Re: 24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ

[Carsten Bormann]

On 2020-04-18, at 03:08, Rich Kulawiec  wrote:
> 
> 24x7x365 thus means every hour of 7 years.  YES, I know, I know.

Clearly, it means the NOC only operates in the seven years of great abundance 
that precede the seven years of famine (Genesis 41:29 etc.).  I think I have 
seen such NOCs before :-)

Grüße, Carsten

Re: 24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ

[Ben Cannon]

Rich. I am truly sorry.  also this was great thank you.

-Ben

> On Apr 17, 2020, at 6:09 PM, Rich Kulawiec  wrote:
> 
> (since it's Friday and we're all stressed)
> 
> I can't believe that out of everything I wrote that we're going to discuss
> the semantics of this, but then again: yes I can.  I should have known.
> I should have known.  I. Should. Have. Known.  *bangs head on desk*
> *reaches for scotch*  Alrighty then:
> 
> 24x7 means every hour of the week, as in "24 by 7".
> 
> 24x365 means every hour of the year. (modulo those with 366 days
>but please let's not go there because this is bad enough)
>(oh wait, too late, someone upthread already went there)
>(and then leap seconds reared their ugly head, oh good grief)
> 
> 24x7x365 thus means every hour of 7 years.  YES, I know, I know.
> 
> 60x24x7...no.  NO.  I will not go there.  Nor will you.  Just stop.
>I swear I will turn this car around *right now*.
> 
> Yeah, I know it's in common use.  Like any number of other things in
> common use (e.g., "going forward" -- really?  like there's another
> direction to go?) it's...annoying.
> 
> I suspect that someone who just wasn't thinking started this in an
> attempt to out-promote people who merely said 24x7 or 24x365, and it
> propagated outwards.  If that hypothesis is correct and there is thus
> a patient 0 for this epidemic, I very much want to find them and pummel
> them with a bag of Oxford commas.
> 
> rsk

Re: 24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ

[William Herrin]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 6:09 PM Rich Kulawiec  wrote:
> 24x7 means every hour of the week, as in "24 by 7".
>
> 24x365 means every hour of the year. (modulo those with 366 days
> but please let's not go there because this is bad enough)
> (oh wait, too late, someone upthread already went there)
> (and then leap seconds reared their ugly head, oh good grief)
>
> 24x7x365 thus means every hour of 7 years.  YES, I know, I know.

If we're gonna do this, let's at least inform the discussion with a
few citations:

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/24x7x365

https://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/buzzword/entries/24-7-365.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24/7_service

Regards,
Bill Herrin


-- 
William Herrin
b...@herrin.us
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Re: 24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ

[Rich Kulawiec]

(since it's Friday and we're all stressed)

I can't believe that out of everything I wrote that we're going to discuss
the semantics of this, but then again: yes I can.  I should have known.
I should have known.  I. Should. Have. Known.  *bangs head on desk*
*reaches for scotch*  Alrighty then:

24x7 means every hour of the week, as in "24 by 7".

24x365 means every hour of the year. (modulo those with 366 days
but please let's not go there because this is bad enough)
(oh wait, too late, someone upthread already went there)
(and then leap seconds reared their ugly head, oh good grief)

24x7x365 thus means every hour of 7 years.  YES, I know, I know.

60x24x7...no.  NO.  I will not go there.  Nor will you.  Just stop.
I swear I will turn this car around *right now*.

Yeah, I know it's in common use.  Like any number of other things in
common use (e.g., "going forward" -- really?  like there's another
direction to go?) it's...annoying.

I suspect that someone who just wasn't thinking started this in an
attempt to out-promote people who merely said 24x7 or 24x365, and it
propagated outwards.  If that hypothesis is correct and there is thus
a patient 0 for this epidemic, I very much want to find them and pummel
them with a bag of Oxford commas.

rsk

Re: 24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ

[William Herrin]

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 3:07 AM Forrest Christian (List Account)
 wrote:
> If you're going for accuracy, does 24x365 mean you close one day this year?   
> Or should you actually be saying 24x365.25, or even more accurately 
> 24x365.2425 (but still not exact).

How can you be that pedantic and not factor in leap seconds?

24x7x365 is common usage meaning that yes, you really are open all day
every day even 24-hours on Sunday and Holidays. It's not at all
unusual for a 24/7 store to close Sunday evening and reopen early
Monday morning.

Regards.
Bill Herrin



-- 
William Herrin
b...@herrin.us
https://bill.herrin.us/

Re: Language evolution (was 24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ)

[Mike Hale]

What?

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 2:48 PM Bryan Fields  wrote:
>
> On 4/16/20 4:48 PM, Ben Cannon wrote:
> > Side note: What you describe is in-fact part of how languages change and 
> > evolve.  (over time, sufficiently common incorrect use becomes. well. 
> > correct.)
>
> Top posting will never be correct, even if the entire world does it.
>
> :-)
> --
> Bryan Fields
>
> 727-409-1194 - Voice
> http://bryanfields.net



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Re: Language evolution (was 24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ)

[Bryan Fields]

On 4/16/20 4:48 PM, Ben Cannon wrote:
> Side note: What you describe is in-fact part of how languages change and 
> evolve.  (over time, sufficiently common incorrect use becomes. well. 
> correct.)

Top posting will never be correct, even if the entire world does it.

:-)
-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net

Re: 24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ

[Ben Cannon]

Honestly, sometimes I include the "Three-Hundred Sixty-Five and a Quarter” on 
conference calls.

Side note: What you describe is in-fact part of how languages change and 
evolve.  (over time, sufficiently common incorrect use becomes. well. correct.)

-Ben Cannon
CEO 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
b...@6by7.net 




> On Apr 16, 2020, at 3:07 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sorry I can't resist...
> 
> If you're going for accuracy, does 24x365 mean you close one day this year?   
> Or should you actually be saying 24x365.25, or even more accurately 
> 24x365.2425 (but still not exact).
> 
> Oh wait, we missed the leap seconds in there, which there isn't any real way 
> to average out since they occur at semi-random intervals.So I don't know 
> what we should adjust the 24 to...
> 
> I just look at 24x7x365 as shorthand for "24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 
> days a year", which is a common saying meaning always open.   It isn't a 
> mathematical formula.   It doesn't have to be exact or make mathematical 
> sense.  
> 
> There are lots of things that if you think about too hard they don't make 
> sense.  The one this week I thought about was "hunger benefit".   Does that 
> mean we're raising money to increase hunger?  One could go on and on trying 
> to correct logical inconsistencies in our use of language.   It's fun on 
> occasion to point them out, but saying that something has to be corrected 
> just because it doesn't make logical or mathematical sense just seems as sill 
> as some of the phrases that we laugh about being logically inconsistent.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 2:35 AM Owen DeLong  > wrote:
> 24x7 is way more common, but does leave ambiguity as to holiday coverage. 
> (there are some 24x7 businesses that close for holidays).
> 
> 24x7x365 is on the rise as a way to specify that you’re open holidays too.
> 
> End of the day, I’m not sure it matters which one you use.
> 
> Likely any Google search for 24x7 would return the superset {24x7,24x7x365} 
> while a search for 24x7x365 would return the subset {24x7x365}.
> 
> IANASEOE, but I suspect that in terms of SEO and general search, you’re 
> probably better off with 24x7x365.
> 
> Owen
> 
> 
>> On Apr 16, 2020, at 01:25 , Mike Hale > > wrote:
>> 
>> No.  24x7x365 is fine.  Sheesh.
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 10:10 PM Ben Cannon > > wrote:
>> So I’m taking this thread for a total test-drive and we’re going down this 
>> random ally...
>> 
>> I call our NOC “24x7x365”  I hear that in my head as “twenty-four (hour) - 
>> BY - Seven (days a week) - BY - 365 (days a year, indicating we don’t close 
>> on any holidays).
>> 
>> Is that really not a thing?  I swear I’ve been hearing it as a term of art 
>> in the industry for 20 years.Google has 1.42m results for 24x7x365 - but 
>> 72mil for 24x7.
>> 
>> Should I change my website or what?
>> 
>> Thanks for indulging me :)
>> 
>> -Ben.
>> 
>> 
>> -Ben Cannon
>> CEO 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
>> b...@6by7.net 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:45 AM, Rich Kulawiec >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Your home page says that you have 24x7x365 support.
>>> 
>>> (Which is wrong, by the way.  It's either 24x7 or 24x365
>>> or maybe 24x7x52 depending on what you're trying to express.
>>> There is no such thing as 24x7x365.  But let's press on:)
>> 
>> (Rich’s excellent critique deleted for brevity)
>>> ---rsk
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> - Forrest

Re: 24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ

[Valdis Klētnieks]

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 22:06:52 -0700, Ben Cannon said:

> I call our NOC “24x7x365”  I hear that in my head as “twenty-four 
> (hour) - BY
> - Seven (days a week) - BY - 365 (days a year, indicating we don’t close on 
> any holidays).

x365 is fine, to distinguish from 24x7x360 operations that are running on
autopilot on Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year and such



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Re: 24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Sorry I can't resist...

If you're going for accuracy, does 24x365 mean you close one day this
year?   Or should you actually be saying 24x365.25, or even more accurately
24x365.2425 (but still not exact).

Oh wait, we missed the leap seconds in there, which there isn't any real
way to average out since they occur at semi-random intervals.So I don't
know what we should adjust the 24 to...

I just look at 24x7x365 as shorthand for "24 hours a day, 7 days a week,
365 days a year", which is a common saying meaning always open.   It isn't
a mathematical formula.   It doesn't have to be exact or make mathematical
sense.

There are lots of things that if you think about too hard they don't make
sense.  The one this week I thought about was "hunger benefit".   Does that
mean we're raising money to increase hunger?  One could go on and on trying
to correct logical inconsistencies in our use of language.   It's fun on
occasion to point them out, but saying that something has to be corrected
just because it doesn't make logical or mathematical sense just seems as
sill as some of the phrases that we laugh about being logically
inconsistent.




On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 2:35 AM Owen DeLong  wrote:

> 24x7 is way more common, but does leave ambiguity as to holiday coverage.
> (there are some 24x7 businesses that close for holidays).
>
> 24x7x365 is on the rise as a way to specify that you’re open holidays too.
>
> End of the day, I’m not sure it matters which one you use.
>
> Likely any Google search for 24x7 would return the superset
> {24x7,24x7x365} while a search for 24x7x365 would return the subset
> {24x7x365}.
>
> IANASEOE, but I suspect that in terms of SEO and general search, you’re
> probably better off with 24x7x365.
>
> Owen
>
>
> On Apr 16, 2020, at 01:25 , Mike Hale  wrote:
>
> No.  24x7x365 is fine.  Sheesh.
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 10:10 PM Ben Cannon  wrote:
>
>> So I’m taking this thread for a total test-drive and we’re going down
>> this random ally...
>>
>> I call our NOC “24x7x365”  I hear that in my head as “twenty-four (hour)
>> - BY - Seven (days a week) - BY - 365 (days a year, indicating we don’t
>> close on any holidays).
>>
>> Is that really not a thing?  I swear I’ve been hearing it as a term of
>> art in the industry for 20 years.Google has 1.42m results for 24x7x365
>> - but 72mil for 24x7.
>>
>> Should I change my website or what?
>>
>> Thanks for indulging me :)
>>
>> -Ben.
>>
>>
>> -Ben Cannon
>> CEO 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC
>> b...@6by7.net
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:45 AM, Rich Kulawiec  wrote:
>>
>> Your home page says that you have 24x7x365 support.
>>
>> (Which is wrong, by the way.  It's either 24x7 or 24x365
>> or maybe 24x7x52 depending on what you're trying to express.
>> There is no such thing as 24x7x365.  But let's press on:)
>>
>>
>> (Rich’s excellent critique deleted for brevity)
>>
>> ---rsk
>>
>>
>>
>

-- 
- Forrest

Re: 24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ

[Owen DeLong]

24x7 is way more common, but does leave ambiguity as to holiday coverage. 
(there are some 24x7 businesses that close for holidays).

24x7x365 is on the rise as a way to specify that you’re open holidays too.

End of the day, I’m not sure it matters which one you use.

Likely any Google search for 24x7 would return the superset {24x7,24x7x365} 
while a search for 24x7x365 would return the subset {24x7x365}.

IANASEOE, but I suspect that in terms of SEO and general search, you’re 
probably better off with 24x7x365.

Owen


> On Apr 16, 2020, at 01:25 , Mike Hale  wrote:
> 
> No.  24x7x365 is fine.  Sheesh.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 10:10 PM Ben Cannon  > wrote:
> So I’m taking this thread for a total test-drive and we’re going down this 
> random ally...
> 
> I call our NOC “24x7x365”  I hear that in my head as “twenty-four (hour) - BY 
> - Seven (days a week) - BY - 365 (days a year, indicating we don’t close on 
> any holidays).
> 
> Is that really not a thing?  I swear I’ve been hearing it as a term of art in 
> the industry for 20 years.Google has 1.42m results for 24x7x365 - but 
> 72mil for 24x7.
> 
> Should I change my website or what?
> 
> Thanks for indulging me :)
> 
> -Ben.
> 
> 
> -Ben Cannon
> CEO 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
> b...@6by7.net 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:45 AM, Rich Kulawiec > > wrote:
>> 
>> Your home page says that you have 24x7x365 support.
>> 
>>  (Which is wrong, by the way.  It's either 24x7 or 24x365
>>  or maybe 24x7x52 depending on what you're trying to express.
>>  There is no such thing as 24x7x365.  But let's press on:)
> 
> (Rich’s excellent critique deleted for brevity)
>> ---rsk
>> 
> 

Re: 24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ

[Mike Hale]

No.  24x7x365 is fine.  Sheesh.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 10:10 PM Ben Cannon  wrote:

> So I’m taking this thread for a total test-drive and we’re going down this
> random ally...
>
> I call our NOC “24x7x365”  I hear that in my head as “twenty-four (hour) -
> BY - Seven (days a week) - BY - 365 (days a year, indicating we don’t close
> on any holidays).
>
> Is that really not a thing?  I swear I’ve been hearing it as a term of art
> in the industry for 20 years.Google has 1.42m results for 24x7x365 -
> but 72mil for 24x7.
>
> Should I change my website or what?
>
> Thanks for indulging me :)
>
> -Ben.
>
>
> -Ben Cannon
> CEO 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC
> b...@6by7.net
>
>
>
> On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:45 AM, Rich Kulawiec  wrote:
>
> Your home page says that you have 24x7x365 support.
>
> (Which is wrong, by the way.  It's either 24x7 or 24x365
> or maybe 24x7x52 depending on what you're trying to express.
> There is no such thing as 24x7x365.  But let's press on:)
>
>
> (Rich’s excellent critique deleted for brevity)
>
> ---rsk
>
>
>

24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ

[Ben Cannon]

So I’m taking this thread for a total test-drive and we’re going down this 
random ally...

I call our NOC “24x7x365”  I hear that in my head as “twenty-four (hour) - BY - 
Seven (days a week) - BY - 365 (days a year, indicating we don’t close on any 
holidays).

Is that really not a thing?  I swear I’ve been hearing it as a term of art in 
the industry for 20 years.Google has 1.42m results for 24x7x365 - but 72mil 
for 24x7.

Should I change my website or what?

Thanks for indulging me :)

-Ben.


-Ben Cannon
CEO 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
b...@6by7.net 




> On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:45 AM, Rich Kulawiec  wrote:
> 
> Your home page says that you have 24x7x365 support.
> 
>   (Which is wrong, by the way.  It's either 24x7 or 24x365
>   or maybe 24x7x52 depending on what you're trying to express.
>   There is no such thing as 24x7x365.  But let's press on:)

(Rich’s excellent critique deleted for brevity)
> ---rsk
>