Re: Anternet

2014-05-07 Thread Tei
On 5 April 2014 07:44, Larry Sheldon larryshel...@cox.net wrote:
 Offered for your amusement--no followup.

 http://kottke.org/14/04/the-anternet
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A forager won't return to the nest until it finds food. If seeds are
plentiful, foragers return faster, and more ants leave the nest to
forage. If, however, ants begin returning empty handed, the search is
slowed, and perhaps called off.


No wonders ants don't govern us. This algorithm is atrocious. So if
food is scarce, most ants will stay at home and play videogames all
day, but if theres a lot of food, all of them will go around and
return with mountains of food they can't store.  Is a algorithm, from
a madman, designed to kill the hive if theres very low food or too
much food.

I propose ants start using food debts/food promises.  Ants will
print food debts to explorer ants, these explorer ants must pay
these debts by finding food. If some ant need a lot of food, that ant
will print more debt. The more food the hive need, more debt is
printed.

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Re: Anternet

2014-05-06 Thread Dave Crocker
On 4/4/2014 11:32 PM, Andrew D Kirch wrote:
 So, if there's more than 4 billion ants... what are they going to do?


get larger ants.


(and the responses have now covered both pro forma responses.)

d/

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Re: Anternet

2014-05-06 Thread William F. Maton Sotomayor

On Tue, 6 May 2014, Dave Crocker wrote:


On 4/4/2014 11:32 PM, Andrew D Kirch wrote:

So, if there's more than 4 billion ants... what are they going to do?



get larger ants.


No, no.  The solution is far simpler than that, and would probably give a 
good example of real-world population control.  Just get an ant-eater.





(and the responses have now covered both pro forma responses.)

d/

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wfms


Re: Anternet

2014-04-07 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Sat, Apr 05, 2014 at 12:44:05AM -0500,
 Larry Sheldon larryshel...@cox.net wrote 
 a message of 9 lines which said:

 http://kottke.org/14/04/the-anternet

But what is the equivalent of 3-way handshake? And of ECN (ants
carrying back messages I still bring food but it won't last)? And
the security implications (what prevent bad ants to disrupt the
mechanism: ants did not invent random ISNs)? Is there a source quench
mechanism or did the ants deprecate it long before RFC 6633? And what
is the size of the initial window?  Should we cancel all patents
related to TCP because there is prior ant art? Many questions
unanswered.



RE: Anternet

2014-04-07 Thread Sachs, Marcus Hans (Marc)
Ant algorithms are currently part of the communications infrastructure.  Here 
is a recent paper, and see the reference in the paper about the Ant Based 
Control (ABC) algorithm that is used for circuit switched networks.

Marc

http://www.ijarcsse.com/docs/papers/Volume_3/3_March2013/V3I3-0125.pdf

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Subject: Anternet

Offered for your amusement--no followup.

http://kottke.org/14/04/the-anternet
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Re: Anternet

2014-04-05 Thread Andrew D Kirch

So, if there's more than 4 billion ants... what are they going to do?

Andrew

On 4/5/2014 1:44 AM, Larry Sheldon wrote:


Offered for your amusement--no followup.

http://kottke.org/14/04/the-anternet





Re: Anternet

2014-04-05 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 2:32 AM, Andrew D Kirch trel...@trelane.net wrote:
 So, if there's more than 4 billion ants... what are they going to do?

there will never be more than 4 billion ants.

 On 4/5/2014 1:44 AM, Larry Sheldon wrote:


 Offered for your amusement--no followup.

 http://kottke.org/14/04/the-anternet






Re: Anternet

2014-04-05 Thread Jeff Kell
On 4/5/2014 2:32 AM, Andrew D Kirch wrote:
 So, if there's more than 4 billion ants... what are they going to do?

Who knows, but they'll definitely need IPv6 :)

Jeff




Re: Anternet

2014-04-05 Thread Tim Durack
Large Scale aNt will be good enough. Plus this has security advantages.

On Saturday, April 5, 2014, Jeff Kell jeff-k...@utc.edu wrote:

 On 4/5/2014 2:32 AM, Andrew D Kirch wrote:
  So, if there's more than 4 billion ants... what are they going to do?

 Who knows, but they'll definitely need IPv6 :)

 Jeff




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Re: Anternet

2014-04-05 Thread Peter Kristolaitis
This has been a solved problem for a long time.  You just need to 
implement Virtual Local Ant Nest (VLAN) and use overlapping local 
address schemes.



On 4/5/2014 2:32 AM, Andrew D Kirch wrote:

So, if there's more than 4 billion ants... what are they going to do?

Andrew

On 4/5/2014 1:44 AM, Larry Sheldon wrote:


Offered for your amusement--no followup.

http://kottke.org/14/04/the-anternet








Re: Anternet

2014-04-05 Thread Scott Weeks


--- jeff-k...@utc.edu wrote:
On 4/5/2014 2:32 AM, Andrew D Kirch wrote:

 So, if there's more than 4 billion ants... what are they going to do?

:: Who knows, but they'll definitely need IPv6 :)
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http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/nanobots.png

:-)

scott



Anternet

2014-04-04 Thread Larry Sheldon

Offered for your amusement--no followup.

http://kottke.org/14/04/the-anternet
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Re: stanford-biologist-computer-scientist-discover-anternet

2012-08-27 Thread Tei
On 27 August 2012 02:58, Suresh Ramasubramanian ops.li...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 2:54 AM, Andre Gironda an...@operations.net wrote:
 http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-biologist-computer-scientist-discover-anternet

 Looks like at least one component of unseen university's Hex is alive
 and kicking.  Good fun.


Ank-Morpock already have his own p2p client

http://antsp2p.sourceforge.net/

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stanford-biologist-computer-scientist-discover-anternet

2012-08-26 Thread Andre Gironda
?
http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-biologist-computer-scientist-discover-anternet



Re: stanford-biologist-computer-scientist-discover-anternet

2012-08-26 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 2:54 AM, Andre Gironda an...@operations.net wrote:
 http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-biologist-computer-scientist-discover-anternet

Looks like at least one component of unseen university's Hex is alive
and kicking.  Good fun.

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