Netgate TNSR software router using DPDK/VPP/FRR

[nanog-isp]

Hello NANOG,

Has anybody kicked the tires of Netgate's TNSR software router that uses 
DPDK/VPP/FRR and would like to share their experience?

Jared

Re: SFP supplier in Europe?

[nanog-isp]

Only short haul is in stock.

Jared

> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2019 
> From: "Bjørn Mork" 
> To: nanog-...@mail.com
> Cc: fwessl...@succinctsystems.com, nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: SFP supplier in Europe?
>
> nanog-...@mail.com writes:
> 
> > Unfortunately Fiberstore is what led me to ask about alternative
> > suppliers. Fiberstore actually ships in their Bidi SFPs from Asia
> 
> 
> Odd. They have lots of different BiDi SFFs "in Stock, EU Warehouse"
> according to https://www.fs.com/de-en/c/bidi-sfp-89
> 
> > and lead times are one to two weeks.
> 
> My experience is that they ship a lot faster than that from Asia too,
> but I guess I've just been lucky.
> 
> 
> Bjørn
>

Re: SFP supplier in Europe?

[nanog-isp]

I'm just quoting what they state on their web pages. Not all models are in 
stock at their EU warehouses.

Jared

Sent: Friday, April 05, 2019
From: "Aled Morris" 
To: nanog-...@mail.com
Cc: fwessl...@succinctsystems.com, NANOG 
Subject: Re: SFP supplier in Europe?

On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 at 21:52, mailto:nanog-...@mail.com]> 
wrote:
Thanks to everybody that recommended Fiberstore and Flexoptics.

Unfortunately Fiberstore is what led me to ask about alternative suppliers. 
Fiberstore actually ships in their Bidi SFPs from Asia and lead times are one 
to two weeks. Flexoptics is actually worse with 4-6 weeks after ordering.
 
That's not been my experience with either of them.  
 
Aled

Re: SFP supplier in Europe?

[nanog-isp]

Thanks to everybody that recommended Fiberstore and Flexoptics.

Unfortunately Fiberstore is what led me to ask about alternative suppliers. 
Fiberstore actually ships in their Bidi SFPs from Asia and lead times are one 
to two weeks. Flexoptics is actually worse with 4-6 weeks after ordering.

Jared

> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2019
> From: fwessl...@succinctsystems.com
> To: nanog@nanog.org, mike.l...@gmail.com, "i3D.net - Martijn Schmidt" 
> 
> Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" , "nanog-...@mail.com" 
> 
> Subject: Re: SFP supplier in Europe?
>
>  fs.com for sure
>
> On April 4, 2019 4:38:07 PM EDT, mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:
> >May want to try fs.com.
> >
> >https://www.fs.com/company/about_us.html
> >
> >I use their optics and am quite happy with them.
> >
> >-Mike
> >
> >> On Apr 4, 2019, at 13:19, i3D.net - Martijn Schmidt
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> You'll want to have a talk with FlexOptix, they're based in Germany
> >and you can live view the stock in their local warehouse on the
> >website, without even logging in. They've got a great team too!
> >>
> >>> On 4 April 2019 23:09:15 EEST, nanog-...@mail.com wrote:
> >>> Hello NANOG,
> >>>
> >>> Could somebody recommend an SFP supplier in Europe with a warehouse
> >in the EU and fast shipping? I need to pick up some 80km Bidi SFPs and
> >I'd prefer to use a supplier has and will keep stock locally.
> >>>
> >>> Jared
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
> Frederick Wessling (CIO)
> Succinct Systems LLC
> Cell: +1(561) 571-2799
> Office: +1(904) 758-9915 ext. 9925
> Fax: +1(904) 758-9987
> www.SuccinctSystems.com
>

SFP supplier in Europe?

[nanog-isp]

Hello NANOG,

Could somebody recommend an SFP supplier in Europe with a warehouse in the EU 
and fast shipping? I need to pick up some 80km Bidi SFPs and I'd prefer to use 
a supplier has and will keep stock locally.

Jared

Re: How to choose a transit provider?

[nanog-isp]

Mike Hammett wrote:
> Usually, DIA (as transit delivered to a customer) is more expensive than 
> transport + transit + small colo 
> (1U\2U stuff) + IX... at least as observed by many of my brethren. 

  Is this really true in the general case?

  Adding colo and IX to transport and transit involves at least one additional 
cross connect and an IX port fee. This is likely to push the total above the 
pure DIA price.

  However, regardless of how the numbers pencil out, this isn't really a fair 
comparison. For small ISPs, the yardstick against which adding an IX to the mix 
is usually measured against is the marginal cost of IP transit. Given that the 
cost of transport is fixed, is it more economical to buy more IP transit or to 
join an IX?

  Transit being so cheap means that joining an IX isn't always so enticing from 
a financial perspective, although there are other non-monetary benefits.

  I certainly subscribe to the notion that transport + transit is usually less 
expensive than DIA, but this does depend on the market and location.

Jared

Re: Proving Gig Speed

[nanog-isp]

No, but you can connect iPhones with gigabit Ethernet over copper. 

Jared

>-Original Message- 
>From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces at nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike 
>Hammett
>Cc: NANOG list 
>Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
>
> I don't think iPhones have SFP cages. 
>
>
>
>
>- 
>Mike Hammett 
>Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>http://www.ics-il.com 
>
>Midwest-IX 
>http://www.midwest-ix.com 

Friday musing - Long distance fiber deployment resources

[nanog-isp]

There are a lot more cows than people with money in rural/remote areas. 

Getting fiber to remote unserved areas is not a technical problem, it's a 
money/political problem. 

On a good day, deploying 400 km of fiber costs in the ballpark of $10M. To that 
you then have to add the recurring costs of operations, maintenance and fees 
for the use of the right of way. 

If the community can pay for that, all is good and well, just have at it. If 
not, somebody has to subsidize it and then it becomes a political problem. 

Jared



From: NANOG  on behalf of Alain Hebert 
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 8:05 PM
To: nanog at nanog.org
Subject: Friday musing - Long distance fiber deployment resources

 Warning: For just plain curiosity at the moment.


 I was looking for publicly accessible feasibility studies, white
papers, etc, about long distance fiber deployment.  (> 400km, aka >250
miles)

 The interest comes from documenting myself about how poorly
deserved are the northern communities in Canada.  And how "freakn a
shame it is to get pwned" by France telecom wise =D.

 At this point my Goolge Fu is hardly getting thru the pointless
clutter search engines accumulated over the years...


 From the numerous input so far:

 A lot of the attempts where made to use facilities like rail or
electrical grid distribution, but it always ended squashed by a massive
push back from the telecom industries, and in one case, maybe the FMI.


 I'm thinking:

 If people can invest millions into DOTCOM that put fitbits on
cows...  There must be a way to help those communities.  And ourself,
from under the telecom giants.


 Thanks.

-
Alain Hebertahebert at pubnix.net
PubNIX Inc.
50 boul. St-Charles
P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7
Tel: 514-990-5911  http://www.pubnix.netFax: 514-990-9443
PubNIX Inc. – Branché sur le monde – Connected to the 
World
www.pubnix.net
PubNIX is a boutique Internet service provider with personalized service that 
offers you an alternative to "Big Telco". At PubNIX, we are committed to 
providing you

TRILL

[nanog-isp]

Hi all!

Can anybody recommend any good resources on TRILL? Particularly anything that 
addresses do's and don'ts or any problems and pitfalls. Also any experiences 
deploying and using TRILL in networks that anybody would like to share would be 
welcome. 

For clarity, this is the TRILL I'm referring to:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRILL_(computing)

Jared

Re: One Year On: IPv4 Exhaust

[nanog-isp]

> From: "Owen DeLong" 
>
>> I know, but for the "server guys" turning on IPv6 it's pretty low on
>> priority list.
>
> Which is a selfish, arrogant, and extremely short-sighted and unenlightened 
> view of self-interest.
  Yes, yes, but is it economically rational?


Jared

Re: T-Mobile's Binge On violates net neutrality, says Stanford report

[nanog-isp]

>  In a new report published today - and filed to the FCC, as well
>  - van Schewick says that Binge on "violates key net neutrality
>  principles" and "is likely to violate the FCC's general conduct
>  rule."

Sure it does, but will anything ever be done about it?

Jared

Re: IPv6 traffic percentages?

[nanog-isp]

On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 Niels Bakker wrote:
> https://www.stateoftheinternet.com/trends-visualizations-ipv6-adoption-ipv4-exhaustion-global-heat-map-network-country-growth-data.html

Thanks, I looked at that link before I posted. Unfortunately the data is both 
too coarse and too narrow to be of much use. I'm sure it tells us something 
about Akamai's and their customers' IPv6 efforts, but it does not tell ISPs 
anything about what kind of IPv6 flows and volumes to expect. 

>From what I've learned so far IPv6 percentages of total traffic for ISPs vary 
>between very little to a small amount. This pretty much gives lie to the 
>claims that IPv6 efforts will reduce pressure on CGNAT resources. 

Jared

Re: IPv6 traffic percentages?

[nanog-isp]

On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 Jared Mauch wrote:
> I currently see around 56.4:1 with the timing of peaks the same in v4 and v6.
So that's more in line with AMS-IX (70G/4T) than Comcast/Swisscom then. AMS-IX: 
https://ams-ix.net/technical/statistics/sflow-stats/ipv6-traffic

- Jared (the First of his name :)

IPv6 traffic percentages?

[nanog-isp]

Hello all,

Would those with IPv6 deployments kindly share some statistics on their 
percentage of IPv6 traffic?

Bonus points for sharing top IPv6 sources. Anything else than the usual 
suspects, Google/YouTube, Netflix and Facebook?

Some public information I've found so far:
- Comcast around 25% IPv6 traffic ( 
http://www.lightreading.com/ethernet-ip/ip-protocols-software/facebook-ipv6-is-a-real-world-big-deal/a/d-id/718395
 )
- Comcast has over 1 Tb/s (of mostly YouTube traffic) over IPv6 ( 
http://corporate.comcast.com/comcast-voices/comcast-reaches-key-milestone-in-launch-of-ipv6-broadband-network
 )
- Swisscom 26% IPv6 traffic, 60% YouTube ( 
http://www.swinog.ch/meetings/swinog27/p/01_Martin_Gysi.pdf )

I'd be very much interested in hearing from smaller ISPs, especially those 
having a very limited number of IPv4 addresses and/or running out. 


Thanks,

Jared

Re: GPON vs. GEPON

[nanog-isp]

> If you take out "bitrate, split ratio, cross vendor compatibility and 
> purchase price differences" then what else would you like to compare or know?
  All the interesting bits obviously :)
  Anybody can read the bitrates, split ratios, compatibility and price of a 
spec sheet/quote. That however leaves out all the interesting operative aspects 
such as auxiliary network requirement, service turn up and software tool 
differences between the two standards.
  The hard facts only cover the CAPEX part of the TCO equation and the 
differences between GPON and GEPON are small. Controlling for any parameter 
roughly equal or if any different within a constant factor of less than two.
  I'm more interested in the OPEX part, to find out if there are any 
(significant) differences between the two. 
 
I welcome all insight into the operative aspects of GPON and/or GEPON, 
regardless if you have used one or both. 

>> One, you can deliver a true 1Gbps service where more than one customer on a 
>> PON segment can actually get 1Gbps at a time, because the GPON supports 
>> 2.4Gbps of
>> total usage on the segment.
  I know this is a quote of a quote, whose origin I do not know, but I would 
not feel comfortable offering "a true 1Gbps service" on any PON system with 
less than 10G of capacity. Plain GPON/GEPON is meant to be split vigorously to 
achieve cost savings in the OSP and as such aren't suitable for gigabit speeds. 
It's more like a 100M kind of technology. 


Jared

GPON vs. GEPON

[nanog-isp]

Hello all,

For those of you with optical last mile networks that are familiar with both 
GPON and GEPON, would you mind sharing experiences of the differences between 
GPON and GEPON, especially from an operative perspective?

For arguments sake let's assume bitrate, split ratio, cross vendor 
compatibility and purchase price differences aren't of major interest. 

Thanks,

Jared

Re: Binge On! - And So This is Net Neutrality?

[nanog-isp]

So, which porn sites are zero rated? Uh, asking for a friend. 

(Would love to be a fly on the wall when those and other uncomfortable requests 
to join come in.)

Jared

RE: Favorite GPON Vendor?

[nanog-isp]

> Too bad they require registration

Direct download link:

http://www.webcaster4.com/Player/Material?uid=2305846=5f4478fb-d75f-4ef6-93f3-e25b67862c7a

Or login with d...@sharklasers.com. 

Jared

New ISPs getting of the ground without IPv4?

[nanog-isp]

Surprisingly enough demand for Internet services did not end when we ran out of 
IPv4. I'd like to hear from the guys and gals starting new ISPs how they are 
facing this brave new world. 

Is it NATs all the way down?

Is IPv6 the knight in shining armor?

Are you getting enough IPs? If not, how are you coping? Buying/renting some, 
tunneling to somebody who has some, what?

It's all good and well hearing about how you should dual stack and reading 
about how established players handle IPv6 and IPv4 exhaustion, but what do you 
do when dual stacking isn't an option and IPv6 only takes you so far? 

Now is your chance to shine and bring us some tales from the trenches :)

Jared