Re: For those who may use a projector in the NOC

2013-01-18 Thread Michael Painter
- Original Message - 
  From: Eric Adler 
  To: Michael Painter 
  Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
  Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 4:19 PM
  Subject: Re: For those who may use a projector in the NOC


  This appears to be an Epson / 3LCD marketing campaign.  

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  - Eric Adler
  Broadcast Engineer

Hi Eric

In case you didn't see it at the avs forum:

Obviously brightness is only one metric, but a useful one if there is any 
ambient light or if you're going after a large screen.

You might recognize my name.it's the one on the four page document highlighted 
above and available at www.colorlightoutput.com I'm a product manager for 3LCD.

I'm a little surprised by the comments suggesting we were trying to hide the 
identity of 3LCD behind the site. Clearly the site doesn't scream3LCD.it wasn't 
supposed to. The Hero of the site is Color Light Output. The purpose is to 
provide information about this new measurement methodology.not present the 
technical details of 3LCD. I thought the 'feedback' page fairly well spells out 
who was behind it. That said, I will take these comments and make adjustment so 
that's it's clearer who is supporting the site.

Regarding the projectors selected for testing in table 2 of the document. It is 
true that all of these projectors are single chip models with color wheels. Why 
is that? As Scott points out above, an RGB 3-path projector will always have 
equal parts of WLO and CLO. I know already how an NEC LCD projectors is going 
to perform. Only single chip projectors were tested in order to better 
understand how each Color Wheel design impacted CLO. I do admit that the list 
is heavily leaning towards the biz/ed side of the projection market.that's due 
to the makeup of sales volumes; only about 10% of projectors are sold into home 
theater.

I hope, regardless of the company on my business card, that you'll agree with 
me that providing the customer this additional data is a good thing. My aim 
here is to get all manufacturers to list CLO as a supported metric.





For those who may use a projector in the NOC

2013-01-17 Thread Michael Painter

http://www.colorlightoutput.com/



Re: For those who may use a projector in the NOC

2013-01-17 Thread Eric Adler
This appears to be an Epson / 3LCD marketing campaign.

whois shows an admin contact at wintergroup.net.  wintergroup.net (on http)
is the home to a marketing agency, their client links below include Epson
and 3LCD; clicking 3LCD brings up a still image showing this page.
Searching for 3LCD finds this Epson page: 
http://global.epson.com/innovation/projection_technology/3LCD_technology/.
http://3lcd.com/ has a very familiar 'feel' as well... and has an admin
contact at Seiko Epson Corporation


I won't get into display theory on this list (feel free to contact me if
you want to discuss such)

- Eric Adler
Broadcast Engineer


Re: For those who may use a projector in the NOC

2013-01-17 Thread Mike Jones
On 18 January 2013 02:19, Eric Adler eapt...@gmail.com wrote:
 This appears to be an Epson / 3LCD marketing campaign.

 whois shows an admin contact at wintergroup.net.  wintergroup.net (on http)
 is the home to a marketing agency, their client links below include Epson
 and 3LCD; clicking 3LCD brings up a still image showing this page.
 Searching for 3LCD finds this Epson page: 
 http://global.epson.com/innovation/projection_technology/3LCD_technology/.
 http://3lcd.com/ has a very familiar 'feel' as well... and has an admin
 contact at Seiko Epson Corporation


 I won't get into display theory on this list (feel free to contact me if
 you want to discuss such)

 - Eric Adler
 Broadcast Engineer

The only thing I can think relevant regarding projector/monitors in a
NOC situation would be general eye strain issues, which should be
taken in to account in the same way as keyboard/chair positioning etc
by whoever is responsible for health and safety. Anything beyond eye
strain is probably just getting in to colour reproduction discussions
which are largely irrelivant in a NOC.

I for example have all my monitors set to a lower colour temperature
and dimmed as much as feasable, colour reproduction is terrible but
great for avoiding eye strain. I switch back to reasonably normal
settings for watching videos and films etc, but during normal NOC
operation I doubt the colour accuracy needs to be able to distinguish
more than than green/yellow/red (with maybe some shades between).

- Mike



Re: For those who may use a projector in the NOC

2013-01-17 Thread Michael Painter
- Original Message - 
  From: Eric Adler 
  To: Michael Painter 
  Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
  Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 4:19 PM
  Subject: Re: For those who may use a projector in the NOC


  This appears to be an Epson / 3LCD marketing campaign.  

  whois shows an admin contact at wintergroup.net.  wintergroup.net (on http) 
is the home to a marketing agency, their client links below include Epson and 
3LCD; clicking 3LCD brings up a still image showing this page.  Searching for 
3LCD finds this Epson page: 
http://global.epson.com/innovation/projection_technology/3LCD_technology/. 
http://3lcd.com/ has a very familiar 'feel' as well... and has an admin 
contact at Seiko Epson Corporation


  I won't get into display theory on this list (feel free to contact me if you 
want to discuss such)

  - Eric Adler
  Broadcast Engineer

Yes, I was taken in by the adoption of CLO by the Society for Information 
Display http://www.sid.org/About.aspx 
It's so easy to drop thousands into a projector based on the specs. and end up 
with a shitty picture, so I think the CLO spec will help,
Whole thing is being debated here: 
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1451895/epson-color-light-output-demo-at-ces-2013 
--Michael