Re: Is Usenet actually dead?

2008-08-06 Thread Edward B. DREGER
RES Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:19:44 -0400
RES From: Robert E. Seastrom

RES If trends have continued since last I looked at it, very manageable
RES after you take out the binaries.  Insignificant if you could figure
RES out a way to get rid of the flames and spam.  :)

Usenet - binaries - flames - spam = pretty close to actually dead

;-)


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RE: Is Usenet actually dead?

2008-08-06 Thread Alex Rubenstein
We operate a transit box, and there are still quite a few of them out
there. Pushing hundreds and hundreds of megs.

http://news.anthologeek.net/



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 From: Edward B. DREGER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 2:48 PM
 To: Robert E. Seastrom
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 Subject: Re: Is Usenet actually dead?
 
 RES Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:19:44 -0400
 RES From: Robert E. Seastrom
 
 RES If trends have continued since last I looked at it, very
manageable
 RES after you take out the binaries.  Insignificant if you could
figure
 RES out a way to get rid of the flames and spam.  :)
 
 Usenet - binaries - flames - spam = pretty close to actually dead
 
 ;-)
 
 
 Eddy
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Re: Is Usenet actually dead?

2008-08-05 Thread Robert E. Seastrom

Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 How much *is* Big8 a day these days, though, a gig?  I have a 10MBs
 hose...

If trends have continued since last I looked at it, very manageable
after you take out the binaries.  Insignificant if you could figure
out a way to get rid of the flames and spam.  :)

-r





Is Usenet actually dead?

2008-08-04 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
Opinion pieces in Wired and AG's grandstanding by throwing babies out
with bathwater notwithstanding, a query from a cow-orker caused me to
wonder: is there still anyplace to get a Usenet feed from these days
that isn't {Giga,Super,etc}News?  I want to pull maybe 30 or 40 tech
groups into my own server for the 5 or 6 people in my IT group.

In lieu of How It Used To Be, does anyone have data or anecdotes on
which of the commercial providers will let me run a server in-house?

Off-list is fine; I can summarize if anyone really cares anymore.  :-)

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Re: Is Usenet actually dead?

2008-08-04 Thread Gadi Evron

Avi Freedman runs a decent service.

Gadi.


On Mon, 4 Aug 2008, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:


Opinion pieces in Wired and AG's grandstanding by throwing babies out
with bathwater notwithstanding, a query from a cow-orker caused me to
wonder: is there still anyplace to get a Usenet feed from these days
that isn't {Giga,Super,etc}News?  I want to pull maybe 30 or 40 tech
groups into my own server for the 5 or 6 people in my IT group.

In lieu of How It Used To Be, does anyone have data or anecdotes on
which of the commercial providers will let me run a server in-house?

Off-list is fine; I can summarize if anyone really cares anymore.  :-)

Cheers,
-- jra
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 Those who count the vote decide everything.
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Re: Is Usenet actually dead?

2008-08-04 Thread Florian Weimer
* Jay R. Ashworth:

 Opinion pieces in Wired and AG's grandstanding by throwing babies out
 with bathwater notwithstanding, a query from a cow-orker caused me to
 wonder: is there still anyplace to get a Usenet feed from these days
 that isn't {Giga,Super,etc}News?  I want to pull maybe 30 or 40 tech
 groups into my own server for the 5 or 6 people in my IT group.

You should be able to get the Big 8 (without any binary junk) fairly
easily.  Finding someone who manages your subscriptions using GUP (or
even manually *gasp*) could be more difficult, though, so receiving a
subset is likely not an option.

(I haven't got a Big 8 feed to offer, I'm sorry.  The regional ISP I use
offers an NNTP feed managed by GUP.)



Re: Is Usenet actually dead?

2008-08-04 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 10:19:16PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
 * Jay R. Ashworth:
  Opinion pieces in Wired and AG's grandstanding by throwing babies out
  with bathwater notwithstanding, a query from a cow-orker caused me to
  wonder: is there still anyplace to get a Usenet feed from these days
  that isn't {Giga,Super,etc}News?  I want to pull maybe 30 or 40 tech
  groups into my own server for the 5 or 6 people in my IT group.
 
 You should be able to get the Big 8 (without any binary junk) fairly
 easily.  Finding someone who manages your subscriptions using GUP (or
 even manually *gasp*) could be more difficult, though, so receiving a
 subset is likely not an option.

Some offlist chatter suggests it might not be that difficult; I'm
investigating more deeply and will report what I can.  :-)

How much *is* Big8 a day these days, though, a gig?  I have a 10MBs
hose...

Cheers,
-- jra
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