Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

[Tom Deligiannis]

I know people who have 300 mb all the way up to gigabit in their home, they
still struggled with the update since the bottleneck wasn't the speed of
their internet connection.

Tom

On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 12:41 PM Jeff Shultz  wrote:

> Sure, some of them can get it. Some still have DSL because we haven't
> gotten fiber that far out yet. Or they're in a rental/apartment where
> the landlord won't let us put fiber.
>
> Or some just don't want to pay for it.
>
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 10:26 AM Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:
> >
> > >>> After all - it's not like *they* are going to feel the pain of a
> single 106G upload, it's somebody else who feels the pain of 5 million
> downloads of a 106G image
> > >>> refresh.
> > >>>
> > >>> Economists call this sort of thing an "externality".
> > >>
> > >> I must admit, I'm blissfully unaware of CDN commercials, but I'd have
> expected that if I give a CDN my binary 100G binary blob and six people
> download it, I'd be billed a different amount to if six million people
> download it - and similarly if that blob is 1G vs 100G.
> > >>
> > >> I guess I'm asking if there's an underlying problem with the model
> here, or if it's just the details of the numbers that are "wrong" in
> encouraging / discouraging certain behaviours.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Tim.
> > >
> > > I just wish "they" would remember that their ultimate customers don’t
> usually have 10G pipes - they have 6M and 10M pipes that may take hours, if
> not days, to download one of these mega blobs.
> >
> > U, it is 2020, not 2010. 100M, 200M, 400M or 1G is increasingly
> common for home broadband. I’ve got 400M at home, could get 1G fiber for
> less than $100 if I wanted it, and I’m in your average, run-of-the-mill
> Midwest city.
> >
> >
> > -Andy
>
>
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Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

[Tom Deligiannis]

My point was, the user has the option properly configured, but the console
still isn't updating until the console is turned on. I'm not implying that
it doesn't work, I'm simply stating that some users claim to have the
options configured properly but that updates are still not downloading w/o
user interaction.

Tom


On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 2:03 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Because the disks are shut off by default in standby mode.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
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>
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 2:53 PM Tom Deligiannis 
> wrote:
>
>>   Aren't most modern consoles on whether they're "on" or not? IE: It's
>>> not a full power up from a dead stop, 0 watts power usage.
>>>
>>> I'd think they'd be able to come out of sleep mode on their own,
>>> download the update, then go back to sleep.
>>>
>>
>> Xbox has this feature, but it doesn't work very well. A quick google
>> search shows that many users have their consoles set to receive updates,
>> but that feature doesn't seem to be working properly.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 1:46 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> Aren't most modern consoles on whether they're "on" or not? IE: It's not
>>> a full power up from a dead stop, 0 watts power usage.
>>>
>>> I'd think they'd be able to come out of sleep mode on their own,
>>> download the update, then go back to sleep.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
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>>> *From: *"Seth Mattinen" 
>>> *To: *nanog@nanog.org
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 12, 2020 1:42:21 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that
>>>
>>> On 2/12/20 11:31, Livingood, Jason wrote:
>>> > But I think folks are correct that the issue may be more that a given
>>> gaming device was turned off at night (though no reason that device could
>>> not pre-cache the content from the source). In any case, there should be a
>>> better way to address this. The Internet will see more and more of these
>>> downloads and smoothing the impact out seems prudent for all involved.
>>>
>>>
>>> Putting my end user hat on, I turn off all my consoles when I'm not
>>> using them, often for weeks. When I get home and it looks like I'll have
>>> time to play after dinner I'll turn one of them on and let it
>>> download/install. I don't really care that my off work and dinner times
>>> might not be convenient for my ISP to download giant files. I fully
>>> understand the ISP's perspective, but I'm not going to start leaving my
>>> consoles on 24x7.
>>>
>>> The way to address this used to be this thing called "physical media"
>>> that held games, but nowadays even when I have a game on disc it has to
>>> download at least one massive patch before it will play.
>>>
>>>

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

[Tom Deligiannis]

>
>   Aren't most modern consoles on whether they're "on" or not? IE: It's not
> a full power up from a dead stop, 0 watts power usage.
>
> I'd think they'd be able to come out of sleep mode on their own, download
> the update, then go back to sleep.
>

Xbox has this feature, but it doesn't work very well. A quick google search
shows that many users have their consoles set to receive updates, but that
feature doesn't seem to be working properly.

Tom

On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 1:46 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Aren't most modern consoles on whether they're "on" or not? IE: It's not a
> full power up from a dead stop, 0 watts power usage.
>
> I'd think they'd be able to come out of sleep mode on their own, download
> the update, then go back to sleep.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Seth Mattinen" 
> *To: *nanog@nanog.org
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 12, 2020 1:42:21 PM
> *Subject: *Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that
>
> On 2/12/20 11:31, Livingood, Jason wrote:
> > But I think folks are correct that the issue may be more that a given
> gaming device was turned off at night (though no reason that device could
> not pre-cache the content from the source). In any case, there should be a
> better way to address this. The Internet will see more and more of these
> downloads and smoothing the impact out seems prudent for all involved.
>
>
> Putting my end user hat on, I turn off all my consoles when I'm not
> using them, often for weeks. When I get home and it looks like I'll have
> time to play after dinner I'll turn one of them on and let it
> download/install. I don't really care that my off work and dinner times
> might not be convenient for my ISP to download giant files. I fully
> understand the ISP's perspective, but I'm not going to start leaving my
> consoles on 24x7.
>
> The way to address this used to be this thing called "physical media"
> that held games, but nowadays even when I have a game on disc it has to
> download at least one massive patch before it will play.
>
>

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

[Tom Deligiannis]

Yup, Call of Duty update, 68GB on xbox platform.

Tom


On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 10:26 PM Aaron Gould  wrote:

> Huge!  Big as ever.  My aanp links are (were) pegged, seriously.  I will
> be contacting Akamai about lighting up an additional 10 gig link to my
> local clusters.  Started at 12 noon central… still going pretty heavily.
> Game/update release ?
>
>
>
> -Aaron
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Tom Deligiannis [mailto:tom.deligian...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 11, 2020 5:41 PM
> *To:* aar...@gvtc.com
> *Cc:* Nanog@nanog.org
> *Subject:* Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that
>
>
>
> There is a major update that has released today, how's everything looking
> for everyone?
>
>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

[Tom Deligiannis]

There is a major update that has released today, how's everything looking
for everyone?

Tom


On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 10:14 AM Aaron Gould  wrote:

> My gosh, what in the word was that coming out of my local Akamai aanp
> servers yesterday !?  starting at about 12:00 noon central time lasting
> several hours ?
>
>
>
> -Aaron
>

On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 2:02 PM Tom Deligiannis 
wrote:

> Shouldn't game patches like this be released overnight during off-peak
>> hours? Fortnite releases their updates around 3 or 4am when most ISP's
>> networks are at their lowest utilization. It seems somewhat reckless to
>> release such a large patch during awake hours.
>>
>
> I can't speak for PS4 and PC, but xbox does have a setting to keep the
> console in a state that allows the device to download updates when it is
> 'off' but I've noticed that the consoles don't always follow that rule and
> the update starts downloading when the user powers on the console, which is
> usually during peak hours. If this worked properly, it would be great since
> most of the updates would download while users were at school, working,
> sleeping, etc.
>
> On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 1:36 PM Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
>> Shouldn't game patches like this be released overnight during off-peak
>> hours? Fortnite releases their updates around 3 or 4am when most ISP's
>> networks are at their lowest utilization. It seems somewhat reckless to
>> release such a large patch during awake hours.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 12:08 PM Brandon Jackson via NANOG 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare fragged our business VOIP: US ISP blames
>>> outage on smash-hit video game rush
>>> This is Windstream, going dark..."
>>> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/01/23/windstream_fvoip_outage/
>>>
>>> Apparently not everyone came out unscathed.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Brandon Jackson
>>> bjack...@napshome.net
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 10:14 AM Aaron Gould  wrote:
>>>
>>>> My gosh, what in the word was that coming out of my local Akamai aanp
>>>> servers yesterday !?  starting at about 12:00 noon central time lasting
>>>> several hours ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Aaron
>>>>
>>>

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

[Tom Deligiannis]

>
> Shouldn't game patches like this be released overnight during off-peak
> hours? Fortnite releases their updates around 3 or 4am when most ISP's
> networks are at their lowest utilization. It seems somewhat reckless to
> release such a large patch during awake hours.
>

I can't speak for PS4 and PC, but xbox does have a setting to keep the
console in a state that allows the device to download updates when it is
'off' but I've noticed that the consoles don't always follow that rule and
the update starts downloading when the user powers on the console, which is
usually during peak hours. If this worked properly, it would be great since
most of the updates would download while users were at school, working,
sleeping, etc.

On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 1:36 PM Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> Shouldn't game patches like this be released overnight during off-peak
> hours? Fortnite releases their updates around 3 or 4am when most ISP's
> networks are at their lowest utilization. It seems somewhat reckless to
> release such a large patch during awake hours.
>
> On Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 12:08 PM Brandon Jackson via NANOG 
> wrote:
>
>> "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare fragged our business VOIP: US ISP blames
>> outage on smash-hit video game rush
>> This is Windstream, going dark..."
>> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/01/23/windstream_fvoip_outage/
>>
>> Apparently not everyone came out unscathed.
>>
>> --
>> Brandon Jackson
>> bjack...@napshome.net
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 10:14 AM Aaron Gould  wrote:
>>
>>> My gosh, what in the word was that coming out of my local Akamai aanp
>>> servers yesterday !?  starting at about 12:00 noon central time lasting
>>> several hours ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Aaron
>>>
>>

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

[Tom Deligiannis]

>
> I get annoyed when I'm chatting with friends, waiting to play some game
> we decided to download, and it's ONLY downloading at 300 megabits per
> second! :P


In this scenario, which mechanism controls the download speed? I hear many
users complain that their gigabit internet connection is not maxing out and
the update is taking forever. I would never expect a gigabit internet
connection to be saturated during a game update, but I'm curious how the
throttling works.

Thanks.


>

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 1:22 PM Chris Adams  wrote:

> Once upon a time, Hugo Slabbert  said:
> > > This just follows the same rules as networks have always seemed to; If
> > you build it, they will come, and you'll have to build more. :)
> >
> > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand
>
> Yep, just like your disk space requirements will always grow to 110% of
> available space.
>
> I get annoyed when I'm chatting with friends, waiting to play some game
> we decided to download, and it's ONLY downloading at 300 megabits per
> second! :P
> --
> Chris Adams 
>