Re: ISP License in the USA?

[Eric Flanery (eric)]

These are the two I'm most familiar with:

Lerman Senter, as Faisal mentioned: http://www.lermansenter.com/

Rini O'Neil: http://rinioneil.com/

--Eric

Re: ISP License in the USA?

[Chris Boyd]

> On Jun 5, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Ryan Finnesey  wrote:
> 
> Would you mind sharing some of the telecommunications focused law firms?  I 
> am about to start a company that is going back into the CLEC/ISP/VoIP 
> Business and I am going to have to establish relationships with a few law 
> firms.

I highly recommend McCollough Henry, PC in Austin, Texas.

http://www.mccolloughhenry.com

1250 South Capital of Texas Highway
Building 3, Suite 400
Austin, Texas 78746

(512) 782-2086

—Chris

Re: ISP License in the USA?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

http://www.commlawgroup.com/#hashslider1

or
Kris Tomey 's Info:-


> Law Office
> 1725 I Street, NW, Suite 300
> Washington, DC 20006
>
> Phone: 202.250.3413
> Fax: 202.517.9175
> k...@lokt.net
>
> LoKT Consulting
> 1425 Leimert Blvd., Suite 404 
> Oakland, CA  94602 
>
> Phone: 510.285.8010
> Fax: 510.868.8418
> k...@lokt.net
>
or

Stephen E. Coran
Lerman Senter, PLLC
2000 K Street, N.W., Suite 600
Washington, D.C. 20006-1809
(202) 416-6744 - office
(202) 669-3288 -mobile
sco...@lermansenter.com


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Ryan Finnesey" <r...@finnesey.com>
> To: "Eric Flanery (eric)" <e...@flanery.us>
> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 12:31:56 PM
> Subject: RE: ISP License in the USA?

> Would you mind sharing some of the telecommunications focused law firms?  I am
> about to start a company that is going back into the CLEC/ISP/VoIP Business 
> and
> I am going to have to establish relationships with a few law firms.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Eric Flanery (eric)
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:55 PM
> Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: ISP License in the USA?
> 
> There is no such thing as an 'ISP license' in the US. I have a hard time
> imagining Texas of all places would have such a requirement.
> 
> Depending on what exactly you are doing, there are various and highly varied
> requirements, such as acquiring a SPIN number for E-Rate, filing FCC
> 477 if you do broadband, FCC 499 if you do VoIP (CLEC and ETC also apply 
> there),
> a FRN if you do pretty much anything FCC-related, various sorts of licenses 
> for
> most radio/microwave systems (excepting part 15 stuff), CALEA, open internet,
> etc...
> 
> COALS _could_ apply _if_ you are running a cable TV system that also delivers
> data services, but it isn't an 'ISP thing'.
> 
> More to the point...
> 
> I wouldn't take US legal advice from any consultant not familiar with US law, 
> or
> really any non-lawyer consultant at all. I wouldn't take it from NANOG either;
> while it's a tremendous technical resource, it is not your attorney.
> 
> There are a number of telecommunications focused law firms out there, with
> knowledgeable lawyers. It would be a good idea to establish a relationship 
> with
> one, if you intend to enter the increasingly complex legal minefield of being
> an ISP.
> 
> --Eric
> 
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Dan White <dwh...@olp.net> wrote:
> 
>> Not familiar with the process, but look at E-rate if you want to
>> provide service to schools, libraries and health providers.
>>
>>
>> On 05/31/16 13:14 -0500, Lorell Hathcock wrote:
>>
>>> NANOG:
>>>
>>> Our owner has hired a consultant who insists that we should have an
>>> ISP license to operate in the United States.  (Like they have in
>>> other countries like Germany and in Africa where he has extensive
>>> personal experience.)
>>>
>>> I am asking him to tell me which license we should have because I
>>> don't know of a license that we are required to have to route IP
>>> traffic to end customers.
>>>
>>> I am familiar with CLEC status filed with our state.  But it is not a
>>> requirement to pass traffic.
>>>
>>> He is suggesting COALS with which I am completely unfamiliar.
>>>
>>> Can anyone tell me if there is a Texas state and/or USA Federal
>>> license for a small operator to pass IP traffic from the internet to
>>> end users (commercial and/or residential).
>>>
>>> I am aware that there are some CALEA requirements of ISPs that seem
>>> to kick in once a CALEA request is made, but is that different from a
>>> license.
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Dan White
>> BTC Broadband

Re: ISP License in the USA?

[Miles Fidelman]

A couple of places to start:

Baller Stokes & Lide, P.C. (www.baller.com)

http://www.bbklaw.com (which absorbed Miller & Van Eaton a few years back)

They both have practices that focus on telecom from a municipal point of 
view (municipal broadband, right-of-way issues, cable franchises, and 
such) - which is how I know them - but may be able to help or point you 
in the right direction.


Miles Fidelman


On 6/5/16 12:31 PM, Ryan Finnesey wrote:

Would you mind sharing some of the telecommunications focused law firms?  I am 
about to start a company that is going back into the CLEC/ISP/VoIP Business and 
I am going to have to establish relationships with a few law firms.

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Eric Flanery (eric)
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:55 PM
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: ISP License in the USA?

There is no such thing as an 'ISP license' in the US. I have a hard time 
imagining Texas of all places would have such a requirement.

Depending on what exactly you are doing, there are various and highly varied 
requirements, such as acquiring a SPIN number for E-Rate, filing FCC
477 if you do broadband, FCC 499 if you do VoIP (CLEC and ETC also apply 
there), a FRN if you do pretty much anything FCC-related, various sorts of 
licenses for most radio/microwave systems (excepting part 15 stuff), CALEA, 
open internet, etc...

COALS _could_ apply _if_ you are running a cable TV system that also delivers 
data services, but it isn't an 'ISP thing'.

More to the point...

I wouldn't take US legal advice from any consultant not familiar with US law, 
or really any non-lawyer consultant at all. I wouldn't take it from NANOG 
either; while it's a tremendous technical resource, it is not your attorney.

There are a number of telecommunications focused law firms out there, with 
knowledgeable lawyers. It would be a good idea to establish a relationship with 
one, if you intend to enter the increasingly complex legal minefield of being 
an ISP.

--Eric

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Dan White <dwh...@olp.net> wrote:


Not familiar with the process, but look at E-rate if you want to
provide service to schools, libraries and health providers.


On 05/31/16 13:14 -0500, Lorell Hathcock wrote:


NANOG:

Our owner has hired a consultant who insists that we should have an
ISP license to operate in the United States.  (Like they have in
other countries like Germany and in Africa where he has extensive
personal experience.)

I am asking him to tell me which license we should have because I
don't know of a license that we are required to have to route IP
traffic to end customers.

I am familiar with CLEC status filed with our state.  But it is not a
requirement to pass traffic.

He is suggesting COALS with which I am completely unfamiliar.

Can anyone tell me if there is a Texas state and/or USA Federal
license for a small operator to pass IP traffic from the internet to
end users (commercial and/or residential).

I am aware that there are some CALEA requirements of ISPs that seem
to kick in once a CALEA request is made, but is that different from a
license.


--
Dan White
BTC Broadband



--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   Yogi Berra

RE: ISP License in the USA?

[Ryan Finnesey]

Would you mind sharing some of the telecommunications focused law firms?  I am 
about to start a company that is going back into the CLEC/ISP/VoIP Business and 
I am going to have to establish relationships with a few law firms.

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Eric Flanery (eric)
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:55 PM
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: ISP License in the USA?

There is no such thing as an 'ISP license' in the US. I have a hard time 
imagining Texas of all places would have such a requirement.

Depending on what exactly you are doing, there are various and highly varied 
requirements, such as acquiring a SPIN number for E-Rate, filing FCC
477 if you do broadband, FCC 499 if you do VoIP (CLEC and ETC also apply 
there), a FRN if you do pretty much anything FCC-related, various sorts of 
licenses for most radio/microwave systems (excepting part 15 stuff), CALEA, 
open internet, etc...

COALS _could_ apply _if_ you are running a cable TV system that also delivers 
data services, but it isn't an 'ISP thing'.

More to the point...

I wouldn't take US legal advice from any consultant not familiar with US law, 
or really any non-lawyer consultant at all. I wouldn't take it from NANOG 
either; while it's a tremendous technical resource, it is not your attorney.

There are a number of telecommunications focused law firms out there, with 
knowledgeable lawyers. It would be a good idea to establish a relationship with 
one, if you intend to enter the increasingly complex legal minefield of being 
an ISP.

--Eric

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Dan White <dwh...@olp.net> wrote:

> Not familiar with the process, but look at E-rate if you want to 
> provide service to schools, libraries and health providers.
>
>
> On 05/31/16 13:14 -0500, Lorell Hathcock wrote:
>
>> NANOG:
>>
>> Our owner has hired a consultant who insists that we should have an 
>> ISP license to operate in the United States.  (Like they have in 
>> other countries like Germany and in Africa where he has extensive 
>> personal experience.)
>>
>> I am asking him to tell me which license we should have because I 
>> don't know of a license that we are required to have to route IP 
>> traffic to end customers.
>>
>> I am familiar with CLEC status filed with our state.  But it is not a 
>> requirement to pass traffic.
>>
>> He is suggesting COALS with which I am completely unfamiliar.
>>
>> Can anyone tell me if there is a Texas state and/or USA Federal 
>> license for a small operator to pass IP traffic from the internet to 
>> end users (commercial and/or residential).
>>
>> I am aware that there are some CALEA requirements of ISPs that seem 
>> to kick in once a CALEA request is made, but is that different from a 
>> license.
>>
>
> --
> Dan White
> BTC Broadband
>

Re: ISP License in the USA?

[Jon Sands]

He might have meant one of these:

Consultants
Often
Adlib
License
Specifications

Re: ISP License in the USA?

[Owen DeLong]

> On May 31, 2016, at 12:05 , Miles Fidelman  wrote:
> 
> On 5/31/16 2:53 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
> 
>> I would suggest getting a new consultant .. :)
>> 
> What Dennis said.
> 
>> Lol got me!   There is nothing that I know of that you have to "license" to 
>> become a ISP in the US of A. . You do have to fill out Form 477 twice a 
>> year. :)
> 
> But only if you provide:
> - facilities-based broadband services, and/or,
> - provide wired or fixed wireless local exchange telephone service
> - provide interconnected VoIP service
> - provide facilities based wireless telephony
> (see https://transition.fcc.gov/form477/WhoMustFileForm477.pdf)
> 
> If you provide basic dial-up services, or wireless Internet over unlicensed 
> channels - there's no licensing requirement whatever.

This also applies if you are applying over unbundled elements or other leased 
facilities AIUI.

Owen

Re: ISP License in the USA?

[Owen DeLong]

Not necessarily…

If you aren’t a facilities-based carrier:

https://transition.fcc.gov/form477/WhoMustFileForm477.pdf

You don’t need to.

Owen

> On May 31, 2016, at 11:53 , Dennis Burgess <dmburg...@linktechs.net> wrote:
> 
> I would suggest getting a new consultant .. :)  
> 
> Possible Acronyms
> 
> College of Arts and Letters (Missouri State University; Springfield, MO)  
> Cartridge Overall Length (shooting)
> Client Object Access Layer
> Circle of Acro Lovers
> Columbus Ohio Area Local
> Consolidated Operational Activities List
> Customer Order Acceptance List
> Common Operational Activities List (US Navy)  
> Chance of a Lifetime (raffle)
> 
> Lol got me!   There is nothing that I know of that you have to "license" to 
> become a ISP in the US of A. . You do have to fill out Form 477 twice a year. 
> :)  
> 
> 
> www.linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 x103 - dmburg...@linktechs.net 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Lorell Hathcock
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 1:14 PM
> To: 'NANOG list' <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: ISP License in the USA?
> 
> NANOG:
> 
> 
> 
> Our owner has hired a consultant who insists that we should have an ISP 
> license to operate in the United States.  (Like they have in other countries 
> like Germany and in Africa where he has extensive personal experience.)
> 
> 
> 
> I am asking him to tell me which license we should have because I don't know 
> of a license that we are required to have to route IP traffic to end 
> customers.
> 
> 
> 
> I am familiar with CLEC status filed with our state.  But it is not a 
> requirement to pass traffic.
> 
> 
> 
> He is suggesting COALS with which I am completely unfamiliar.
> 
> 
> 
> Can anyone tell me if there is a Texas state and/or USA Federal license for a 
> small operator to pass IP traffic from the internet to end users (commercial 
> and/or residential).
> 
> 
> 
> I am aware that there are some CALEA requirements of ISPs that seem to kick 
> in once a CALEA request is made, but is that different from a license.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Lorell Hathcock
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: ISP License in the USA?

[Jared Mauch]

> On May 31, 2016, at 4:16 PM, William Herrin  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Lorell Hathcock  wrote:
>> Our owner has hired a consultant who insists that we should have an ISP
>> license to operate in the United States.  (Like they have in other countries
>> like Germany and in Africa where he has extensive personal experience.)
> 
> Howdy,
> 
> There is generally no license required to be an ISP.
> 
> If you wish to own physical infrastructure located in the public right
> of ways or use licensed radio frequencies, there are various licensing
> and regulatory requirements.
> 
> We call those "cable companies," "telcos," "LECs," or "CLECs" even if
> they also provide ISP service.
> 
> If you lease your long-haul cabling infrastructure (from folks who are
> licensed) or implement physical infrastructure only on property you
> own or lease, you need not address licensing yourself.

In some cases it’s very simple to do something, in Michigan (for example) you
can run fiber and place items in the right of way by meeting the standards of
a Metro Permit, eg:

http://www.michigan.gov/lcsa/0,5798,7-333-23730-221070--,00.html

For most places, you just need to pay the state or local licensing
fees.  You can generally do this for low cost, setting up a new C-corp
or LLC is $50 to file in my area.  Well worth it if you just want to
establish yourself as a legal entity.  Then you can do business with
that and usual minimal paperwork.  You can pay hundreds to nearly
infinite money to establish your structure(s).

You do need to have some sort of TIN or EIN.  This gets complex and
imposes requirements, consult an accountant, CPA or lawyer as well
in this area.  It shouldn’t be more than $1k to establish the legal entity
unless there are very complex situations involved. 

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/apply-for-an-employer-identification-number-ein-online

Unless you are offering certain regulated services, the bar is quite
low to establish a company and maintain yourself.  I’d say when possible
avoid complex programs, they tend to come with high reporting and auditing
costs.  

- Jared

Re: ISP License in the USA?

[William Herrin]

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Lorell Hathcock  wrote:
> Our owner has hired a consultant who insists that we should have an ISP
> license to operate in the United States.  (Like they have in other countries
> like Germany and in Africa where he has extensive personal experience.)

Howdy,

There is generally no license required to be an ISP.

If you wish to own physical infrastructure located in the public right
of ways or use licensed radio frequencies, there are various licensing
and regulatory requirements.

We call those "cable companies," "telcos," "LECs," or "CLECs" even if
they also provide ISP service.

If you lease your long-haul cabling infrastructure (from folks who are
licensed) or implement physical infrastructure only on property you
own or lease, you need not address licensing yourself.


> He is suggesting COALS with which I am completely unfamiliar.

https://apps.fcc.gov/coals/

That's if you want to be a cable TV operator (plus Internet). Unless
you're planning to run your own coax on the telephone poles, you don't
need that.

Regards,
Bill Herrin


-- 
William Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us
Owner, Dirtside Systems . Web: 

RE: ISP License in the USA?

[Naslund, Steve]

What you have been hearing so far is correct.  You do not need a license to be 
an ISP other than normal business licenses in your municipality/state.  The 
only thing I can think of would be if you were a voice carrier or wanted to 
become a CLEC which would give you better/cheaper access to local 
infrastructure via interconnection agreements (like local loops for DSL and 
duct/conduit access for building out your own fiber network).  I can tell you 
that the CLEC route is pretty expensive and has quite extensive regulatory 
hurdles at both the state and federal level.  If you are a pure data ISP (i.e. 
not originating voice services) running on leased access circuits there is not 
much more you should need to do.  Of course, you could and should ask this same 
question of your state's communications commission if you need a legally sound 
opinion on this.

Steven Naslund
Chicago IL

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Sean Donelan
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 1:55 PM
To: Lorell Hathcock
Cc: 'NANOG list'
Subject: Re: ISP License in the USA?

On Tue, 31 May 2016, Lorell Hathcock wrote:
> Our owner has hired a consultant who insists that we should have an 
> ISP license to operate in the United States.  (Like they have in other 
> countries like Germany and in Africa where he has extensive personal 
> experience.)
>
> I am asking him to tell me which license we should have because I 
> don't know of a license that we are required to have to route IP 
> traffic to end customers.
> I am familiar with CLEC status filed with our state.  But it is not a 
> requirement to pass traffic.
>
> He is suggesting COALS with which I am completely unfamiliar.
>
> Can anyone tell me if there is a Texas state and/or USA Federal 
> license for a small operator to pass IP traffic from the internet to 
> end users (commercial and/or residential).
>
> I am aware that there are some CALEA requirements of ISPs that seem to 
> kick in once a CALEA request is made, but is that different from a license.

As always, you should consult with your company's attorney or legal advisor.

ISP's do not have a seperate license in the USA (besides normal business and 
tax licenses).

COALS refers to cable operators and multichannel video programming distributors.

CLEC refers to competitive local exchange carriers (i.e. telephone and private 
line circuits).

Wireless ISPs may need a FCC radio frequency license for high power or 
exclusive use of radio frequencies.  Low-powered Wi-Fi doesn't need a license.

Generally you need some kind of permission or license to install facilities in 
a public right of way or exclusive use of public airwaves.

ISPs can lease those facilities from licensed operators, and don't need a 
license themselves. In practice, most cable operators and telephone companies 
are also "self-provisioned" ISPs. They have "license" from a state and/or FCC; 
but that's because they are cable or telephone companies installing 
telecommunication facilities in public rights of way, not because they are ISPs.

RE: ISP License in the USA?

[STARNES, CURTIS]

I've got it! Send $25,000 and I will print you a shiny new license to hang on 
the wall!


Curtis Starnes
Senior Network Administrator
Granbury ISD
600 W. Bridge St. Ste. 40
Granbury, Texas  76048
(817) 408-4104
(817) 408-4126 Fax
curtis.star...@granburyisd.org
www.granburyisd.org 
 
 

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-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Bouchard
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:15 PM
To: Dustin Jurman <dus...@rseng.net>
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: ISP License in the USA?

Well, now you're talking tax ID or, rather, a general license to operate a 
commercial enterprise, not a specific license related to ISPs.

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 07:05:29PM +, Dustin Jurman wrote:
> Local Business License.
> 
> Dustin
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Dennis 
> Burgess
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:53 PM
> To: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: RE: ISP License in the USA?
> 
> I would suggest getting a new consultant .. :)
> 
> Possible Acronyms
> 
> College of Arts and Letters (Missouri State University; Springfield, MO)  
> Cartridge Overall Length (shooting)
> Client Object Access Layer
> Circle of Acro Lovers
> Columbus Ohio Area Local
> Consolidated Operational Activities List Customer Order Acceptance List
> Common Operational Activities List (US Navy)  
> Chance of a Lifetime (raffle)
> 
> Lol got me!   There is nothing that I know of that you have to "license" to 
> become a ISP in the US of A. . You do have to fill out Form 477 twice a year. 
> :)  
> 
> 
> www.linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 x103 - dmburg...@linktechs.net
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Lorell 
> Hathcock
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 1:14 PM
> To: 'NANOG list' <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: ISP License in the USA?
> 
> NANOG:
> 
>  
> 
> Our owner has hired a consultant who insists that we should have an 
> ISP license to operate in the United States.  (Like they have in other 
> countries like Germany and in Africa where he has extensive personal 
> experience.)
> 
>  
> 
> I am asking him to tell me which license we should have because I don't know 
> of a license that we are required to have to route IP traffic to end 
> customers.
> 
>  
> 
> I am familiar with CLEC status filed with our state.  But it is not a 
> requirement to pass traffic.
> 
>  
> 
> He is suggesting COALS with which I am completely unfamiliar.
> 
>  
> 
> Can anyone tell me if there is a Texas state and/or USA Federal license for a 
> small operator to pass IP traffic from the internet to end users (commercial 
> and/or residential).
> 
>  
> 
> I am aware that there are some CALEA requirements of ISPs that seem to kick 
> in once a CALEA request is made, but is that different from a license.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>  
> 
> Lorell Hathcock
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 

---
Wayne Bouchard
w...@typo.org
Network Dude
http://www.typo.org/~web/

Re: ISP License in the USA?

[Wayne Bouchard]

Well, now you're talking tax ID or, rather, a general license to
operate a commercial enterprise, not a specific license related to
ISPs.

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 07:05:29PM +, Dustin Jurman wrote:
> Local Business License.
> 
> Dustin
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:53 PM
> To: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: RE: ISP License in the USA?
> 
> I would suggest getting a new consultant .. :)  
> 
> Possible Acronyms
> 
> College of Arts and Letters (Missouri State University; Springfield, MO)  
> Cartridge Overall Length (shooting)
> Client Object Access Layer
> Circle of Acro Lovers
> Columbus Ohio Area Local
> Consolidated Operational Activities List Customer Order Acceptance List
> Common Operational Activities List (US Navy)  
> Chance of a Lifetime (raffle)
> 
> Lol got me!   There is nothing that I know of that you have to "license" to 
> become a ISP in the US of A. . You do have to fill out Form 477 twice a year. 
> :)  
> 
> 
> www.linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 x103 - dmburg...@linktechs.net 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Lorell Hathcock
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 1:14 PM
> To: 'NANOG list' <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: ISP License in the USA?
> 
> NANOG:
> 
>  
> 
> Our owner has hired a consultant who insists that we should have an ISP 
> license to operate in the United States.  (Like they have in other countries 
> like Germany and in Africa where he has extensive personal experience.)
> 
>  
> 
> I am asking him to tell me which license we should have because I don't know 
> of a license that we are required to have to route IP traffic to end 
> customers.
> 
>  
> 
> I am familiar with CLEC status filed with our state.  But it is not a 
> requirement to pass traffic.
> 
>  
> 
> He is suggesting COALS with which I am completely unfamiliar.
> 
>  
> 
> Can anyone tell me if there is a Texas state and/or USA Federal license for a 
> small operator to pass IP traffic from the internet to end users (commercial 
> and/or residential).
> 
>  
> 
> I am aware that there are some CALEA requirements of ISPs that seem to kick 
> in once a CALEA request is made, but is that different from a license.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>  
> 
> Lorell Hathcock
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 

---
Wayne Bouchard
w...@typo.org
Network Dude
http://www.typo.org/~web/

RE: ISP License in the USA?

[STARNES, CURTIS]

Maybe the consultant is confusing "licensing" with IP address allocations from 
ARIN.


Curtis Starnes
Senior Network Administrator
Granbury ISD
600 W. Bridge St. Ste. 40
Granbury, Texas  76048
(817) 408-4104
(817) 408-4126 Fax
curtis.star...@granburyisd.org
www.granburyisd.org 
 
 

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-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Miles Fidelman
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:06 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: ISP License in the USA?

On 5/31/16 2:53 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

> I would suggest getting a new consultant .. :)
>
What Dennis said.

> Lol got me!   There is nothing that I know of that you have to "license" to 
> become a ISP in the US of A. . You do have to fill out Form 477 twice a year. 
> :)

But only if you provide:
- facilities-based broadband services, and/or,
- provide wired or fixed wireless local exchange telephone service
- provide interconnected VoIP service
- provide facilities based wireless telephony (see 
https://transition.fcc.gov/form477/WhoMustFileForm477.pdf)

If you provide basic dial-up services, or wireless Internet over unlicensed 
channels - there's no licensing requirement whatever.

As Dennis said - first get a new consultant.  Look for one who can work through 
your service model - what you're going to be selling, to whom, using what 
technology(ies) - and work from there to whatever licenses (if any) that you 
require.

Miles Fidelman

--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   Yogi Berra

Re: ISP License in the USA?

[Wayne Bouchard]

+1

Do not confuse a desire from some party you wish to do business
saying, "Our own consultants have said that we shouldn't do business
with anyone not compliant with these standards," as a requirement for
licensure. Bureaucrats simply like certificates and that's all this
really boils down to, a way for consultants and/or politicians to
meddle in both ends of what has previously been a pretty open process,
creating a solution in search of a problem and adding complexity where
it's generally not needed.

In fine, the only thing you need in the US to be an ISP is a network.
The rest is mostly all about trying to get customers from one section
or another of business or of the general public.

-Wayne

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 11:54:38AM -0700, Eric Flanery (eric) wrote:
> There is no such thing as an 'ISP license' in the US. I have a hard time
> imagining Texas of all places would have such a requirement.
> 
> Depending on what exactly you are doing, there are various and highly
> varied requirements, such as acquiring a SPIN number for E-Rate, filing FCC
> 477 if you do broadband, FCC 499 if you do VoIP (CLEC and ETC also apply
> there), a FRN if you do pretty much anything FCC-related, various sorts of
> licenses for most radio/microwave systems (excepting part 15 stuff), CALEA,
> open internet, etc...
> 
> COALS _could_ apply _if_ you are running a cable TV system that also
> delivers data services, but it isn't an 'ISP thing'.
> 
> More to the point...
> 
> I wouldn't take US legal advice from any consultant not familiar with US
> law, or really any non-lawyer consultant at all. I wouldn't take it from
> NANOG either; while it's a tremendous technical resource, it is not your
> attorney.
> 
> There are a number of telecommunications focused law firms out there, with
> knowledgeable lawyers. It would be a good idea to establish a relationship
> with one, if you intend to enter the increasingly complex legal minefield
> of being an ISP.
> 
> --Eric
> 
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Dan White  wrote:
> 
> > Not familiar with the process, but look at E-rate if you want to provide
> > service to schools, libraries and health providers.
> >
> >
> > On 05/31/16 13:14 -0500, Lorell Hathcock wrote:
> >
> >> NANOG:
> >>
> >> Our owner has hired a consultant who insists that we should have an ISP
> >> license to operate in the United States.  (Like they have in other
> >> countries
> >> like Germany and in Africa where he has extensive personal experience.)
> >>
> >> I am asking him to tell me which license we should have because I don't
> >> know
> >> of a license that we are required to have to route IP traffic to end
> >> customers.
> >>
> >> I am familiar with CLEC status filed with our state.  But it is not a
> >> requirement to pass traffic.
> >>
> >> He is suggesting COALS with which I am completely unfamiliar.
> >>
> >> Can anyone tell me if there is a Texas state and/or USA Federal license
> >> for
> >> a small operator to pass IP traffic from the internet to end users
> >> (commercial and/or residential).
> >>
> >> I am aware that there are some CALEA requirements of ISPs that seem to
> >> kick
> >> in once a CALEA request is made, but is that different from a license.
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Dan White
> > BTC Broadband
> >

---
Wayne Bouchard
w...@typo.org
Network Dude
http://www.typo.org/~web/

Re: ISP License in the USA?

[Miles Fidelman]

On 5/31/16 2:53 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:


I would suggest getting a new consultant .. :)


What Dennis said.


Lol got me!   There is nothing that I know of that you have to "license" to 
become a ISP in the US of A. . You do have to fill out Form 477 twice a year. :)


But only if you provide:
- facilities-based broadband services, and/or,
- provide wired or fixed wireless local exchange telephone service
- provide interconnected VoIP service
- provide facilities based wireless telephony
(see https://transition.fcc.gov/form477/WhoMustFileForm477.pdf)

If you provide basic dial-up services, or wireless Internet over 
unlicensed channels - there's no licensing requirement whatever.


As Dennis said - first get a new consultant.  Look for one who can work 
through your service model - what you're going to be selling, to whom, 
using what technology(ies) - and work from there to whatever licenses 
(if any) that you require.


Miles Fidelman

--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   Yogi Berra

RE: ISP License in the USA?

[Dustin Jurman]

Local Business License.

Dustin



-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:53 PM
To: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: RE: ISP License in the USA?

I would suggest getting a new consultant .. :)  

Possible Acronyms

College of Arts and Letters (Missouri State University; Springfield, MO)
Cartridge Overall Length (shooting)
Client Object Access Layer
Circle of Acro Lovers
Columbus Ohio Area Local
Consolidated Operational Activities List Customer Order Acceptance List
Common Operational Activities List (US Navy)
Chance of a Lifetime (raffle)

Lol got me!   There is nothing that I know of that you have to "license" to 
become a ISP in the US of A. . You do have to fill out Form 477 twice a year. 
:)  


www.linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 x103 - dmburg...@linktechs.net 

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Lorell Hathcock
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 1:14 PM
To: 'NANOG list' <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: ISP License in the USA?

NANOG:

 

Our owner has hired a consultant who insists that we should have an ISP license 
to operate in the United States.  (Like they have in other countries like 
Germany and in Africa where he has extensive personal experience.)

 

I am asking him to tell me which license we should have because I don't know of 
a license that we are required to have to route IP traffic to end customers.

 

I am familiar with CLEC status filed with our state.  But it is not a 
requirement to pass traffic.

 

He is suggesting COALS with which I am completely unfamiliar.

 

Can anyone tell me if there is a Texas state and/or USA Federal license for a 
small operator to pass IP traffic from the internet to end users (commercial 
and/or residential).

 

I am aware that there are some CALEA requirements of ISPs that seem to kick in 
once a CALEA request is made, but is that different from a license.

 

Thanks,

 

Lorell Hathcock

 

 

 

 

 

Re: ISP License in the USA?

[Eric Flanery (eric)]

There is no such thing as an 'ISP license' in the US. I have a hard time
imagining Texas of all places would have such a requirement.

Depending on what exactly you are doing, there are various and highly
varied requirements, such as acquiring a SPIN number for E-Rate, filing FCC
477 if you do broadband, FCC 499 if you do VoIP (CLEC and ETC also apply
there), a FRN if you do pretty much anything FCC-related, various sorts of
licenses for most radio/microwave systems (excepting part 15 stuff), CALEA,
open internet, etc...

COALS _could_ apply _if_ you are running a cable TV system that also
delivers data services, but it isn't an 'ISP thing'.

More to the point...

I wouldn't take US legal advice from any consultant not familiar with US
law, or really any non-lawyer consultant at all. I wouldn't take it from
NANOG either; while it's a tremendous technical resource, it is not your
attorney.

There are a number of telecommunications focused law firms out there, with
knowledgeable lawyers. It would be a good idea to establish a relationship
with one, if you intend to enter the increasingly complex legal minefield
of being an ISP.

--Eric

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Dan White  wrote:

> Not familiar with the process, but look at E-rate if you want to provide
> service to schools, libraries and health providers.
>
>
> On 05/31/16 13:14 -0500, Lorell Hathcock wrote:
>
>> NANOG:
>>
>> Our owner has hired a consultant who insists that we should have an ISP
>> license to operate in the United States.  (Like they have in other
>> countries
>> like Germany and in Africa where he has extensive personal experience.)
>>
>> I am asking him to tell me which license we should have because I don't
>> know
>> of a license that we are required to have to route IP traffic to end
>> customers.
>>
>> I am familiar with CLEC status filed with our state.  But it is not a
>> requirement to pass traffic.
>>
>> He is suggesting COALS with which I am completely unfamiliar.
>>
>> Can anyone tell me if there is a Texas state and/or USA Federal license
>> for
>> a small operator to pass IP traffic from the internet to end users
>> (commercial and/or residential).
>>
>> I am aware that there are some CALEA requirements of ISPs that seem to
>> kick
>> in once a CALEA request is made, but is that different from a license.
>>
>
> --
> Dan White
> BTC Broadband
>

Re: ISP License in the USA?

[Sean Donelan]

On Tue, 31 May 2016, Lorell Hathcock wrote:

Our owner has hired a consultant who insists that we should have an ISP
license to operate in the United States.  (Like they have in other countries
like Germany and in Africa where he has extensive personal experience.)

I am asking him to tell me which license we should have because I don't know
of a license that we are required to have to route IP traffic to end
customers.
I am familiar with CLEC status filed with our state.  But it is not a
requirement to pass traffic.

He is suggesting COALS with which I am completely unfamiliar.

Can anyone tell me if there is a Texas state and/or USA Federal license for
a small operator to pass IP traffic from the internet to end users
(commercial and/or residential).

I am aware that there are some CALEA requirements of ISPs that seem to kick
in once a CALEA request is made, but is that different from a license.


As always, you should consult with your company's attorney or legal 
advisor.


ISP's do not have a seperate license in the USA (besides normal business 
and tax licenses).


COALS refers to cable operators and multichannel video programming 
distributors.


CLEC refers to competitive local exchange carriers (i.e. telephone and
private line circuits).

Wireless ISPs may need a FCC radio frequency license for high power or 
exclusive use of radio frequencies.  Low-powered Wi-Fi doesn't need a

license.

Generally you need some kind of permission or license to install 
facilities in a public right of way or exclusive use of public airwaves.


ISPs can lease those facilities from licensed operators, and don't need a 
license themselves. In practice, most cable operators and telephone 
companies are also "self-provisioned" ISPs. They have "license" from a 
state and/or FCC; but that's because they are cable or telephone 
companies installing telecommunication facilities in public rights of way, 
not because they are ISPs.

RE: ISP License in the USA?

[Dennis Burgess]

I would suggest getting a new consultant .. :)  

Possible Acronyms

College of Arts and Letters (Missouri State University; Springfield, MO)
Cartridge Overall Length (shooting)
Client Object Access Layer
Circle of Acro Lovers
Columbus Ohio Area Local
Consolidated Operational Activities List
Customer Order Acceptance List
Common Operational Activities List (US Navy)
Chance of a Lifetime (raffle)

Lol got me!   There is nothing that I know of that you have to "license" to 
become a ISP in the US of A. . You do have to fill out Form 477 twice a year. 
:)  


www.linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 x103 - dmburg...@linktechs.net 

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Lorell Hathcock
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 1:14 PM
To: 'NANOG list' <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: ISP License in the USA?

NANOG:

 

Our owner has hired a consultant who insists that we should have an ISP license 
to operate in the United States.  (Like they have in other countries like 
Germany and in Africa where he has extensive personal experience.)

 

I am asking him to tell me which license we should have because I don't know of 
a license that we are required to have to route IP traffic to end customers.

 

I am familiar with CLEC status filed with our state.  But it is not a 
requirement to pass traffic.

 

He is suggesting COALS with which I am completely unfamiliar.

 

Can anyone tell me if there is a Texas state and/or USA Federal license for a 
small operator to pass IP traffic from the internet to end users (commercial 
and/or residential).

 

I am aware that there are some CALEA requirements of ISPs that seem to kick in 
once a CALEA request is made, but is that different from a license.

 

Thanks,

 

Lorell Hathcock

 

 

 

 

 

Re: ISP License in the USA?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

>>> > He is suggesting COALS .

as in lumps of coals, is what you are going to get on christmas from him, if he 
does not get this gig !


:)


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


- Original Message -
> From: "Lorell Hathcock" <lor...@hathcock.org>
> To: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:14:17 PM
> Subject: ISP License in the USA?

> NANOG:
> 
> 
> 
> Our owner has hired a consultant who insists that we should have an ISP
> license to operate in the United States.  (Like they have in other countries
> like Germany and in Africa where he has extensive personal experience.)
> 
> 
> 
> I am asking him to tell me which license we should have because I don't know
> of a license that we are required to have to route IP traffic to end
> customers.
> 
> 
> 
> I am familiar with CLEC status filed with our state.  But it is not a
> requirement to pass traffic.
> 
> 
> 
> He is suggesting COALS with which I am completely unfamiliar.
> 
> 
> 
> Can anyone tell me if there is a Texas state and/or USA Federal license for
> a small operator to pass IP traffic from the internet to end users
> (commercial and/or residential).
> 
> 
> 
> I am aware that there are some CALEA requirements of ISPs that seem to kick
> in once a CALEA request is made, but is that different from a license.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Lorell Hathcock

RE: ISP License in the USA?

[STARNES, CURTIS]

+1 on the SPIN, when we file our e-Rate form 470 and form 471's each year with 
USAC, we have to provide our carrier's SPIN on these forms.

Curtis Starnes
Senior Network Administrator
Granbury ISD
600 W. Bridge St. Ste. 40
Granbury, Texas  76048
(817) 408-4104
(817) 408-4126 Fax
curtis.star...@granburyisd.org
www.granburyisd.org 
 
 

OPEN RECORDS NOTICE: This email and responses may be subject to Texas Open 
Records laws and may be disclosed to the public upon request. 




-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Ray Orsini
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 1:32 PM
To: Dan White <dwh...@olp.net>; Lorell Hathcock <lor...@hathcock.org>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: RE: ISP License in the USA?

Just to clarify. You don't need a SPIN (e-rate Service Provider Identification 
Number) to provide service to those entities. You only need a SPIN to qualify 
for USF/USAC funding for those entities. If they want to pay full price (which 
some do) you don't need the SPIN. Applying for a SPIN is extremely easy. 
Applying for e-rate funding, on the other hand, is usually best done via a 
consultant. Thankfully that's the customer's problem, not yours.

Regards,
Ray Orsini – CEO
Orsini IT, LLC – Technology Consultants
VOICE DATA  BANDWIDTH  SECURITY  SUPPORT
P: 305.967.6756 x1009   E: r...@orsiniit.com   TF: 844.OIT.VOIP
7900 NW 155th Street, Suite 103, Miami Lakes, FL 33016 http://www.orsiniit.com 
| View My Calendar | View/Pay Your Invoices | View Your Tickets



-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Dan White
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:25 PM
To: Lorell Hathcock <lor...@hathcock.org>
Cc: 'NANOG list' <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: ISP License in the USA?

Not familiar with the process, but look at E-rate if you want to provide 
service to schools, libraries and health providers.

On 05/31/16 13:14 -0500, Lorell Hathcock wrote:
>NANOG:
>
>Our owner has hired a consultant who insists that we should have an ISP 
>license to operate in the United States.  (Like they have in other 
>countries like Germany and in Africa where he has extensive personal
>experience.)
>
>I am asking him to tell me which license we should have because I don't 
>know of a license that we are required to have to route IP traffic to 
>end customers.
>
>I am familiar with CLEC status filed with our state.  But it is not a 
>requirement to pass traffic.
>
>He is suggesting COALS with which I am completely unfamiliar.
>
>Can anyone tell me if there is a Texas state and/or USA Federal license 
>for a small operator to pass IP traffic from the internet to end users 
>(commercial and/or residential).
>
>I am aware that there are some CALEA requirements of ISPs that seem to 
>kick in once a CALEA request is made, but is that different from a license.

--
Dan White
BTC Broadband

RE: ISP License in the USA?

[STARNES, CURTIS]

E-Rate is more of a "discounted" rate process than a license.
I work for a mid-sized school district and apply for and are granted E-Rate 
funding every year.
So from the end user stand point not as a transit ISP, E-Rate would not apply.

Curtis Starnes
Senior Network Administrator
Granbury ISD
600 W. Bridge St. Ste. 40
Granbury, Texas  76048
(817) 408-4104
(817) 408-4126 Fax
curtis.star...@granburyisd.org
www.granburyisd.org 
 
 

OPEN RECORDS NOTICE: This email and responses may be subject to Texas Open 
Records laws and may be disclosed to the public upon request. 



-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Dan White
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 1:25 PM
To: Lorell Hathcock <lor...@hathcock.org>
Cc: 'NANOG list' <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: ISP License in the USA?

Not familiar with the process, but look at E-rate if you want to provide 
service to schools, libraries and health providers.

On 05/31/16 13:14 -0500, Lorell Hathcock wrote:
>NANOG:
>
>Our owner has hired a consultant who insists that we should have an ISP 
>license to operate in the United States.  (Like they have in other 
>countries like Germany and in Africa where he has extensive personal 
>experience.)
>
>I am asking him to tell me which license we should have because I don't 
>know of a license that we are required to have to route IP traffic to 
>end customers.
>
>I am familiar with CLEC status filed with our state.  But it is not a 
>requirement to pass traffic.
>
>He is suggesting COALS with which I am completely unfamiliar.
>
>Can anyone tell me if there is a Texas state and/or USA Federal license 
>for a small operator to pass IP traffic from the internet to end users 
>(commercial and/or residential).
>
>I am aware that there are some CALEA requirements of ISPs that seem to 
>kick in once a CALEA request is made, but is that different from a license.

--
Dan White
BTC Broadband

RE: ISP License in the USA?

[Ray Orsini]

Just to clarify. You don't need a SPIN (e-rate Service Provider
Identification Number) to provide service to those entities. You only need a
SPIN to qualify for USF/USAC funding for those entities. If they want to pay
full price (which some do) you don't need the SPIN. Applying for a SPIN is
extremely easy. Applying for e-rate funding, on the other hand, is usually
best done via a consultant. Thankfully that's the customer's problem, not
yours.

Regards,
Ray Orsini – CEO
Orsini IT, LLC – Technology Consultants
VOICE DATA  BANDWIDTH  SECURITY  SUPPORT
P: 305.967.6756 x1009   E: r...@orsiniit.com   TF: 844.OIT.VOIP
7900 NW 155th Street, Suite 103, Miami Lakes, FL 33016
http://www.orsiniit.com | View My Calendar | View/Pay Your Invoices | View
Your Tickets



-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Dan White
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:25 PM
To: Lorell Hathcock <lor...@hathcock.org>
Cc: 'NANOG list' <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: ISP License in the USA?

Not familiar with the process, but look at E-rate if you want to provide
service to schools, libraries and health providers.

On 05/31/16 13:14 -0500, Lorell Hathcock wrote:
>NANOG:
>
>Our owner has hired a consultant who insists that we should have an ISP
>license to operate in the United States.  (Like they have in other
>countries like Germany and in Africa where he has extensive personal
>experience.)
>
>I am asking him to tell me which license we should have because I don't
>know of a license that we are required to have to route IP traffic to
>end customers.
>
>I am familiar with CLEC status filed with our state.  But it is not a
>requirement to pass traffic.
>
>He is suggesting COALS with which I am completely unfamiliar.
>
>Can anyone tell me if there is a Texas state and/or USA Federal license
>for a small operator to pass IP traffic from the internet to end users
>(commercial and/or residential).
>
>I am aware that there are some CALEA requirements of ISPs that seem to
>kick in once a CALEA request is made, but is that different from a license.

--
Dan White
BTC Broadband

Re: ISP License in the USA?

[Dan White]

Not familiar with the process, but look at E-rate if you want to provide
service to schools, libraries and health providers.

On 05/31/16 13:14 -0500, Lorell Hathcock wrote:

NANOG:

Our owner has hired a consultant who insists that we should have an ISP
license to operate in the United States.  (Like they have in other countries
like Germany and in Africa where he has extensive personal experience.)

I am asking him to tell me which license we should have because I don't know
of a license that we are required to have to route IP traffic to end
customers.

I am familiar with CLEC status filed with our state.  But it is not a
requirement to pass traffic.

He is suggesting COALS with which I am completely unfamiliar.

Can anyone tell me if there is a Texas state and/or USA Federal license for
a small operator to pass IP traffic from the internet to end users
(commercial and/or residential).

I am aware that there are some CALEA requirements of ISPs that seem to kick
in once a CALEA request is made, but is that different from a license.


--
Dan White
BTC Broadband

ISP License in the USA?

[Lorell Hathcock]

NANOG:

 

Our owner has hired a consultant who insists that we should have an ISP
license to operate in the United States.  (Like they have in other countries
like Germany and in Africa where he has extensive personal experience.)

 

I am asking him to tell me which license we should have because I don't know
of a license that we are required to have to route IP traffic to end
customers.

 

I am familiar with CLEC status filed with our state.  But it is not a
requirement to pass traffic.

 

He is suggesting COALS with which I am completely unfamiliar.

 

Can anyone tell me if there is a Texas state and/or USA Federal license for
a small operator to pass IP traffic from the internet to end users
(commercial and/or residential).

 

I am aware that there are some CALEA requirements of ISPs that seem to kick
in once a CALEA request is made, but is that different from a license.

 

Thanks,

 

Lorell Hathcock