Re: Data centre info

2009-05-07 Thread Shawn Hammer


On May 7, 2009, at 7:25 AM, Deric Kwok deric.kwok2...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi all

Any suggestion about data center

1/ to put on the switch in rack?

eg: top. middle or bottom position

2/ There is no raise floor
- adv
- disadv

Thank you for your information


We like to see switch gear in the top of the rack and exhausting put  
the back (provided it doesn't have side to side air flow)


Not having raised floor doesn't matter so long as cooling is delivered  
properly to the racks (top down, in row, or in rack), and cable  
management is available above the rack (ladder, trough, or rack-top  
like APC offers)




Re: Data centre info

2009-05-07 Thread JC Dill

Shawn Hammer wrote:
Not having raised floor doesn't matter so long as cooling is delivered 
properly to the racks (top down, in row, or in rack),


Why do you believe that it is proper to deliver the cooling top down?  
Heat rises!  The cool air needs to be delivered to the bottom (raised 
floor) or front (alternate row cooling) so that it flows over/thru the 
computers on its way to the hot air intakes which should be located 
above the back of the cabinet (above the hot row) or top of the room 
(for raised floors).


Disadvantages of no raised floor:  IMHO the cooling is not as 
efficiently delivered or managed.  Since electrical costs (and by 
extension, cooling costs) is one of the biggest costs for data centers, 
this cost is a large part of what you pay.  If they aren't being 
efficient in the design, their costs are higher, and you end up paying 
higher fees.  Yes, the build-out costs are higher, but it's the ongoing 
hosting costs that go ever higher year after year that will rack up your 
bill.


Advantages of no raised floor:  Someone can't sneak (a person or data 
line) into your cabinet or cage thru the floor.  Racks are more stable 
in the event of an earthquake.  Overhead cabling is easier to follow, 
maintain, repair.


jc




Re: Data centre info

2009-05-07 Thread Ingo Flaschberger

Dear Deric,


Any suggestion about data center

1/ to put on the switch in rack?


Top


eg: top. middle or bottom position

2/ There is no raise floor
- adv


hot/cool corridor solution (air-condition standing between racks, apc has 
solutions)

easy cabling


- disadv


you can not hide cables

kind regards,
Ingo Flaschberger




Re: Data centre info

2009-05-07 Thread Seth Mattinen
Ingo Flaschberger wrote:
 - disadv
 
 you can not hide cables
 

I think well-dressed visible overhead cable arrangements look kind of
cool. I'd rather see nice cables than a hidden rat's nest.

~Seth



Re: Data centre info

2009-05-07 Thread Paul Wall
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:53 PM, JC Dill jcdill.li...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've never been happy with the room temps or equipment temps in any data
 center that used this blow cold air from the ceiling approach.  But hey,
 if it works for your equipment, more power to you.  I encourage all my
 competitors to do this.

All joking and invoking Randy aside, are you really providing
datacenter HVAC advice to other promising young equine photographers?
Care to enlighten us with some of their top concerns in data center
design?  I always suspected there was some sort of unspoken back-story
behind  Equinix's big red silo.

Drive Slow,
Paul Wall