Re: Google IP Geolocation

[Michael K. Spears]

Yep this is the issue I'm running into..

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From: NANOG  on behalf of Siyuan 
Miao 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:31:29 PM
To: Mike Hammett 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation

It seems that Geofeed is no longer working starting last week.

Can confirm this with other few server providers with VPN customers. The 
geolocation is now the user's REAL location like Asia or Mid-East while the IP 
itself is in the US.

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 03:54 Mike Hammett 
mailto:na...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
I've had others at Google specifically say that portal should be used for that 
purpose, so maybe they need to make sure right and left hands know what the 
other is doing.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com


From: "Josh Luthman" 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
To: "Christopher Morrow" 
mailto:morrowc.li...@gmail.com>>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:52:48 PM
Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation

https://isp.google.com

I signed up for an account there and they said:

"Currently, the Google ISP portal is designed for our partners of GGC, PNI or 
IX programs.

The access to portal is granted on request only to our partners."

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:08 PM Christopher Morrow 
mailto:morrowc.li...@gmail.com>> wrote:


On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 1:59 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Google ISP specifically told me they didn't want to do deal with geolocation on 
the ISP portal.


unsure who 'google isp' is here, but ... I think if you point at a properly 
formed geo-location data file it'll get eaten and produce proper results for 
you.
you do have to add that in your isp portal:
   tri-pipe-thingy -> configuration -> IP geolocation
and /register feed/ button on that page.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:28 PM Christopher Morrow 
mailto:morrowc.li...@gmail.com>> wrote:
As a note, on the ISP portal there's a place to put a link to your RFC8805 
format geolocation feed...
these are scraped out 'regularly' and help keep things oriented better for 
folks.

the ietf noc folk use this method to tell google (and other folk who scrape out 
our data) where meetings are before the meetings get there:
  https://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv

-chris
volunteer noc persona

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 6:43 PM Michael K. Spears 
mailto:mich...@spears.io>> wrote:

Awesome, I think I’ve figured out the Google ISP portal signup, but it 
definitely seems semi-complicated in a way, notably finding the link…



Thank you,

Michael K. Spears

727.656.3347



From: Mike Hammett mailto:na...@ics-il.net>>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM
To: Michael K. Spears mailto:mich...@spears.io>>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation



We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP portal and 
get to that part of the portal once signed up. We'll drop a link to it near the 
Google section of our geolocation page.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com





From: "Michael K. Spears" mailto:mich...@spears.io>>
To: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
Subject: Google IP Geolocation

Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I have a 
/24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.



Thank you,

Michael K. Spears

Re: Google IP Geolocation

[Michael K. Spears]

Yep, that's what I finally got. This is a pretty major issue for me and also 
shows a massive failing on Google..

I'm a VPS hosting provider, and despite no change in geolocation from any other 
vendor, no changes in the whois on either my ASN or my IP subnets, google is 
now redirecting to Google Hong Kong (likely due to Asian clients using VPNs 
from their phones).. This is incredibly annoying and clients shouldn't be able 
to change geolocation on an entire /24 that easily.

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From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 2:52:48 PM
To: Christopher Morrow 
Cc: Michael K. Spears ; nanog@nanog.org 
Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation

https://isp.google.com

I signed up for an account there and they said:

"Currently, the Google ISP portal is designed for our partners of GGC, PNI or 
IX programs.

The access to portal is granted on request only to our partners."

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:08 PM Christopher Morrow 
mailto:morrowc.li...@gmail.com>> wrote:


On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 1:59 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Google ISP specifically told me they didn't want to do deal with geolocation on 
the ISP portal.


unsure who 'google isp' is here, but ... I think if you point at a properly 
formed geo-location data file it'll get eaten and produce proper results for 
you.
you do have to add that in your isp portal:
   tri-pipe-thingy -> configuration -> IP geolocation
and /register feed/ button on that page.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:28 PM Christopher Morrow 
mailto:morrowc.li...@gmail.com>> wrote:
As a note, on the ISP portal there's a place to put a link to your RFC8805 
format geolocation feed...
these are scraped out 'regularly' and help keep things oriented better for 
folks.

the ietf noc folk use this method to tell google (and other folk who scrape out 
our data) where meetings are before the meetings get there:
  https://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv

-chris
volunteer noc persona

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 6:43 PM Michael K. Spears 
mailto:mich...@spears.io>> wrote:

Awesome, I think I’ve figured out the Google ISP portal signup, but it 
definitely seems semi-complicated in a way, notably finding the link…



Thank you,

Michael K. Spears

727.656.3347



From: Mike Hammett mailto:na...@ics-il.net>>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM
To: Michael K. Spears mailto:mich...@spears.io>>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation



We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP portal and 
get to that part of the portal once signed up. We'll drop a link to it near the 
Google section of our geolocation page.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com





From: "Michael K. Spears" mailto:mich...@spears.io>>
To: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
Subject: Google IP Geolocation

Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I have a 
/24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.



Thank you,

Michael K. Spears

RE: Google IP Geolocation

[Michael K. Spears]

Awesome, I think I’ve figured out the Google ISP portal signup, but it 
definitely seems semi-complicated in a way, notably finding the link…

Thank you,
Michael K. Spears
727.656.3347

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM
To: Michael K. Spears 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation

We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP portal and 
get to that part of the portal once signed up. We'll drop a link to it near the 
Google section of our geolocation page.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com


From: "Michael K. Spears" mailto:mich...@spears.io>>
To: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
Subject: Google IP Geolocation
Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I have a 
/24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.

Thank you,
Michael K. Spears

RE: Google IP Geolocation

[Michael K. Spears]

Sweet, that’s massively helpful. I just found the link to request access to the 
Google ISP portal.

Thank you,
Michael K. Spears

From: Brendan Halley 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 6:18 PM
To: Michael K. Spears 
Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation

Hey,

Google ISP portal is your best bet. Can do it self service.

Another way is to get a few Android devices onto the IP range. Google use them 
heavily for working out Geo.

Brendan


On Sat, 27 Mar 2021, 9:14 am Michael K. Spears, 
mailto:mich...@spears.io>> wrote:
Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I have a 
/24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.

Thank you,
Michael K. Spears

Google IP Geolocation

[Michael K. Spears]

Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I have a 
/24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language.

Thank you,
Michael K. Spears

Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?

[Michael K. Spears]

AceHost.com or Hivelocity.

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From: NANOG  on behalf of Bryan 
Holloway 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 12:37:14 PM
To: Martijn Schmidt ; William Herrin 
Cc: NANOG list 
Subject: Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?

You make an excellent point, Martijn ... (and I suspect this is what
Bill was pointing out ...)

Virtualization on top of virtualization is inherently not the best idea.

I guess I'm looking for flexibility in the sense of being able to spin
up additional VMs at my leisure. In which case #2 could be suitable in
the right environment.

... in which case SLAs would be tantamount to success ...

So ... that said, any recommendations?  :)


On 1/19/21 6:32 PM, Martijn Schmidt wrote:
> For #1, are you trying to do "Cloud-ception" e.g. running your own
> proxmox virtualization on top of an already virtual machine, so that
> you're basically two layers deep?
>
> For #2, of course you need to be able to survive a hardware failure
> (using RAID1 or some flavour of DRBD for example) but having to think
> about such things is the "trade-off" of having access to the bare-metal
> layer.. it does have advantages, for example if you want to install your
> own virtualization layer without any involvement from the hosting
> provider. You'd usually have agreements with the hosting provider about
> how/when hardware replacements would be done.
>
> Best regards,
> Martijn
> 
> *From:* NANOG  on behalf
> of Bryan Holloway 
> *Sent:* 19 January 2021 18:18
> *To:* William Herrin 
> *Cc:* NANOG list 
> *Subject:* Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?
> Perhaps I'm missing something, but in your #1 example "Cloud", what
> prevents me from running a Proxmox ISO (which is more or less Debian)
> vs. a "standard" Debian install on the provider's virtual server?
>
> If I can, I've succeeded. That is the sort of hosting provider I'm
> looking for, if they exist.
>
> #2 would be suitable, but it seems to be that if leased bare-metal dies,
> it will be some time for ETR. Less desirable, but I'm open to ideas.
>
> #3 I do now. Trying to move away from that.
>
>
> On 1/19/21 5:44 PM, William Herrin wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:31 AM Bryan Holloway  wrote:
>>> I would like to stop personally dealing with bare-metal. That's what I'm
>>> doing now.
>>
>> Hi Bryan,
>>
>> Cloud = you get virtual servers with virtual storage, generally
>> adjustable to meet your needs. You manage the operating systems and
>> storage within the virtual environment. You DO NOT manage the host
>> operating systems or hypervisors.
>>
>> Bare metal = you lease physical equipment. You manage all software on
>> the equipment including any hypervisors needed to run virtual servers.
>> You DO NOT deal with hardware break/fix, that problem belongs to the
>> service provider.
>>
>> Colocation = You lease space in a data center. You provide physical
>> equipment in your custom configuration.
>>
>> With this terminology, at least one of your requirements is unmeetable
>> for contradicting the others. So I ask again for clarification: which
>> of these do you seek?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bill Herrin
>>

RE: Spectrum (AS33363) Clue?

[Michael K. Spears]

Bryan, 

I'd just be happy to get notifications of their "planned maintenances" ... 
Also that seems high for a 20/2, I pay that for a 600/40 with 5 static IPs. 

Thank you,
Michael K. Spears
727.656.3347

-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Bryan 
Fields
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 10:44 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Spectrum (AS33363) Clue?

On 11/19/20 10:22 AM, Brian K Miller wrote:
> Good luck getting info out of them, I usually just run my mouth with 
> the local guys when they come out, I get more info that way than in a ticket.

It appears they have fixed some of the issues today, our packets are no longer 
going across the country to get across the room.  Latency is down to the 
historical averages, and we're no longer having throughput issues.

I'm a paying business customer (125/mo for 20/2 mbit connection), so I'm going 
to bitch to high hell when it's impacting my business.

Thanks to everyone who reached out,
--
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net