Re: Routed optical networks

[Ge DUPIN]

Many Big PTTs have a lot of ducts in many places, it is easy for them to lay 
fibers, especially in cities.

Ge

> Le 4 mai 2023 à 14:27, Vasilenko Eduard via NANOG  a écrit :
> 
> I had an experience in one big PTT. Fiber was easy in the majority of Metro 
> places.
> Even faster than DWDM or router commissioning.
> It is just 1 PTT. Hence, an example could not be counted.
> Eduard
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+vasilenko.eduard=huawei@nanog.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mark Tinka
> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 2:11 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Routed optical networks
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/4/23 12:58, Vasilenko Eduard via NANOG wrote:
> 
>> Well, ISP is typically plan something for a year. It is more than enough for 
>> both.
> 
> The real world is much less certain, especially in these economic times.
> 
> 
>> Funny, that with the current lead times for electronics, Fiber could be 
>> faster.
>> Of course, it is a temporary glitch.
> 
> Even in the same market, no two lays of fibre can be guaranteed to be 
> completed in the same time.
> 
> Mark.
> 

Re: Carrier Neutral Site - Freetown, Sierra Leone?

[Ge DUPIN]

As you can guess from the name of the capital, Sierra Leone is an English 
speaking country
Ge

> Le 19 févr. 2021 à 12:19, Rod Beck  a écrit :
> 
> I am sure South Africa is better. I am really referring to French speaking 
> Western Africa. 
> 
> -R. 
> 
> From: NANOG  > on behalf 
> of Mark Tinka mailto:mark@tinka.africa>>
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 5:09 AM
> To: nanog@nanog.org   >
> Subject: Re: Carrier Neutral Site - Freetown, Sierra Leone?
>  
> 
> 
> On 2/18/21 19:45, Rod Beck wrote:
> 
>> Every time I try to bring a circuit into Africa it is like a complete tour 
>> of Dante's Hell. 
> 
> A broad brush for such a large place.
> 
> Mark.

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

[Ge DUPIN]

Humm sorry, there are a lot of power lines which are not buried in France and 
in Europe.

High, medium and low voltage power lines, even if there is a willingness to 
slowly bury them over the time

Ge

> Le 17 févr. 2021 à 10:17, Rod Beck  a écrit :
> 
> I have lived in France and now Hungary. I have never seen power lines above 
> ground, but I have heard there are some in rural France. 

Re: Re Parler

[Ge DUPIN]

Interesting ! Money can buy many things 
Best
Ge

> Le 14 janv. 2021 à 20:43, Rod Beck  a écrit :
> 
> Folks, 
> 
> There is a political dimension here. Sedition. Parlet is a hornets nest of 
> right wing extremism. 
> 
> The courts will take that into account. 
> 
> Moreover, Parlet's financial resources will evaporate very quickly and with 
> it any lawsuit. 
> 
> I think it is time to bury this issue as a discussion topic. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Roderick. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: NANOG  on 
> behalf of Keith Medcalf 
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 7:01 PM
> To: Mel Beckman ; adamv0...@netconsultings.com 
> 
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
> Subject: RE: Re Parler
>  
> 
> On Thursday, 14 January, 2021 10:02, Mel Beckman  wrote:
> 
> >I, however, do know that this is the contract that was in force. Because
> >I read the lawsuit, and the contract, which I’ve verified is identical to
> >the one posted online, is included as an exhibit (although the courts
> >managed to get the pages out of order).
> 
> >And yes, Amazon had a duty to provide 30 days notice in advance of
> >termination. Amazon says they are calling this a “suspension”, but that’s
> >weaselwording, because they told Parler that they had secured Parler’s
> >data so that Parler could “move to another provider.” You would only do
> >that in a termination.
> 
> >Parler also has an excellent antitrust case, as the idea that three
> >companies would simultaneously pull the plug on their services for a
> >single common customer is going to be hard to explain to a judge.
> 
> >Right now I think Amazon’s safest escape from this mess is to restore
> >Parlor’s services, and pay them damages. Otherwise, why would anyone do
> >business with Amazon if they can pull the rug out with zero advance
> >notice (Parler learned of Amazon’s termination from the news, since
> >Amazon gave the media a scoop before notifying its customers).
> 
> >However you look at this, Amazon’s actions have huge implications for
> >anyone using them for operational networking.
> 
> This result will only come to pass if Parler wins their lawsuit (which is 
> likely) *AND* the FTC imposes a billion dollar fine against Amazon for their 
> Fraudulent business practices.
> 
> Otherwise, Amazon will not change their Fraudulent Business Practices because 
> they will determine that the COST associated with Fraudulent Business 
> Practices is negligible, and there continues to be no shortage of stupid 
> customers who, for some reason, insist on placing TRUST in the inherently 
> UNTRUSTWORTHY, even when it that UNTRUSTWORTHYNESS has already been 
> demonstrated as fact.
> 
> -- 
> Be decisive.  Make a decision, right or wrong.  The road of life is paved 
> with flat squirrels who could not make a decision.

Re: WhatsApp's New Policy Has...

[Ge DUPIN]

There is also Telegram, which is quite good 

Ge Dupin

> Le 8 janv. 2021 à 17:56, Andy Ringsmuth  a écrit :
> 
> Same boat here. I don’t even have a FB account but I am in a handful of 
> WhatsApp groups. Most are family related but one is a tight-knit men’s group 
> at church where privacy is important. The “hey men, I’m struggling with 
>  and I need support” type group.
> 
> We’re ditching WhatsApp likely for Signal as well. I trust satan himself more 
> than I trust Zuckerburg.
> 
> 
> Andy Ringsmuth
> 5609 Harding Drive
> Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
> (402) 304-0083
> a...@andyring.com
> 
> “Better even die free, than to live slaves.” - Frederick Douglas, 1863
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 10:00 AM, Mark Tinka  wrote:
>> 
>> ... finally been the final push all my friends needed to dump it and move to 
>> Signal.
>> 
>> Several of the WhatsApp groups I'm on have, as of this morning, been 
>> disbanded and re-launched on Signal.
>> 
>> Facebook say the new policy applies to business accounts, but heck, the 
>> cat's out the bag and gone.
>> 
>> What's most amazing to me is that a lot more people seem to be a tad more 
>> concerned about their privacy, when they ordinarily wouldn't have.
>> 
>> Mark.
> 

Re: NTP question

[Ge DUPIN]

It is called Galileo :)
Ge

> Le 2 mai 2019 à 22:35, Scott Weeks  a écrit :
> 
> 
> 
>> But wait. What is the GPS constellation goes down? 
>> THEN we have bigger problems :)
>> --
>> 
>> 
>> What if the US military intentionally messes with 
>> the signal to thwart the advances of an enemy who 
>> is using GPS in their attack?  ;-)
> 
> --- m...@beckman.org wrote:
> 
> Enemies aren’t dependent on US GPS, by the way. lol!
> ---
> 
> Oops, but still from the second link: "...which could 
> be disabled or degraded by their operators at any time"
> 
> Most big countries say the same: "...will provide an 
> alternative global navigation satellite system..."
> 
> scott
> 
> 
> 
> Details for the intrested.
> 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLONASS
> 
> "Russian...provides an alternative to GPS and is the 
> second navigational system in operation with global 
> coverage and of comparable precision. 
> 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation)
> 
> "...live in 2016,[4] created by the European Union"
> "...so European nations do not have to rely on the 
> U.S. GPS, or the Russian GLONASS systems, which could 
> be disabled or degraded by their operators at any time"
> 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeiDou
> 
> "a Chinese satellite navigation systemBeidou-1 was 
> decommissioned at the end of 2012."
> "BeiDou-2, became operational in China in December 2011 
> with a partial constellation of 10 satellites in orbit.
> Since December 2012, it has been offering services to 
> customers in the Asia-Pacific region."
> "In 2015, China started the build-up of the third 
> generation BeiDou system (BeiDou-3) for global coverage 
> constellation. The first BDS-3 satellite was launched on 
> 30 March 2015.[5] As of October 2018, fifteen BDS-3 
> satellites have been launched[6]. BeiDou-3 will 
> eventually consist of 35 satellites and is expected to 
> provide global services upon completion in 2020. When 
> fully completed, BeiDou will provide an alternative 
> global navigation satellite system to the United States 
> owned Global Positioning System (GPS),[7][8] the Russian 
> GLONASS or European Galileo systems and is expected 
> to be more accurate than these
> 
> 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Regional_Navigation_Satellite_System
> 
> "...is an autonomous regional satellite navigation 
> system that provides accurate real-time positioning 
> and timing services.[4] It covers India and a region 
> extending 1,500 km (930 mi) around it, with plans for 
> further extension."
> 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasi-Zenith_Satellite_System
> 
> "...a project of the Japanese government for the 
> development of a four-satellite regional time transfer 
> system and a satellite-based augmentation system for the 
> United States operated Global Positioning System (GPS) 
> to be receivable in the Asia-Oceania regions, with a 
> focus on Japan.
> 
> 
> 

Re: Vendors spamming NANOG attendees

[Ge Dupin]

I think so
And I said it a coulpe of times already
Ge

> Le 21 juin 2017 à 15:25, Josh Luthman  a écrit :
> 
> Does anyone else feel this thread has generated more spam in their inbox
> than the vendors?
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 1:45 AM, Jay Hennigan  wrote:
> 
>> On 6/13/17 10:28 PM, Mel Beckman wrote:
>> 
>>> But as I said, harvesting emails is not illegal under can spam. And the
>>> requirement to not send you UCE to harvested emails is pointless, because
>>> how do you prove that someone did that?
>>> 
>> Seed the list with one or two spamtrap addresses never seen in the wild.
>> Wait.
>> 
>> In this case, the spammer was stupid enough hot only to abuse a list of
>> technical people who run networks, but to brag about it within the body of
>> the spam.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - j...@impulse.net
>> Impulse Internet Service  -  http://www.impulse.net/
>> Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV
>> 

Re: Vendors spamming NANOG attendees

[Ge Dupin]

exactly
it is becoming really painful
Ge

> Le 16 juin 2017 à 17:06, Alexander Maassen  a écrit :
> 
> the discussion about the external spam kinda exceeds the volume of the spam 
> itself. just my 2 cents.
> just block, delete, continue life
> 
> Kind regards,
> Alexander Maassen
> - Technical Maintenance Engineer Parkstad Support BV- Maintainer DroneBL- 
> Peplink Certified Engineer
> 
>  Oorspronkelijk bericht Van: b...@theworld.com Datum: 
> 15-06-17  20:09  (GMT+01:00) Aan: Dan Hollis  Cc: 
> Niels Bakker 

Re: Vendors spamming NANOG attendees

[Ge Dupin]

It looks like there are more spams coming from these discussions than from the 
original Scams/Spams..
Ge

> Le 14 juin 2017 à 14:26, Rodney Joffe  a écrit :
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 10:28 PM, Mel Beckman  wrote:
>> 
>> But as I said, harvesting emails is not illegal under can spam. And the 
>> requirement to not send you UCE to harvested emails is pointless, because 
>> how do you prove that someone did that?
>> 
> Because he said so?
> 
> The spammer had the balls to say, in his email:
> 
>> 
>> We do not know each other. I'm leveraging the attendee list for NANOG to 
>> reach out and raise awareness of the value of OCS (Optical Circuit 
>> Switching) in the data center and in particular, the Carrier Neutral 
>> Hotel where we've been active with next generation MeetMeRoom 
>> discussions.
> 
> 

Re: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Ge Dupin]

They are well known !

Are they reputable ? :)

Regards

Ge Dupin

> Le 14 avr. 2017 à 14:53, Mike Hammett <na...@ics-il.net> a écrit :
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZTE 
> 
> Almost $12B in revenue in 2014, so not small. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - 
> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> http://www.ics-il.com 
> 
> Midwest-IX 
> http://www.midwest-ix.com 
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: "Aaron Gould" <aar...@gvtc.com> 
> To: "Baldur Norddahl" <baldur.nordd...@gmail.com>, nanog@nanog.org 
> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:45:58 AM 
> Subject: RE: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch 
> 
> Wow, 10 gig and 40 gig, mpls, etc, etc for $3,000 ?! Who is ZTE ? I 
> usually try to stay with big names...Juniper, Cisco, etc... is ZTE 
> well-known and reputable ? 
> 
> -Aaron 
> 
> 
>