Re: Show NOCs: OIG report: Should you charge extra for NOC tours?

[Matt Erculiani]

I'd venture to say that anyone touring the facility of an industry they're
not familiar with, but intrigued by, would be fascinating to them (e.g.
SpaceX mission control as previously mentioned). Likewise, touring
facilities of your same industry could be boring.

I'm sure many of us have sunk HOURS into episodes of *How It's Made *which
is really nothing more than a virtual factory tour; but I'm sure the
workers there would feel the same way about touring other factories as we
do about touring NOCs/DCs.

For businessy types who trade in data centers/NOC, but don't interact
frequently, I'm sure tours can be both fascinating and informative.

-Matt



On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 5:57 PM Ben Cannon  wrote:

> I’m lucky enough to give hundreds of people their literal first look at
> “the internet” - and I can tell you, in many cases, it blows their minds.
>
> Honestly watching people’s eyes light up when they see all this, or hold a
> bare glass optical fiber in their hand, has got to be one of the very best
> parts of this whole gig.
>
>
> Lest we grow too accustomed to the technology that profoundly changed my
> life around age 8 or so.
>
> Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon, ASCE
> 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC
> CEO
> b...@6by7.net
> "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company
> in the world.”
>
> FCC License KJ6FJJ
>
> Sent from my iPhone via RFC1149.
>
> On Jan 7, 2021, at 10:34 AM, Christopher Morrow 
> wrote:
>
> NOC tours seem like a very 1990's thing, that and 'datacenter tours'.
>
> "Oh you like seeing people at computers and you can't get enough of
> that at your home workplace?"
> "Oh, you also like cages? me too!! sometimes we put 'racks' in them...
> or heavens to gertrude! 'computers'!!"
>
> almost all of this seems like ... really not worth the time for
> external people to bother with.
> which is maybe why: "Sure, you wanna visit? pay me" (Oh, now you dont'
> want to visit? ok, cool!)
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:09 PM Sean Donelan  wrote:
>
>
>
> Department of Commerce OIG review of FirstNet request to tour AT GNOC
>
>
>
>
> https://www.oversight.gov/sites/default/files/oig-reports/DOC/OIG-21-016-I.pdf
>
> Continued FirstNet Authority Management Attention is Needed to Address
>
> Control Environment Weaknesses
>
>
> [...]
>
> FirstNet Authority disagreed that the request for a GNOC tour “constituted
>
> a request for ‘additional contract services outside the scope of the
>
> contract.’” In its response, FirstNet Authority stated, “GNOC tours are
>
> not governed or limited by the [NPSBN] contract as these kinds of tours
>
> are commonplace for AT to provide to outside parties.”  However, we
>
> found that the contractor only offers a multi-media presentation regarding
>
> the GNOC at its Corporate Briefing Center. FirstNet Authority requested a
>
> visit and tour of the GNOC, which is neither included in the contract nor
>
> offered widely to the public. We reaffirm that the tour was not in the
>
> contract and could be viewed as exerting indirect pressure for the
>
> contractor to perform unreimbursed services outside the contract.
>
> [...]
>
>

-- 
Matt Erculiani
ERCUL-ARIN

Re: Show NOCs: OIG report: Should you charge extra for NOC tours?

[Ben Cannon]

I’m lucky enough to give hundreds of people their literal first look at “the 
internet” - and I can tell you, in many cases, it blows their minds.  

Honestly watching people’s eyes light up when they see all this, or hold a bare 
glass optical fiber in their hand, has got to be one of the very best parts of 
this whole gig.


Lest we grow too accustomed to the technology that profoundly changed my life 
around age 8 or so.

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
b...@6by7.net
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”

FCC License KJ6FJJ

Sent from my iPhone via RFC1149.

> On Jan 7, 2021, at 10:34 AM, Christopher Morrow  
> wrote:
> 
> NOC tours seem like a very 1990's thing, that and 'datacenter tours'.
> 
> "Oh you like seeing people at computers and you can't get enough of
> that at your home workplace?"
> "Oh, you also like cages? me too!! sometimes we put 'racks' in them...
> or heavens to gertrude! 'computers'!!"
> 
> almost all of this seems like ... really not worth the time for
> external people to bother with.
> which is maybe why: "Sure, you wanna visit? pay me" (Oh, now you dont'
> want to visit? ok, cool!)
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:09 PM Sean Donelan  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Department of Commerce OIG review of FirstNet request to tour AT GNOC
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.oversight.gov/sites/default/files/oig-reports/DOC/OIG-21-016-I.pdf
>> Continued FirstNet Authority Management Attention is Needed to Address
>> Control Environment Weaknesses
>> 
>> [...]
>> FirstNet Authority disagreed that the request for a GNOC tour “constituted
>> a request for ‘additional contract services outside the scope of the
>> contract.’” In its response, FirstNet Authority stated, “GNOC tours are
>> not governed or limited by the [NPSBN] contract as these kinds of tours
>> are commonplace for AT to provide to outside parties.”  However, we
>> found that the contractor only offers a multi-media presentation regarding
>> the GNOC at its Corporate Briefing Center. FirstNet Authority requested a
>> visit and tour of the GNOC, which is neither included in the contract nor
>> offered widely to the public. We reaffirm that the tour was not in the
>> contract and could be viewed as exerting indirect pressure for the
>> contractor to perform unreimbursed services outside the contract.
>> [...]

Re: handling DDoS to hosted CDN cache

[Töma Gavrichenkov]

Peace,

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 3:28 AM Yang Yu  wrote:
> How often does your hosted CDN cache get DDoS'ed? I am curious how
> these get handled (especially when it would cause upstream/backbone
> congestion). Is this treated differently than DDoS to customers?

I'm assuming you're speaking about IP transit.  (For a datacenter, the
picture wouldn't be the same.)

Yes, it's different in that the malicious traffic would typically be
coming from your customers and you can mitigate it by tracing it back
to the sources (and by blocking the access to the IP from the outside
of your network, except for the outgoing connections), which is a good
thing.

> Any experience to share on working with CDNs to solve these issues?

Mostly to ensure that they only serve your hosted cache's IP to your
customer cone *at most* and to no one else.  (Isn't always the case
though.)

In certain cases (layer 7 attacks, I guess it's not your case) they
can also provide you with the list of IP addresses causing the heavy
load on the caching servers, even if not in realtime.

> If the cache provides flowspec feed, how useful would it be?

First, in my experience almost none of them do.

Next, I'm a firm believer in flow spec and automation but even I'd say
it's too dangerous anyway to just take that feed and use it right away
without a NOC supervision.  Not just the CDN NOCs are not necessarily
experts in DDoS and flow spec, but they also may have, I'd say,
different priorities than your network engineering team does.  As a
threat intelligence source, those might be useful though.

--
Töma

Re: Show NOCs: OIG report: Should you charge extra for NOC tours?

[Valdis Klētnieks]

On Thu, 07 Jan 2021 23:35:06 +, "Jay R. Ashworth" said:
> > From: "Brandon Svec" 
> > It is not really different than most other tourist attractions. Some are 
> > amazed
> > and curious to see the largest ball of twine
> Those would be people who *don't* do this for a living, mostly...
> >   and some think it is 
> > ridiculous.
> Those would be people who *do* this for a living, mostly.

I could go "meh" about a NOC tour itself.  On the other hand, I can think
of a number of providers where buying the right person a beer would be
significantly enlightening. :)


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handling DDoS to hosted CDN cache

[Yang Yu]

How often does your hosted CDN cache get DDoS'ed? I am curious how
these get handled (especially when it would cause upstream/backbone
congestion). Is this treated differently than DDoS to customers? Any
experience to share on working with CDNs to solve these issues?

Any CDN that provides good information/resources for mitigation (e.g.
drop A traffic, ratelimit B traffic to x pps)?

If the cache provides flowspec feed, how useful would it be?


Yang

Re: Show NOCs: OIG report: Should you charge extra for NOC tours?

[Jay R. Ashworth]

- Original Message -
> From: "Brandon Svec" 

> It is not really different than most other tourist attractions. Some are 
> amazed
> and curious to see the largest ball of twine 

Those would be people who *don't* do this for a living, mostly...

>   and some think it is ridiculous.

Those would be people who *do* this for a living, mostly.

Cheers,
-- jr 'Though I'll always take a tour' a
-- 
Jay R. Ashworth  Baylink   j...@baylink.com
Designer The Things I Think   RFC 2100
Ashworth & Associates   http://www.bcp38.info  2000 Land Rover DII
St Petersburg FL USA  BCP38: Ask For It By Name!   +1 727 647 1274

Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Jay R. Ashworth]

- Original Message -
> From: "Chris Adams" 

> Aren't the cell-based emergency alerts on all cell phones, not just
> smartphones?

CMAS/WEA uses SMS Cell Broadcast.  I assume the SMS firmware on the phone
has to know what to do about those, and I don't know how far that knowledge
goes back in the deployment of SMS firmware, and it's all-fired difficult
to find out, IME.

Anything built in the last 4-5 years certainly should know; I've received
CMAS on phones as far back as 2009 build or so...  though I did need an app,
and I had to steal one from another carrier than my own. 

Cheers,
-- jra
-- 
Jay R. Ashworth  Baylink   j...@baylink.com
Designer The Things I Think   RFC 2100
Ashworth & Associates   http://www.bcp38.info  2000 Land Rover DII
St Petersburg FL USA  BCP38: Ask For It By Name!   +1 727 647 1274

Re: Show NOCs: OIG report: Should you charge extra for NOC tours?

[Warren Kumari]

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:49 PM Brandon Svec  wrote:
>
> Don’t dismiss and underestimate the curiousity and amazement of those who 
> have not seen such things in person.

Indeed. Not too long ago I was at the headquarters of an organization
which runs some "critical infrastructure".

In the lobby there are 5 or 6 racks behind glass, all lit up with
pretty blue lights. The racks have a bunch of Dell servers, some
multi-U copper switches, a couple of older routers, etc. The switch
lights all go blinky blinky, and the cables are all suspiciously
nicely dressed -- and in the very bottom of the last rack is an
Ixia...

Chatted with a friend who works there, and yup, the devices don't do
anything at all, and the Ixia exists purely to make das blinkenlights
blinken. The waste of power was quite sad, and we spent some time
discussing how much work it would be to rip the insides out of all of
the gear and replace it with some arduino controlled LED blinkers...
and then we got sidetracked and had lunch instead...

IIRC it was Foundry that had a few linecards that just had blinky LEDs
for use at tradeshow? -- 'tis much lighter and cheaper to ship a
chassis filled with LEDs than actual hardware...

W

>  In the San Francisco Bay Area and Silicon Valley area tourists come from 
> around the world to see signs and parking lots of places like Google, 
> Twitter, etc. it is easy for me to scoff at them, but I try not to.
>
> It is not really different than most other tourist attractions. Some are 
> amazed and curious to see the largest ball of twine and some think it is 
> ridiculous.
>
> Brandon Svec
>
>
> > On Jan 7, 2021, at 10:38 AM, Sean Donelan  wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 7 Jan 2021, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> >> almost all of this seems like ... really not worth the time for
> >> external people to bother with.
> >> which is maybe why: "Sure, you wanna visit? pay me" (Oh, now you dont'
> >> want to visit? ok, cool!)
> >
> > I'm imagining a bunch of MBA's at large carriers thinking, gee the NOC is 
> > treated as a cost center. How can we make the NOC a profit center?
> >
> > I know -- Let's sell NOC tour tickets!
> >
> >
> > On the other hand, NASA (or SpaceX) I would still go on a tour of Mission 
> > Control during a launch (geek out)
> >
> >



-- 
The computing scientist’s main challenge is not to get confused by the
complexities of his own making.
  -- E. W. Dijkstra

RE: Show NOCs: OIG report: Should you charge extra for NOC tours?

[Robert DeVita]

The NOC tours at AT and Verizon are no joke. A datacenter NOC tour or a 
smaller carrier NOC tour, ehh




Robert DeVita 
CEO & Founder



 469-581-2160

 469-441-8864
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-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of 
Brandon Svec
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:47 PM
To: nanog list 
Subject: Re: Show NOCs: OIG report: Should you charge extra for NOC tours?

Don’t dismiss and underestimate the curiousity and amazement of those who have 
not seen such things in person. In the San Francisco Bay Area and Silicon 
Valley area tourists come from around the world to see signs and parking lots 
of places like Google, Twitter, etc. it is easy for me to scoff at them, but I 
try not to. 

It is not really different than most other tourist attractions. Some are amazed 
and curious to see the largest ball of twine and some think it is ridiculous. 

Brandon Svec 


> On Jan 7, 2021, at 10:38 AM, Sean Donelan  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 7 Jan 2021, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>> almost all of this seems like ... really not worth the time for 
>> external people to bother with.
>> which is maybe why: "Sure, you wanna visit? pay me" (Oh, now you dont'
>> want to visit? ok, cool!)
> 
> I'm imagining a bunch of MBA's at large carriers thinking, gee the NOC is 
> treated as a cost center. How can we make the NOC a profit center?
> 
> I know -- Let's sell NOC tour tickets!
> 
> 
> On the other hand, NASA (or SpaceX) I would still go on a tour of 
> Mission Control during a launch (geek out)
> 
> 

Re: Show NOCs: OIG report: Should you charge extra for NOC tours?

[Brandon Svec]

Don’t dismiss and underestimate the curiousity and amazement of those who have 
not seen such things in person. In the San Francisco Bay Area and Silicon 
Valley area tourists come from around the world to see signs and parking lots 
of places like Google, Twitter, etc. it is easy for me to scoff at them, but I 
try not to. 

It is not really different than most other tourist attractions. Some are amazed 
and curious to see the largest ball of twine and some think it is ridiculous. 

Brandon Svec 


> On Jan 7, 2021, at 10:38 AM, Sean Donelan  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 7 Jan 2021, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>> almost all of this seems like ... really not worth the time for
>> external people to bother with.
>> which is maybe why: "Sure, you wanna visit? pay me" (Oh, now you dont'
>> want to visit? ok, cool!)
> 
> I'm imagining a bunch of MBA's at large carriers thinking, gee the NOC is 
> treated as a cost center. How can we make the NOC a profit center?
> 
> I know -- Let's sell NOC tour tickets!
> 
> 
> On the other hand, NASA (or SpaceX) I would still go on a tour of Mission 
> Control during a launch (geek out)
> 
> 

Re: Show NOCs: OIG report: Should you charge extra for NOC tours?

[Bill Woodcock]

> On Jan 7, 2021, at 7:31 PM, Christopher Morrow  
> wrote:
> NOC tours seem like a very 1990's thing

Cough, cough *Terremark* cough, cough *disco lights* cough cough.

-Bill



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Re: Show NOCs: OIG report: Should you charge extra for NOC tours?

[Christopher Morrow]

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:36 PM Sean Donelan  wrote:
>
> On Thu, 7 Jan 2021, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> > almost all of this seems like ... really not worth the time for
> > external people to bother with.
> > which is maybe why: "Sure, you wanna visit? pay me" (Oh, now you dont'
> > want to visit? ok, cool!)
>
> I'm imagining a bunch of MBA's at large carriers thinking, gee the NOC is
> treated as a cost center. How can we make the NOC a profit center?
>
> I know -- Let's sell NOC tour tickets!

yes, and really this ends up limiting the number of tours probably as
an outcome, so win/win.

> On the other hand, NASA (or SpaceX) I would still go on a tour of Mission
> Control during a launch (geek out)

once you pay a billion to send up some metal into space I figure you
paid for the tour :)

Re: Show NOCs: OIG report: Should you charge extra for NOC tours?

[Sean Donelan]

On Thu, 7 Jan 2021, Christopher Morrow wrote:

almost all of this seems like ... really not worth the time for
external people to bother with.
which is maybe why: "Sure, you wanna visit? pay me" (Oh, now you dont'
want to visit? ok, cool!)


I'm imagining a bunch of MBA's at large carriers thinking, gee the NOC is 
treated as a cost center. How can we make the NOC a profit center?


I know -- Let's sell NOC tour tickets!


On the other hand, NASA (or SpaceX) I would still go on a tour of Mission 
Control during a launch (geek out)

Re: Show NOCs: OIG report: Should you charge extra for NOC tours?

[Christopher Morrow]

NOC tours seem like a very 1990's thing, that and 'datacenter tours'.

"Oh you like seeing people at computers and you can't get enough of
that at your home workplace?"
"Oh, you also like cages? me too!! sometimes we put 'racks' in them...
or heavens to gertrude! 'computers'!!"

almost all of this seems like ... really not worth the time for
external people to bother with.
which is maybe why: "Sure, you wanna visit? pay me" (Oh, now you dont'
want to visit? ok, cool!)

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:09 PM Sean Donelan  wrote:
>
>
> Department of Commerce OIG review of FirstNet request to tour AT GNOC
>
>
> https://www.oversight.gov/sites/default/files/oig-reports/DOC/OIG-21-016-I.pdf
> Continued FirstNet Authority Management Attention is Needed to Address
> Control Environment Weaknesses
>
> [...]
> FirstNet Authority disagreed that the request for a GNOC tour “constituted
> a request for ‘additional contract services outside the scope of the
> contract.’” In its response, FirstNet Authority stated, “GNOC tours are
> not governed or limited by the [NPSBN] contract as these kinds of tours
> are commonplace for AT to provide to outside parties.”  However, we
> found that the contractor only offers a multi-media presentation regarding
> the GNOC at its Corporate Briefing Center. FirstNet Authority requested a
> visit and tour of the GNOC, which is neither included in the contract nor
> offered widely to the public. We reaffirm that the tour was not in the
> contract and could be viewed as exerting indirect pressure for the
> contractor to perform unreimbursed services outside the contract.
> [...]

Show NOCs: OIG report: Should you charge extra for NOC tours?

[Sean Donelan]

Department of Commerce OIG review of FirstNet request to tour AT GNOC


https://www.oversight.gov/sites/default/files/oig-reports/DOC/OIG-21-016-I.pdf
Continued FirstNet Authority Management Attention is Needed to Address 
Control Environment Weaknesses


[...]
FirstNet Authority disagreed that the request for a GNOC tour “constituted 
a request for ‘additional contract services outside the scope of the 
contract.’” In its response, FirstNet Authority stated, “GNOC tours are 
not governed or limited by the [NPSBN] contract as these kinds of tours 
are commonplace for AT to provide to outside parties.”  However, we 
found that the contractor only offers a multi-media presentation regarding 
the GNOC at its Corporate Briefing Center. FirstNet Authority requested a 
visit and tour of the GNOC, which is neither included in the contract nor 
offered widely to the public. We reaffirm that the tour was not in the 
contract and could be viewed as exerting indirect pressure for the 
contractor to perform unreimbursed services outside the contract.

[...]

Re: nike.com->nike.com/ca

[niels=nanog]

* bdant...@medline.com (Dantzig, Brian) [Thu 07 Jan 2021, 18:07 CET]:
When you send a DNS query to 8.8.8.8 it goes to the “nearest” 
resolver. Not nearest in terms of location since 8.8.8.8 is an 
anycast address and exists in many locations. It’s the BGP path to 
8.8.8.8 that determines nearest. Next, the resolver does it’s thing 
and sends a query to the akamai DNS. That DNS is probably also an 
anycast address so again, how close is it? Akamai then tries to geo 
locate you but they have the IP of Google, not you. You get an IP 
and connect to that. Everything up till now probably doesn’t matter 
as it’s probably not the DNS that is causing what you see. The IP is 
not Nike but rather an akamai proxy. When you connect to akamai 
proxy, the proxy can see your IP and may do the Geo location lookup 
and pass what it thinks as your location to the content server. When 
it gets to the content server, it may use that Geo information but 
possibly not. It’s likely it’s not the content server but a load 
balancer. In either case, they may ignore any Geo lookup done by 
akamai and try to locate the incoming IP. Well, that’s actually the 
address of the akamai proxy. Hopefully the developers thought of 
this and had akamai pass your IP in a header and geo locate on that. 
It’s probably the content server that is sending an HTTP redirect to 
get you to the “/ca” location on the site.


I checked off list with Becki Kain and Akamai's geolocation is not 
placing her in Canada. I can't speculate as to what company Nike would 
be using for its decision to redirect to /ca on its website.



-- Niels.

Re: nike.com->nike.com/ca

[Dantzig, Brian]

When you send a DNS query to 8.8.8.8 it goes to the “nearest” resolver. Not 
nearest in terms of location since 8.8.8.8 is an anycast address and exists in 
many locations. It’s the BGP path to 8.8.8.8 that determines nearest. Next, the 
resolver does it’s thing and sends a query to the akamai DNS. That DNS is 
probably also an anycast address so again, how close is it? Akamai then tries 
to geo locate you but they have the IP of Google, not you. You get an IP and 
connect to that. Everything up till now probably doesn’t matter as it’s 
probably not the DNS that is causing what you see. The IP is not Nike but 
rather an akamai proxy. When you connect to akamai proxy, the proxy can see 
your IP and may do the Geo location lookup and pass what it thinks as your 
location to the content server. When it gets to the content server, it may use 
that Geo information but possibly not. It’s likely it’s not the content server 
but a load balancer. In either case, they may ignore any Geo lookup done by 
akamai and try to locate the incoming IP. Well, that’s actually the address of 
the akamai proxy. Hopefully the developers thought of this and had akamai pass 
your IP in a header and geo locate on that. It’s probably the content server 
that is sending an HTTP redirect to get you to the “/ca” location on the site.

So there can be as many as 4 different times you are being geo-located. Which 
on actually matters is difficult to tell. Assuming Nike did a good job, it’s 
probably the Akamai proxy going the geo-locate and the code on the content 
server is consuming that and redirecting you to the location specific part of 
the site.


[Medline_Signiture2]



Brian Dantzig
Senior Network Engineer
Information Services
Medline Industries, Inc.
www.medline.com


Office:  +1-847-837-2795
Mobile:+1-847-276-7169
bdant...@medline.com





From: NANOG  on behalf of Mike 
Hammett 
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 7:40 AM
To: "Becki Kain (.)" 
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" 
Subject: Re: nike.com->nike.com/ca

CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click 
links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content 
is safe.

Don't use other people's recursive DNS servers.


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From: "Becki Kain (.)" 
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:41:20 PM
Subject: nike.com->nike.com/ca
At home, using 8.8.8.8, if I goto 

Gasline Telecom DE Contact

[Rod Beck]

Please provide your details. I need a good sales rep.

Regards,

Roderick.


Roderick Beck

VP of Business Development

United Cable Company

www.unitedcablecompany.com

New York City & Budapest

rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com

Budapest: 36-70-605-5144

NJ: 908-452-8183


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Re: nike.com->nike.com/ca

[Mike Hammett]

Don't use other people's recursive DNS servers. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Becki Kain (.)"  
To: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:41:20 PM 
Subject: nike.com->nike.com/ca 



At home, using 8.8.8.8, if I goto www.nike.com , I get rerouted to nike.com/ca. 
I cleared the dns cache (I’m running Catalina macos) and rebooted just because. 
Anyone else seen a weirdism on this? thanks 

Becki in Detroit 

Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Rich Kulawiec]

On Thu, Jan 07, 2021 at 01:27:07AM +1300, Mark Foster wrote:
> I respect this in principle, but hyperbole serves no-one - a smartphone
> only creates a "morass of privacy/security issues" if you let it.

You can't be serious.  Have you paid *any* attention to what's been
going on in this ecosystem for the past N years?  It's not as bad as the
raging dumpsterfire in the IoT, but it's still bad.

Why would I want to give myself security/privacy issues (that I currently
don't have and thus don't need to solve/manage on an ongoing basis) in
exchange for functionality I don't need or want?

> A basic smartphone can be had for less than $100 USD, which would give
> you calling, text messaging and emergency alerts.

It would also give me a much less sturdy device and one that chews up its
battery doing things that I have no use for.  I [sometimes] use my phone
for critical communications in hostile environments, so anything that
doesn't increase the probability that it will work is just baggage.
And as a bonus it would cost me more every time I lose or destroy one.

---rsk