Re: DSLAMs
Not sure about 320+ ports. But I've used the Huawei MA5616 with decent success. They've got 32 port ADSL2+ (And VDSL) line cards that give you 128 ports per chassis. POTS passthrough per card. Don't expect any support. Pretty sure they're not intended for the US market. On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:26 AM Nick Edwards wrote: > Howdy y'all > > Chasing some info, does dlink still sell DAS4672 - 672 port adsl2+ dslams? > > after simple IP based units with pppoe pass through. > We could buy a bunch of planet 48 ports, which we used before, but we > hoping someone still puts out high capacity (320 plus port) units with > inbuilt pots splitters > > thanks >
Re: DSLAMs
Thanks all for the input, huawei is ruled out due to politics, looks like for costs we'll stick to the 48 ports from planet On 1/1/20, Clayton Zekelman wrote: > > I'd recommend avoiding the C7 - ADSL2+ > performance on them isn't the best. Look for > something with a Broadcom chipset. Even an old > Calix B6 would be better than C7 - although the > B6 gear is getting old, and reliability is > sketchy. The power converter modules on board seem to go. > > At 01:51 PM 31/12/2019, Shawn L via NANOG wrote: > >>That's a tough one. 48 port dslams with >>internal splitters are easy. When you're >>looking for more density you're almost always >>looking at external splitter shelves. Could >>also look at the calix c7 platform -- tons >>around on the used market -- but then again, no splitters. >> >> >> >> >>-Original Message- >>From: "Dennis Lundström" >>Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 12:32pm >>To: "Nick Edwards" >>Cc: "NANOG" >>Subject: Re: DSLAMs >> >>Found this one: >><ftp://ftp2.dlink.com/SUPPORT/End_of_Life_Product_List_091519.pdf>ftp://ftp2.dlink.com/SUPPORT/End_of_Life_Product_List_091519.pdf >>Stating EOL 2015-04-14 for HW revision A1. >>—Dennis >> >>On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:27 Nick Edwards >><<mailto:nick.z.edwa...@gmail.com>nick.z.edwa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>Howdy y'all >> >>Chasing some info, does dlink still sell DAS4672 - 672 port adsl2+ dslams? >> >>after simple IP based units with pppoe pass through. >>We could buy a bunch of planet 48 ports, which we used before, but we >>hoping someone still puts out high capacity (320 plus port) units with >>inbuilt pots splitters >> >>thanks > > -- > > Clayton Zekelman > Managed Network Systems Inc. (MNSi) > 3363 Tecumseh Rd. E > Windsor, Ontario > N8W 1H4 > > tel. 519-985-8410 > fax. 519-985-8409
Re: DSLAMs
I'd recommend avoiding the C7 - ADSL2+ performance on them isn't the best. Look for something with a Broadcom chipset. Even an old Calix B6 would be better than C7 - although the B6 gear is getting old, and reliability is sketchy. The power converter modules on board seem to go. At 01:51 PM 31/12/2019, Shawn L via NANOG wrote: That's a tough one. 48 port dslams with internal splitters are easy. When you're looking for more density you're almost always looking at external splitter shelves. Could also look at the calix c7 platform -- tons around on the used market -- but then again, no splitters. -Original Message- From: "Dennis Lundström" Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 12:32pm To: "Nick Edwards" Cc: "NANOG" Subject: Re: DSLAMs Found this one: <ftp://ftp2.dlink.com/SUPPORT/End_of_Life_Product_List_091519.pdf>ftp://ftp2.dlink.com/SUPPORT/End_of_Life_Product_List_091519.pdf Stating EOL 2015-04-14 for HW revision A1. Dennis On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:27 Nick Edwards <<mailto:nick.z.edwa...@gmail.com>nick.z.edwa...@gmail.com> wrote: Howdy y'all Chasing some info, does dlink still sell DAS4672 - 672 port adsl2+ dslams? after simple IP based units with pppoe pass through. We could buy a bunch of planet 48 ports, which we used before, but we hoping someone still puts out high capacity (320 plus port) units with inbuilt pots splitters thanks -- Clayton Zekelman Managed Network Systems Inc. (MNSi) 3363 Tecumseh Rd. E Windsor, Ontario N8W 1H4 tel. 519-985-8410 fax. 519-985-8409
Re: DSLAMs
That's a tough one. 48 port dslams with internal splitters are easy. When you're looking for more density you're almost always looking at external splitter shelves. Could also look at the calix c7 platform -- tons around on the used market -- but then again, no splitters. -Original Message- From: "Dennis Lundström" Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 12:32pm To: "Nick Edwards" Cc: "NANOG" Subject: Re: DSLAMs Found this one: [ ftp://ftp2.dlink.com/SUPPORT/End_of_Life_Product_List_091519.pdf ]( ftp://ftp2.dlink.com/SUPPORT/End_of_Life_Product_List_091519.pdf ) Stating EOL 2015-04-14 for HW revision A1. —Dennis On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:27 Nick Edwards <[ nick.z.edwa...@gmail.com ]( mailto:nick.z.edwa...@gmail.com )> wrote:Howdy y'all Chasing some info, does dlink still sell DAS4672 - 672 port adsl2+ dslams? after simple IP based units with pppoe pass through. We could buy a bunch of planet 48 ports, which we used before, but we hoping someone still puts out high capacity (320 plus port) units with inbuilt pots splitters thanks
Re: DSLAMs
Found this one: ftp://ftp2.dlink.com/SUPPORT/End_of_Life_Product_List_091519.pdf Stating EOL 2015-04-14 for HW revision A1. —Dennis On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:27 Nick Edwards wrote: > Howdy y'all > > Chasing some info, does dlink still sell DAS4672 - 672 port adsl2+ dslams? > > after simple IP based units with pppoe pass through. > We could buy a bunch of planet 48 ports, which we used before, but we > hoping someone still puts out high capacity (320 plus port) units with > inbuilt pots splitters > > thanks >
DSLAMs
Howdy y'all Chasing some info, does dlink still sell DAS4672 - 672 port adsl2+ dslams? after simple IP based units with pppoe pass through. We could buy a bunch of planet 48 ports, which we used before, but we hoping someone still puts out high capacity (320 plus port) units with inbuilt pots splitters thanks
Re: IP Dslams
Hi, >> How many devices are you looking for? >> Consider ZyXEL 1248: >> https://www.zyxel.com/uk/en/products_services/48-port-Temperature-Hardened-ADSL2--Box-DSLAM-IES-1248-5x-IES-1248-5xA-Series/ > > I had bad experiences with those. My apologies, my problems were with a different Zyxel model (which I don't recall anymore). Cheers, Sander signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP
RE: IP Dslams
Hi -Original Message- From: Sander Steffann Sent: January 5, 2019 7:05 AM Hi, >> How many devices are you looking for? >> Consider ZyXEL 1248: >> https://www.zyxel.com/uk/en/products_services/48-port-Temperature-Hardened-ADSL2--Box-DSLAM-IES-1248-5x-IES-1248-5xA-Series/ >I had bad experiences with those. When testing IPv6 they messed up the data >inside the PPP session. The client would negotiate IPv6 just fine, >but then >no IPv6 packet ever made it through the Zyxel. I replaced them with Draytek >VigorAccess, which worked fine for testing. My customer ?>that used those >Draytek's stopped using them last year. If anyone is interested I can ask them >if they are still in storage somewhere. Not sure about 1248, but my fellow has tested 5106 and IES6000 (https://www.zyxel.com/products_services/5U-6-slot-Chassis-MSAN-IES-5106-Series/) both work fine
Re: IP Dslams
Hi, > How many devices are you looking for? > Consider ZyXEL 1248: > https://www.zyxel.com/uk/en/products_services/48-port-Temperature-Hardened-ADSL2--Box-DSLAM-IES-1248-5x-IES-1248-5xA-Series/ I had bad experiences with those. When testing IPv6 they messed up the data inside the PPP session. The client would negotiate IPv6 just fine, but then no IPv6 packet ever made it through the Zyxel. I replaced them with Draytek VigorAccess, which worked fine for testing. My customer that used those Draytek's stopped using them last year. If anyone is interested I can ask them if they are still in storage somewhere. Cheers, Sander signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP
RE: IP Dslams
Hi Nick How many devices are you looking for? Consider ZyXEL 1248: https://www.zyxel.com/uk/en/products_services/48-port-Temperature-Hardened-ADSL2--Box-DSLAM-IES-1248-5x-IES-1248-5xA-Series/ For PPP and those stuff, you can rely on MikroTik. i.e. https://mikrotik.com/product/rb4011igs_rm @199USD you would have PPP(oE) aggregation + user manager panel and much more Regards Payam From: NANOG On Behalf Of Nick Edwards Sent: December 28, 2018 5:36 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: IP Dslams Howdy, We have a requirement for an aged care facility to provide voice and data, we have the voice worked out, but data, WiFi is out of the question, so are looking for IP-Dslams, preferably a system that is all-in-one, or self contained, as in contains its own BBRAS/LNS/PPP server/Radius, such as has a property managment API, or even just a webpage manager where admin can add in new residents when they arive, or delete when they depart I know these used to be available many years ago, but that vendor has like many vanished, only requirement is for ADSL2+, prefer units with either 48 ports or multiples of (192 etc) and have filtered voice out ports (telco50/rj21 etc) If anyone knows of such units, would appreciate some details on them, brand/model suppliers if known, etc, we can try get out google fu back if we have some steering:) Thank Y'all (resent - original never made it to the list for some gremlin reason)
Re: IP Dslams
Just a thought, would a two wire Ethernet extender technology (eg Phybridge) provide you with a simpler solution? xDSL needs a lot of infrastructure for a low port count (& budget) application. I have no idea if you can split the baseband out to provide POTS over the same pair, but even if you can't, Ethernet plus a VoIP phone or ATA to each unit may end up cheaper than a shed load of carrier oriented xDSL infra? On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 at 19:15, Nick Edwards wrote: > Howdy, > We have a requirement for an aged care facility to provide voice and data, > we have the voice worked out, but data, WiFi is out of the question, so are > looking for IP-Dslams, preferably a system that is all-in-one, or self > contained, as in contains its own BBRAS/LNS/PPP server/Radius, such as has > a property managment API, or even just a webpage manager where admin can > add in new residents when they arive, or delete when they depart I know > these used to be available many years ago, but that vendor has like many > vanished, only requirement is for ADSL2+, prefer units with either 48 ports > or multiples of (192 etc) and have filtered voice out ports (telco50/rj21 > etc) > > If anyone knows of such units, would appreciate some details on them, > brand/model suppliers if known, etc, we can try get out google fu back if > we have some steering:) > > Thank Y'all > > (resent - original never made it to the list for some gremlin reason) > -- -- Rob Pickering, r...@pickering.org
Re: IP Dslams
On 1/4/19 12:53 PM, Shawn L via NANOG wrote: The "newer" replacement for the 42xx series was the bitstorm (Bitstorm-RP2-152-AC), and they came in AC as well and 48 ports -- in a 1.5 U I think . Yep, that's probably the one you want to look at. I've got one on a shelf. Looks like a nice box. Pity it has no firmware on it. It does not have POTS built in, so you'd have to generate that somehow. An old Adit 600 with a bunch of FXS cards and CMG router might do it on the cheap. -- Brandon Martin
Re: IP Dslams
The "newer" replacement for the 42xx series was the bitstorm (Bitstorm-RP2-152-AC), and they came in AC as well and 48 ports -- in a 1.5 U I think . -Original Message- From: "Blake Hudson" Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 12:47pm To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: IP Dslams I was thinking the same thing. They're a few years out of support, but the Zhone 42xx IP DSLAM provides a 1Gbps ethernet uplink and 24 ADSL2+ DSL user ports per 1U chassis (stackable to achieve 192 ports total). Wish they were available in AC for non-telco use. [ http://support.zhone.com/support/manuals/docs/42/4200-A2-GN21-40.pdf ]( http://support.zhone.com/support/manuals/docs/42/4200-A2-GN21-40.pdf ) You could pair these with a pfSense appliance (or an x86 PC running the free software) to provide DHCP, DNS, etc - or use the built in pfSense captive portal to provide additional authentication and accounting per user. pfSense can provide NAT and FW if needed, or these features can be disabled to use globally routable IP4/IP6 addresses. As far as support goes, backup your pfsense and DLSAM configs when you finish the project and the subscriber accounts and DSL modems could be maintained by a local admin through the pfSense web interface with no need to touch the DSLAMs or anything CLI. --Blake Shawn L via NANOG wrote on 1/4/2019 8:59 AM: Might want to look for old Zhone ip bitstorm dslams. There should be a bunch on the used market. They do all of the ATM conversions internally so you just need to feed them with ethernet. -Original Message- From: "Nick Edwards" [ ]( mailto:nick.z.edwa...@gmail.com ) Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 9:36am To: "Brandon Martin" [ ]( mailto:lists.na...@monmotha.net ) Cc: "NANOG" [ ]( mailto:nanog@nanog.org ) Subject: Re: IP Dslams They don't have a large budget and although I'm yet to get prices on adtran's (understandable, holidays 'n all) I doubt it will fit within their budget, it's looking more like getting a few planet dslams and configuring a linux box as the bng, been 10 years since I've had to do that kind of setup, memories hazy, but I know it worked, and well, so thanks to all for suggestions but the adtrans and nokias are not for those on shoe string budgets, which wouldnt even allow me to include an asr1k for the bng, and although it would allow for, I'd rather not grab an ebay 7200/7300 :) On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 10:52 PM Brandon Martin <[ lists.na...@monmotha.net ]( mailto:lists.na...@monmotha.net )> wrote:On 1/2/19 6:47 AM, Nick Edwards wrote: > There are 260 villas, and no coax. Is there a logical way to distribute the termination? You might be able to get better performance (not that you perhaps care, in this case) at minimal additional cost if you can do building-local termination of each customer circuit and then backhaul on e.g. bonded VDSL2 or G.FAST over shorter distances (perhaps hopping building to building). I'm assuming there's no data grade copper or fiber if there's no coax. Obviously if you've got those, distributed termination makes even more sense. If you do want a centralized solution, an Adtran TA5006 (the small chassis) with 6x 48 port VDSL2 combo modules (with or without vectoring, depending on your needs) would do the job (though it fills the chassis and doesn't allow for expansion, so the full-size TA5000 may be desirable). I've played (and am playing with) the same system but with GPON termination and have been happy with it so far. -- Brandon Martin
Re: IP Dslams
I was thinking the same thing. They're a few years out of support, but the Zhone 42xx IP DSLAM provides a 1Gbps ethernet uplink and 24 ADSL2+ DSL user ports per 1U chassis (stackable to achieve 192 ports total). Wish they were available in AC for non-telco use. http://support.zhone.com/support/manuals/docs/42/4200-A2-GN21-40.pdf You could pair these with a pfSense appliance (or an x86 PC running the free software) to provide DHCP, DNS, etc - or use the built in pfSense captive portal to provide additional authentication and accounting per user. pfSense can provide NAT and FW if needed, or these features can be disabled to use globally routable IP4/IP6 addresses. As far as support goes, backup your pfsense and DLSAM configs when you finish the project and the subscriber accounts and DSL modems could be maintained by a local admin through the pfSense web interface with no need to touch the DSLAMs or anything CLI. --Blake Shawn L via NANOG wrote on 1/4/2019 8:59 AM: Might want to look for old Zhone ip bitstorm dslams. There should be a bunch on the used market. They do all of the ATM conversions internally so you just need to feed them with ethernet. -Original Message- From: "Nick Edwards" Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 9:36am To: "Brandon Martin" Cc: "NANOG" Subject: Re: IP Dslams They don't have a large budget and although I'm yet to get prices on adtran's (understandable, holidays 'n all) I doubt it will fit within their budget, it's looking more like getting a few planet dslams and configuring a linux box as the bng, been 10 years since I've had to do that kind of setup, memories hazy, but I know it worked, and well, so thanks to all for suggestions but the adtrans and nokias are not for those on shoe string budgets, which wouldnt even allow me to include an asr1k for the bng, and although it would allow for, I'd rather not grab an ebay 7200/7300 :) On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 10:52 PM Brandon Martin mailto:lists.na...@monmotha.net>> wrote: On 1/2/19 6:47 AM, Nick Edwards wrote: > There are 260 villas, and no coax. Is there a logical way to distribute the termination? You might be able to get better performance (not that you perhaps care, in this case) at minimal additional cost if you can do building-local termination of each customer circuit and then backhaul on e.g. bonded VDSL2 or G.FAST over shorter distances (perhaps hopping building to building). I'm assuming there's no data grade copper or fiber if there's no coax. Obviously if you've got those, distributed termination makes even more sense. If you do want a centralized solution, an Adtran TA5006 (the small chassis) with 6x 48 port VDSL2 combo modules (with or without vectoring, depending on your needs) would do the job (though it fills the chassis and doesn't allow for expansion, so the full-size TA5000 may be desirable). I've played (and am playing with) the same system but with GPON termination and have been happy with it so far. -- Brandon Martin
Re: IP Dslams
On Sat, 29 Dec 2018, Nick Edwards wrote: Howdy, We have a requirement for an aged care facility to provide voice and data, we have the voice worked out, but data, WiFi is out of the question, so are looking for IP-Dslams, preferably a system that is all-in-one, or self contained, as in contains its own BBRAS/LNS/PPP server/Radius, such as has a property managment API, or even just a webpage manager where admin can Are you sure you need all of that? When I designed ADSL solutions ~15 years ago I built with Paradyne DSLAM with ethernet uplink, then we used rfc 1483 bridged over ATM, so no need for PPP, radius or anything. It was just IPoETHERNEToATM and all the regular IPoE mechanisms could be used (DHCP etc). So we just bundled the DSLAM with an L3 switch and that was that. One vlan per customer which solved the customer isolation problem. Customer could run modem in either bridged mode or terminate the IPoETHoATM PVC on the RG itself. -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm...@swm.pp.se
Re: IP Dslams
You might start hunting on the used market for Occam/Calix B6 equipment, specifically the B6-252 ADSL2+ and POTS card and the 12 slot chassis. You'll have to put in some supporting infrastructure, but they do work well, and I know of at least two aftermarket repair places that will repair them for a reasonable (for the telecom world) cost. On Fri, Jan 4, 2019, 06:38 Nick Edwards They don't have a large budget and although I'm yet to get prices on > adtran's (understandable, holidays 'n all) I doubt it will fit within their > budget, it's looking more like getting a few planet dslams and configuring > a linux box as the bng, been 10 years since I've had to do that kind of > setup, memories hazy, but I know it worked, and well, so thanks to all for > suggestions but the adtrans and nokias are not for those on shoe string > budgets, which wouldnt even allow me to include an asr1k for the bng, and > although it would allow for, I'd rather not grab an ebay 7200/7300 :) > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 10:52 PM Brandon Martin > wrote: > >> On 1/2/19 6:47 AM, Nick Edwards wrote: >> > There are 260 villas, and no coax. >> >> Is there a logical way to distribute the termination? You might be able >> to get better performance (not that you perhaps care, in this case) at >> minimal additional cost if you can do building-local termination of each >> customer circuit and then backhaul on e.g. bonded VDSL2 or G.FAST over >> shorter distances (perhaps hopping building to building). >> >> I'm assuming there's no data grade copper or fiber if there's no coax. >> Obviously if you've got those, distributed termination makes even more >> sense. >> >> If you do want a centralized solution, an Adtran TA5006 (the small >> chassis) with 6x 48 port VDSL2 combo modules (with or without vectoring, >> depending on your needs) would do the job (though it fills the chassis >> and doesn't allow for expansion, so the full-size TA5000 may be >> desirable). I've played (and am playing with) the same system but with >> GPON termination and have been happy with it so far. >> -- >> Brandon Martin >> > -- Like us on Social Media for News, Promotions, and other information!! <https://www.facebook.com/SCTCWEB/> <https://www.instagram.com/sctc_503/> <https://www.yelp.com/biz/sctc-stayton-3> <https://www.youtube.com/c/sctcvideos> _ This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. _
Re: IP Dslams
Might want to look for old Zhone ip bitstorm dslams. There should be a bunch on the used market. They do all of the ATM conversions internally so you just need to feed them with ethernet. -Original Message- From: "Nick Edwards" Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 9:36am To: "Brandon Martin" Cc: "NANOG" Subject: Re: IP Dslams They don't have a large budget and although I'm yet to get prices on adtran's (understandable, holidays 'n all) I doubt it will fit within their budget, it's looking more like getting a few planet dslams and configuring a linux box as the bng, been 10 years since I've had to do that kind of setup, memories hazy, but I know it worked, and well, so thanks to all for suggestions but the adtrans and nokias are not for those on shoe string budgets, which wouldnt even allow me to include an asr1k for the bng, and although it would allow for, I'd rather not grab an ebay 7200/7300 :) On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 10:52 PM Brandon Martin <[ lists.na...@monmotha.net ]( mailto:lists.na...@monmotha.net )> wrote:On 1/2/19 6:47 AM, Nick Edwards wrote: > There are 260 villas, and no coax. Is there a logical way to distribute the termination? You might be able to get better performance (not that you perhaps care, in this case) at minimal additional cost if you can do building-local termination of each customer circuit and then backhaul on e.g. bonded VDSL2 or G.FAST over shorter distances (perhaps hopping building to building). I'm assuming there's no data grade copper or fiber if there's no coax. Obviously if you've got those, distributed termination makes even more sense. If you do want a centralized solution, an Adtran TA5006 (the small chassis) with 6x 48 port VDSL2 combo modules (with or without vectoring, depending on your needs) would do the job (though it fills the chassis and doesn't allow for expansion, so the full-size TA5000 may be desirable). I've played (and am playing with) the same system but with GPON termination and have been happy with it so far. -- Brandon Martin
Re: IP Dslams
They don't have a large budget and although I'm yet to get prices on adtran's (understandable, holidays 'n all) I doubt it will fit within their budget, it's looking more like getting a few planet dslams and configuring a linux box as the bng, been 10 years since I've had to do that kind of setup, memories hazy, but I know it worked, and well, so thanks to all for suggestions but the adtrans and nokias are not for those on shoe string budgets, which wouldnt even allow me to include an asr1k for the bng, and although it would allow for, I'd rather not grab an ebay 7200/7300 :) On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 10:52 PM Brandon Martin wrote: > On 1/2/19 6:47 AM, Nick Edwards wrote: > > There are 260 villas, and no coax. > > Is there a logical way to distribute the termination? You might be able > to get better performance (not that you perhaps care, in this case) at > minimal additional cost if you can do building-local termination of each > customer circuit and then backhaul on e.g. bonded VDSL2 or G.FAST over > shorter distances (perhaps hopping building to building). > > I'm assuming there's no data grade copper or fiber if there's no coax. > Obviously if you've got those, distributed termination makes even more > sense. > > If you do want a centralized solution, an Adtran TA5006 (the small > chassis) with 6x 48 port VDSL2 combo modules (with or without vectoring, > depending on your needs) would do the job (though it fills the chassis > and doesn't allow for expansion, so the full-size TA5000 may be > desirable). I've played (and am playing with) the same system but with > GPON termination and have been happy with it so far. > -- > Brandon Martin >
Re: IP Dslams
On 1/2/19 6:47 AM, Nick Edwards wrote: There are 260 villas, and no coax. Is there a logical way to distribute the termination? You might be able to get better performance (not that you perhaps care, in this case) at minimal additional cost if you can do building-local termination of each customer circuit and then backhaul on e.g. bonded VDSL2 or G.FAST over shorter distances (perhaps hopping building to building). I'm assuming there's no data grade copper or fiber if there's no coax. Obviously if you've got those, distributed termination makes even more sense. If you do want a centralized solution, an Adtran TA5006 (the small chassis) with 6x 48 port VDSL2 combo modules (with or without vectoring, depending on your needs) would do the job (though it fills the chassis and doesn't allow for expansion, so the full-size TA5000 may be desirable). I've played (and am playing with) the same system but with GPON termination and have been happy with it so far. -- Brandon Martin
Re: IP Dslams
Thanks, do you have any brand DSLAM with combo card in mind? There are 260 villas, and no coax. On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 2:01 PM Colton Conor wrote: > Indstead of using a Vega 3050 for voice I would just get a DSLAM with a > Combo card, and be done with it. VDSL2+ ports plus SIP FXS all on the same > card. With that you get metalic testing which would be good for your > situation. > > How many units are you talking about? Do you have access to Coaxial cable? > > On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 6:31 AM Nick Edwards > wrote: > >> drats that last @ should have been to Colton, my apologies... >> >> I have in past used dlink and planet dslams as they were back then dirt >> cheap, I guess I might have to look at a small mikrotik device that can do >> all my requirements, just trying to use the KISS approach, as I'm the >> contractor installing it and wont be the one running it on a day to day >> as-needed basis, thats their admissions staff who will add/delete them >> >> On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 10:19 PM Nick Edwards >> wrote: >> >>> Firstly, thanks everyone for replies. >>> >>> @Carl: ADSL2 dslams would no doubt be cheaper than VDSL for retirement >>> village, and as a retirement village, residents must be 65+, therefor, they >>> wont have high bandwidth needs, based on their other much older properties, >>> their residents use between 2 and 15GB a month, with an average of 5GB, so >>> VDSL -if not the same cost as ADSL2 dslams, would be a waste, and from my >>> experience ADSL2 is more stable over distances, where the furthest villas >>> are 800 meters away from comms room. >>> >>> As for phones, we are installing a PBXact1000, and for the villas, we >>> will be using a bunch of Vega 3050 50 port Analogue gateways talking to it. >>> These villas are stand alone duplexes, so running ethernet is not feasible >>> They have a PMS which takes care of billing, although if they do what do at >>> other places they run, residents are usually given a 30 dollar a month call >>> credit which is likely included in their monthly "complex maintenance" fees. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 8:12 AM Colton Conor >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Carl, >>>> >>>> What did you select to replace your MX BNG? >>>> >>>> To Nick, we use Adtran Total Access 5000's today. They work fine, but >>>> if I was doing a new install I would do Calix with their newer lines that >>>> have SDN BNG functions. Calix just has better CPE to go along with it, but >>>> they are just G.Fast and ethernet only CPE's. >>>> >>>> Why only ADSL2+? >>>> >>>> What are you doing for voice? >>>> >>>> Do you have access to Coax cable? If so I would do a small 32x10 CMTS >>>> with cable modem. Much cheaper and future proof. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 3:47 PM Carl Peterson < >>>> carl-li...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'd consider breaking down the two functions. >>>>> Set up your customer connections using ADSL Ethernet, etc and put each >>>>> unit in the building on its own CVLAN. This should never change even when >>>>> the subscribers in the unit change. This way you can configure it once >>>>> and >>>>> never touch it again. I'd use Calix G.fast but I have no idea what your >>>>> budget/wiring looks like and I'm not sure where their e3-48 and E5-48 are >>>>> in general availability. >>>>> >>>>> Then hand the SVLAN with all the CVLANs off to the BNG and >>>>> authenticate the circuits using IPoE. Waystream has an ASR6000 switch >>>>> with >>>>> BNG functionalities (I've never used it, just came across it when looking >>>>> for other options to replace my MX BNG. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 1:15 PM Nick Edwards >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Howdy, >>>>>> We have a requirement for an aged care facility to provide voice and >>>>>> data, we have the voice worked out, but data, WiFi is out of the >>>>>> question, >>>>>> so are looking for IP-Dslams, preferably a system that is all-in-one, or >>>>>> self contained, as in contains its own BBRAS/LNS/PPP server/Radius, such >>>>>> as >>>>>> has a property managment API, or even just a webpage manager where admin >>>>>> can add in new residents when they arive, or delete when they depart I >>>>>> know >>>>>> these used to be available many years ago, but that vendor has like many >>>>>> vanished, only requirement is for ADSL2+, prefer units with either 48 >>>>>> ports >>>>>> or multiples of (192 etc) and have filtered voice out ports (telco50/rj21 >>>>>> etc) >>>>>> >>>>>> If anyone knows of such units, would appreciate some details on >>>>>> them, brand/model suppliers if known, etc, we can try get out google fu >>>>>> back if we have some steering:) >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank Y'all >>>>>> >>>>>> (resent - original never made it to the list for some gremlin reason) >>>>>> >>>>>
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Indstead of using a Vega 3050 for voice I would just get a DSLAM with a Combo card, and be done with it. VDSL2+ ports plus SIP FXS all on the same card. With that you get metalic testing which would be good for your situation. How many units are you talking about? Do you have access to Coaxial cable? On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 6:31 AM Nick Edwards wrote: > drats that last @ should have been to Colton, my apologies... > > I have in past used dlink and planet dslams as they were back then dirt > cheap, I guess I might have to look at a small mikrotik device that can do > all my requirements, just trying to use the KISS approach, as I'm the > contractor installing it and wont be the one running it on a day to day > as-needed basis, thats their admissions staff who will add/delete them > > On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 10:19 PM Nick Edwards > wrote: > >> Firstly, thanks everyone for replies. >> >> @Carl: ADSL2 dslams would no doubt be cheaper than VDSL for retirement >> village, and as a retirement village, residents must be 65+, therefor, they >> wont have high bandwidth needs, based on their other much older properties, >> their residents use between 2 and 15GB a month, with an average of 5GB, so >> VDSL -if not the same cost as ADSL2 dslams, would be a waste, and from my >> experience ADSL2 is more stable over distances, where the furthest villas >> are 800 meters away from comms room. >> >> As for phones, we are installing a PBXact1000, and for the villas, we >> will be using a bunch of Vega 3050 50 port Analogue gateways talking to it. >> These villas are stand alone duplexes, so running ethernet is not feasible >> They have a PMS which takes care of billing, although if they do what do at >> other places they run, residents are usually given a 30 dollar a month call >> credit which is likely included in their monthly "complex maintenance" fees. >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 8:12 AM Colton Conor >> wrote: >> >>> Carl, >>> >>> What did you select to replace your MX BNG? >>> >>> To Nick, we use Adtran Total Access 5000's today. They work fine, but if >>> I was doing a new install I would do Calix with their newer lines that have >>> SDN BNG functions. Calix just has better CPE to go along with it, but they >>> are just G.Fast and ethernet only CPE's. >>> >>> Why only ADSL2+? >>> >>> What are you doing for voice? >>> >>> Do you have access to Coax cable? If so I would do a small 32x10 CMTS >>> with cable modem. Much cheaper and future proof. >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 3:47 PM Carl Peterson < >>> carl-li...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I'd consider breaking down the two functions. >>>> Set up your customer connections using ADSL Ethernet, etc and put each >>>> unit in the building on its own CVLAN. This should never change even when >>>> the subscribers in the unit change. This way you can configure it once and >>>> never touch it again. I'd use Calix G.fast but I have no idea what your >>>> budget/wiring looks like and I'm not sure where their e3-48 and E5-48 are >>>> in general availability. >>>> >>>> Then hand the SVLAN with all the CVLANs off to the BNG and authenticate >>>> the circuits using IPoE. Waystream has an ASR6000 switch with BNG >>>> functionalities (I've never used it, just came across it when looking for >>>> other options to replace my MX BNG. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 1:15 PM Nick Edwards >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Howdy, >>>>> We have a requirement for an aged care facility to provide voice and >>>>> data, we have the voice worked out, but data, WiFi is out of the question, >>>>> so are looking for IP-Dslams, preferably a system that is all-in-one, or >>>>> self contained, as in contains its own BBRAS/LNS/PPP server/Radius, such >>>>> as >>>>> has a property managment API, or even just a webpage manager where admin >>>>> can add in new residents when they arive, or delete when they depart I >>>>> know >>>>> these used to be available many years ago, but that vendor has like many >>>>> vanished, only requirement is for ADSL2+, prefer units with either 48 >>>>> ports >>>>> or multiples of (192 etc) and have filtered voice out ports (telco50/rj21 >>>>> etc) >>>>> >>>>> If anyone knows of such units, would appreciate some details on them, >>>>> brand/model suppliers if known, etc, we can try get out google fu back if >>>>> we have some steering:) >>>>> >>>>> Thank Y'all >>>>> >>>>> (resent - original never made it to the list for some gremlin reason) >>>>> >>>>
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drats that last @ should have been to Colton, my apologies... I have in past used dlink and planet dslams as they were back then dirt cheap, I guess I might have to look at a small mikrotik device that can do all my requirements, just trying to use the KISS approach, as I'm the contractor installing it and wont be the one running it on a day to day as-needed basis, thats their admissions staff who will add/delete them On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 10:19 PM Nick Edwards wrote: > Firstly, thanks everyone for replies. > > @Carl: ADSL2 dslams would no doubt be cheaper than VDSL for retirement > village, and as a retirement village, residents must be 65+, therefor, they > wont have high bandwidth needs, based on their other much older properties, > their residents use between 2 and 15GB a month, with an average of 5GB, so > VDSL -if not the same cost as ADSL2 dslams, would be a waste, and from my > experience ADSL2 is more stable over distances, where the furthest villas > are 800 meters away from comms room. > > As for phones, we are installing a PBXact1000, and for the villas, we will > be using a bunch of Vega 3050 50 port Analogue gateways talking to it. > These villas are stand alone duplexes, so running ethernet is not feasible > They have a PMS which takes care of billing, although if they do what do at > other places they run, residents are usually given a 30 dollar a month call > credit which is likely included in their monthly "complex maintenance" fees. > > > On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 8:12 AM Colton Conor > wrote: > >> Carl, >> >> What did you select to replace your MX BNG? >> >> To Nick, we use Adtran Total Access 5000's today. They work fine, but if >> I was doing a new install I would do Calix with their newer lines that have >> SDN BNG functions. Calix just has better CPE to go along with it, but they >> are just G.Fast and ethernet only CPE's. >> >> Why only ADSL2+? >> >> What are you doing for voice? >> >> Do you have access to Coax cable? If so I would do a small 32x10 CMTS >> with cable modem. Much cheaper and future proof. >> >> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 3:47 PM Carl Peterson < >> carl-li...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >> >>> I'd consider breaking down the two functions. >>> Set up your customer connections using ADSL Ethernet, etc and put each >>> unit in the building on its own CVLAN. This should never change even when >>> the subscribers in the unit change. This way you can configure it once and >>> never touch it again. I'd use Calix G.fast but I have no idea what your >>> budget/wiring looks like and I'm not sure where their e3-48 and E5-48 are >>> in general availability. >>> >>> Then hand the SVLAN with all the CVLANs off to the BNG and authenticate >>> the circuits using IPoE. Waystream has an ASR6000 switch with BNG >>> functionalities (I've never used it, just came across it when looking for >>> other options to replace my MX BNG. >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 1:15 PM Nick Edwards >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Howdy, >>>> We have a requirement for an aged care facility to provide voice and >>>> data, we have the voice worked out, but data, WiFi is out of the question, >>>> so are looking for IP-Dslams, preferably a system that is all-in-one, or >>>> self contained, as in contains its own BBRAS/LNS/PPP server/Radius, such as >>>> has a property managment API, or even just a webpage manager where admin >>>> can add in new residents when they arive, or delete when they depart I know >>>> these used to be available many years ago, but that vendor has like many >>>> vanished, only requirement is for ADSL2+, prefer units with either 48 ports >>>> or multiples of (192 etc) and have filtered voice out ports (telco50/rj21 >>>> etc) >>>> >>>> If anyone knows of such units, would appreciate some details on them, >>>> brand/model suppliers if known, etc, we can try get out google fu back if >>>> we have some steering:) >>>> >>>> Thank Y'all >>>> >>>> (resent - original never made it to the list for some gremlin reason) >>>> >>>
Re: IP Dslams
On 1/1/19 7:19 AM, Nick Edwards wrote: @Carl: ADSL2 dslams would no doubt be cheaper than VDSL for retirement village, and as a retirement village, residents must be 65+, therefor, they wont have high bandwidth needs, based on their other much older properties, their residents use between 2 and 15GB a month, with an average of 5GB, so VDSL -if not the same cost as ADSL2 dslams, would be a waste, and from my experience ADSL2 is more stable over distances, where the furthest villas are 800 meters away from comms room. If you're wanting to buy used gear, ADSL2+ DSLAMs are indeed probably cheaper, but you might have trouble finding native IP/Ethernet ones. A lot of the older stuff predating the VDSL era was very ATM-centric. I'm not sure anyone's still really making ADSL2+-only DSLAMs, so I'm not sure a 1:1 cost comparison is even possible on new gear. Note that most VDSL/VSDL2 DSLAMs do support ADSL2/ADSL2+ fallback, so you're not stuck with VDSL if you do have a problematic link, and you've got a bit more future-proofing. You can also get G.FAST DSLAMs with VDSL and ADSL2 fallback if you wanted to really have some future-proofing. 800m is probably pushing it for G.FAST, but VDSL2 should run on that just fine even on crummy old voice-grade copper. Depending on how it's bundled, you might not be able to use every pair in a cable for VDSL2, but if you're putting POTS on a separate pair, that means half your pairs right there are not running DSL at all. Again, with most VDSL DSLAMs, you've got the option of ADSL2 fallback if you do need it on the long-distance links. ADSL2 does have the advantage that you can (probably) run POTS+DSL on the same pair if you need to. I'm not sure that's possible with VDSL, but I'd love someone to prove me wrong. -- Brandon Martin
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Firstly, thanks everyone for replies. @Carl: ADSL2 dslams would no doubt be cheaper than VDSL for retirement village, and as a retirement village, residents must be 65+, therefor, they wont have high bandwidth needs, based on their other much older properties, their residents use between 2 and 15GB a month, with an average of 5GB, so VDSL -if not the same cost as ADSL2 dslams, would be a waste, and from my experience ADSL2 is more stable over distances, where the furthest villas are 800 meters away from comms room. As for phones, we are installing a PBXact1000, and for the villas, we will be using a bunch of Vega 3050 50 port Analogue gateways talking to it. These villas are stand alone duplexes, so running ethernet is not feasible They have a PMS which takes care of billing, although if they do what do at other places they run, residents are usually given a 30 dollar a month call credit which is likely included in their monthly "complex maintenance" fees. On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 8:12 AM Colton Conor wrote: > Carl, > > What did you select to replace your MX BNG? > > To Nick, we use Adtran Total Access 5000's today. They work fine, but if I > was doing a new install I would do Calix with their newer lines that have > SDN BNG functions. Calix just has better CPE to go along with it, but they > are just G.Fast and ethernet only CPE's. > > Why only ADSL2+? > > What are you doing for voice? > > Do you have access to Coax cable? If so I would do a small 32x10 CMTS with > cable modem. Much cheaper and future proof. > > On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 3:47 PM Carl Peterson > wrote: > >> I'd consider breaking down the two functions. >> Set up your customer connections using ADSL Ethernet, etc and put each >> unit in the building on its own CVLAN. This should never change even when >> the subscribers in the unit change. This way you can configure it once and >> never touch it again. I'd use Calix G.fast but I have no idea what your >> budget/wiring looks like and I'm not sure where their e3-48 and E5-48 are >> in general availability. >> >> Then hand the SVLAN with all the CVLANs off to the BNG and authenticate >> the circuits using IPoE. Waystream has an ASR6000 switch with BNG >> functionalities (I've never used it, just came across it when looking for >> other options to replace my MX BNG. >> >> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 1:15 PM Nick Edwards >> wrote: >> >>> Howdy, >>> We have a requirement for an aged care facility to provide voice and >>> data, we have the voice worked out, but data, WiFi is out of the question, >>> so are looking for IP-Dslams, preferably a system that is all-in-one, or >>> self contained, as in contains its own BBRAS/LNS/PPP server/Radius, such as >>> has a property managment API, or even just a webpage manager where admin >>> can add in new residents when they arive, or delete when they depart I know >>> these used to be available many years ago, but that vendor has like many >>> vanished, only requirement is for ADSL2+, prefer units with either 48 ports >>> or multiples of (192 etc) and have filtered voice out ports (telco50/rj21 >>> etc) >>> >>> If anyone knows of such units, would appreciate some details on them, >>> brand/model suppliers if known, etc, we can try get out google fu back if >>> we have some steering:) >>> >>> Thank Y'all >>> >>> (resent - original never made it to the list for some gremlin reason) >>> >>
Re: IP Dslams
Most of my experience is with Calix C7 and E7 DSL, fan of both. Recently learning the Adtran TA5000, not impressed. Hardware may be solid, but management is ugly and painful. Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone Original message From: Erik Sundberg Date: 12/31/18 1:32 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Nick Edwards Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: IP Dslams I haven’t used any of theses… Check out Adtran Total Access 5000 Platform…. Used by a lot of EoC / EoDS1 carriers Google: Ethernet Extender DSLAM https://enableit.com/rackmount-extender/ From: NANOG On Behalf Of Nick Edwards Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 7:36 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: IP Dslams Howdy, We have a requirement for an aged care facility to provide voice and data, we have the voice worked out, but data, WiFi is out of the question, so are looking for IP-Dslams, preferably a system that is all-in-one, or self contained, as in contains its own BBRAS/LNS/PPP server/Radius, such as has a property managment API, or even just a webpage manager where admin can add in new residents when they arive, or delete when they depart I know these used to be available many years ago, but that vendor has like many vanished, only requirement is for ADSL2+, prefer units with either 48 ports or multiples of (192 etc) and have filtered voice out ports (telco50/rj21 etc) If anyone knows of such units, would appreciate some details on them, brand/model suppliers if known, etc, we can try get out google fu back if we have some steering:) Thank Y'all (resent - original never made it to the list for some gremlin reason) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e-mail messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this transmission is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by replying to this e-mail. You must destroy the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving in any manner. Thank you. Jason Baugher, Network Operations Manager 405 Emminga Road | PO Box 217 | Golden, IL 62339-0217 P:(217) 696-4411 | F:(217) 696-4811 | www.adams.net<http://www.adams.net/> [Adams-Logo]<http://adams.net/> The information contained in this email message is PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL, and is intended for the use of the addressee and no one else. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, distribute, reproduce or use this email message (or the attachments) and notify the sender of the mistaken transmission. Thank you.
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Carl, What did you select to replace your MX BNG? To Nick, we use Adtran Total Access 5000's today. They work fine, but if I was doing a new install I would do Calix with their newer lines that have SDN BNG functions. Calix just has better CPE to go along with it, but they are just G.Fast and ethernet only CPE's. Why only ADSL2+? What are you doing for voice? Do you have access to Coax cable? If so I would do a small 32x10 CMTS with cable modem. Much cheaper and future proof. On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 3:47 PM Carl Peterson wrote: > I'd consider breaking down the two functions. > Set up your customer connections using ADSL Ethernet, etc and put each > unit in the building on its own CVLAN. This should never change even when > the subscribers in the unit change. This way you can configure it once and > never touch it again. I'd use Calix G.fast but I have no idea what your > budget/wiring looks like and I'm not sure where their e3-48 and E5-48 are > in general availability. > > Then hand the SVLAN with all the CVLANs off to the BNG and authenticate > the circuits using IPoE. Waystream has an ASR6000 switch with BNG > functionalities (I've never used it, just came across it when looking for > other options to replace my MX BNG. > > On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 1:15 PM Nick Edwards > wrote: > >> Howdy, >> We have a requirement for an aged care facility to provide voice and >> data, we have the voice worked out, but data, WiFi is out of the question, >> so are looking for IP-Dslams, preferably a system that is all-in-one, or >> self contained, as in contains its own BBRAS/LNS/PPP server/Radius, such as >> has a property managment API, or even just a webpage manager where admin >> can add in new residents when they arive, or delete when they depart I know >> these used to be available many years ago, but that vendor has like many >> vanished, only requirement is for ADSL2+, prefer units with either 48 ports >> or multiples of (192 etc) and have filtered voice out ports (telco50/rj21 >> etc) >> >> If anyone knows of such units, would appreciate some details on them, >> brand/model suppliers if known, etc, we can try get out google fu back if >> we have some steering:) >> >> Thank Y'all >> >> (resent - original never made it to the list for some gremlin reason) >> >
Re: IP Dslams
I'd consider breaking down the two functions. Set up your customer connections using ADSL Ethernet, etc and put each unit in the building on its own CVLAN. This should never change even when the subscribers in the unit change. This way you can configure it once and never touch it again. I'd use Calix G.fast but I have no idea what your budget/wiring looks like and I'm not sure where their e3-48 and E5-48 are in general availability. Then hand the SVLAN with all the CVLANs off to the BNG and authenticate the circuits using IPoE. Waystream has an ASR6000 switch with BNG functionalities (I've never used it, just came across it when looking for other options to replace my MX BNG. On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 1:15 PM Nick Edwards wrote: > Howdy, > We have a requirement for an aged care facility to provide voice and data, > we have the voice worked out, but data, WiFi is out of the question, so are > looking for IP-Dslams, preferably a system that is all-in-one, or self > contained, as in contains its own BBRAS/LNS/PPP server/Radius, such as has > a property managment API, or even just a webpage manager where admin can > add in new residents when they arive, or delete when they depart I know > these used to be available many years ago, but that vendor has like many > vanished, only requirement is for ADSL2+, prefer units with either 48 ports > or multiples of (192 etc) and have filtered voice out ports (telco50/rj21 > etc) > > If anyone knows of such units, would appreciate some details on them, > brand/model suppliers if known, etc, we can try get out google fu back if > we have some steering:) > > Thank Y'all > > (resent - original never made it to the list for some gremlin reason) >
Re: IP Dslams
+1 for Adtran TA5000 .. we use them, my former employer uses them with great success. There’s also the Calix series of gear that is quite good too … From: NANOG on behalf of Erik Sundberg Date: Monday, December 31, 2018 at 2:31 PM To: Nick Edwards Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" Subject: RE: IP Dslams I haven’t used any of theses… Check out Adtran Total Access 5000 Platform…. Used by a lot of EoC / EoDS1 carriers Google: Ethernet Extender DSLAM https://enableit.com/rackmount-extender/ From: NANOG On Behalf Of Nick Edwards Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 7:36 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: IP Dslams Howdy, We have a requirement for an aged care facility to provide voice and data, we have the voice worked out, but data, WiFi is out of the question, so are looking for IP-Dslams, preferably a system that is all-in-one, or self contained, as in contains its own BBRAS/LNS/PPP server/Radius, such as has a property managment API, or even just a webpage manager where admin can add in new residents when they arive, or delete when they depart I know these used to be available many years ago, but that vendor has like many vanished, only requirement is for ADSL2+, prefer units with either 48 ports or multiples of (192 etc) and have filtered voice out ports (telco50/rj21 etc) If anyone knows of such units, would appreciate some details on them, brand/model suppliers if known, etc, we can try get out google fu back if we have some steering:) Thank Y'all (resent - original never made it to the list for some gremlin reason) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e-mail messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this transmission is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by replying to this e-mail. You must destroy the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving in any manner. Thank you.
RE: IP Dslams
I haven’t used any of theses… Check out Adtran Total Access 5000 Platform…. Used by a lot of EoC / EoDS1 carriers Google: Ethernet Extender DSLAM https://enableit.com/rackmount-extender/ From: NANOG On Behalf Of Nick Edwards Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 7:36 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: IP Dslams Howdy, We have a requirement for an aged care facility to provide voice and data, we have the voice worked out, but data, WiFi is out of the question, so are looking for IP-Dslams, preferably a system that is all-in-one, or self contained, as in contains its own BBRAS/LNS/PPP server/Radius, such as has a property managment API, or even just a webpage manager where admin can add in new residents when they arive, or delete when they depart I know these used to be available many years ago, but that vendor has like many vanished, only requirement is for ADSL2+, prefer units with either 48 ports or multiples of (192 etc) and have filtered voice out ports (telco50/rj21 etc) If anyone knows of such units, would appreciate some details on them, brand/model suppliers if known, etc, we can try get out google fu back if we have some steering:) Thank Y'all (resent - original never made it to the list for some gremlin reason) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e-mail messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this transmission is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by replying to this e-mail. You must destroy the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving in any manner. Thank you.
IP Dslams
Howdy, We have a requirement for an aged care facility to provide voice and data, we have the voice worked out, but data, WiFi is out of the question, so are looking for IP-Dslams, preferably a system that is all-in-one, or self contained, as in contains its own BBRAS/LNS/PPP server/Radius, such as has a property managment API, or even just a webpage manager where admin can add in new residents when they arive, or delete when they depart I know these used to be available many years ago, but that vendor has like many vanished, only requirement is for ADSL2+, prefer units with either 48 ports or multiples of (192 etc) and have filtered voice out ports (telco50/rj21 etc) If anyone knows of such units, would appreciate some details on them, brand/model suppliers if known, etc, we can try get out google fu back if we have some steering:) Thank Y'all (resent - original never made it to the list for some gremlin reason)
Any old Nokia DSLAMs gathering dust?
Hello NANOGers, I wonder, would anyone here happen to have an unused Nokia / Diamond Lane Speedlink DSLAM chassis that's laying around gathering dust and which you wouldn't mind donating to an open source xDSL CPE project? Just wondering if anyone here might perchance have one they are trying to get rid of - after all, one man's garbage is another man's treasure... MS
IP DSLAMs
All, Looking for a recommendation on DSLAMs to replace our unsupported Cisco 6015s. Requirements are: G.SHDSL 2 and 4 wire mode (CPEs are strictly Cisco 828, 878, and small cisco routers using WIC-1SHDSL and the V2/V3 of them) QOS would be nice, not a necessity SNMPv3 and SSHv2 support IPv6 support now or in a future upgrade Doesn't need to actually route, but if it can bridge one or more downstream CPEs into an ethernet dot1q VLAN on an uplink, that'll work Don't want ATM uplinks, ethernet only, dual uplinks preferred Looking for port density ranging from 15 to about 100 in a chassis Power can be DC, but AC is greatly preferred Off-list responses appreciated, since this is kind of OT. These are for large campus environments where some remote buildings are maybe a mile or two from a campus-owned telecom shack, with only copper connectivity to said building. No POTS is required over the DSL links, the copper pairs are dedicated. Thanks, Chuck
