Re: IPv6 Traffic Re: IPv6? Re: Where to Use 240/4 Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block

2024-01-15 Thread jordi.palet--- via NANOG
No, I’m not saying that. I’m saying "in actual deployments", which doesn’t mean 
that everyone is deploying, we are missing many ISPs, we are missing many 
enterprises.

Saludos,
Jordi

@jordipalet


> El 15 ene 2024, a las 9:26, Saku Ytti  escribió:
> 
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 at 10:05, jordi.palet--- via NANOG  
> wrote:
> 
>> In actual customer deployments I see the same levels, even up to 85% of IPv6 
>> traffic. It basically depends on the usage of the caches and the % of 
>> residential vs corporate customers.
> 
> You think you are contributing to the IPv6 cause, by explaining how
> positive the situation is. But in reality you are damaging it greatly,
> because you're not communicating that we are not on a path to IPv4
> free Internet. If we had been on such a path, we would have been IPv4
> free for more than a decade. And unless we admit we are not on that
> path, we will not work to get on that path.
> 
> -- 
>  ++ytti



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Re: IPv6 Traffic Re: IPv6? Re: Where to Use 240/4 Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block

2024-01-15 Thread jordi.palet--- via NANOG
All those measurements are missing the amount of traffic in the caches located 
at the ISPs.

For each download passing thru AMSIX, there are thousands of multiples of that 
download (videos, music, documents, static contents, OS updates, etc.) flowing 
to thousands of customers. In some cases is even hundreds of thousands, or even 
millions.

There is not an easy way to measure IPv6 traffic, unless it is done at the ISP 
level, and if you as, to ISPs that have deployed IPv6, they will tell you 
different numbers. For example, T-Mobile already explained a few years ago in 
v6ops that they were having over 75% of IPv6 traffic, 24% in the NAT64 and 1% 
in the CLAT+NAT64.

In actual customer deployments I see the same levels, even up to 85% of IPv6 
traffic. It basically depends on the usage of the caches and the % of 
residential vs corporate customers.

Regards,
Jordi

@jordipalet


> El 15 ene 2024, a las 7:50, Saku Ytti  escribió:
> 
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 at 06:18, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
> 
>> If 50٪ of the servers and 50% of the clients can do IPv6, the amount of IPv6 
>> traffic will be around 25% since both ends have to do IPv6.
> 
> This assumes cosmological principle applies to the Internet, but Internet 
> traffic is not uniformly distributed.
> 
> It is entirely possible, and even reasonable, that AMSIX ~5% and GOOG 40% are 
> bps shares, and both are correct. Because AMSIX sees large entropy between 
> A-B end-points, GOOG sees very low entropy, it being always the B. 
> 
> Certain tier1 transit network could see traffic being >50% IPv6 between two 
> specific pops, so great IPv6 adoption? Except it was a single CDN sending 
> traffic from them to them, if you'd exclude that CDN flows between the pop, 
> the IPv6 traffic share was low single digit percentage. 
> 
> I am not saying IPv6 traffic is not increasing, I am saying that we are not 
> doing any favours to anyone, pretending we are on-track and that this will 
> happen, and that there are organic drivers which will ensure we are going to 
> end up with IPV6-only Internet.
> 
> --
>   ++ytti



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