Re: ICANN Response (Re: Ukraine request yikes)
https://www.icrc.org/en Convention (V) respecting the Rights and Duties of Neutral Powers and Persons in Case of War on Land. The Hague, 18 October 1907. CHAPTER I : THE RIGHTS AND DUTIES OF NEUTRAL POWERS - ART. 8. Art. 8. A neutral Power is not called upon to forbid or restrict the use on behalf of the belligerents of telegraph or telephone cables or of wireless telegraphy apparatus belonging to it or to companies or private individuals. CHAPTER I : THE RIGHTS AND DUTIES OF NEUTRAL POWERS - ART. 9. Art. 9. Every measure of restriction or prohibition taken by a neutral Power in regard to the matters referred to in Articles 7 and 8 must be impartially applied by it to both belligerents. A neutral Power must see to the same obligation being observed by companies or private individuals owning telegraph or telephone cables or wireless telegraphy apparatus. [not an international relations lawyer]
Saw 40-45% packet loss on both Lumen and ATT MPLS backbones
Wondering anyone else noticed it and the loss lasted approx 10 mins. I am wondering if one of our routers misbehaved or was there an actual SP loss?
Re: Starlink terminals deployed in Ukraine
On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 07:17 Dorn Hetzel wrote: > One hopes there is some respectable, perhaps even paranoid, encryption on > his control functions. > >> Talk about timely! We just had a very nice presentation about this in Austin: https://storage.googleapis.com/site-media-prod/meetings/NANOG84/2479/20220215_Coggin_Pwned_In_Space_v1.pdf https://youtu.be/fCVs3VKUyJ8 I'd link to the abstract itself if I could, but it looks like the mobile view of the nanog site won't let me do that. ^_^; Matt
Re: ICANN Response (Re: Ukraine request yikes)
John, Thank you for these. I'm glad to hear the stance on both of these. Brian From: NANOG on behalf of John Curran Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2022 5:04 AM To: Nanog Subject: ICANN Response (Re: Ukraine request yikes) ICANN response request from the Ukraine regarding various DNS interventions – https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-fedorov-02mar22-en.pdf FYI, /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers On 2 Mar 2022, at 1:01 AM, John Curran mailto:jcur...@arin.net>> wrote: Regarding the portion of the request to the RIPE NCC to withdraw the relevant Russia registered IP address blocks, it appears that the RIPE NCC has reiterated their position on such disputes - https://www.ripe.net/publications/news/announcements/ripe-ncc-executive-board-resolution-on-provision-of-critical-services FYI, /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers On 1 Mar 2022, at 3:25 AM, Ryan Hamel mailto:administra...@rkhtech.org>> wrote: It’s already spread to the news - https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ukraine-icann-russia-internet-runet-disconnection-1314278/ Ryan From: NANOG mailto:nanog-bounces+ryan=rkhtech@nanog.org>> On Behalf Of George Herbert Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 12:17 AM To: Nanog mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: Ukraine request yikes Posted by Bill Woodcock on Twitter… https://twitter.com/woodyatpch/status/1498472865301098500?s=21 https://pastebin.com/DLbmYahS Ukraine (I think I read as) want ICANN to turn root nameservers off, revoke address delegations, and turn off TLDs for Russia. Seems… instability creating… -george Sent from my iPhone
Re: Starlink terminals deployed in Ukraine
One hopes there is some respectable, perhaps even paranoid, encryption on his control functions. On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 6:41 PM Mike wrote: > You guys are missing the obvious. Russia isn't going to attack starlink in > space, they are going to take over it's command and control functions and > deorbit the entire constellation without firing a shot. Same for China and > N. Korea, which both already have ample motivation already to go after > starlink because of the existential threat to the iron fisted control they > exert over their populace and the free flow of information. So while musk > may be able to fly 50 at a time and has his own launch capability, if the > command and control facilities are hijacked, musk will run out of money > putting it all back together. > > > > On 3/2/22 1:28 PM, Scott McGrath wrote: > > The Russians have several ASAT systems not all of them are ground based. > Remember they also have that grappler which locks onto satellites and > destroys them. I think this conflict will be the first one where some > of the battles will be fought in orbit ie the ultimate ‘high ground’ the > NATO countries have kept to the UN treaties on not militarizing space. > Other countries well not so much > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 12:35 PM Valdis Klētnieks > wrote: > >> On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 08:51:05 -0500, Dorn Hetzel said: >> >> > Yeah, if Russia needs one 1st stage booster for every bird they kill, >> and >> > SpaceX needs one 1st stage booster for every 50 they put up Yes, >> > Russia is bigger than SpaceX, but that's a tremendous ratio. >> >> Plus the asymmetry is even worse than that >> >> Elon can use that *same* first stage booster to launch *another* 50 >> next week, while the Russians need to get a *new* booster for shooting >> down the next bird. >> >> That's the *real* game changer in what SpaceX is doing >> >
Re: ICANN Response (Re: Ukraine request yikes)
Yep, I completely agree. I also think if they had done anything else, it would have been a reputation-ending. On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 8:19 AM Jorge Amodio wrote: > > I believe it is a proper response, besides that it is not right for ICANN > to get in the middle of this type of conflict, in situations like this, > increasing the flow of real information counters the flow of misinformation. > > -J > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 7:05 AM John Curran wrote: > >> ICANN response request from the Ukraine regarding various DNS >> interventions – >> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-fedorov-02mar22-en.pdf >> >> FYI, >> /John >> >> John Curran >> President and CEO >> American Registry for Internet Numbers >> >> >> On 2 Mar 2022, at 1:01 AM, John Curran wrote: >> >> Regarding the portion of the request to the RIPE NCC to withdraw the >> relevant Russia registered IP address blocks, it appears that the RIPE NCC >> has reiterated their position on such disputes - >> >> >> https://www.ripe.net/publications/news/announcements/ripe-ncc-executive-board-resolution-on-provision-of-critical-services >> >> >> FYI, >> /John >> >> John Curran >> President and CEO >> American Registry for Internet Numbers >> >> On 1 Mar 2022, at 3:25 AM, Ryan Hamel wrote: >> >> It’s already spread to the news - >> https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ukraine-icann-russia-internet-runet-disconnection-1314278/ >> >> Ryan >> >> *From:* NANOG *On Behalf Of >> *George >> Herbert >> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 1, 2022 12:17 AM >> *To:* Nanog >> *Subject:* Ukraine request yikes >> >> Posted by Bill Woodcock on Twitter… >> https://twitter.com/woodyatpch/status/1498472865301098500?s=21 >> >> https://pastebin.com/DLbmYahS >> >> Ukraine (I think I read as) want ICANN to turn root nameservers off, >> revoke address delegations, and turn off TLDs for Russia. >> >> Seems… instability creating… >> >> >> -george >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> -- Sincerely, Jason W Kuehl Cell 920-419-8983 jason.w.ku...@gmail.com
Re: ICANN Response (Re: Ukraine request yikes)
I believe it is a proper response, besides that it is not right for ICANN to get in the middle of this type of conflict, in situations like this, increasing the flow of real information counters the flow of misinformation. -J On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 7:05 AM John Curran wrote: > ICANN response request from the Ukraine regarding various DNS > interventions – > https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-fedorov-02mar22-en.pdf > > FYI, > /John > > John Curran > President and CEO > American Registry for Internet Numbers > > > On 2 Mar 2022, at 1:01 AM, John Curran wrote: > > Regarding the portion of the request to the RIPE NCC to withdraw the > relevant Russia registered IP address blocks, it appears that the RIPE NCC > has reiterated their position on such disputes - > > > https://www.ripe.net/publications/news/announcements/ripe-ncc-executive-board-resolution-on-provision-of-critical-services > > > FYI, > /John > > John Curran > President and CEO > American Registry for Internet Numbers > > On 1 Mar 2022, at 3:25 AM, Ryan Hamel wrote: > > It’s already spread to the news - > https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ukraine-icann-russia-internet-runet-disconnection-1314278/ > > Ryan > > *From:* NANOG *On Behalf Of *George > Herbert > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 1, 2022 12:17 AM > *To:* Nanog > *Subject:* Ukraine request yikes > > Posted by Bill Woodcock on Twitter… > https://twitter.com/woodyatpch/status/1498472865301098500?s=21 > > https://pastebin.com/DLbmYahS > > Ukraine (I think I read as) want ICANN to turn root nameservers off, > revoke address delegations, and turn off TLDs for Russia. > > Seems… instability creating… > > > -george > Sent from my iPhone > > > >
ICANN Response (Re: Ukraine request yikes)
ICANN response request from the Ukraine regarding various DNS interventions – https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-fedorov-02mar22-en.pdf FYI, /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers On 2 Mar 2022, at 1:01 AM, John Curran mailto:jcur...@arin.net>> wrote: Regarding the portion of the request to the RIPE NCC to withdraw the relevant Russia registered IP address blocks, it appears that the RIPE NCC has reiterated their position on such disputes - https://www.ripe.net/publications/news/announcements/ripe-ncc-executive-board-resolution-on-provision-of-critical-services FYI, /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers On 1 Mar 2022, at 3:25 AM, Ryan Hamel mailto:administra...@rkhtech.org>> wrote: It’s already spread to the news - https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ukraine-icann-russia-internet-runet-disconnection-1314278/ Ryan From: NANOG mailto:nanog-bounces+ryan=rkhtech@nanog.org>> On Behalf Of George Herbert Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 12:17 AM To: Nanog mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: Ukraine request yikes Posted by Bill Woodcock on Twitter… https://twitter.com/woodyatpch/status/1498472865301098500?s=21 https://pastebin.com/DLbmYahS Ukraine (I think I read as) want ICANN to turn root nameservers off, revoke address delegations, and turn off TLDs for Russia. Seems… instability creating… -george Sent from my iPhone