the correct source address when doing ARP requests and 
> apparently that is a known will not fix.

Apparently EX2300/EX3400 doesn't support STP when using Virtual Chassis and 
QFX51XX don't support firewall filters when using VXLAN. Both cannot/will not 
fix. How I long to be in the spend category that makes vendors care about 
fundamental issues.