Re: BGP Javascript Map/Visualization

[Jared Mauch]

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 10:43:24PM +, Adam Thompson wrote:
> Neat.  Any idea who to ask questions of, regarding the incorrectness of the 
> data?  I would have assumed Job, but he's long gone from NTT, is this 
> abandonware or maintained?  Anyone know?
> 

I know where it's hosted, and it was a bit amusing when I left
NTT that he gave me grief about the as2914.net domain registration ... 

I would love to see it updated, even if it's not from the 2914
vantage point, i think he left some docs about how it was done.

- jared

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Re: BGP Javascript Map/Visualization

[J. Hellenthal via NANOG]

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> On May 26, 2022, at 17:46, Adam Thompson  wrote:
> 
> Neat.  Any idea who to ask questions of, regarding the incorrectness of the 
> data?  I would have assumed Job, but he's long gone from NTT, is this 
> abandonware or maintained?  Anyone know?
> 
> Adam Thompson
> Consultant, Infrastructure Services
> MERLIN
> 100 - 135 Innovation Drive
> Winnipeg, MB R3T 6A8
> (204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only)
> https://www.merlin.mb.ca
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> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: NANOG  On Behalf
>> Of b...@uu3.net
>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:50 PM
>> To: nanog@nanog.org
>> Subject: Re: BGP Javascript Map/Visualization
>> 
>> You were close... I think you mean this one?
>> https://as2914.net/
>> 
>> -- Original message --
>> 
>> From: Brian Johnson 
>> To: nanog@nanog.org
>> Subject: BGP Javascript Map/Visualization
>> Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 20:07:51 +
>> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Sorry for the noise.  Years ago someone here built and shared a
>> javascript
>> visualization of what their routers saw for the state of BGP and paths
>> to
>> get to various ASs. One could use WSAD and other keys to fly around
>> and
>> examine various other ASs.  I thought it was as2814.net, but that
>> seems to
>> not be a thing anymore.  Can someone refresh my memory where that
>> might be?
>> Or did it get taken down?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> - brian
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

[Jeff Shultz]

I think we have a winner here - we don't necessarily need 1G down, but we
do need to get the upload speeds up to symmetrical 50/50, 100/100 etc...
there are enough people putting in HD security cameras and the like that
upstream speeds are beginning to be an issue.

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 4:37 AM David Bass  wrote:

> The real problem most users experience isn’t that they have a gig, or even
> 100Mb of available download bandwidth…it’s that they infrequently are able
> to use that full bandwidth due to massive over subscription .
>
> The other issue is the minimal upload speed.  It’s fairly easy to consume
> the 10Mb that you’re typically getting as a residential customer.  Even
> “business class” broadband service has a pretty poor upload bandwidth
> limit.
>
> We are a pretty high usage family, and 100/10 has been adequate, but
> there’s been times when we are pegged at the 10 Mb upload limit, and we
> start to see issues.
>
> I’d say 25/5 is a minimum for a single person.
>
> Would 1 gig be nice…yeah as long as the upload speed is dramatically
> increased as part of that.  We would rarely use it, but that would likely
> be sufficient for a long time.  I wouldn’t pay for the extra at this point
> though.
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 8:20 PM Sean Donelan  wrote:
>
>>
>> Remember, this rulemaking is for 1.1 million locations with the "worst"
>> return on investment. The end of the tail of the long tail.  Rural and
>> tribal locations which aren't profitable to provide higher speed
>> broadband.
>>
>> These locations have very low customer density, and difficult to serve.
>>
>> After the Sandwich Isles Communications scandal, gold-plated proposals
>> will be viewed with skepticism.  While a proposal may have a lower total
>> cost of ownership over decades, the business case is the cheapest for
>> the first 10 years of subsidies.  [massive over-simplification]
>>
>> Historically, these projects have lack of timely completion (abandoned,
>> incomplete), and bad (overly optimistic?) budgeting.
>>
>

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RE: BGP Javascript Map/Visualization

[Adam Thompson]

Neat.  Any idea who to ask questions of, regarding the incorrectness of the 
data?  I would have assumed Job, but he's long gone from NTT, is this 
abandonware or maintained?  Anyone know?

Adam Thompson
Consultant, Infrastructure Services
MERLIN
100 - 135 Innovation Drive
Winnipeg, MB R3T 6A8
(204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only)
https://www.merlin.mb.ca
Chat with me on Teams: athomp...@merlin.mb.ca


> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG  On Behalf
> Of b...@uu3.net
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:50 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: BGP Javascript Map/Visualization
> 
> You were close... I think you mean this one?
> https://as2914.net/
> 
> -- Original message --
> 
> From: Brian Johnson 
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: BGP Javascript Map/Visualization
> Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 20:07:51 +
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> Sorry for the noise.  Years ago someone here built and shared a
> javascript
> visualization of what their routers saw for the state of BGP and paths
> to
> get to various ASs. One could use WSAD and other keys to fly around
> and
> examine various other ASs.  I thought it was as2814.net, but that
> seems to
> not be a thing anymore.  Can someone refresh my memory where that
> might be?
> Or did it get taken down?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> - brian
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

[babydr DBA James W. Laferriere]

Hello Jason & All ,

On Thu, 26 May 2022, Livingood, Jason via NANOG wrote:


Latency is a limitation for things that are generally relatively low bandwidth 
(interactive audio, zoom, etc.).
Higher bandwidth won?t solve the latency problem


+1


You Mean something a little less than ...

   My traceroute  [v0.94]
replaceme (192.168.253.147) -> Snipped   
2022-05-26T13:06:34-0800
Keys:  Help   Display mode   Restart statistics   Order of fields   quit
Packets   Pings
 Host   Loss%Snt Drop   Rcv   Last  Avg  Best  Wrst 
StDev
 1. ...Snip...
 2. AS???192.168.251.1   0.0%890891.3   1.3   0.8   1.9   
0.2
 3. AS???10.5.5.227  1.1%89188  227.5 123.9  31.1 276.5  
69.8
 4. AS???10.5.5.185  2.2%89287   43.5  48.7  28.5  72.0  
10.3
 5. AS???10.5.21.241 1.1%89188   36.6  40.3  30.5  64.3   
5.7
 6. AS???10.128.88.234   2.2%89287   52.9  39.8  31.8  63.8   
5.3
 7. AS???10.128.128.125  10.1%   89980   42.5  40.0  29.6  55.7   
4.7
 8. AS???10.128.118.217  72.7%   89   6424   36.7  39.6  29.7  49.8   
4.8
 9. AS???10.128.0.16631.5%   89   2861   60.0  58.8  45.8  86.5   
8.0
10. AS???10.128.0.17085.2%   89   7513  101.1  81.7  70.7 101.1   
9.7
...snip...

Oh ,  Sorry you were talking about latncy not Packet loss .
	While I do understand that icmp responses ARE Low priority the above 
still gives some useful info .  IMO Packet losses like the above are far worse 
than latency ,  But as far as an eyeball networks users experience makes 
absolutely no difference .


IMO as we enter the 'post-gigabit era', an extra 1 Gbps to the home will 
matter less than 100 ms or 500 ms lower working latency (optimally sub-50 ms, 
if not sub-25 ms). The past is exclusively speed-focused -- the future will be


Speed + working latency + reliability/resiliency + consistency of QoE + 
security/protection + WiFi LAN quality.


	One more set of nit's ,  "security/protection" by who's standard should 
this be taken from ,  Eyeball users ,  Eyeball network Operators ,  His 
upstreams ,  US Gov ,  Nato , ... ?


	Where can each of those mentioned in the above have their input listened 
too & acted apon ?




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Re: BGP Javascript Map/Visualization

[borg]

You were close... I think you mean this one?
https://as2914.net/

-- Original message --

From: Brian Johnson 
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: BGP Javascript Map/Visualization
Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 20:07:51 +

Hey all,

Sorry for the noise.  Years ago someone here built and shared a javascript
visualization of what their routers saw for the state of BGP and paths to
get to various ASs. One could use WSAD and other keys to fly around and
examine various other ASs.  I thought it was as2814.net, but that seems to
not be a thing anymore.  Can someone refresh my memory where that might be?
Or did it get taken down?

Thanks in advance,
- brian

BGP Javascript Map/Visualization

[Brian Johnson]

Hey all,

Sorry for the noise.  Years ago someone here built and shared a javascript 
visualization of what their routers saw for the state of BGP and paths to get 
to various ASs. One could use WSAD and other keys to fly around and examine 
various other ASs.  I thought it was as2814.net, but that seems to not be a 
thing anymore.  Can someone refresh my memory where that might be?  Or did it 
get taken down?

Thanks in advance,
- brian

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Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

[Andrew Odlyzko via NANOG]

Yes, definitely.

But some of those criteria can be combined into one, namely
"transaction latency," how long it takes to get something
done.  Which includes things like uploading a video clip,
or a complicated PowerPoint deck, and (behind the scenes
from the standpoint of the end user) lots of interactions
between various computations and databases (like deciding
what ads to clutter your screen with).  So while high speed
won't solve all problems (the speed of light is rather hard
to exceed), it can help alleviate the transaction latency
annoyances by making sure those increasingly large data
transfers that are involved happen quickly.

Andrew




On Thu, 26 May 2022, Livingood, Jason via NANOG wrote:


Latency is a limitation for things that are generally relatively low bandwidth 
(interactive audio, zoom, etc.).
Higher bandwidth won’t solve the latency problem


+1
IMO as we enter the 'post-gigabit era', an extra 1 Gbps to the home will matter 
less than 100 ms or 500 ms lower working latency (optimally sub-50 ms, if not 
sub-25 ms). The past is exclusively speed-focused -- the future will be speed + 
working latency + reliability/resiliency + consistency of QoE + 
security/protection + WiFi LAN quality.

Jason

Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

[Livingood, Jason via NANOG]

> Latency is a limitation for things that are generally relatively low 
> bandwidth (interactive audio, zoom, etc.).
> Higher bandwidth won’t solve the latency problem

+1
IMO as we enter the 'post-gigabit era', an extra 1 Gbps to the home will matter 
less than 100 ms or 500 ms lower working latency (optimally sub-50 ms, if not 
sub-25 ms). The past is exclusively speed-focused -- the future will be speed + 
working latency + reliability/resiliency + consistency of QoE + 
security/protection + WiFi LAN quality.

Jason