Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?
On 14/04/2011, at 10:47 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 14 apr 2011, at 13:50, Tore Anderson wrote: This is address space that's now marked as delegated and removed from the pile of unused address space for no obvious reason. I believe they are using those prefixes for research. and the delegated-extended file, it appears that these prefixes do count as assigned space like any other assignment. I would assume that when the research project is over, they will be returned to the free pool and assigned under the last /8 policy That is extremely curious. How can they justify taking 4 million addresses for research two days before running out of regularly allocatable address space? They could have taken that /10 out of the final /8 rather than taking it from the last scraps of regular space if they really need a /10 for research, which is already dubious in and of itself. Of course they didn't bother to respond to my request for information about all of this. The addresses were in flight to the recipient and got caught up in a set of scripted processes that inappropriately assigned them into the debogon project for a couple of days while some related administrative processes were underway. Our apologies for the temporary confusion -- and we promise do better next time! :-) And yes, APNIC is indeed down to the last /8 - http://www.apnic.net/publications/news/2011/final-8 contains the announcement Also, our apologies for not getting back to Iljitsch's request for information sooner - we have been somewhat busy in the last few days! thanks, Geoff
Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?
On 15 apr 2011, at 12:21, Geoff Huston wrote: The addresses were in flight to the recipient and got caught up in a set of scripted processes that inappropriately assigned them into the debogon project for a couple of days while some related administrative processes were underway. Our apologies for the temporary confusion -- and we promise do better next time! :-) Thanks for the clarification. But I hope you're not planning on running out of IPv6 anytime soon... Or maybe you're getting at 16-bit AS numbers? And yes, APNIC is indeed down to the last /8 Hm, I still see 2.27 million legacy addresses as free, mostly 43.224.0.0/11 except 43.244 and 43.253, as well as 0.34 million non-legacy. Why don't these count and/or what will happen to them? Iljitsch
How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?
Only 0.3 of a /8 left[1] before the rationing policy kicks in. I hope everyone is ready :-) [1] http://www.apnic.net/community/ipv4-exhaustion/graphical-information -- Graham Beneke
Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?
* Graham Beneke Only 0.3 of a /8 left[1] before the rationing policy kicks in. Hi, Actually, they're already empty. Chinanet Fujian Province Network allocated 498432 addresses today, spread out over 1102(!) individual prefixes in the range /21-/24. Unless any resources has been returned to the free pool today, there's nothing left in the APNIC pool outside of the 103/8 block, which is the one set aside for the final /8 policy. Best regards, -- Tore Anderson Redpill Linpro AS - http://www.redpill-linpro.com Tel: +47 21 54 41 27
Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?
On 14 apr 2011, at 8:33, Tore Anderson wrote: Actually, they're already empty. Chinanet Fujian Province Network allocated 498432 addresses today, spread out over 1102(!) individual prefixes in the range /21-/24. Where do you see this? On ftp.apnic.net I see delegated-apnic-20110414 which only contains info upto the 13th and has a timestamp of Apr 13 15:15. Based on that file, APNIC still has 17.57 million regular + 2.27 M legacy = 19.84 M total address space, so another 0.5 M wouldn't deplete what's left. I also don't get what they did two days ago: inetnum:39.192.0.0 - 39.255.255.255 netname:Debogon-prefix descr: APNIC Debogon Project This is address space that's now marked as delegated and removed from the pile of unused address space for no obvious reason.
Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?
* Iljitsch van Beijnum On 14 apr 2011, at 8:33, Tore Anderson wrote: Actually, they're already empty. Chinanet Fujian Province Network allocated 498432 addresses today, spread out over 1102(!) individual prefixes in the range /21-/24. Where do you see this? On ftp.apnic.net I see delegated-apnic-20110414 which only contains info upto the 13th and has a timestamp of Apr 13 15:15. Based on that file, APNIC still has 17.57 million regular + 2.27 M legacy = 19.84 M total address space, so another 0.5 M wouldn't deplete what's left. Hi, APNIC has for some time now made available an extended version of the delegated file that explicitly says which blocks are available: ftp://ftp.apnic.net/apnic/stats/apnic/delegated-apnic-extended-latest Disregarding 103/8, there were 1104 remaining available prefixes before APNIC's offices opened today. Now they're closed, and by looking in whois.apnic.net I can tell that every single one of the prefixes that were marked in the delegated-extended file as available is now allocated - 1102 of them to Chinanet Fujian Province Network, and two (106.0.32.0/19 and 116.90.0.0/18) to the APNIC Debogon Project. So unless some new blocks (for example returned space) has made it into the free pool today, they are down to their last /8. Actually, they're a bit under one /8, as there's been some assignments made to the Debogon Project in 103/8 already. I also don't get what they did two days ago: inetnum:39.192.0.0 - 39.255.255.255 netname:Debogon-prefix descr: APNIC Debogon Project This is address space that's now marked as delegated and removed from the pile of unused address space for no obvious reason. I believe they are using those prefixes for research. According to the APNIC whois database, 53 individual assignments have been made to the Debogon Project (including the three we've mentioned). In any case, when looking at the graph at http://www.apnic.net/community/ipv4-exhaustion/graphical-information and the delegated-extended file, it appears that these prefixes do count as assigned space like any other assignment. I would assume that when the research project is over, they will be returned to the free pool and assigned under the last /8 policy just like any other space that enters the pool after the last /8 policy has been implemented. Best regards, -- Tore Anderson Redpill Linpro AS - http://www.redpill-linpro.com/ Tel: +47 21 54 41 27
Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?
On 14 apr 2011, at 13:50, Tore Anderson wrote: This is address space that's now marked as delegated and removed from the pile of unused address space for no obvious reason. I believe they are using those prefixes for research. and the delegated-extended file, it appears that these prefixes do count as assigned space like any other assignment. I would assume that when the research project is over, they will be returned to the free pool and assigned under the last /8 policy That is extremely curious. How can they justify taking 4 million addresses for research two days before running out of regularly allocatable address space? They could have taken that /10 out of the final /8 rather than taking it from the last scraps of regular space if they really need a /10 for research, which is already dubious in and of itself. Of course they didn't bother to respond to my request for information about all of this.
Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?
That is extremely curious. How can they justify taking 4 million addresses for research two days before running out of regularly allocatable address space? They could have taken that /10 out of the final /8 rather than taking it from the last scraps of regular space if they really need a /10 for research, which is already dubious in and of itself. Debogon usually means they will establish beacons to detect networks that will incorrectly filter that block, and is an indication that such block will soon start being distributed to LIRs. Rubens
Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?
On Apr 14, 2011, at 5:47 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 14 apr 2011, at 13:50, Tore Anderson wrote: This is address space that's now marked as delegated and removed from the pile of unused address space for no obvious reason. I believe they are using those prefixes for research. and the delegated-extended file, it appears that these prefixes do count as assigned space like any other assignment. I would assume that when the research project is over, they will be returned to the free pool and assigned under the last /8 policy That is extremely curious. How can they justify taking 4 million addresses for research two days before running out of regularly allocatable address space? They could have taken that /10 out of the final /8 rather than taking it from the last scraps of regular space if they really need a /10 for research, which is already dubious in and of itself. Of course they didn't bother to respond to my request for information about all of this. I believe that rather than research, those are prefixes which are particularly dirty and they have allocated them to the project to try and get them cleaned up so that they can be subsequently issued. Owen
Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?
On 14 apr 2011, at 13:02, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: Based on that file, APNIC still has 17.57 million regular + 2.27 M legacy = 19.84 M total address space, so another 0.5 M wouldn't deplete what's left. I just got the 15 apr file which has the info for 14 apr (sigh...) and indeed 1100 blocks adding up to 0.52 million addresses were given out today. And that still leaves 2.27 million legacy addresses available, including all of 43.224.0.0/11 except 43.244 and 43.253, as well as 0.34 million non-legacy, non-103/8 addresses. 103/8 is apparently going to be the special final /8. It's still wide open except a /16, a /22 and a /24 that are registered to the debogon project (as of a week and a half ago).
Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?
Recently, Microsoft Australia has been refused a temp allocation (like they had every year) for one of their conferences. On 4/15/11 9:01 , Iljitsch van Beijnum iljit...@muada.com wrote: On 14 apr 2011, at 13:02, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: Based on that file, APNIC still has 17.57 million regular + 2.27 M legacy = 19.84 M total address space, so another 0.5 M wouldn't deplete what's left. I just got the 15 apr file which has the info for 14 apr (sigh...) and indeed 1100 blocks adding up to 0.52 million addresses were given out today. And that still leaves 2.27 million legacy addresses available, including all of 43.224.0.0/11 except 43.244 and 43.253, as well as 0.34 million non-legacy, non-103/8 addresses. 103/8 is apparently going to be the special final /8. It's still wide open except a /16, a /22 and a /24 that are registered to the debogon project (as of a week and a half ago).
Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?
All… as of early this morning, APNIC is empty. Last /8 Policy is now in effect. ...Skeeve -- Skeeve Stevens, CEO - eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists ske...@eintellego.net ; www.eintellego.net Phone: 1300 753 383 ; Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve facebook.com/eintellego or eintell...@facebook.com twitter.com/networkceoau ; www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve PO Box 7726, Baulkham Hills, NSW 1755 Australia -- eintellego - The Experts that the Experts call - Juniper - HP Networking - Cisco - Brocade - Arista - Allied Telesis On 15/04/11 7:01 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum iljit...@muada.commailto:iljit...@muada.com wrote: On 14 apr 2011, at 13:02, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: Based on that file, APNIC still has 17.57 million regular + 2.27 M legacy = 19.84 M total address space, so another 0.5 M wouldn't deplete what's left. I just got the 15 apr file which has the info for 14 apr (sigh...) and indeed 1100 blocks adding up to 0.52 million addresses were given out today. And that still leaves 2.27 million legacy addresses available, including all of 43.224.0.0/11 except 43.244 and 43.253, as well as 0.34 million non-legacy, non-103/8 addresses. 103/8 is apparently going to be the special final /8. It's still wide open except a /16, a /22 and a /24 that are registered to the debogon project (as of a week and a half ago).
Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?
On 15 apr 2011, at 0:04, Skeeve Stevens wrote: All… as of early this morning, APNIC is empty. Why do you say that? Do you have information that contradicts my numbers?
Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?
Just an email from APNIC 3 hours ago to all regional mailing lists. Kinda authoritative I would say. --- On 15/04/11 6:25 AM, APNIC Secretariat apnic-no-re...@apnic.netmailto:apnic-no-re...@apnic.net wrote: ___ APNIC IPv4 Address Pool Reaches Final /8 ___ Dear APNIC community We are writing to inform you that as of Friday, 15 April 2011, the APNIC pool reached the Final /8 IPv4 address block, bringing us to Stage Three of IPv4 exhaustion in the Asia Pacific. For more information about Stage Three, please refer to: http://www.apnic.net/ipv4-exhaustion/stages Last /8 address policy -- IPv4 requests will now be assessed under section 9.10 in Policies for IPv4 address space management in the Asia Pacific region: http://www.apnic.net/policy/add-manage-policy#9.10 APNIC's objective during Stage Three is to provide IPv4 address space for new entrants to the market and for those deploying IPv6. http://www.apnic.net/ipv4-stage3-faq From now, all new and existing APNIC account holders will be entitled to receive a maximum allocation of a /22 from the Final /8 address space. For more details on the eligibility criteria according to the Final /8 policy, please refer to: http://www.apnic.net/criteria Act NOW on IPv6 --- We encourage Asia Pacific Internet community members to deploy IPv6 within their organizations. You can refer to APNIC for information regarding IPv6 deployment, statistics, training, and related regional policies at: http://www.apnic.net/ipv6 To apply for IPv6 addresses now, please visit: http://www.apnic.net/kickstart ___ APNIC Secretariat secretar...@apnic.netmailto:secretar...@apnic.net Asia Pacific NetworkInformation Centre (APNIC) Tel: +61 7 3858 3100 PO Box 3646 South Brisbane, QLD 4101 AustraliaFax: +61 7 3858 3199 6 Cordelia Street, South Brisbane, QLD http://www.apnic.nethttp://www.apnic.net/ ___ * Sent by email to save paper. Print only if necessary. --- ...Skeeve -- Skeeve Stevens, CEO - eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists ske...@eintellego.net ; www.eintellego.net Phone: 1300 753 383 ; Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve facebook.com/eintellego or eintell...@facebook.com twitter.com/networkceoau ; www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve PO Box 7726, Baulkham Hills, NSW 1755 Australia -- eintellego - The Experts that the Experts call - Juniper - HP Networking - Cisco - Brocade - Arista - Allied Telesis On 15/04/11 8:09 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum iljit...@muada.commailto:iljit...@muada.com wrote: On 15 apr 2011, at 0:04, Skeeve Stevens wrote: All… as of early this morning, APNIC is empty. Why do you say that? Do you have information that contradicts my numbers?
