Re: AOL Mail updates DMARC policy to 'reject'
On Apr 23, 2014, at 12:45 AM, Grant Ridder shortdudey...@gmail.com wrote: Thought i would throw this out there. http://postmaster-blog.aol.com/2014/04/22/aol-mail-updates-dmarc-policy-to-reject/ Curious I unleashed grep on a couple of mailing lists I operate. I turned up one AOL address. I'm not saying my data is representative of the Internet, but I remember a time when they were 50% of the addresses on my mailing lists. -- Leo Bicknell - bickn...@ufp.org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: AOL Mail updates DMARC policy to 'reject'
Aol doesn't have a lot of mail users for me anymore either, but I don't have a lot of retail users on my lists. Jared Mauch On Apr 25, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Leo Bicknell bickn...@ufp.org wrote: On Apr 23, 2014, at 12:45 AM, Grant Ridder shortdudey...@gmail.com wrote: Thought i would throw this out there. http://postmaster-blog.aol.com/2014/04/22/aol-mail-updates-dmarc-policy-to-reject/ Curious I unleashed grep on a couple of mailing lists I operate. I turned up one AOL address. I'm not saying my data is representative of the Internet, but I remember a time when they were 50% of the addresses on my mailing lists. -- Leo Bicknell - bickn...@ufp.org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/
Re: AOL Mail updates DMARC policy to 'reject'
On 4/25/2014 8:00 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote: On Apr 23, 2014, at 12:45 AM, Grant Riddershortdudey...@gmail.com wrote: Thought i would throw this out there. Curious I unleashed grep on a couple of mailing lists I operate. I turned up one AOL address. I'm not saying my data is representative of the Internet, but I remember a time when they were 50% of the addresses on my mailing lists. I doubt the largest list I manage is representative of anything beyond an insane asylum, but out of 900-950, there are SIX of those laying around. Those are all addresses receiving email (I looked at the logs, just to verify). You just never know. -- If you would know a man, observe how he treats a cat. Age is not an accomplishment, and youth is not a sin. (Robert A. Heinlein, 1907–1988)
Re: AOL Mail updates DMARC policy to 'reject'
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Shrdlu shr...@deaddrop.org wrote: On 4/25/2014 8:00 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote: On Apr 23, 2014, at 12:45 AM, Grant Riddershortdudey...@gmail.com wrote: Thought i would throw this out there. Curious I unleashed grep on a couple of mailing lists I operate. I turned up one AOL address. I'm not saying my data is representative of the Internet, but I remember a time when they were 50% of the addresses on my mailing lists. I doubt the largest list I manage is representative of anything beyond an insane asylum, but out of 900-950, there are SIX of those laying around. Those are all addresses receiving email (I looked at the logs, just to verify). You just never know. Keep in mind that mailing list membership is heavily dependent on demographics of their common interest. Many mailing lists that folks on this list run themselves are likely to be technical in nature, and therefore less likely to have @aol.com address. On the other hand, I belong to a club for people who collect license plates. They tend to be older. 11% (320 of them) are active AOL users. Royce
Re: AOL Mail updates DMARC policy to 'reject'
On 04/25/2014 10:59 AM, Royce Williams wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Shrdlu shr...@deaddrop.org wrote: On 4/25/2014 8:00 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote: On Apr 23, 2014, at 12:45 AM, Grant Riddershortdudey...@gmail.com wrote: Thought i would throw this out there. Curious I unleashed grep on a couple of mailing lists I operate. I turned up one AOL address. I'm not saying my data is representative of the Internet, but I remember a time when they were 50% of the addresses on my mailing lists. I doubt the largest list I manage is representative of anything beyond an insane asylum, but out of 900-950, there are SIX of those laying around. Those are all addresses receiving email (I looked at the logs, just to verify). You just never know. Keep in mind that mailing list membership is heavily dependent on demographics of their common interest. Many mailing lists that folks on this list run themselves are likely to be technical in nature, and therefore less likely to have @aol.com address. On the other hand, I belong to a club for people who collect license plates. They tend to be older. 11% (320 of them) are active AOL users. Royce We run several mailing lists for customers. We frequently get feedback reports from AOL saying that the AOL user has flagged the message as spam. So, we remove said user from the list. They then complain that they have been removed and swear that they didn't do it. Anyone have a handle on what this is about? Steve -- -- Steven Saner ssa...@hubris.net Voice: 316-858-3000 Director of Network Operations Fax: 316-858-3001 Hubris Communicationshttp://www.hubris.net
Re: AOL Mail updates DMARC policy to 'reject'
Once upon a time, Steven Saner ssa...@hubris.net said: We run several mailing lists for customers. We frequently get feedback reports from AOL saying that the AOL user has flagged the message as spam. So, we remove said user from the list. They then complain that they have been removed and swear that they didn't do it. Anyone have a handle on what this is about? That has been a problem basically as long as AOL has had the feedback loop. The theory is that some AOL users use This is spam as a delete button; apparently at one point the buttons were right next to each other (making it an easy accident). -- Chris Adams c...@cmadams.net
Re: AOL Mail updates DMARC policy to 'reject'
On 4/25/14, 9:04 AM, Steven Saner wrote: On 04/25/2014 10:59 AM, Royce Williams wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Shrdlu shr...@deaddrop.org wrote: On 4/25/2014 8:00 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote: On Apr 23, 2014, at 12:45 AM, Grant Riddershortdudey...@gmail.com wrote: Thought i would throw this out there. Curious I unleashed grep on a couple of mailing lists I operate. I turned up one AOL address. I'm not saying my data is representative of the Internet, but I remember a time when they were 50% of the addresses on my mailing lists. I doubt the largest list I manage is representative of anything beyond an insane asylum, but out of 900-950, there are SIX of those laying around. Those are all addresses receiving email (I looked at the logs, just to verify). You just never know. Keep in mind that mailing list membership is heavily dependent on demographics of their common interest. Many mailing lists that folks on this list run themselves are likely to be technical in nature, and therefore less likely to have @aol.com address. On the other hand, I belong to a club for people who collect license plates. They tend to be older. 11% (320 of them) are active AOL users. Royce We run several mailing lists for customers. We frequently get feedback reports from AOL saying that the AOL user has flagged the message as spam. So, we remove said user from the list. They then complain that they have been removed and swear that they didn't do it. Anyone have a handle on what this is about? It's a user interface problem. marked messages disappear. aol user employees this in lieu of mailbox filtering. it could have been fixed a decade ago. Steve signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: AOL Mail updates DMARC policy to 'reject'
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Steven Saner ssa...@hubris.net wrote: We run several mailing lists for customers. We frequently get feedback reports from AOL saying that the AOL user has flagged the message as spam. So, we remove said user from the list. They then complain that they have been removed and swear that they didn't do it. Anyone have a handle on what this is about? Forged address book spam? AOL's been taking a beating on that front lately. -Jim P.
Re: AOL Mail updates DMARC policy to 'reject'
Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Steven Saner ssa...@hubris.net said: We run several mailing lists for customers. We frequently get feedback reports from AOL saying that the AOL user has flagged the message as spam. So, we remove said user from the list. They then complain that they have been removed and swear that they didn't do it. Anyone have a handle on what this is about? That has been a problem basically as long as AOL has had the feedback loop. The theory is that some AOL users use This is spam as a delete button; apparently at one point the buttons were right next to each other (making it an easy accident). I still see this one, both accidentally and intentionally (I'm not interested in this topic, so it's spam.) Most of the lists I run are small - parent-teacher organizations, churches, and such - and I generally warn people about hitting the spam button, then I drop them if they do it again. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra
Re: AOL Mail updates DMARC policy to 'reject'
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 01:35:53PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Steven Saner ssa...@hubris.net said: We run several mailing lists for customers. We frequently get feedback reports from AOL saying that the AOL user has flagged the message as spam. So, we remove said user from the list. They then complain that they have been removed and swear that they didn't do it. Anyone have a handle on what this is about? That has been a problem basically as long as AOL has had the feedback loop. The theory is that some AOL users use This is spam as a delete button; apparently at one point the buttons were right next to each other (making it an easy accident). I still see this one, both accidentally and intentionally (I'm not interested in this topic, so it's spam.) Most of the lists I run are small - parent-teacher organizations, churches, and such - and I generally warn people about hitting the spam button, then I drop them if they do it again. I see this very frequently -- dozens of times per day -- for all manner of things, including receipts for fairly expensive state government licenses and permits. I can't imagine anyone intentionally marking these as spam, but certainly can see a finger check causing the problem. -- Mike Andrews, W5EGO mi...@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin
Re: AOL Mail updates DMARC policy to 'reject'
We recognize that some legitimate senders will be challenged by this change and forced to update how they send mail and we sincerely regret the inconvenience to you. No they don't. On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Larry Sheldon larryshel...@cox.net wrote: On 4/23/2014 12:45 AM, Grant Ridder wrote: Thought i would throw this out there. http://postmaster-blog.aol.com/2014/04/22/aol-mail-updates-dmarc-policy-to-reject/ Bet THAT will get Yahoo's attention! -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Infallibility, and the ability to learn from their mistakes. (Adapted from Stephen Pinker) -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
AOL Mail updates DMARC policy to 'reject'
Thought i would throw this out there. http://postmaster-blog.aol.com/2014/04/22/aol-mail-updates-dmarc-policy-to-reject/ -Grant
Re: AOL Mail updates DMARC policy to 'reject'
On 4/23/2014 12:45 AM, Grant Ridder wrote: Thought i would throw this out there. http://postmaster-blog.aol.com/2014/04/22/aol-mail-updates-dmarc-policy-to-reject/ Bet THAT will get Yahoo's attention! -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Infallibility, and the ability to learn from their mistakes. (Adapted from Stephen Pinker)
