Re: Perhaps it's time to think about enhancements to the NANOG list...?

[Eric Kuhnke]

Perhaps the sales, marketing and 'business development' people who've never
typed "enable" or "configure" into a router a single day in their lives
might be better served with a dedicated list that is mission focused on
bizdev, and not operational issues.



On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 3:29 PM Matthew Petach 
wrote:

>
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:37 AM Tom Beecher  wrote:
>
>> CC back to the mailing list for visibility, since I ate the CC list.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 1:31 PM Tom Beecher  wrote:
>>
>>> Rod-
>>>
>>> Please refer to the usage guidelines found here.
>>> https://nanog.org/resources/usage-guidelines/
>>>
>>> 14. Posts that encourage or facilitate an agreement about the following
 subjects are inappropriate: prices, discounts, or terms or conditions of
 sale; salaries; benefits, profits, profit margins, or cost data; market
 shares, sales territories, or markets; allocation of customers or
 territories; or selection, rejection, or termination of customers or
 suppliers.
>>>
>>>
>>>  I would tend to agree that while most of your posts to the list are
>>> within the guidelines, there have been occasions where a reasonable person
>>> could think you might be skirting the line a bit. In this case :
>>>
>>> - Your company works as a broker to procure capacity for others.
>>> - You sent an email to the list that wording wise would be exactly the
>>> same as many of us might send to someone they were looking for capacity
>>> from.
>>>
>>> I think most would agree this is pretty clearly against both the usage
>>> guidelines and the spirit of what this mailing list is about.
>>>
>>> I would also like to remind you that this list is administered by the
>>> NANOG organization. You have no authority to tell others to 'cease and
>>> desist', and insult someone as 'underemployed' is also not well tolerated
>>> here.
>>>
>>> I have looped in the list admins here. It would probably be a good idea
>>> to refrain from future messages that are clearly commercial in nature, or
>>> that contain unnecessary insults.
>>>
>>
>
>
> If only we had some way to segregate out different topics
> of interest or disinterest, so that people who weren't interested
> in questions about bandwidth availability could unsubscribe
> from those topics, and only subscribe to the topics that *did*
> interest them...
>
> #AFewDaysTooEarly
>
> ^_^;;
>
> Matt
>
>
>

Perhaps it's time to think about enhancements to the NANOG list...?

[Matthew Petach]

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:37 AM Tom Beecher  wrote:

> CC back to the mailing list for visibility, since I ate the CC list.
>
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 1:31 PM Tom Beecher  wrote:
>
>> Rod-
>>
>> Please refer to the usage guidelines found here.
>> https://nanog.org/resources/usage-guidelines/
>>
>> 14. Posts that encourage or facilitate an agreement about the following
>>> subjects are inappropriate: prices, discounts, or terms or conditions of
>>> sale; salaries; benefits, profits, profit margins, or cost data; market
>>> shares, sales territories, or markets; allocation of customers or
>>> territories; or selection, rejection, or termination of customers or
>>> suppliers.
>>
>>
>>  I would tend to agree that while most of your posts to the list are
>> within the guidelines, there have been occasions where a reasonable person
>> could think you might be skirting the line a bit. In this case :
>>
>> - Your company works as a broker to procure capacity for others.
>> - You sent an email to the list that wording wise would be exactly the
>> same as many of us might send to someone they were looking for capacity
>> from.
>>
>> I think most would agree this is pretty clearly against both the usage
>> guidelines and the spirit of what this mailing list is about.
>>
>> I would also like to remind you that this list is administered by the
>> NANOG organization. You have no authority to tell others to 'cease and
>> desist', and insult someone as 'underemployed' is also not well tolerated
>> here.
>>
>> I have looped in the list admins here. It would probably be a good idea
>> to refrain from future messages that are clearly commercial in nature, or
>> that contain unnecessary insults.
>>
>


If only we had some way to segregate out different topics
of interest or disinterest, so that people who weren't interested
in questions about bandwidth availability could unsubscribe
from those topics, and only subscribe to the topics that *did*
interest them...

#AFewDaysTooEarly

^_^;;

Matt

Re: APG: 100 Gig Wave: Singapore/TY3

[Rod Beck]

Thanks, Mehmet, you are the champ! 😃


From: Mehmet Akcin 
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 9:40 PM
To: Rod Beck 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
Subject: Re: APG: 100 Gig Wave: Singapore/TY3

There is no capacity issue on this cable. The way this cable operates is that 
it’s segmented and not everyone has access to every segment. For Singapore to 
TY3 Starhub is your best choice (and possibly only) to work with. NTT has also 
capacity but they are extremely hard to get in touch and get paperwork (like 
kmz, etc) with. Starhub is simple(r-ish)..



On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 07:56 Rod Beck 
mailto:rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com>> wrote:
Again, capacity is really due to video providers snapping everything up left 
and right.

Need help. Off list, please.


Roderick Beck

Global Network Capacity Procurement

United Cable Company

www.unitedcablecompany.com
https://unitedcablecompany.com/video/
New York City & Budapest

rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com

Budapest: 36-70-605-5144

NJ: 908-452-8183



[1467221477350_image005.png]

--
Mehmet
+1-424-298-1903

Re: APG: 100 Gig Wave: Singapore/TY3

[Lady Benjamin Cannon]

I have a great relationship with NTT if anyone needs help.

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
l...@6by7.net
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”

FCC License KJ6FJJ

Sent from my iPhone via RFC1149.

> On Mar 18, 2021, at 1:40 PM, Mehmet Akcin  wrote:
> 
> 
> There is no capacity issue on this cable. The way this cable operates is that 
> it’s segmented and not everyone has access to every segment. For Singapore to 
> TY3 Starhub is your best choice (and possibly only) to work with. NTT has 
> also capacity but they are extremely hard to get in touch and get paperwork 
> (like kmz, etc) with. Starhub is simple(r-ish)..
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 07:56 Rod Beck  
>> wrote:
>> Again, capacity is really due to video providers snapping everything up left 
>> and right. 
>> 
>> Need help. Off list, please. 
>> 
>> Roderick Beck
>> Global Network Capacity Procurement
>> United Cable Company
>> www.unitedcablecompany.com
>> https://unitedcablecompany.com/video/
>> New York City & Budapest
>> rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com
>> Budapest: 36-70-605-5144
>> NJ: 908-452-8183 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> -- 
> Mehmet
> +1-424-298-1903

Re: APG: 100 Gig Wave: Singapore/TY3

[Mehmet Akcin]

There is no capacity issue on this cable. The way this cable operates is
that it’s segmented and not everyone has access to every segment. For
Singapore to TY3 Starhub is your best choice (and possibly only) to work
with. NTT has also capacity but they are extremely hard to get in touch and
get paperwork (like kmz, etc) with. Starhub is simple(r-ish)..



On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 07:56 Rod Beck 
wrote:

> Again, capacity is really due to video providers snapping everything up
> left and right.
>
> Need help. Off list, please.
>
> Roderick Beck
> Global Network Capacity Procurement
>
> United Cable Company
> www.unitedcablecompany.com
> https://unitedcablecompany.com/video/
> New York City & Budapest
>
> rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com
>
> Budapest: 36-70-605-5144
>
> NJ: 908-452-8183
>
>
>
> [image: 1467221477350_image005.png]
>
-- 
Mehmet
+1-424-298-1903

Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave

[Mehmet Akcin]

You can reach out Telekom Malaysia, or Starhub they can help you with
capacity on this route.

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 07:51 Rod Beck 
wrote:

> This cable is tapped out and I need a 100 gig wave from Hong Kong to
> Singapore. 3 year term.
>
> Roderick Beck
> Global Network Capacity Procurement
>
> United Cable Company
> www.unitedcablecompany.com
> https://unitedcablecompany.com/video/
> New York City & Budapest
>
> rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com
>
> Budapest: 36-70-605-5144
>
> NJ: 908-452-8183
>
>
>
> [image: 1467221477350_image005.png]
>
-- 
Mehmet
+1-424-298-1903

Re: Saudi Arabia

[J. Hellenthal via NANOG]

ROFL 

-- 
 J. Hellenthal

The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a 
lot about anticipated traffic volume.

> On Mar 18, 2021, at 11:54, Randy Bush  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> https://www.itc.sa/en/
> 
> mehmet, you actually answered rod's question.  that is not allowed on
> the nanog list.  you need to start a 20 message thread excoriating him
> for asking for actual operational help finding a circuit in a difficult
> place.
> 
> what is this world coming to?  sheesh!
> 
> randy
> 
> ---
> ra...@psg.com
> `gpg --locate-external-keys --auto-key-locate wkd ra...@psg.com`
> signatures are back, thanks to dmarc header butchery

Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave

[Tom Beecher]

CC back to the mailing list for visibility, since I ate the CC list.

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 1:31 PM Tom Beecher  wrote:

> Rod-
>
> Please refer to the usage guidelines found here.
> https://nanog.org/resources/usage-guidelines/
>
> 14. Posts that encourage or facilitate an agreement about the following
>> subjects are inappropriate: prices, discounts, or terms or conditions of
>> sale; salaries; benefits, profits, profit margins, or cost data; market
>> shares, sales territories, or markets; allocation of customers or
>> territories; or selection, rejection, or termination of customers or
>> suppliers.
>
>
>  I would tend to agree that while most of your posts to the list are
> within the guidelines, there have been occasions where a reasonable person
> could think you might be skirting the line a bit. In this case :
>
> - Your company works as a broker to procure capacity for others.
> - You sent an email to the list that wording wise would be exactly the
> same as many of us might send to someone they were looking for capacity
> from.
>
> I think most would agree this is pretty clearly against both the usage
> guidelines and the spirit of what this mailing list is about.
>
> I would also like to remind you that this list is administered by the
> NANOG organization. You have no authority to tell others to 'cease and
> desist', and insult someone as 'underemployed' is also not well tolerated
> here.
>
> I have looped in the list admins here. It would probably be a good idea to
> refrain from future messages that are clearly commercial in nature, or that
> contain unnecessary insults.
>
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 11:28 AM Rod Beck 
> wrote:
>
>> Actually, that language was intended to prohibit soliciting business and
>> not asking for help. I have some hard words to describe like Shane Ronan,
>> but I will forbear.
>>
>> I suggest you cease and desist before this gets ugly. Obviously you are
>> underemployed.
>>
>> Get some work to do.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> -R.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* sro...@ronan-online.com 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 18, 2021 4:24 PM
>> *To:* Rod Beck ; NANOG Operators' Group
>> 
>> *Cc:* Shane Ronan 
>> *Subject:* Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave
>>
>> Please review the Mailing List policies which specifically prohibit
>> commercial discussions on the list. I would ask the list moderators to
>> chime in here please
>>
>> Shane
>>
>> On Mar 18, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Rod Beck 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> People post requests all the time. You are free to block me. And I know
>> the majority of uses disagree with you.
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Shane Ronan 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 18, 2021 4:11 PM
>> *To:* Rod Beck 
>> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org 
>> *Subject:* Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave
>>
>> NANOG is not a service for receiving details on cable paths for
>> commercial purposes. Please find somewhere else to collect this information.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:54 AM Rod Beck <
>> rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com> wrote:
>>
>> This cable is tapped out and I need a 100 gig wave from Hong Kong to
>> Singapore. 3 year term.
>>
>> Roderick Beck
>> Global Network Capacity Procurement
>>
>> United Cable Company
>> www.unitedcablecompany.com
>> https://unitedcablecompany.com/video/
>> New York City & Budapest
>>
>> rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com
>>
>> Budapest: 36-70-605-5144
>>
>> NJ: 908-452-8183
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: 1467221477350_image005.png]
>>
>>

Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave

[sronan]

A quick search shows the OP made 10 similar posts in just the month of March, 
which is what prompted by complaint.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 18, 2021, at 12:43 PM, Mark Tinka  wrote:
> 
>  
> 
>> On 3/18/21 18:11, William Herrin wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Yes and no. "Would you help me identify who does cable between A and B?" may 
>> be on topic. "I'm soliciting bids for X" is certainly not. The "three year 
>> term" statement pushed you solidly into the latter.
> 
> Tend to agree with this.
> 
> Asking what's available is cool. Full on procurement bits, less so...
> 
> Mark.

Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave

[Mark Tinka]

On 3/18/21 18:09, JASON BOTHE via NANOG wrote:

I doubt that. You’ve been at it for months with requests all over the 
world. It was only a matter of time before someone said something.


I'm in two minds about this... I'm on & off NANOG, so have no 
recollection of the OP "doing this" more than once.


I think a NOG list is appropriate for finding out where network may 
exist, especially if locations may be hard. It's (not so) often that 
there is the odd request about network into Africa. Never quite paid 
attention to whether those requests come with commercial bits or not, 
but if they do, I'd just ignore those anyway.


The OP's question seems alright to me. I can see why the contract term 
may tickle folk, but I'd just ignore that and consider the preceding 
protein that matters to NANOG.


There's a lot of capital on this group. What else is it for if not to 
find out where one can get network?


Mark.

Re: Saudi Arabia

[Mehmet Akcin]

Thank you for reminder. I didn’t realize i hit reply all.

Sorry all.

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 09:52 Randy Bush  wrote:

> > https://www.itc.sa/en/
>
> mehmet, you actually answered rod's question.  that is not allowed on
> the nanog list.  you need to start a 20 message thread excoriating him
> for asking for actual operational help finding a circuit in a difficult
> place.
>
> what is this world coming to?  sheesh!
>
> randy
>
> ---
> ra...@psg.com
> `gpg --locate-external-keys --auto-key-locate wkd ra...@psg.com`
> signatures are back, thanks to dmarc header butchery
>
-- 
Mehmet
+1-424-298-1903

Re: Saudi Arabia

[Randy Bush]

> https://www.itc.sa/en/

mehmet, you actually answered rod's question.  that is not allowed on
the nanog list.  you need to start a 20 message thread excoriating him
for asking for actual operational help finding a circuit in a difficult
place.

what is this world coming to?  sheesh!

randy

---
ra...@psg.com
`gpg --locate-external-keys --auto-key-locate wkd ra...@psg.com`
signatures are back, thanks to dmarc header butchery

Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave

[Mark Tinka]

On 3/18/21 18:11, William Herrin wrote:



Yes and no. "Would you help me identify who does cable between A and 
B?" may be on topic. "I'm soliciting bids for X" is certainly not. The 
"three year term" statement pushed you solidly into the latter.


Tend to agree with this.

Asking what's available is cool. Full on procurement bits, less so...

Mark.

Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave

[William Herrin]

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 8:28 AM Rod Beck 
wrote:

> Actually, that language was intended to prohibit soliciting business and
> not asking for help.
>

Hi Rod,

Yes and no. "Would you help me identify who does cable between A and B?"
may be on topic. "I'm soliciting bids for X" is certainly not. The "three
year term" statement pushed you solidly into the latter.

Regards,
Bill Herrin


-- 
William Herrin
b...@herrin.us

https://bill.herrin.us/

Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave

[sronan]

A very different and more appropriate list for the OP’s posts than NANOG.

I have nothing to prove other than improving the quality of posts to the 
mailing list.

> On Mar 18, 2021, at 12:06 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> 
> I see we've got the big swingers out today. Everyone's got something to prove.
> 
> 
> That was one thing I liked about the old ISP-Bandwidth list. That's pretty 
> much what all of the conversation was, trying to find quotes on services. I 
> didn't order anything from there, but it was nice being a fly on the wall.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
> 
> From: "Shane Ronan" 
> To: "Rod Beck" 
> Cc: "NANOG Operators' Group" 
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 10:57:38 AM
> Subject: Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave
> 
> Far from underemployed and I'm not worried about it getting ugly, in fact, my 
> next email will be to Eric Gutshall to complain about being threatened 
> publicly by one of his employees. 
> 
> I don't think this will end well for you.
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 11:27 AM Rod Beck  
>> wrote:
>> Actually, that language was intended to prohibit soliciting business and not 
>> asking for help. I have some hard words to describe like Shane Ronan, but I 
>> will forbear. 
>> 
>> I suggest you cease and desist before this gets ugly. Obviously you are 
>> underemployed. 
>> 
>> Get some work to do. 
>> 
>> Best, 
>> 
>> -R. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: sro...@ronan-online.com 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 4:24 PM
>> To: Rod Beck ; NANOG Operators' Group 
>> 
>> Cc: Shane Ronan 
>> Subject: Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave
>>  
>> Please review the Mailing List policies which specifically prohibit 
>> commercial discussions on the list. I would ask the list moderators to chime 
>> in here please
>> 
>> Shane
>> 
>> On Mar 18, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Rod Beck  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> People post requests all the time. You are free to block me. And I know the 
>> majority of uses disagree with you. 
>> 
>> From: Shane Ronan 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 4:11 PM
>> To: Rod Beck 
>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
>> Subject: Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave
>>  
>> NANOG is not a service for receiving details on cable paths for commercial 
>> purposes. Please find somewhere else to collect this information.
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:54 AM Rod Beck  
>> wrote:
>> This cable is tapped out and I need a 100 gig wave from Hong Kong to 
>> Singapore. 3 year term. 
>> 
>> Roderick Beck
>> Global Network Capacity Procurement
>> United Cable Company
>> www.unitedcablecompany.com
>> https://unitedcablecompany.com/video/
>> New York City & Budapest
>> rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com
>> Budapest: 36-70-605-5144
>> NJ: 908-452-8183 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave

[JASON BOTHE via NANOG]

I doubt that. You’ve been at it for months with requests all over the world. It 
was only a matter of time before someone said something. 

> On Mar 18, 2021, at 10:34, Rod Beck  wrote:
> 
> 
> And by the way, it would not be making these requests if there was not a 
> severe capacity shortage in the Pacific. I don't like telegraph what I am 
> doing, Shane. 
> 
> From: NANOG  on 
> behalf of Rod Beck 
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 4:27 PM
> To: sro...@ronan-online.com ; NANOG Operators' Group 
> 
> Cc: Shane Ronan 
> Subject: Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave
>  
> Actually, that language was intended to prohibit soliciting business and not 
> asking for help. I have some hard words to describe like Shane Ronan, but I 
> will forbear. 
> 
> I suggest you cease and desist before this gets ugly. Obviously you are 
> underemployed. 
> 
> Get some work to do. 
> 
> Best, 
> 
> -R. 
> 
> 
> 
> From: sro...@ronan-online.com 
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 4:24 PM
> To: Rod Beck ; NANOG Operators' Group 
> 
> Cc: Shane Ronan 
> Subject: Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave
>  
> Please review the Mailing List policies which specifically prohibit 
> commercial discussions on the list. I would ask the list moderators to chime 
> in here please
> 
> Shane
> 
>>> On Mar 18, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Rod Beck  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> People post requests all the time. You are free to block me. And I know the 
>> majority of uses disagree with you. 
>> 
>> From: Shane Ronan 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 4:11 PM
>> To: Rod Beck 
>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
>> Subject: Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave
>>  
>> NANOG is not a service for receiving details on cable paths for commercial 
>> purposes. Please find somewhere else to collect this information.
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:54 AM Rod Beck  
>> wrote:
>> This cable is tapped out and I need a 100 gig wave from Hong Kong to 
>> Singapore. 3 year term. 
>> 
>> Roderick Beck
>> Global Network Capacity Procurement
>> United Cable Company
>> www.unitedcablecompany.com
>> https://unitedcablecompany.com/video/
>> New York City & Budapest
>> rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com
>> Budapest: 36-70-605-5144
>> NJ: 908-452-8183 
>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave

[Mike Hammett]

I see we've got the big swingers out today. Everyone's got something to prove. 


That was one thing I liked about the old ISP-Bandwidth list. That's pretty much 
what all of the conversation was, trying to find quotes on services. I didn't 
order anything from there, but it was nice being a fly on the wall. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Shane Ronan"  
To: "Rod Beck"  
Cc: "NANOG Operators' Group"  
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 10:57:38 AM 
Subject: Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave 


Far from underemployed and I'm not worried about it getting ugly, in fact, my 
next email will be to Eric Gutshall to complain about being threatened publicly 
by one of his employees. 


I don't think this will end well for you. 


On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 11:27 AM Rod Beck < rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com > 
wrote: 




Actually, that language was intended to prohibit soliciting business and not 
asking for help. I have some hard words to describe like Shane Ronan, but I 
will forbear. 



I suggest you cease and desist before this gets ugly. Obviously you are 
underemployed. 



Get some work to do. 



Best, 



-R. 










From: sro...@ronan-online.com < sro...@ronan-online.com > 
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 4:24 PM 
To: Rod Beck < rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com >; NANOG Operators' Group < 
nanog@nanog.org > 
Cc: Shane Ronan < sh...@ronan-online.com > 
Subject: Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave 

Please review the Mailing List policies which specifically prohibit commercial 
discussions on the list. I would ask the list moderators to chime in here 
please 


Shane 



On Mar 18, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Rod Beck < rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com > 
wrote: 








People post requests all the time. You are free to block me. And I know the 
majority of uses disagree with you. 




From: Shane Ronan < sh...@ronan-online.com > 
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 4:11 PM 
To: Rod Beck < rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com > 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org < nanog@nanog.org > 
Subject: Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave 


NANOG is not a service for receiving details on cable paths for commercial 
purposes. Please find somewhere else to collect this information. 


On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:54 AM Rod Beck < rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com > 
wrote: 




This cable is tapped out and I need a 100 gig wave from Hong Kong to Singapore. 
3 year term. 











Roderick Beck Global Network Capacity Procurement 

United Cable Company www.unitedcablecompany.com 
https://unitedcablecompany.com/video/ 

New York City & Budapest 


rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com 
Budapest: 36-70-605-5144 
NJ: 908-452-8183 




1467221477350_image005.png

Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave

[Shane Ronan]

Far from underemployed and I'm not worried about it getting ugly, in fact,
my next email will be to Eric Gutshall to complain about being threatened
publicly by one of his employees.

I don't think this will end well for you.

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 11:27 AM Rod Beck 
wrote:

> Actually, that language was intended to prohibit soliciting business and
> not asking for help. I have some hard words to describe like Shane Ronan,
> but I will forbear.
>
> I suggest you cease and desist before this gets ugly. Obviously you are
> underemployed.
>
> Get some work to do.
>
> Best,
>
> -R.
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* sro...@ronan-online.com 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 18, 2021 4:24 PM
> *To:* Rod Beck ; NANOG Operators' Group <
> nanog@nanog.org>
> *Cc:* Shane Ronan 
> *Subject:* Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave
>
> Please review the Mailing List policies which specifically prohibit
> commercial discussions on the list. I would ask the list moderators to
> chime in here please
>
> Shane
>
> On Mar 18, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Rod Beck 
> wrote:
>
> 
> People post requests all the time. You are free to block me. And I know
> the majority of uses disagree with you.
>
> --
> *From:* Shane Ronan 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 18, 2021 4:11 PM
> *To:* Rod Beck 
> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org 
> *Subject:* Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave
>
> NANOG is not a service for receiving details on cable paths for commercial
> purposes. Please find somewhere else to collect this information.
>
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:54 AM Rod Beck 
> wrote:
>
> This cable is tapped out and I need a 100 gig wave from Hong Kong to
> Singapore. 3 year term.
>
> Roderick Beck
> Global Network Capacity Procurement
>
> United Cable Company
> www.unitedcablecompany.com
> https://unitedcablecompany.com/video/
> New York City & Budapest
>
> rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com
>
> Budapest: 36-70-605-5144
>
> NJ: 908-452-8183
>
>
>
> [image: 1467221477350_image005.png]
>
>

Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave

[Rod Beck]

And by the way, it would not be making these requests if there was not a severe 
capacity shortage in the Pacific. I don't like telegraph what I am doing, Shane.


From: NANOG  on behalf 
of Rod Beck 
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 4:27 PM
To: sro...@ronan-online.com ; NANOG Operators' Group 

Cc: Shane Ronan 
Subject: Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave

Actually, that language was intended to prohibit soliciting business and not 
asking for help. I have some hard words to describe like Shane Ronan, but I 
will forbear.

I suggest you cease and desist before this gets ugly. Obviously you are 
underemployed.

Get some work to do.

Best,

-R.




From: sro...@ronan-online.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 4:24 PM
To: Rod Beck ; NANOG Operators' Group 

Cc: Shane Ronan 
Subject: Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave

Please review the Mailing List policies which specifically prohibit commercial 
discussions on the list. I would ask the list moderators to chime in here please

Shane

On Mar 18, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Rod Beck  wrote:


People post requests all the time. You are free to block me. And I know the 
majority of uses disagree with you.


From: Shane Ronan 
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 4:11 PM
To: Rod Beck 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
Subject: Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave

NANOG is not a service for receiving details on cable paths for commercial 
purposes. Please find somewhere else to collect this information.

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:54 AM Rod Beck 
mailto:rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com>> wrote:
This cable is tapped out and I need a 100 gig wave from Hong Kong to Singapore. 
3 year term.


Roderick Beck

Global Network Capacity Procurement

United Cable Company

www.unitedcablecompany.com
https://unitedcablecompany.com/video/
New York City & Budapest

rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com

Budapest: 36-70-605-5144

NJ: 908-452-8183



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Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave

[Rod Beck]

Actually, that language was intended to prohibit soliciting business and not 
asking for help. I have some hard words to describe like Shane Ronan, but I 
will forbear.

I suggest you cease and desist before this gets ugly. Obviously you are 
underemployed.

Get some work to do.

Best,

-R.




From: sro...@ronan-online.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 4:24 PM
To: Rod Beck ; NANOG Operators' Group 

Cc: Shane Ronan 
Subject: Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave

Please review the Mailing List policies which specifically prohibit commercial 
discussions on the list. I would ask the list moderators to chime in here please

Shane

On Mar 18, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Rod Beck  wrote:


People post requests all the time. You are free to block me. And I know the 
majority of uses disagree with you.


From: Shane Ronan 
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 4:11 PM
To: Rod Beck 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
Subject: Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave

NANOG is not a service for receiving details on cable paths for commercial 
purposes. Please find somewhere else to collect this information.

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:54 AM Rod Beck 
mailto:rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com>> wrote:
This cable is tapped out and I need a 100 gig wave from Hong Kong to Singapore. 
3 year term.


Roderick Beck

Global Network Capacity Procurement

United Cable Company

www.unitedcablecompany.com
https://unitedcablecompany.com/video/
New York City & Budapest

rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com

Budapest: 36-70-605-5144

NJ: 908-452-8183



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Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave

[sronan]

Please review the Mailing List policies which specifically prohibit commercial 
discussions on the list. I would ask the list moderators to chime in here please

Shane

> On Mar 18, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Rod Beck  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> People post requests all the time. You are free to block me. And I know the 
> majority of uses disagree with you. 
> 
> From: Shane Ronan 
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 4:11 PM
> To: Rod Beck 
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
> Subject: Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave
>  
> NANOG is not a service for receiving details on cable paths for commercial 
> purposes. Please find somewhere else to collect this information.
> 
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:54 AM Rod Beck  
> wrote:
> This cable is tapped out and I need a 100 gig wave from Hong Kong to 
> Singapore. 3 year term. 
> 
> Roderick Beck
> Global Network Capacity Procurement
> United Cable Company
> www.unitedcablecompany.com
> https://unitedcablecompany.com/video/
> New York City & Budapest
> rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com
> Budapest: 36-70-605-5144
> NJ: 908-452-8183 
> 
> 
> 

Re: ASE - 100 Gig Wave

[Shane Ronan]

NANOG is not a service for receiving details on cable paths for commercial
purposes. Please find somewhere else to collect this information.

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:54 AM Rod Beck 
wrote:

> This cable is tapped out and I need a 100 gig wave from Hong Kong to
> Singapore. 3 year term.
>
> Roderick Beck
> Global Network Capacity Procurement
>
> United Cable Company
> www.unitedcablecompany.com
> https://unitedcablecompany.com/video/
> New York City & Budapest
>
> rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com
>
> Budapest: 36-70-605-5144
>
> NJ: 908-452-8183
>
>
>
> [image: 1467221477350_image005.png]
>

APG: 100 Gig Wave: Singapore/TY3

[Rod Beck]

Again, capacity is really due to video providers snapping everything up left 
and right.

Need help. Off list, please.


Roderick Beck

Global Network Capacity Procurement

United Cable Company

www.unitedcablecompany.com
https://unitedcablecompany.com/video/
New York City & Budapest

rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com

Budapest: 36-70-605-5144

NJ: 908-452-8183



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ASE - 100 Gig Wave

[Rod Beck]

This cable is tapped out and I need a 100 gig wave from Hong Kong to Singapore. 
3 year term.


Roderick Beck

Global Network Capacity Procurement

United Cable Company

www.unitedcablecompany.com
https://unitedcablecompany.com/video/
New York City & Budapest

rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com

Budapest: 36-70-605-5144

NJ: 908-452-8183



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Re: Saudi Arabia

[Rod Beck]

Thanks, Mehmet. That is very helpful.

-R.


From: Mehmet Akcin 
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 3:14 PM
To: Rod Beck 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
Subject: Re: Saudi Arabia

https://www.itc.sa/en/

They are great to work with.

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 03:24 Rod Beck 
mailto:rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com>> wrote:
Hi,

I've received a request to put a circuit into a Riyadh financial exchange. Any 
thoughts on how to get back haul from the AAE1 cable landing station would be 
appreciated.

Off-list is best. 🙂


Roderick Beck

Global Network Capacity Procurement

United Cable Company

www.unitedcablecompany.com
https://unitedcablecompany.com/video/
New York City & Budapest

rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com

Budapest: 36-70-605-5144

NJ: 908-452-8183



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--
Mehmet
+1-424-298-1903

Re: Saudi Arabia

[Mehmet Akcin]

https://www.itc.sa/en/

They are great to work with.

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 03:24 Rod Beck 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've received a request to put a circuit into a Riyadh financial exchange.
> Any thoughts on how to get back haul from the AAE1 cable landing station
> would be appreciated.
>
> Off-list is best. 🙂
>
> Roderick Beck
> Global Network Capacity Procurement
>
> United Cable Company
> www.unitedcablecompany.com
> https://unitedcablecompany.com/video/
> New York City & Budapest
>
> rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com
>
> Budapest: 36-70-605-5144
>
> NJ: 908-452-8183
>
>
>
> [image: 1467221477350_image005.png]
>
-- 
Mehmet
+1-424-298-1903

Saudi Arabia

[Rod Beck]

Hi,

I've received a request to put a circuit into a Riyadh financial exchange. Any 
thoughts on how to get back haul from the AAE1 cable landing station would be 
appreciated.

Off-list is best. 🙂


Roderick Beck

Global Network Capacity Procurement

United Cable Company

www.unitedcablecompany.com
https://unitedcablecompany.com/video/
New York City & Budapest

rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com

Budapest: 36-70-605-5144

NJ: 908-452-8183



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