Re: FIB Sizing

2015-07-26 Thread Randy Bush
http://route-aggregation.net/


Re: FIB Sizing

2015-07-25 Thread Pablo Lucena


  When will router vendors learn to do even simple aggregation before
 loading
  routes into FIB? It appears that most hardware will have plenty of FIB
  space if this was done. Also that aggregated routes are increasing at a
  slower pace.

 Howdy,

 You can get a good reduction with FIB aggregation, but only upwards of
 50% or so, and that only with the some pretty costly algorithms. Also,
 you tend to get better gains at the cheaper edge nodes rather than the
 more expensive core nodes. For now it's more cost effective to leave
 the code alone and just double the size of the TCAM.

 Regards,
 Bill Herrin


​There are also features such as Selective RIB Download (or its equivalent
in other vendors) which help out in different portions of the network.​
Definitely not applicable to all router types though.


Re: FIB Sizing

2015-07-25 Thread William Herrin
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 7:28 AM, Baldur Norddahl
baldur.nordd...@gmail.com wrote:
 When will router vendors learn to do even simple aggregation before loading
 routes into FIB? It appears that most hardware will have plenty of FIB
 space if this was done. Also that aggregated routes are increasing at a
 slower pace.

Howdy,

You can get a good reduction with FIB aggregation, but only upwards of
50% or so, and that only with the some pretty costly algorithms. Also,
you tend to get better gains at the cheaper edge nodes rather than the
more expensive core nodes. For now it's more cost effective to leave
the code alone and just double the size of the TCAM.

Regards,
Bill Herrin


-- 
William Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us
Owner, Dirtside Systems . Web: http://www.dirtside.com/


Re: FIB Sizing

2015-07-25 Thread Baldur Norddahl
On 22 July 2015 at 06:51, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:

 The IPv4 BGP table has been growing by 10% to 15% per year since CIDR.
 It appears to be a compounding curve, not linear.

 IPv4 exhaustion is a new factor which may or may not impact the next
 24 months' projection. There are arguments favoring a slower rate (no
 more free pool). There are arguments favoring a faster rate
 (fragmentation from address sales). No one has a crystal ball good
 enough to know for sure -- the situation is literally unprecedented.


When will router vendors learn to do even simple aggregation before loading
routes into FIB? It appears that most hardware will have plenty of FIB
space if this was done. Also that aggregated routes are increasing at a
slower pace.

Regards,

Baldur


Re: FIB Sizing

2015-07-21 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Graham Johnston
johnst...@westmancom.com wrote:
 Does anybody have a working projection, or crystal ball, that can provide a 
 recommendation on FIB size requirements for the next 24 months?  Are we 
 expecting the IPv4 table to continue to grow at somewhere around 50k routes a 
 year? I came up with this from eyeballing the graph at 
 http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/plota?file=%2fvar%2fdata%2fbgp%2fas2.0%2fbgp-active.txtdescr=Active%20BGP%20entries%20%28FIB%29ylabel=Active%20BGP%20entries%20%28FIB%29with=step.

Hi Graham,

The IPv4 BGP table has been growing by 10% to 15% per year since CIDR.
It appears to be a compounding curve, not linear.

IPv4 exhaustion is a new factor which may or may not impact the next
24 months' projection. There are arguments favoring a slower rate (no
more free pool). There are arguments favoring a faster rate
(fragmentation from address sales). No one has a crystal ball good
enough to know for sure -- the situation is literally unprecedented.

Regards,
Bill Herrin

-- 
William Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us
Owner, Dirtside Systems . Web: http://www.dirtside.com/


FIB Sizing

2015-07-21 Thread Graham Johnston
Does anybody have a working projection, or crystal ball, that can provide a 
recommendation on FIB size requirements for the next 24 months?  Are we 
expecting the IPv4 table to continue to grow at somewhere around 50k routes a 
year? I came up with this from eyeballing the graph at 
http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/plota?file=%2fvar%2fdata%2fbgp%2fas2.0%2fbgp-active.txtdescr=Active%20BGP%20entries%20%28FIB%29ylabel=Active%20BGP%20entries%20%28FIB%29with=step.

Thanks,
Graham Johnston
Network Planner
Westman Communications Group
204.717.2829
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