RE: Looking for Yahoo eMail contact

[Marc Storck]

Yahoo is again "permanently" deferring mails with a persistent transient (sic) 
failure codes.

I followed all the instructions provided online, on and off-list.

Not sure what they expect operators to do in that case...

Regards, Marc

Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 10:47
To: North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: Re: Looking for Yahoo eMail contact

Today the situation cleared on it’s own as it appears. (at least I haven’t been 
notified of any human action)

Thanks to all those replying on and off list.

Regards,

Marc

Re: Looking for Yahoo eMail contact

[Ryan K. Brooks]

On 1/18/16 12:09 PM, Marc Storck wrote:

Yahoo is again "permanently" deferring mails with a persistent transient (sic) 
failure codes.

I followed all the instructions provided online, on and off-list.

Not sure what they expect operators to do in that case...

Regards, Marc

Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 10:47
To: North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: Re: Looking for Yahoo eMail contact

Today the situation cleared on it’s own as it appears. (at least I haven’t been 
notified of any human action)

Thanks to all those replying on and off list.

Regards,

Marc

Yahoo and Hotmail have always caused us problems with list delivery.  
The issue comes and goes and nothing seems to fix it. I've _assumed_ 
that subscribers mark list traffic as spam instead of unsubscribing and 
some sort of score increases, shunting us, and then the score tapers off 
and delivery resumes.


In the meantime, Mailman unsubs piles of *@yahoo accounts.

Yay,

Ryan

Re: Looking for Yahoo eMail contact

[Jonathan Smith]

Wait I thought that was NTF, (No Trouble Found), as it magically cleared
up.  Amazing what was/is done to avoid reporting issues/problems to the PUC
or the like.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Larry Sheldon  wrote:

> On 1/12/2016 03:47, Marc Storck wrote:
>
>> Today the situation cleared on it’s own as it appears. (at least I
>> haven’t been notified of any human action)
>>
>
> Ancient wire-line telephone and telegraph (aka "data" in the latter days)
> technology, trouble ticket code "CCWT" ("Came Clear While Testing").
>
>
> --
> sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Juvenal)
>

Re: Looking for Yahoo eMail contact

[Dave Pooser]

On 1/12/16, 7:04 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Larry Sheldon"
 wrote:

>I told her it meant "All Fouled Up", where upon she picked up another
>stack, also mine, marked "NFG".

At $DAYJOB we often ship audio/video equipment via air counter to counter
for same-day delivery.

On Southwest those deliveries are coded "Next Flight Guaranteed" and
stickered NFG.

Occasionally a client will see a highly expensive piece of gear arrive
with an NFG sticker on the case and come unglued asking why he paid tens
of thousands of dollars if we're sending him gear that is "No F*ing Good."
Hilarity ensues
-- 
Dave Pooser
Cat-Herder-in-Chief, Pooserville.com

Re: Looking for Yahoo eMail contact

[Marc Storck]

Yes this one intrigued me as well, especially as one of the suggestions 
provided:

https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/review-practices-senders-sln3435.html

Which states:

If your messages are being blocked, look closely at any SMTP error codes our 
mail servers are returning and make sure you're addressing the problem:
[…]
Retry 4xx messages - This is a temporary error. (sic)
[…]

Regards,

Marc

> On 11 Jan 2016, at 21:27, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 12:25:17 +, Marc Storck said:
>> I'm looking for a Yahoo email administrator who could contact me offlist.
> 
>> Error: "421 4.7.1 [TS03] All messages from x.x.x.x permanently deferred"
> 
> If you find one, tell them to go look up the difference between 4xx and 5xx
> return codes. :)



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Re: Looking for Yahoo eMail contact

[Marc Storck]

Today the situation cleared on it’s own as it appears. (at least I haven’t been 
notified of any human action)

Thanks to all those replying on and off list.

Regards,

Marc

> On 11 Jan 2016, at 13:25, Marc Storck  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I’m looking for a Yahoo email administrator who could contact me offlist.
> 
> I have a customer with a clean record that is getting thsi error:
> 
> Error: "421 4.7.1 [TS03] All messages from x.x.x.x permanently deferred" when 
> sending email to Yahoo
> 
> The customer is a local non-profit and sends a very limited amount of emails 
> to members, suppliers and other contacts. Mailing-lists are only used to 
> contact members of the NPO.
> 
> I checked the recommendation listed at
> https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN3436.html
> 
> and checked his IP address on several “multi-rbl” lookup sites. All looks 
> clean.
> 
> So I need more input to understand what we need to correct.
> 
> Thank you very much in advance.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Marc
> 
> 



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Re: Looking for Yahoo eMail contact

[Larry Sheldon]

On 1/12/2016 03:47, Marc Storck wrote:

Today the situation cleared on it’s own as it appears. (at least I
haven’t been notified of any human action)


Ancient wire-line telephone and telegraph (aka "data" in the latter 
days) technology, trouble ticket code "CCWT" ("Came Clear While Testing").



--
sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Juvenal)

Re: Looking for Yahoo eMail contact

[Larry Sheldon]

On 1/12/2016 15:15, Jonathan Smith wrote:

Wait I thought that was NTF, (No Trouble Found), as it magically cleared
up.  Amazing what was/is done to avoid reporting issues/problems to the
PUC or the like.


"NTF" is valid only if the reported condition was not observed by the 
reporter at all.  "CCWT" means the reporter observed the reported 
condition that disappeared while inserting or removing test cords, 
thumping on the bay iron, or correcting an unrelated adjustment.


Couple of short war stories--we had a scandal and investigation of the 
proportion of tickets that were closed "NTF".


Turns out that the night equipment man, as a matter of habit, every 
night when he arrived for work, retrieved a piece of 2 X 4 he had 
hidden, and whacked the end of every lineup on his way in.


In a different office, but the same kind of problem, one day the tool 
crib clerk stopped me and asked about a stack of tickets in an 
"analysis" project she had been assigned.


All of the tickets in the stack were mine, and they all referred to 
equipment that day-shift patched-out and wrote up that night-shift 
cleared as NTF or CCWT.  I had gotten tired of writing up the sad and 
detailed story every day and had started reporing them as "AFU"-- she 
wanted to know what "AFU" meant.


I told her it meant "All Fouled Up", where upon she picked up another 
stack, also mine, marked "NFG".


I told her those were the same at the AFU ones.


On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Larry Sheldon > wrote:

On 1/12/2016 03:47, Marc Storck wrote:

Today the situation cleared on it’s own as it appears. (at least I
haven’t been notified of any human action)


Ancient wire-line telephone and telegraph (aka "data" in the latter
days) technology, trouble ticket code "CCWT" ("Came Clear While
Testing").


--
sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Juvenal)





--
sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Juvenal)

Re: Looking for Yahoo eMail contact

[Larry Sheldon]

On 1/12/2016 19:04, Larry Sheldon wrote:

On 1/12/2016 15:15, Jonathan Smith wrote:

Wait I thought that was NTF, (No Trouble Found), as it magically cleared
up.  Amazing what was/is done to avoid reporting issues/problems to the
PUC or the like.


"NTF" is valid only if the reported condition was not observed by the
reporter at all.  "CCWT" means the reporter observed the reported
condition that disappeared while inserting or removing test cords,
thumping on the bay iron, or correcting an unrelated adjustment.


That is a really muddy statement--should have said:

"NTF" is valid only if the reported condition was not observed by the
tester at all.  "CCWT" means the tester observed the reported
condition, but disappeared while inserting or removing test cords,
thumping on the bay iron, or correcting an unrelated adjustment and not 
as a result of a palliative action.


--
sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Juvenal)

Re: Looking for Yahoo eMail contact

[Valdis . Kletnieks]

On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 12:25:17 +, Marc Storck said:
> I'm looking for a Yahoo email administrator who could contact me offlist.

> Error: "421 4.7.1 [TS03] All messages from x.x.x.x permanently deferred"

If you find one, tell them to go look up the difference between 4xx and 5xx
return codes. :)


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Looking for Yahoo eMail contact

[Marc Storck]

Hello,

I’m looking for a Yahoo email administrator who could contact me offlist.

I have a customer with a clean record that is getting thsi error:

Error: "421 4.7.1 [TS03] All messages from x.x.x.x permanently deferred" when 
sending email to Yahoo

The customer is a local non-profit and sends a very limited amount of emails to 
members, suppliers and other contacts. Mailing-lists are only used to contact 
members of the NPO.

I checked the recommendation listed at
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN3436.html

and checked his IP address on several “multi-rbl” lookup sites. All looks clean.

So I need more input to understand what we need to correct.

Thank you very much in advance.

Best regards,

Marc




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Re: Looking for Yahoo eMail contact

[Elizabeth Zwicky via NANOG]

http://postmaster.yahoo.com, click on "Contact Us" at the top since your 
question isn't one of the giant ones in the middle of the page.
Elizabeth Zwicky 

On Monday, January 11, 2016 4:28 AM, Marc Storck  
wrote:
 

 Hello,

I’m looking for a Yahoo email administrator who could contact me offlist.

I have a customer with a clean record that is getting thsi error:

Error: "421 4.7.1 [TS03] All messages from x.x.x.x permanently deferred" when 
sending email to Yahoo

The customer is a local non-profit and sends a very limited amount of emails to 
members, suppliers and other contacts. Mailing-lists are only used to contact 
members of the NPO.

I checked the recommendation listed at
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN3436.html

and checked his IP address on several “multi-rbl” lookup sites. All looks clean.

So I need more input to understand what we need to correct.

Thank you very much in advance.

Best regards,

Marc

Re: Looking for Yahoo eMail contact

[Bjørn Mork]

Elizabeth Zwicky via NANOG  writes:

> "permanently deferred"

Does not compute :)


Bjørn