Re: CRS-3
Paul Ferguson expunged (fergdawgs...@gmail.com): -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Anyone have any idea how much a fully configured CRS-3 would cost? Or how much power it would consume? Or how much heat it would generate? Admittedly, my information on these topics comes from NPR these days. :-) They said it costs ~US$90k, and that ATT was in trails. $90k is the price of the special lift jack you need to move them around :) -Steve
Re: CRS-3
Thats funny, not sure if Cisco sells one or not but back in the day, I worked @ Avici, and we did in fact have a special jack used to move the chassis around :) -jim On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Steve Meuse sme...@mara.org wrote: Paul Ferguson expunged (fergdawgs...@gmail.com): -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Anyone have any idea how much a fully configured CRS-3 would cost? Or how much power it would consume? Or how much heat it would generate? Admittedly, my information on these topics comes from NPR these days. :-) They said it costs ~US$90k, and that ATT was in trails. $90k is the price of the special lift jack you need to move them around :) -Steve
Re: CRS-3
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Gregory Hicks ghi...@hicks-net.net wrote: The press release at http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html states that the pricing for the CRS-3 STARTS AT $90K... Is that the cost for a nameplate you can stick on an empty rack with dark glass so you can fool people visiting your datacenter? I've put together BoMs for the CRS-1, and the pricing was at least an order of magnitude higher. Linecards are interesting. We get a 100Gb card, we get a linerate 14-port 10Gb card, but apparently there's still only a single port OC-768 40Gb card. Bob
RE: CRS-3
Cisco and linerate...if it would be a Juniper I could say OK, on a Cisco, first see then believe. Also, seeing CRS-1's, is the '3' in CRS-3 the multiplier or magnitude of problems to be expected compared to its 'little' buggy sister.. ? :) -Original Message- From: Bob Snyder [mailto:rsny...@toontown.erial.nj.us] Sent: Wednesday, 10 March, 2010 17:30 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: CRS-3 On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Gregory Hicks ghi...@hicks-net.net wrote: The press release at http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html states that the pricing for the CRS-3 STARTS AT $90K... Is that the cost for a nameplate you can stick on an empty rack with dark glass so you can fool people visiting your datacenter? I've put together BoMs for the CRS-1, and the pricing was at least an order of magnitude higher. Linecards are interesting. We get a 100Gb card, we get a linerate 14-port 10Gb card, but apparently there's still only a single port OC-768 40Gb card. Bob
CRS-3 x T1600
JUNIPER Networks did a press note about the new T-1600 components: http://www.juniper.net/us/en/company/press-center/press-releases/2010/pr_2010_02_04-08_30.html And now CISCO with the new components for the CRS-1 ... to increase it to new CRS-3. Both companies looks like want to reach 4 Tbps capacity with their CORE Routers. I think JUNIPER have been tested 100 Gbps ethernet line card for so long. http://www.juniper.net/us/en/company/press-center/press-releases/2009/pr_2009_06_08-09_00.html JUNIPER has talked about 5 Watts/Gigabit. CISCO said something about 3 Watts/Gigabit. Big and good fight. Best for all of us.
Re: CRS-3
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010, Bob Snyder wrote: Linecards are interesting. We get a 100Gb card, we get a linerate 14-port 10Gb card, but apparently there's still only a single port OC-768 40Gb card. There has been claims that volume for OC-768 is low so no major effort has been seen to reduce OC-768 MSA size, so apparently the parts needed for multiple OC-768 ports can't be physically fitted in one PLIM. -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm...@swm.pp.se
CRS-3
So who is going to be the first to deploy these? http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine! Brian
RE: CRS-3
From: Brian Feeny [mailto:bfe...@mac.com] So who is going to be the first to deploy these? http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine! Brian The article about this in the tech section on CNN already has comments in it like Oh, well Cisco owns Linksys and I have a Linksys router so will my ISP be updating me to the CRS-3 so I can download at those speeds? LOL
Re: CRS-3
It was mentioned that Att is already testing this with a 100gbps fiber run. On Mar 9, 2010 1:53 PM, Brian Feeny bfe...@mac.com wrote: So who is going to be the first to deploy these? http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine! Brian
Re: CRS-3
On Mar 9, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Brandon Galbraith wrote: It was mentioned that Att is already testing this with a 100gbps fiber run. Maybe Peter Lothberg is testing one in his basement? :) -b
Re: CRS-3
Yes, it says that right in the press release. J -- Joel Esler joel.es...@me.com http://www.joelesler.net On Tuesday, March 09, 2010, at 03:09PM, Brandon Galbraith brandon.galbra...@gmail.com wrote: It was mentioned that Att is already testing this with a 100gbps fiber run. On Mar 9, 2010 1:53 PM, Brian Feeny bfe...@mac.com wrote: So who is going to be the first to deploy these? http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine! Brian
Re: CRS-3
Forget Linksys: Didn't Peter Lothberg's mom have a CRS1 in her basement already? :-) She said it was great for drying her clothes. If she gets the CRS-3, will she be able to dry her clothes even faster? On 3/9/2010 11:54 AM, David Hubbard wrote: The article about this in the tech section on CNN already has comments in it like Oh, well Cisco owns Linksys and I have a Linksys router so will my ISP be updating me to the CRS-3 so I can download at those speeds? LOL On 3/9/2010 11:54 AM, David Hubbard wrote: From: Brian Feeny [mailto:bfe...@mac.com] So who is going to be the first to deploy these? http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine! Brian The article about this in the tech section on CNN already has comments in it like Oh, well Cisco owns Linksys and I have a Linksys router so will my ISP be updating me to the CRS-3 so I can download at those speeds? LOL
Re: CRS-3
What happened to CRS-2? :) --Original Message-- From: Robert Enger - NANOG To: David Hubbard Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: CRS-3 Sent: Mar 9, 2010 4:20 PM Forget Linksys: Didn't Peter Lothberg's mom have a CRS1 in her basement already? :-) She said it was great for drying her clothes. If she gets the CRS-3, will she be able to dry her clothes even faster? On 3/9/2010 11:54 AM, David Hubbard wrote: The article about this in the tech section on CNN already has comments in it like Oh, well Cisco owns Linksys and I have a Linksys router so will my ISP be updating me to the CRS-3 so I can download at those speeds? LOL On 3/9/2010 11:54 AM, David Hubbard wrote: From: Brian Feeny [mailto:bfe...@mac.com] So who is going to be the first to deploy these? http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine! Brian The article about this in the tech section on CNN already has comments in it like Oh, well Cisco owns Linksys and I have a Linksys router so will my ISP be updating me to the CRS-3 so I can download at those speeds? LOL Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network
RE: CRS-3
LOL! Wow that is a pretty sad comment.. But back to the CRS-3, just wow!!! Subject: RE: CRS-3 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 14:54:16 -0500 From: dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com To: nanog@nanog.org From: Brian Feeny [mailto:bfe...@mac.com] So who is going to be the first to deploy these? http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine! Brian The article about this in the tech section on CNN already has comments in it like Oh, well Cisco owns Linksys and I have a Linksys router so will my ISP be updating me to the CRS-3 so I can download at those speeds? LOL
Re: CRS-3
On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Brandon Kim wrote: LOL! Wow that is a pretty sad comment.. But back to the CRS-3, just wow!!! Wow what? Is there anything in the CRS-3 that competitors are not shipping _today_? If you look at some startups, they are doing 4-5 times as many Gbps per slot, and pre-release equipment is in use in some networks already. The only wow here is wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they are? -- TTFN, patrick Subject: RE: CRS-3 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 14:54:16 -0500 From: dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com To: nanog@nanog.org From: Brian Feeny [mailto:bfe...@mac.com] So who is going to be the first to deploy these? http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine! Brian The article about this in the tech section on CNN already has comments in it like Oh, well Cisco owns Linksys and I have a Linksys router so will my ISP be updating me to the CRS-3 so I can download at those speeds? LOL
Re: CRS-3
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:51:28 -0500 Brian Feeny bfe...@mac.com wrote: So who is going to be the first to deploy these? http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second Is that about 11 giggitybits per second? - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes MPAA are preparing their lawsuits now. If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine! Brian
Re: CRS-3
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Brian Feeny bfe...@mac.com wrote If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine! Indeed Cisco marketing machine. Nothing new to CRS-1, just new linecards and route-processor. It would be like giving the CAT6500 a new name back when the SUP720/DCEF cards came out.
Re: CRS-3
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 20:22:16 + deles...@gmail.com wrote: What happened to CRS-2? :) I agree. We were joking at work what the announcement might be and I suggested a CRS2. Missed it by much :-( --Original Message-- From: Robert Enger - NANOG To: David Hubbard Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: CRS-3 Sent: Mar 9, 2010 4:20 PM Forget Linksys: Didn't Peter Lothberg's mom have a CRS1 in her basement already? :-) She said it was great for drying her clothes. If she gets the CRS-3, will she be able to dry her clothes even faster? On 3/9/2010 11:54 AM, David Hubbard wrote: The article about this in the tech section on CNN already has comments in it like Oh, well Cisco owns Linksys and I have a Linksys router so will my ISP be updating me to the CRS-3 so I can download at those speeds? LOL On 3/9/2010 11:54 AM, David Hubbard wrote: From: Brian Feeny [mailto:bfe...@mac.com] So who is going to be the first to deploy these? http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine! Brian The article about this in the tech section on CNN already has comments in it like Oh, well Cisco owns Linksys and I have a Linksys router so will my ISP be updating me to the CRS-3 so I can download at those speeds? LOL Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network
RE: CRS-3
Wow what? Is there anything in the CRS-3 that competitors are not shipping _today_? If you look at some startups, they are doing 4-5 times as many Gbps per slot, and pre-release equipment is in use in some networks already. The only wow here is wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they are? It's called doing the wall street dance. Their stock price jumped 3% yesterday in anticipation of the big announcement. Hype is hype, and people still remember the magic of the dotcom bubble. ZOMG! They increased the size of the tubez! BUY! BUY! [full disclosure: I own stock in Cisco] Tom Walsh Express Web Systems, Inc.
Re: CRS-3
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:29 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: The only wow here is wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they are? Because in some organisations, the only vendor that matters is Cisco. -- /*=[ Jake Khuon kh...@neebu.net ]=+ | Packet Plumber, Network Engineers /| / [~ [~ |) | | | | for Effective Bandwidth Utilisation / |/ [_ [_ |) |_| NETWORKS | +==*/
Re: CRS-3
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 20:22 +, deles...@gmail.com wrote: What happened to CRS-2? :) It exploded and was destroyed during construction. Parts of it were also recycled to build the next CRS. |8^) -- /*=[ Jake Khuon kh...@neebu.net ]=+ | Packet Plumber, Network Engineers /| / [~ [~ |) | | | | for Effective Bandwidth Utilisation / |/ [_ [_ |) |_| NETWORKS | +==*/
RE: CRS-3
Renaming the 6500? Nice one, let's call it 7600 then :-) Arjan -Original Message- From: bas [mailto:kilo...@gmail.com] Sent: Tue 3/9/2010 9:33 PM To: Brian Feeny Cc: nanog@nanog.org list Subject: Re: CRS-3 On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Brian Feeny bfe...@mac.com wrote If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine! Indeed Cisco marketing machine. Nothing new to CRS-1, just new linecards and route-processor. It would be like giving the CAT6500 a new name back when the SUP720/DCEF cards came out. Internet communications are not secure; therefore, the integrity of this e-mail cannot be guaranteed following transmission on the Internet. This e-mail may contain confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail. Use of this e-mail by any person other than the addressee is strictly forbidden. This e-mail is believed to be free of any virus that might adversely affect the addressee's computer system; however, no responsibility is accepted for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. All the preceding disclaimers also apply to any possible attachments to this e-mail.
Re: CRS-3
Yes, and their stock price dipped today after the news release actually hit. So remember people, buy on rumor, sell on news. Brian On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Express Web Systems wrote: Wow what? Is there anything in the CRS-3 that competitors are not shipping _today_? If you look at some startups, they are doing 4-5 times as many Gbps per slot, and pre-release equipment is in use in some networks already. The only wow here is wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they are? It's called doing the wall street dance. Their stock price jumped 3% yesterday in anticipation of the big announcement. Hype is hype, and people still remember the magic of the dotcom bubble. ZOMG! They increased the size of the tubez! BUY! BUY! [full disclosure: I own stock in Cisco] Tom Walsh Express Web Systems, Inc.
Re: CRS-3
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Brian Feeny bfe...@mac.com wrote: So who is going to be the first to deploy these? http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine! This intelligence also includes carrier-grade IPv6 (CGv6) Can't wait to find out what this is. -- Tim:
Re: CRS-3
On 3/9/2010 4:39 PM, Tim Durack wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Brian Feeny bfe...@mac.com wrote: So who is going to be the first to deploy these? http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine! This intelligence also includes carrier-grade IPv6 (CGv6) Can't wait to find out what this is. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/iosswrel/ps6537/ps6553/white_paper_c11-558744-00_ns1017_Networking_Solutions_White_Paper.html First google link for CGv6. Skimmed it any saw something called 'Double NAT 444'. -- Philip Davis Systems Administrator I-2000 Inc. (616) 532-8425 888-234-4254
Re: CRS-3
On 9. mars 2010, at 22.39, Tim Durack wrote: This intelligence also includes carrier-grade IPv6 (CGv6) Can't wait to find out what this is. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/iosswrel/ps6537/ps6553/white_paper_c11-558744-00_ns1017_Networking_Solutions_White_Paper.html -- Joachim
Re: CRS-3
It's teh future of the tubes! Didn't you get the memo? Nah, actually it is just hardware assisted SP-wide NAT... See: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/iosswrel/ps6537/ps6553/white_paper_c11-558744-00_ns1017_Networking_Solutions_White_Paper.html Cisco believes that this is the (intermediate-)solution to the IPv4 address depletion... Regards, Dirk On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Tim Durack wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Brian Feeny bfe...@mac.com wrote: So who is going to be the first to deploy these? http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine! This intelligence also includes carrier-grade IPv6 (CGv6) Can't wait to find out what this is. -- Tim:
Re: CRS-3
On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Jake Khuon wrote: On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:29 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: The only wow here is wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they are? Because in some organisations, the only vendor that matters is Cisco. Then why bother hyping at all? Anyone who needs even a significant fraction of 322 Tbps is not going to ignore competitors. -- TTFN, patrick
Re: CRS-3
It only supported IPv5. :) Scott [1]deles...@gmail.com wrote: What happened to CRS-2? :) --Original Message-- From: Robert Enger - NANOG To: David Hubbard Cc: [2]na...@nanog.org Subject: Re: CRS-3 Sent: Mar 9, 2010 4:20 PM Forget Linksys: Didn't Peter Lothberg's mom have a CRS1 in her basement already ? :-) She said it was great for drying her clothes. If she gets the CRS-3, will she be able to dry her clothes even faster? On 3/9/2010 11:54 AM, David Hubbard wrote: The article about this in the tech section on CNN already has comments in it like Oh, well Cisco owns Linksys and I have a Linksys router so will my ISP be updating me to the CRS-3 so I can download at those speeds? LOL On 3/9/2010 11:54 AM, David Hubbard wrote: From: Brian Feeny [[3]mailto:bfe...@mac.com] So who is going to be the first to deploy these? [4]http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine! Brian The article about this in the tech section on CNN already has comments in it like Oh, well Cisco owns Linksys and I have a Linksys router so will my ISP be updating me to the CRS-3 so I can download at those speeds? LOL Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network References 1. mailto:deles...@gmail.com 2. mailto:nanog@nanog.org 3. mailto:bfe...@mac.com 4. http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html
Re: CRS-3
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 05:02:01PM -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Jake Khuon wrote: On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:29 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: The only wow here is wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they are? Because in some organisations, the only vendor that matters is Cisco. Then why bother hyping at all? Anyone who needs even a significant fraction of 322 Tbps is not going to ignore competitors. Lots of people who don't will use this as a reason to convince themselves that Cisco is still miles ahead of the competition. After all, $COMPEDITOR isn't hyping their 322 Tbp/s gear. -- TTFN, patrick -- --
Re: CRS-3
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Jake Khuon kh...@neebu.net wrote: On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 20:22 +, deles...@gmail.com wrote: What happened to CRS-2? :) It exploded and was destroyed during construction. Parts of it were also recycled to build the next CRS. |8^) /me sits back patiently and waits for CRS-5, then...[1] ...our last, best hope for throughput... [1] http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Babylon
Re: CRS-3
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 17:02 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Jake Khuon wrote: On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:29 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: The only wow here is wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they are? Because in some organisations, the only vendor that matters is Cisco. Then why bother hyping at all? Anyone who needs even a significant fraction of 322 Tbps is not going to ignore competitors. Come now. You know the answer to that. While technically true, by that logic, Cisco should never perform any press releases. -- /*=[ Jake Khuon kh...@neebu.net ]=+ | Packet Plumber, Network Engineers /| / [~ [~ |) | | | | for Effective Bandwidth Utilisation / |/ [_ [_ |) |_| NETWORKS | +==*/
Re: CRS-3
No one ever got fired for buying Cisco? (This isn't true btw -- I know of people that did get fired for buying Cisco. Just saying...) J On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Jake Khuon wrote: On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:29 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: The only wow here is wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they are? Because in some organisations, the only vendor that matters is Cisco. -- Joel Esler http://blog.joelesler.net
Re: CRS-3
It's called doing the wall street dance. Their stock price jumped 3% yesterday in anticipation of the big announcement. Hype is hype, and people still remember the magic of the dotcom bubble. ZOMG! They increased the size of the tubez! BUY! BUY! [full disclosure: I own stock in Cisco] Tom Walsh Express Web Systems, Inc. Actually it is called defining a market. Cisco is doing for the small innovative companies something they could not do for themselves. Want to bet the Wall St. Industry Experts discover the play waiting to happen in some of these companies next and some money comes their way? Bruce -- “Discovering...discovering...we will never cease discovering... and the end of all our discovering will be to return to the place where we began and to know it for the first time.” -T.S. Eliot
Re: CRS-3
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 18:45 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any errors. On Mar 9, 2010, at 17:31, Jake Khuon kh...@neebu.net wrote: On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 17:02 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Jake Khuon wrote: On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:29 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: The only wow here is wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they are? Because in some organisations, the only vendor that matters is Cisco. Then why bother hyping at all? Anyone who needs even a significant fraction of 322 Tbps is not going to ignore competitors. Come now. You know the answer to that. While technically true, by that logic, Cisco should never perform any press releases. First, this wasn't a press release, this was an event they were hyping for quite a while. Second, doing a press release is fine, but even the most aggressive companies have a modicum of truth in their releases. If they said look at our cool new router, one could overlook obvious marketing BS like comparing to the T640 instead of the T1600. But claiming to revolutionize the Internet while being afraid to compare yourself to your chief competitor's flagship product is just pathetic. Again, that may be true but I think you give marketing in general more credit for credibility than actually exists. Pathetic or not, it happens and some people don't actually see it for the blatant undertruth that it is... especially those who have been blinded by the Cisco light. We in this industry often forget that not everyone looks for dotted T's and crossed I's when it comes to detail. For whatever reason, most people don't directly challenge the spindoctors. -- /*=[ Jake Khuon kh...@neebu.net ]=+ | Packet Plumber, Network Engineers /| / [~ [~ |) | | | | for Effective Bandwidth Utilisation / |/ [_ [_ |) |_| NETWORKS | +==*/
Re: CRS-3
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Express Web Systems mailingli...@expresswebsystems.com wrote: Wow what? Is there anything in the CRS-3 that competitors are not shipping _today_? If you look at some startups, they are doing 4-5 times as many Gbps per slot, and pre-release equipment is in use in some networks already. The only wow here is wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they are? It's called doing the wall street dance. Their stock price jumped 3% yesterday in anticipation of the big announcement. Hype is hype, and people still remember the magic of the dotcom bubble. ZOMG! They increased the size of the tubez! BUY! BUY! [full disclosure: I own stock in Cisco] Tom Walsh Express Web Systems, Inc. Actually it is called defining a market. Cisco is doing for the small innovative companies something they could not do for themselves. Want to bet the Wall St. Industry Experts discover the play waiting to happen in some of these companies next and some money comes their way? Bruce -- “Discovering...discovering...we will never cease discovering... and the end of all our discovering will be to return to the place where we began and to know it for the first time.” -T.S. Eliot
RE: CRS-3
-Original Message- From: Tim Durack Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:39 PM To: Brian Feeny Subject: Re: CRS-3 This intelligence also includes carrier-grade IPv6 (CGv6) Can't wait to find out what this is. accelerating the delivery of compelling new experiences Sounds like someone created a new web economy bullshit generator. And just how will I know when I have been delivered a compelling new experience? I was at least expecting something like envisioneer out-of-the-box communities or maybe recontextualize customized experiences or something.
RE: CRS-3
Spend the GDP of a small nation on a single box! -Original Message- From: Brian Feeny [mailto:bfe...@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:51 PM To: nanog@nanog.org list Subject: CRS-3 So who is going to be the first to deploy these? http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine! Brian
Re: CRS-3
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Matthew Petach wrote: /me sits back patiently and waits for CRS-5, then...[1] CRS-3 is ~3 times as fast as CRS-1, so I guess the next iteration will be CRS-12 and then CRS-36, CRS-108 (perhaps CRS-100 just to make it easy). :P -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm...@swm.pp.se
Re: CRS-3
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Brian Feeny bfe...@mac.com wrote: So who is going to be the first to deploy these? http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine! And the amazing thing is that the target audience of the campaign has nothing to do with the product. The very few carriers that can buy CRS-x already knew about the product and preliminar specs; the real message is to the consumer markets: there is more bandwidth out there. Don't be cheap: use, prefer and create applications requiring more bandwidth. If the market grows, Cisco grows with it, selling products across the board (newer Linksys APs, newer CPEs, newer PEs, newer core routers). The real enemy here for Cisco is not vendor-J,vendor-AL or vendor-H; it's a growing culture that speaks txtspk instead of plain language and would be happy with Telex bandwidths. That hurts business; HD video and HQ audio sell a lot of stuff, and that's the culture Cisco hopes will prevail. Rubens
Re: CRS-3
I fail to see how using linksys's range of products is going to be comparable to enterprise grade cisco gear. Well, your average consumer wouldn't be involved with a CRS or for that matter, anything that remotely resembles a CRS. Not sure why you'd pull the consumer market into this marketing hype that cisco is going on about. :P On 10-Mar-2010, at 1:19 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Brian Feeny bfe...@mac.com wrote: So who is going to be the first to deploy these? http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine! And the amazing thing is that the target audience of the campaign has nothing to do with the product. The very few carriers that can buy CRS-x already knew about the product and preliminar specs; the real message is to the consumer markets: there is more bandwidth out there. Don't be cheap: use, prefer and create applications requiring more bandwidth. If the market grows, Cisco grows with it, selling products across the board (newer Linksys APs, newer CPEs, newer PEs, newer core routers). The real enemy here for Cisco is not vendor-J,vendor-AL or vendor-H; it's a growing culture that speaks txtspk instead of plain language and would be happy with Telex bandwidths. That hurts business; HD video and HQ audio sell a lot of stuff, and that's the culture Cisco hopes will prevail. Rubens
Re: CRS-3
On 3/9/2010 9:19 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Brian Feenybfe...@mac.com wrote: So who is going to be the first to deploy these? http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine! And the amazing thing is that the target audience of the campaign has nothing to do with the product. The very few carriers that can buy CRS-x already knew about the product and preliminar specs; the real message is to the consumer markets: there is more bandwidth out there. Don't be cheap: use, prefer and create applications requiring more bandwidth. If the market grows, Cisco grows with it, selling products across the board (newer Linksys APs, newer CPEs, newer PEs, newer core routers). The real enemy here for Cisco is not vendor-J,vendor-AL or vendor-H; it's a growing culture that speaks txtspk instead of plain language and would be happy with Telex bandwidths. That hurts business; HD video and HQ audio sell a lot of stuff, and that's the culture Cisco hopes will prevail. Rubens Let's hope for deep-color progressive, DCI/Cinema4k, or better yet Super Hi-Vision. We might as well enjoy good video quality.
Re: CRS-3
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:42 PM, David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote: On Mar 9, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Crooks, Sam wrote: Spend the GDP of a small nation on a single box! I'll admit to being too lazy to dig through and/or translate the marketspeak. Anyone have any idea how much a fully configured CRS-3 would cost? Or how much power it would consume? Or how much heat it would generate? Or perhaps more interestingly, given the way things seem to be going, how many (tens of?) millions of RIB entries it'll allow? Just curious... Admittedly, my information on these topics comes from NPR these days. :-) They said it costs ~US$90k, and that ATT was in trails. - - ferg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Desktop 9.5.3 (Build 5003) wj8DBQFLl0JOq1pz9mNUZTMRAkPiAKD+LCW/Z27zwSZgI8otXNNetGN8aQCg8i4J M4QZTSQ2W9oV9JYdt7eaMxM= =S3te -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Fergie, a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawgster(at)gmail.com ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/
RE: CRS-3
Cisco did 100GE before, based upon the 802.3ba: http://www.10gea.org/100-ge-router-cisco-comcast.htm The 'wow' factor in this is news might be that these new linecards are nonblocking and will eventually support the final standard without hardware changes. Arjan -Original Message- From: Patrick W. Gilmore [mailto:patr...@ianai.net] Sent: Tue 3/9/2010 11:02 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: CRS-3 On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Jake Khuon wrote: On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:29 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: The only wow here is wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they are? Because in some organisations, the only vendor that matters is Cisco. Then why bother hyping at all? Anyone who needs even a significant fraction of 322 Tbps is not going to ignore competitors. -- TTFN, patrick Internet communications are not secure; therefore, the integrity of this e-mail cannot be guaranteed following transmission on the Internet. This e-mail may contain confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail. Use of this e-mail by any person other than the addressee is strictly forbidden. This e-mail is believed to be free of any virus that might adversely affect the addressee's computer system; however, no responsibility is accepted for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. All the preceding disclaimers also apply to any possible attachments to this e-mail.
Re: CRS-3
On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:55 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote: Anyone have any idea how much a fully configured CRS-3 would cost? Admittedly, my information on these topics comes from NPR these days. :-) They said it costs ~US$90k, and that ATT was in trails. Somehow, I'm skeptical (not of the trials, but $90k for a fully configured CRS-3), but if it was on NPR it must be true... :-) Regards, -drc
Re: CRS-3
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, David Conrad wrote: Anyone have any idea how much a fully configured CRS-3 would cost? Or how much power it would consume? Or how much heat it would generate? Power is fairly easy, you need somewhere in the order of 14kW per rack (at least you need to provision that much), and at 72 racks that's ~1 MW. I'd imagine it'd be hard to get below an average cost of 50kUSD per slot for MSC and PLIM and optics, so at 64*16 slots that's at least ~50 milllion USD. Or perhaps more interestingly, given the way things seem to be going, how many (tens of?) millions of RIB entries it'll allow? Probably around there, yes, 10M RIB, 2-3M FIB. -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm...@swm.pp.se
Re: CRS-3
Subject: Re: CRS-3 From: David Conrad d...@virtualized.org Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 23:06:39 -0800 On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:55 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote: Anyone have any idea how much a fully configured CRS-3 would cost? Admittedly, my information on these topics comes from NPR these days. :-) They said it costs ~US$90k, and that ATT was in trails. Somehow, I'm skeptical (not of the trials, but $90k for a fully configured CRS-3), but if it was on NPR it must be true... :-) The press release at http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html states that the pricing for the CRS-3 STARTS AT $90K...
