RE: Customer Support Ticketing

2014-03-19 Thread Ray Sanders
Another +1/like/upvote for Kayako. 

RAY SANDERS
Senior Systems Engineer
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From: Nolan Rollo nro...@kw-corp.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:14 PM
To: Paul Stewart; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Customer Support Ticketing

For what it's worth, I've actually heard the Intuit guys that sell Quickbase 
will build and customize your ticketing system for you. I haven't looked that 
heavily into other options since I've run a few RT instances I'm most 
comfortable there but I'm sure you know it doesn't integrate with other 
applications well unless you're  a perl dev

-Original Message-
From: Paul Stewart [mailto:p...@paulstewart.org]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:01 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Customer Support Ticketing

Hey folks….

We need a new customer ticketing system and I’m looking for input.  I am still 
working on a scope document on everything we want to do with the new system.

The most common problem I run across is that a system is either built for 
enterprise internal IT helpdesk or it is built like a CRM sales tracking 
system.  We are an ISP among other things and are looking for a powerful and 
yet reasonable cost system to answer email inquiries, allow customers to open 
tickets via portal, mobile support, escalation/SLA support, and several other 
things.  Solarwinds NPM integration would be a huge bonus but not a deal 
breaker.  If anyone has a system that they have integrated with Ivue from NISC 
(our billing platform) I would be really interested in hearing more as well.

So my question is meant high level.  For those folks that are ISP’s supporting 
business customers (including managed customers) along with residential eyeball 
traffic what system(s) do you use and what do you like/dislike?

I’ve looked so far at WHD (Solarwinds product), OTRS, RT, RemedyForce, ZenDesk, 
HappyFox, Kayako and several others.  All of them so far would require a fair 
amount of configuration or modifications based on our still developing wish 
list.  Also worth noting is that we have no full time development staff so 
hoping to find something that has a lot of promise and then work with the 
vendor to evolve it into what we feel we need.

**This is not an invitation for sales folks to call on me**

Thanks,

Paul







RE: Dell Power Volt 124T software

2014-03-13 Thread Ray Sanders
Not that this is particularly network operations related, but...

A quick Google search 
(https://www.google.com/search?q=Dell+Power+Volt+124T+red+hat+enterpriseoq=Dell+Power+Volt+124T+red+hat+enterpriseaqs=chrome..69i57.6018j0j7sourceid=chromeespv=2es_sm=141ie=UTF-8)
 yielded the User's Guide 
(ftp://ftp.dell.com/Manuals/all-products/esuprt_ser_stor_net/esuprt_powervault/powervault-124t_User's%20Guide12_en-us.pdf)
 which appears to show how to use the Power Vault 124 with Red Hat Linux. 

Dell and IBM historically have had decent support for their products with 
Enterprise versions of Red Hat, Ubuntu, and SuSE. 

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From: Maxime Godonou Dossou godomu...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 1:27 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Dell Power Volt 124T  software

Hello all
I just want to know someone here is using Dell Power Volt 124T as tape backup.
I just get it but I would like to use Linux redhat 6.3 server as OS on my 
backup server.
Can tell me if you know any open source software I can use to drive it .

Sent from IPad



Re: Books for the NOC guys...

2010-04-02 Thread Ray Sanders
It's the same level reserved for child molesters and people who talk at 
the theater...


Michael Thomas wrote:

On 04/02/2010 10:43 AM, Nick Hilliard wrote:


In short: less zealotry, more pragmatism and a realisation that each
language has its own strengths and weaknesses.  Bad code is bad code 
in any

language.


All true, but I'd still say there's a special rung in hell for bad perl.

Mike



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Re: Intermittent Google issues in Austin area

2010-03-17 Thread Ray Sanders
I was seeing a ton of issues with Google services here in Phoenix 
earlier this morning.

Seemed to clear up by about 9 AM local time.

Alex Thurlow wrote:
Anyone else having intermittent issues connecting to google servers 
from the Austin area? I first noticed google.com/jsapi loading slowly 
to slow down my website from loading, and I've since seen other sites 
loading from their ajaxapis and even www.google.com's search results 
taking upwards of 30 seconds to load.  Many times it loads fine, and 
then it won't.  I couldn't find a place to submit this to them, so I 
thought I'd check with you guys.


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L.A Network Outages today,

2010-03-02 Thread Ray Sanders
Sorry if this is better handled by outages, but anyone in the L.A area have an 
idea about the network/phone outages today in L.A?

We've seen issues with x.o, but not sure of the full scope.

Thanks.




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RE: Anyone seeing any issues in LA area with XO?

2010-03-02 Thread Ray Sanders
We've been seeing issues with our XO connection in L.A as well.

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 Original Message 
From: Carlos Alcantar car...@race.com
Date: 3/2/10 4:28 pm
To: Raj Singh raj.si...@demandmedia.com ; NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subj: RE: Anyone seeing any issues in LA area with XO?
I have 3 t1's that went down in the santa monica area at 1:47pm pst all
off he same hub ds3.


Carlos Alcantar
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101 Haskins Way
South San Francisco, CA 94080
P: 650.649.3550 x143
F: 650.649.3551
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-Original Message-
From: Raj Singh [mailto:raj.si...@demandmedia.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 2:25 PM
To: NANOG
Subject: Anyone seeing any issues in LA area with XO?

We just lost all our Santa Monica links with XO. Anyone else seeing
this?


Thanks,
Raj Singh   |Director Network Engineering
_
Demand Media | eNom, Inc.
Direct: 425.974.4679
15801 NE 24th St.
Bellevue, WA 98008
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Re: Ticket/Asset Managment system

2010-02-12 Thread Ray Sanders
A previous employer did something similar with Solarwind's ipMonitor and 
Kayako eSupport.
Neither are open source, but at the time, the cost for each piece of 
software was reasonable.


Jens Link wrote:

Brandon Grant bran...@momentous.ca writes:

  

Also, I am hoping to find a tool that can tie in with SNMP software so
I can have tickets auto-generated for certain types of SNMP traps or
polling failures.



Do it the other way round: Use something like Nagios, Zabbix or Icinga
for monitoring and if a fault is detected let the monitoring system 
send a message to your ticket system. 


Jens
  




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RE: Datacenter for DR in northwestern NJ/NY

2010-02-02 Thread Ray Sanders
Datapipe has a facility in N.J...
Not sure if they are 50mi from NYC

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From: Matt Sprague mspra...@readytechs.com
Date: 2/2/10 2:19 pm
To: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org
Subj: Datacenter for DR in northwestern NJ/NY
Hello NANOG!

Does anyone know of some strong datacenters in northwestern NJ, or north of 
Westchester NY without getting too far away from NYC?

I'm looking for a DR colo solution for a site that is in NYC; this needs to be 
at least 50m away from NYC, but I'm trying to keep it not too much further than 
that for convenience.  I'm also trying to keep this to top level providers as 
there may be compliance requirements.

Thanks in advance for any responses.
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Re: Flash Media Servers as Open Proxies

2009-12-03 Thread Ray Sanders

Marshall,

Did you find out via published article, or your own research? 

Either way I'd like (if you don't mind) more information on this so I 
can investigate what impact there may be on our systems.



Thanks!

Marshall Eubanks wrote:
I recently found out that the Adobe Flash Media Server (FMS) can 
operate out of the box
as an open proxy, enabling other people to steal server resources and 
bandwidth. Furthermore,
I also found that there is an ecosystem of pirates taking advantage of 
this feature to
illegally stream sports events (and maybe other stuff as well). Each 
event uses multiple (stolen)
servers and can amount to thousands of streams and Gbps of consumed 
bandwidth.


I believe but am not 100% sure that there are similar problems with 
Window Media Servers.


I would like to hear (off-list) from people who have experience 
fighting this so that we could

maybe pool techniques. I will try to write this up further later.

Regards
Marshall Eubanks





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Re: Redundant Data Center Architectures

2009-10-28 Thread Ray Sanders

Roland,


Could you elaborate on GSLB  (Global Load Balancing?) ?   Pardon if 
that question seems a bit noob-ish




Thanks


Roland Dobbins wrote:


On Oct 28, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Stefan Fouant wrote:

I'm wondering what are the growing trends in connecting Data Centers 
for redundancy in DR/COOP environments.


'DR' is an obsolete 40-year-old mainframe concept; it never works, as 
funding/testing/scaling of the 'backup' systems is never adequate 
and/or allowed.


Layer-2 between sites is evil, as well.

Layer-3-independence and active/active/etc. is where it's at in terms 
of high availability in the 21st Century.  GSLB, et. al.


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RE: Intelligent network monitoring systems (commercial/open source, what have you)

2009-09-11 Thread Ray Sanders
If you are interested in an Orion-Like system, but can't foot the bill
for it, maybe look at IpMonitor.  Solarwinds acquired IpMonitor a while
back, so their sales reps will try to sell you on Orion. 

I've had many years of good luck with it (IpMonitor) and Solarwinds
seems to be handling the software pretty well.  

On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 15:08 -0400, Drew Weaver wrote:
 Ah, I was mainly interested in an Orion like system that actually has all of 
 that kind of worked-in.
 
 Thanks for the heads up.
 -Drew
 -Original Message-
 From: Charles Wyble [mailto:char...@thewybles.com] 
 Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:07 PM
 To: Drew Weaver
 Cc: NANOG list
 Subject: Re: Intelligent network monitoring systems (commercial/open source, 
 what have you)
 
 Most of these threads usually result in telling the poster to RTFM with 
 a link to it :) I'm too lazy to link the manual. :)
 
 c-nsp has extensive archives with lots of questions about various 
 specific SNMP mibs that weren't immediately evident from RTFM.
 
 It all comes down to SNMP to the best of my knowledge.
 
 Drew Weaver wrote:
  Howdy,
  
  Can anyone suggest a network monitoring system that knows the difference 
  between a cisco 1701 and a GSR 12810/6500, etc? 
  
  What I mean is, many times these days there are several different sub 
  systems you have to monitor inside of a router/switch and not just 
  interface utilization, the CPU, and the RAM.
  
  Statistics such as CEF utilization, fabric utilization, PFC/DFC, various 
  line card statistics, etc?
  
  Can anyone recommend anything other than customize MRTG a lot that we can 
  use to get a better look into these systems?
  
  thanks,
  -Drew
   
  
 
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Re: Open Source / Low Cost NMS for Server Hardware / Application Monitoring

2009-07-22 Thread Ray Sanders
It's neither open source, nor free, but I moved from Nagios/Groundwork
to Solarwinds ipMonitor 9. 

Solarwinds recently cut the price down to under $1000 for unlimited
monitors.  Up until about a year ago, the unlimited license ran about
$5K. 

So for a large nationwide environment like ours, our ROI was pretty
decent, but if you are only watching a dozen or two systems with maybe
ten monitors each, Nagios would be the best bet. 

On Wed, 2009-07-22 at 13:40 -0500, Jack Bates wrote:
 Matthew Huff wrote:
  Some of our requirements:
  
  .   Native agents for Windows 2003/2008, Linux, Linux x86_64, Solaris 
  Sparc and Solaris x86_64. Either binaries or source code.
  .   Ability to send alerts via email, pager and/or snmp
  .   Monitoring of OS properties like memory, disk, cpu, etc...
  .   Ability to extend agents with scripting to allow monitoring of 
  custom services
  .   Plug-in architecture for third-party add-ons
  .   Reliable Architecture
  .   Reasonable user interface
  .   Non-blocking polling
  .   Active Project (New Releases on regular basis and have existed for 
  a reasonable period)
 
 You probably have the list of the most commonly used. Each has good and 
 bad points. A few of them I believe are limited on using agents and 
 supporting external scripts. Several are considered Nagios on steroids, 
 using a Nagios core wrappered in a bunch of other OSS. Several, like 
 Zenoss are particular about the primarily monitoring system (though 
 agents might run on any OS).
 
 Jack
 
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Re: The actual value, from a security standpoint, of using a proxy domain registrar?

2009-07-15 Thread Ray Sanders
My opinion is that it's nothing more than a value-add for domain
registrars.  The domain registration fees these days have razor thin
margins. So places like Godaddy and others offer these services to make
up for their domains essentially being loss-leaders. 

A lot of these places use scare tactics to convince domain buyers that
privacy is essential, otherwise one would get spam, telemarketing
calls and junk mail.   

Well, that's partly true, as some companies do scrape whois data. 

So does maintaining a P.O box, a phone number that goes direct to voice
mail, as well as a separate junk mail email account cost you less than
about $20 a year?   I'm not sure, but having your number on the do not
call list (if you are in the U.S) is free, receiving junk mail doesn't
cost anything and neither does a hotmail/yahoo/gmail account. 

So, to get to my point, from a security standpoint my opinion is that
domain privacy is of as much benefit as hiding under the covers of my
bed if an attacker breaks into my home. 

On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 14:52 -0700, Mike Lyon wrote:
 Howdy,
 
 I am curious what others in the industry think on this topic. When one
 registers a domain they can put in their real information or they can use a
 proxy, like Go-Daddy's Domains By Proxy.
 
 Now, personally, I would prefer just to get a PO Box and put that address on
 my domain info instead of doing a proxy. I could also put down a phone
 number in the registration that just goes to my general business phone line
 which is just a DVR.
 
 So the question I have is this: What actual security are these proxy
 companies providing to the end-user?  My company website has my real
 address, my real phone number, exec bio's and pictures of them yet upper
 management (and our marketing company) think using a proxy is a good thing.
 
 What's the difference between using a proxy vs using a PO Box except that a
 PO Box is cheaper?
 
 I'd just like to get thoughts from others to see what the general feeling is
 on this topic.
 
 Cheers,
 Mike
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Re: The actual value, from a security standpoint, of using a proxy domain registrar?

2009-07-15 Thread Ray Sanders
And that falls right into some of the scare tactic sales pitches the
domain registrars use. 

they can look up your domain and find your home address! 

Heck, even a p.o box could leave someone open to a stalker, if said
stalker is determined enough. 

so yes, I'll concede that point to a certain extent.  


On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 17:18 -0500, David E. Smith wrote:
 Mike Lyon wrote:
  I am curious what others in the industry think on this topic. When one
  registers a domain they can put in their real information or they can use a
  proxy, like Go-Daddy's Domains By Proxy.

 If you're using it for your business, the value is pretty slim. You 
 probably want your business to be reachable by the public.
 
 Individuals, especially those using their domains to publish anything 
 controversial, could benefit somewhat from the increased privacy.
 
 David Smith
 MVN.net
 
 
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Re: Why choose 120 volts?

2009-05-26 Thread Ray Sanders
So when one server fails, all the rest fail too? 

Sorting out holiday lighting is bad enough 

could you imagine having to go through rack after rack finding the one
burned out server?


On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 16:29 -0400, Barney Wolff wrote:
 Doesn't even need non-standard servers - just wire them all in series.
 
 On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 03:23:46PM -0500, Kurt Anderson wrote:
  Why stop there? Grab a 20,000 volt feeder and create a Tesla datacenter.
  Think of all the copper you will save...
 
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Re: Why choose 120 volts?

2009-05-26 Thread Ray Sanders
Ugh, please don't remind me of the hell that was coax. 

On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 13:45 -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
 On May 26, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Ray Sanders wrote:
 
  So when one server fails, all the rest fail too?
 
  Sorting out holiday lighting is bad enough
 
  could you imagine having to go through rack after rack finding the one
  burned out server?
 
 Who has to imagine?  Some of us remember thinnet (10base2).
 
 Owen
 
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RE: Colo on the West Coast

2009-05-26 Thread Ray Sanders
Pshem,

Datapipe and hurricane electric come to mind.



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From: Pshem Kowalczyk pshe...@gmail.com
Date: 5/26/09 4:03 pm
To: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org
Subj: Colo on the West Coast
Hi,

I'm looking for a colo provider somewhere on the west coast,
preferably somewhere close to one of the peering exchanges. A virtual
machine will do.
I want to use it to run a small performance monitoring box
(traceroutes, pings, etc). I also would like to get a full bgp feed
into it so I can monitor bgp as well.
Who do you think would be the best one to do it with?

(answers can be off-list)

kind regards
Pshem




Re: how many BGP routers, how many ASes

2009-05-13 Thread Ray Sanders
Irfan, 

This is sent weekly to the list:



Routing Table Report   04:00 +10GMT Sat 09 May, 2009

Report Website: http://thyme.apnic.net
Detailed Analysis:  http://thyme.apnic.net/current/

Analysis Summary


BGP routing table entries examined:  288037
Prefixes after maximum aggregation:  136199
Deaggregation factor:  2.11
Unique aggregates announced to Internet: 140785
Total ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 31199
Prefixes per ASN:  9.23
Origin-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:   27142
Origin ASes announcing only one prefix:   13239
Transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:4057
Transit-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 96
Average AS path length visible in the Internet Routing Table:   3.6
Max AS path length visible:  33
Max AS path prepend of ASN (43683)   31
Prefixes from unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table:   461
Unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 151
Number of 32-bit ASNs allocated by the RIRs:142
Prefixes from 32-bit ASNs in the Routing Table:  30
Special use prefixes present in the Routing Table:0
Prefixes being announced from unallocated address space:194
Number of addresses announced to Internet:   2039977920
Equivalent to 121 /8s, 151 /16s and 151 /24s
Percentage of available address space announced:   55.0
Percentage of allocated address space announced:   63.7
Percentage of available address space allocated:   86.4
Percentage of address space in use by end-sites:   76.9
Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations:  142407




On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 16:53 +0100, Irfan Zakiuddin wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I have scouted around for this information, but not get very far.  I'm
 hoping someone will have answers at hand.
 
 What I want to know is roughly how many :
 
 1.  ASes there are in the world today?
 2.  BGP routers there are, for intra-domain as well as inter-domain routing,
 in total in the world?
 3.  BGP routers do the largest ASes have?
 
 
 Really interesting would then be to say either how fast the above numbers
 are growing, or to give estimates for what the answers to 1-3 will be in 5
 years time.
 
 An Internet source that provides the above information would be most useful
 - though I can't seem to find it with google.
 
 I'd be grateful for answer to be sent to me directly, whether you also post
 to NANOG is up to you.
 
 thanks in advance.
 
 irfan
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Phoenix Area Network Issues?

2009-04-27 Thread Ray Sanders
Are there any fiber cuts or other routing issues anyone in the Phoenix
area is aware of?


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L.A Area network Issues the past few days?

2009-04-22 Thread Ray Sanders
Has anyone seen any network issues the past few days?

Yesterday we had some content delivery issues in the l.a area. 

Not getting any sort of response from our CDN, Limelight.

Thanks in advance


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Re: L.A Area network Issues the past few days?

2009-04-22 Thread Ray Sanders
Could you elaborate on that a bit, please?  off list is fine


On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 14:07 -0700, Wayne E. Bouchard wrote:
 I can't speak to specific upper level issues but I can confirm that
 there was a slightly insane piece of network equipment yesterday
 AM. We sat it down and had a good conversation about manners and
 behavior in public and it shaped up.
 
 -Wayne
 
 On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 01:52:35PM -0700, Ray Sanders wrote:
  Has anyone seen any network issues the past few days?
  
  Yesterday we had some content delivery issues in the l.a area. 
  
  Not getting any sort of response from our CDN, Limelight.
  
  Thanks in advance
  
  
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 ---
 Wayne Bouchard
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Re: cogent issues?

2009-01-28 Thread Ray Sanders
From the outages list:

Cogent is currently experiencing problems on their backbone in Chicago,
manifesting as packet loss and latency. The master ticket # is 853582.


On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 12:27 -0800, John Martinez wrote:
 http://www.internetpulse.net/
 
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Re: RE:

2009-01-12 Thread Ray Sanders
Draggin my heart around.

 
 -Original Message-
 From: Aaron Imbrock [mailto:aimbr...@gmail.com] 
 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:12 AM
 To: NANOG@nanog.org
 Subject: 
 
 Stop
 
  
 
 
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