RE: DDoS mitigation Equinix?
Have you checked out Staminus? It's run by Matt Mahvi (a constant NANOG attendee). We have a customer that uses Staminus and they have done great. -- Kate Gerry -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Abuse Contact Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 4:26 PM To: Christopher Morrow Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: DDoS mitigation Equinix? I actually use GigeNET at the moment for DDoS protection and they're terrible. Their trigger detection is terrible at picking up attacks and my attack is barely ever mitigated because of it. On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Christopher Morrow < morrowc.li...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Ameen Pishdadi > wrote: > > It was none of the mentioned , didn't wanna come off as advertising .. > Gigenet is the company > > > > ok, cool the OP probably is interested... thanks! > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jul 20, 2014, at 1:51 PM, Christopher Morrow < > morrowc.li...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Ameen Pishdadi > >>> > wrote: > >>> Equinix doesn't provide Ddos protection , cloud flare is able to > mitigate attacks by spreading out the traffic across 20-30 different > pops which are mostly located at Equinix. Cloud flare is pretty much a > cdn , people have been using cdns for years to mitigate Ddos like > akaimi , wasn't really popular though because of how expensive cdns > like Akamai were, btw they recently bought prolexic. Cloud flare as > far as I know does not sell Ddos protection service by any other means > then there web proxy/cache service. Also there core business isn't > Ddos protection it's website optimization via cdn type setup. > >>> > >>> Our company also uses Equinix and other carrier hotels to provide > >>> Ddos > protection, > >> > >> 'our company' .. since use used 3 different names of companies in > >> the previous part of the message, which one is 'our' ? > >> > >> we provide a connection to our network by cross connects or peering > >> exchanges , 1 gig or 10 gig and filter the Ddos before it leaves > >> our network, this can be on full time or only when an attack is detected. > >>> Other methods of filtered traffic delivery are gre VPN tunnels and > reverse proxy method. The difference between us , prolexic vs cloud > flare is the different delivery methods allow protection against > attacks towards other services and protocols besides http > protocol/websites, and protection against entire networks versus an > individual domain, it's just a different business model going after different > market segments. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>> On Jul 19, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Abuse Contact < > stopabuseandrep...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> I've heard that using Equinix has it's DDoS protection benefits > >>>> like > large > >>>> companies such as CloudFlare use them for DDoS mitigation, I > >>>> don't > get it, > >>>> how do they help with DDoS protection? You still get a 1Gbit from > them or > >>>> whatever and also do you guys know around how much they'd cost? > >>>> > >>>> Thanks! > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>> On Jul 19, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Abuse Contact < > stopabuseandrep...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> I've heard that using Equinix has it's DDoS protection benefits > >>>> like > large > >>>> companies such as CloudFlare use them for DDoS mitigation, I > >>>> don't > get it, > >>>> how do they help with DDoS protection? You still get a 1Gbit from > them or > >>>> whatever and also do you guys know around how much they'd cost? > >>>> > >>>> Thanks! >
Re: DDoS mitigation Equinix?
I actually use GigeNET at the moment for DDoS protection and they're terrible. Their trigger detection is terrible at picking up attacks and my attack is barely ever mitigated because of it. On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Christopher Morrow < morrowc.li...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Ameen Pishdadi > wrote: > > It was none of the mentioned , didn't wanna come off as advertising .. > Gigenet is the company > > > > ok, cool the OP probably is interested... thanks! > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jul 20, 2014, at 1:51 PM, Christopher Morrow < > morrowc.li...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Ameen Pishdadi > wrote: > >>> Equinix doesn't provide Ddos protection , cloud flare is able to > mitigate attacks by spreading out the traffic across 20-30 different pops > which are mostly located at Equinix. Cloud flare is pretty much a cdn , > people have been using cdns for years to mitigate Ddos like akaimi , wasn't > really popular though because of how expensive cdns like Akamai were, btw > they recently bought prolexic. Cloud flare as far as I know does not sell > Ddos protection service by any other means then there web proxy/cache > service. Also there core business isn't Ddos protection it's website > optimization via cdn type setup. > >>> > >>> Our company also uses Equinix and other carrier hotels to provide Ddos > protection, > >> > >> 'our company' .. since use used 3 different names of companies in the > >> previous part of the message, which one is 'our' ? > >> > >> we provide a connection to our network by cross connects or peering > >> exchanges , 1 gig or 10 gig and filter the Ddos before it leaves our > >> network, this can be on full time or only when an attack is detected. > >>> Other methods of filtered traffic delivery are gre VPN tunnels and > reverse proxy method. The difference between us , prolexic vs cloud flare > is the different delivery methods allow protection against attacks towards > other services and protocols besides http protocol/websites, and protection > against entire networks versus an individual domain, it's just a different > business model going after different market segments. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > On Jul 19, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Abuse Contact < > stopabuseandrep...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > I've heard that using Equinix has it's DDoS protection benefits like > large > companies such as CloudFlare use them for DDoS mitigation, I don't > get it, > how do they help with DDoS protection? You still get a 1Gbit from > them or > whatever and also do you guys know around how much they'd cost? > > Thanks! > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > On Jul 19, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Abuse Contact < > stopabuseandrep...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > I've heard that using Equinix has it's DDoS protection benefits like > large > companies such as CloudFlare use them for DDoS mitigation, I don't > get it, > how do they help with DDoS protection? You still get a 1Gbit from > them or > whatever and also do you guys know around how much they'd cost? > > Thanks! >
Re: DDoS mitigation Equinix?
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Ameen Pishdadi wrote: > It was none of the mentioned , didn't wanna come off as advertising .. > Gigenet is the company > ok, cool the OP probably is interested... thanks! > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 20, 2014, at 1:51 PM, Christopher Morrow >> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Ameen Pishdadi >>> wrote: >>> Equinix doesn't provide Ddos protection , cloud flare is able to mitigate >>> attacks by spreading out the traffic across 20-30 different pops which are >>> mostly located at Equinix. Cloud flare is pretty much a cdn , people have >>> been using cdns for years to mitigate Ddos like akaimi , wasn't really >>> popular though because of how expensive cdns like Akamai were, btw they >>> recently bought prolexic. Cloud flare as far as I know does not sell Ddos >>> protection service by any other means then there web proxy/cache service. >>> Also there core business isn't Ddos protection it's website optimization >>> via cdn type setup. >>> >>> Our company also uses Equinix and other carrier hotels to provide Ddos >>> protection, >> >> 'our company' .. since use used 3 different names of companies in the >> previous part of the message, which one is 'our' ? >> >> we provide a connection to our network by cross connects or peering >> exchanges , 1 gig or 10 gig and filter the Ddos before it leaves our >> network, this can be on full time or only when an attack is detected. >>> Other methods of filtered traffic delivery are gre VPN tunnels and reverse >>> proxy method. The difference between us , prolexic vs cloud flare is the >>> different delivery methods allow protection against attacks towards other >>> services and protocols besides http protocol/websites, and protection >>> against entire networks versus an individual domain, it's just a different >>> business model going after different market segments. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Jul 19, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Abuse Contact wrote: Hi, I've heard that using Equinix has it's DDoS protection benefits like large companies such as CloudFlare use them for DDoS mitigation, I don't get it, how do they help with DDoS protection? You still get a 1Gbit from them or whatever and also do you guys know around how much they'd cost? Thanks! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Jul 19, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Abuse Contact wrote: Hi, I've heard that using Equinix has it's DDoS protection benefits like large companies such as CloudFlare use them for DDoS mitigation, I don't get it, how do they help with DDoS protection? You still get a 1Gbit from them or whatever and also do you guys know around how much they'd cost? Thanks!
Re: DDoS mitigation Equinix?
It was none of the mentioned , didn't wanna come off as advertising .. Gigenet is the company Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2014, at 1:51 PM, Christopher Morrow > wrote: > >> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Ameen Pishdadi wrote: >> Equinix doesn't provide Ddos protection , cloud flare is able to mitigate >> attacks by spreading out the traffic across 20-30 different pops which are >> mostly located at Equinix. Cloud flare is pretty much a cdn , people have >> been using cdns for years to mitigate Ddos like akaimi , wasn't really >> popular though because of how expensive cdns like Akamai were, btw they >> recently bought prolexic. Cloud flare as far as I know does not sell Ddos >> protection service by any other means then there web proxy/cache service. >> Also there core business isn't Ddos protection it's website optimization via >> cdn type setup. >> >> Our company also uses Equinix and other carrier hotels to provide Ddos >> protection, > > 'our company' .. since use used 3 different names of companies in the > previous part of the message, which one is 'our' ? > > we provide a connection to our network by cross connects or peering > exchanges , 1 gig or 10 gig and filter the Ddos before it leaves our > network, this can be on full time or only when an attack is detected. >> Other methods of filtered traffic delivery are gre VPN tunnels and reverse >> proxy method. The difference between us , prolexic vs cloud flare is the >> different delivery methods allow protection against attacks towards other >> services and protocols besides http protocol/websites, and protection >> against entire networks versus an individual domain, it's just a different >> business model going after different market segments. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 19, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Abuse Contact >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> I've heard that using Equinix has it's DDoS protection benefits like large >>> companies such as CloudFlare use them for DDoS mitigation, I don't get it, >>> how do they help with DDoS protection? You still get a 1Gbit from them or >>> whatever and also do you guys know around how much they'd cost? >>> >>> Thanks! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 19, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Abuse Contact >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> I've heard that using Equinix has it's DDoS protection benefits like large >>> companies such as CloudFlare use them for DDoS mitigation, I don't get it, >>> how do they help with DDoS protection? You still get a 1Gbit from them or >>> whatever and also do you guys know around how much they'd cost? >>> >>> Thanks!
Re: DDoS mitigation Equinix?
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Ameen Pishdadi wrote: > Equinix doesn't provide Ddos protection , cloud flare is able to mitigate > attacks by spreading out the traffic across 20-30 different pops which are > mostly located at Equinix. Cloud flare is pretty much a cdn , people have > been using cdns for years to mitigate Ddos like akaimi , wasn't really > popular though because of how expensive cdns like Akamai were, btw they > recently bought prolexic. Cloud flare as far as I know does not sell Ddos > protection service by any other means then there web proxy/cache service. > Also there core business isn't Ddos protection it's website optimization via > cdn type setup. > > Our company also uses Equinix and other carrier hotels to provide Ddos > protection, 'our company' .. since use used 3 different names of companies in the previous part of the message, which one is 'our' ? we provide a connection to our network by cross connects or peering exchanges , 1 gig or 10 gig and filter the Ddos before it leaves our network, this can be on full time or only when an attack is detected. > Other methods of filtered traffic delivery are gre VPN tunnels and reverse > proxy method. The difference between us , prolexic vs cloud flare is the > different delivery methods allow protection against attacks towards other > services and protocols besides http protocol/websites, and protection against > entire networks versus an individual domain, it's just a different business > model going after different market segments. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 19, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Abuse Contact >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I've heard that using Equinix has it's DDoS protection benefits like large >> companies such as CloudFlare use them for DDoS mitigation, I don't get it, >> how do they help with DDoS protection? You still get a 1Gbit from them or >> whatever and also do you guys know around how much they'd cost? >> >> Thanks! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 19, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Abuse Contact >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I've heard that using Equinix has it's DDoS protection benefits like large >> companies such as CloudFlare use them for DDoS mitigation, I don't get it, >> how do they help with DDoS protection? You still get a 1Gbit from them or >> whatever and also do you guys know around how much they'd cost? >> >> Thanks!
Re: DDoS mitigation Equinix?
I believe so, that was just a generalized answer. On 7/20/2014 午後 11:12, Christopher Morrow wrote: isn't the offering just a whiteboxed verisgn/prolexic equivalent though? On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Paul S. wrote: This is done by performing some sort of filtering / acling, be it proactive or reactive on the traffic before it's handed off to you. How exactly EQX' solution is engineered is a question best left for their sales engineers or similar people to answer, though. On 7/19/2014 午後 04:44, Abuse Contact wrote: Hi, I've heard that using Equinix has it's DDoS protection benefits like large companies such as CloudFlare use them for DDoS mitigation, I don't get it, how do they help with DDoS protection? You still get a 1Gbit from them or whatever and also do you guys know around how much they'd cost? Thanks!
Re: DDoS mitigation Equinix?
CF is willing to offer network drops over GRE / XCs too and filter everything apparently if the price is right. It is a custom service, though. On 7/20/2014 午後 11:32, Ameen Pishdadi wrote: Equinix doesn't provide Ddos protection , cloud flare is able to mitigate attacks by spreading out the traffic across 20-30 different pops which are mostly located at Equinix. Cloud flare is pretty much a cdn , people have been using cdns for years to mitigate Ddos like akaimi , wasn't really popular though because of how expensive cdns like Akamai were, btw they recently bought prolexic. Cloud flare as far as I know does not sell Ddos protection service by any other means then there web proxy/cache service. Also there core business isn't Ddos protection it's website optimization via cdn type setup. Our company also uses Equinix and other carrier hotels to provide Ddos protection, we provide a connection to our network by cross connects or peering exchanges , 1 gig or 10 gig and filter the Ddos before it leaves our network, this can be on full time or only when an attack is detected. Other methods of filtered traffic delivery are gre VPN tunnels and reverse proxy method. The difference between us , prolexic vs cloud flare is the different delivery methods allow protection against attacks towards other services and protocols besides http protocol/websites, and protection against entire networks versus an individual domain, it's just a different business model going after different market segments. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Abuse Contact wrote: Hi, I've heard that using Equinix has it's DDoS protection benefits like large companies such as CloudFlare use them for DDoS mitigation, I don't get it, how do they help with DDoS protection? You still get a 1Gbit from them or whatever and also do you guys know around how much they'd cost? Thanks! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Abuse Contact wrote: Hi, I've heard that using Equinix has it's DDoS protection benefits like large companies such as CloudFlare use them for DDoS mitigation, I don't get it, how do they help with DDoS protection? You still get a 1Gbit from them or whatever and also do you guys know around how much they'd cost? Thanks!
Re: DDoS mitigation Equinix?
Equinix doesn't provide Ddos protection , cloud flare is able to mitigate attacks by spreading out the traffic across 20-30 different pops which are mostly located at Equinix. Cloud flare is pretty much a cdn , people have been using cdns for years to mitigate Ddos like akaimi , wasn't really popular though because of how expensive cdns like Akamai were, btw they recently bought prolexic. Cloud flare as far as I know does not sell Ddos protection service by any other means then there web proxy/cache service. Also there core business isn't Ddos protection it's website optimization via cdn type setup. Our company also uses Equinix and other carrier hotels to provide Ddos protection, we provide a connection to our network by cross connects or peering exchanges , 1 gig or 10 gig and filter the Ddos before it leaves our network, this can be on full time or only when an attack is detected. Other methods of filtered traffic delivery are gre VPN tunnels and reverse proxy method. The difference between us , prolexic vs cloud flare is the different delivery methods allow protection against attacks towards other services and protocols besides http protocol/websites, and protection against entire networks versus an individual domain, it's just a different business model going after different market segments. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 19, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Abuse Contact > wrote: > > Hi, > I've heard that using Equinix has it's DDoS protection benefits like large > companies such as CloudFlare use them for DDoS mitigation, I don't get it, > how do they help with DDoS protection? You still get a 1Gbit from them or > whatever and also do you guys know around how much they'd cost? > > Thanks! Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 19, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Abuse Contact > wrote: > > Hi, > I've heard that using Equinix has it's DDoS protection benefits like large > companies such as CloudFlare use them for DDoS mitigation, I don't get it, > how do they help with DDoS protection? You still get a 1Gbit from them or > whatever and also do you guys know around how much they'd cost? > > Thanks!
Re: DDoS mitigation Equinix?
isn't the offering just a whiteboxed verisgn/prolexic equivalent though? On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Paul S. wrote: > This is done by performing some sort of filtering / acling, be it proactive > or reactive on the traffic before it's handed off to you. > > How exactly EQX' solution is engineered is a question best left for their > sales engineers or similar people to answer, though. > > > On 7/19/2014 午後 04:44, Abuse Contact wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I've heard that using Equinix has it's DDoS protection benefits like large >> companies such as CloudFlare use them for DDoS mitigation, I don't get it, >> how do they help with DDoS protection? You still get a 1Gbit from them or >> whatever and also do you guys know around how much they'd cost? >> >> Thanks! > >
Re: DDoS mitigation Equinix?
This is done by performing some sort of filtering / acling, be it proactive or reactive on the traffic before it's handed off to you. How exactly EQX' solution is engineered is a question best left for their sales engineers or similar people to answer, though. On 7/19/2014 午後 04:44, Abuse Contact wrote: Hi, I've heard that using Equinix has it's DDoS protection benefits like large companies such as CloudFlare use them for DDoS mitigation, I don't get it, how do they help with DDoS protection? You still get a 1Gbit from them or whatever and also do you guys know around how much they'd cost? Thanks!
DDoS mitigation Equinix?
Hi, I've heard that using Equinix has it's DDoS protection benefits like large companies such as CloudFlare use them for DDoS mitigation, I don't get it, how do they help with DDoS protection? You still get a 1Gbit from them or whatever and also do you guys know around how much they'd cost? Thanks!
