Re: Any experience with FS hardware out there?

[Hugo Slabbert]

Largely from web searches, the price seemed to shake out around there.  
This wasn't from wholesale / direct Edge-Core pricing.


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On Mon 2018-Jan-08 20:30:01 -0600, Colton Conor  wrote:


Where do you get wholesale pricing from Edgecore? Simple google searches
only bring up
https://bm-switch.com/index.php/edge-core-as7712-32x-100g-bm-switch-preloaded-with-onie.html


On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:19 PM, Hugo Slabbert  wrote:



On Fri 2018-Jan-05 12:50:42 -0600, Bryan Holloway  wrote:

Fiberstore is rolling out some CRAZY cheap 100Gbps switches, and I'm

curious if anyone in the community has any thoughts or real-life world
experience with them.

E.g.: https://www.fs.com/products/69340.html

For the price point, it's almost in the "too good to be true" category.



The price is on par with the hardware cost of other whitebox Tomahawks,
e.g. Edge-Core 32x100G models like the AS7712 or AS7716 that also runs the
BCM56960, so the primary distinction seems to be that you get a NOS
included in that price.  I have zero experience with Broadcom's ICOS as
opposed to the other options on the market, so it seems to be a question of
whether you're happy with that or would be e.g. paying Cumulus or $vendor a
few K USD for a license for their NOS on it.


Naturally it claims to support an impressive range of features including

BGP, IS-IS, OSPF, MPLS, VRFs, blah blah blah.

There was an earlier discussion about packet buffer issues, but, assuming
for a second that it's not an issue, can anyone say they've used these
and/or the L2/L3 features that they purportedly support?

Thanks!
- bryan



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Re: Any experience with FS hardware out there?

[Colton Conor]

Where do you get wholesale pricing from Edgecore? Simple google searches
only bring up
https://bm-switch.com/index.php/edge-core-as7712-32x-100g-bm-switch-preloaded-with-onie.html


On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:19 PM, Hugo Slabbert  wrote:

>
> On Fri 2018-Jan-05 12:50:42 -0600, Bryan Holloway  wrote:
>
> Fiberstore is rolling out some CRAZY cheap 100Gbps switches, and I'm
>> curious if anyone in the community has any thoughts or real-life world
>> experience with them.
>>
>> E.g.: https://www.fs.com/products/69340.html
>>
>> For the price point, it's almost in the "too good to be true" category.
>>
>
> The price is on par with the hardware cost of other whitebox Tomahawks,
> e.g. Edge-Core 32x100G models like the AS7712 or AS7716 that also runs the
> BCM56960, so the primary distinction seems to be that you get a NOS
> included in that price.  I have zero experience with Broadcom's ICOS as
> opposed to the other options on the market, so it seems to be a question of
> whether you're happy with that or would be e.g. paying Cumulus or $vendor a
> few K USD for a license for their NOS on it.
>
>
> Naturally it claims to support an impressive range of features including
>> BGP, IS-IS, OSPF, MPLS, VRFs, blah blah blah.
>>
>> There was an earlier discussion about packet buffer issues, but, assuming
>> for a second that it's not an issue, can anyone say they've used these
>> and/or the L2/L3 features that they purportedly support?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> - bryan
>>
>>
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Re: Any experience with FS hardware out there?

[Hugo Slabbert]

On Fri 2018-Jan-05 12:50:42 -0600, Bryan Holloway  wrote:

Fiberstore is rolling out some CRAZY cheap 100Gbps switches, and I'm 
curious if anyone in the community has any thoughts or real-life 
world experience with them.


E.g.: https://www.fs.com/products/69340.html

For the price point, it's almost in the "too good to be true" category.


The price is on par with the hardware cost of other whitebox Tomahawks, 
e.g. Edge-Core 32x100G models like the AS7712 or AS7716 that also runs the 
BCM56960, so the primary distinction seems to be that you get a NOS 
included in that price.  I have zero experience with Broadcom's ICOS as 
opposed to the other options on the market, so it seems to be a question of 
whether you're happy with that or would be e.g. paying Cumulus or $vendor a 
few K USD for a license for their NOS on it.


Naturally it claims to support an impressive range of features including 
BGP, IS-IS, OSPF, MPLS, VRFs, blah blah blah.


There was an earlier discussion about packet buffer issues, but, 
assuming for a second that it's not an issue, can anyone say they've 
used these and/or the L2/L3 features that they purportedly support?


Thanks!
- bryan



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Re: Any experience with FS hardware out there?

[joel jaeggli]

On 1/5/18 10:50 AM, Bryan Holloway wrote:
Fiberstore is rolling out some CRAZY cheap 100Gbps switches, and I'm 
curious if anyone in the community has any thoughts or real-life world 
experience with them.


E.g.: https://www.fs.com/products/69340.html

For the price point, it's almost in the "too good to be true" category.
The COGS on a single ASIC tomahawk switch was is in $5000-7000 range. so 
it's consistent with a low value add reseller of merchant silicon. that 
silicon is getting older (tomahawk 3 was announced in anticipation of 
2018) so we can presume they are getting cheaper. I generally have a 
favorable experience of FS but then I buy optics and cables, not 
switches so your mileage may vary.


Naturally it claims to support an impressive range of features 
including BGP, IS-IS, OSPF, MPLS, VRFs, blah blah blah.
The software stack is Broadcom ICOS. if you're not familiar with that I 
start looking at that. if it meets you needs that's cool. if not you 
might be looking at cumulus or onos. That said Broadcom does enough to 
get their customers (whitebox odms) out the door, not necessarily the 
customers of those odms so your recourse to a developer is kind of 
limited which you get a from a vendor more involved in the software 
stack. A lot of those choices here depend on how responsible you want to 
be for what's running inside the box.
There was an earlier discussion about packet buffer issues, but, 
assuming for a second that it's not an issue, 
It can be avoided, but for people used to running all 10Gb/s cut-through 
trident 2s kind of hot, some of consequences are kind of impressive. 4 
much smaller buffers and the virtual assurance that you'll be doing rate 
conversion eats into the forwarding budget.
can anyone say they've used these and/or the L2/L3 features that they 
purportedly support?


Thanks!
    - bryan

Re: Any experience with FS hardware out there?

[Eric Kuhnke]

With DC-DC power supplies there's a number of things that actually have
input ranges of 36-72VDC. Way higher DC voltage than you'll ever see a
48VDC telecom battery system at "float" voltage, anyhow.


On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 11:16 AM, Bryan Holloway  wrote:

> Yeah, I noticed that, although they have a "high-voltage DC" option, which
> I found more curious than anything.
>
>
> On 1/5/18 1:14 PM, Michael Crapse wrote:
>
>> No telecom power unfortunately
>>
>>
>> On 5 January 2018 at 11:50, Bryan Holloway  br...@shout.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Fiberstore is rolling out some CRAZY cheap 100Gbps switches, and I'm
>> curious if anyone in the community has any thoughts or real-life
>> world experience with them.
>>
>> E.g.: https://www.fs.com/products/69340.html
>> 
>>
>> For the price point, it's almost in the "too good to be true"
>> category.
>>
>> Naturally it claims to support an impressive range of features
>> including BGP, IS-IS, OSPF, MPLS, VRFs, blah blah blah.
>>
>> There was an earlier discussion about packet buffer issues, but,
>> assuming for a second that it's not an issue, can anyone say they've
>> used these and/or the L2/L3 features that they purportedly support?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>  - bryan
>>
>>
>>

Re: Any experience with FS hardware out there?

[Eric Kuhnke]

To my eyes that looks like an Accton/Edgecore whitebox switch. The prices
for the Edgecore equivalent product are about the same.


On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 10:50 AM, Bryan Holloway  wrote:

> Fiberstore is rolling out some CRAZY cheap 100Gbps switches, and I'm
> curious if anyone in the community has any thoughts or real-life world
> experience with them.
>
> E.g.: https://www.fs.com/products/69340.html
>
> For the price point, it's almost in the "too good to be true" category.
>
> Naturally it claims to support an impressive range of features including
> BGP, IS-IS, OSPF, MPLS, VRFs, blah blah blah.
>
> There was an earlier discussion about packet buffer issues, but, assuming
> for a second that it's not an issue, can anyone say they've used these
> and/or the L2/L3 features that they purportedly support?
>
> Thanks!
> - bryan
>
>

Re: Any experience with FS hardware out there?

[Bryan Holloway]

Yeah, I noticed that, although they have a "high-voltage DC" option, 
which I found more curious than anything.



On 1/5/18 1:14 PM, Michael Crapse wrote:

No telecom power unfortunately


On 5 January 2018 at 11:50, Bryan Holloway > wrote:


Fiberstore is rolling out some CRAZY cheap 100Gbps switches, and I'm
curious if anyone in the community has any thoughts or real-life
world experience with them.

E.g.: https://www.fs.com/products/69340.html


For the price point, it's almost in the "too good to be true" category.

Naturally it claims to support an impressive range of features
including BGP, IS-IS, OSPF, MPLS, VRFs, blah blah blah.

There was an earlier discussion about packet buffer issues, but,
assuming for a second that it's not an issue, can anyone say they've
used these and/or the L2/L3 features that they purportedly support?

Thanks!
                         - bryan

Re: Any experience with FS hardware out there?

[Michael Crapse]

No telecom power unfortunately


On 5 January 2018 at 11:50, Bryan Holloway  wrote:

> Fiberstore is rolling out some CRAZY cheap 100Gbps switches, and I'm
> curious if anyone in the community has any thoughts or real-life world
> experience with them.
>
> E.g.: https://www.fs.com/products/69340.html
>
> For the price point, it's almost in the "too good to be true" category.
>
> Naturally it claims to support an impressive range of features including
> BGP, IS-IS, OSPF, MPLS, VRFs, blah blah blah.
>
> There was an earlier discussion about packet buffer issues, but, assuming
> for a second that it's not an issue, can anyone say they've used these
> and/or the L2/L3 features that they purportedly support?
>
> Thanks!
> - bryan
>
>

Any experience with FS hardware out there?

[Bryan Holloway]

Fiberstore is rolling out some CRAZY cheap 100Gbps switches, and I'm 
curious if anyone in the community has any thoughts or real-life world 
experience with them.


E.g.: https://www.fs.com/products/69340.html

For the price point, it's almost in the "too good to be true" category.

Naturally it claims to support an impressive range of features including 
BGP, IS-IS, OSPF, MPLS, VRFs, blah blah blah.


There was an earlier discussion about packet buffer issues, but, 
assuming for a second that it's not an issue, can anyone say they've 
used these and/or the L2/L3 features that they purportedly support?


Thanks!
- bryan