RE: Looking for recommendation on 10G Ethernet switch
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Kevin L. Karch kevinka...@vackinc.com wrote: Andrew We offer several solutions that meet your initial requirements. Can you tell me if this is a multi rack deployment and a few more details? If you would like we could have a call with one of our applications engineers and get a budgetary quote assembled. Please let me know how you would like to proceed. Thank you, Kevin L. Karch Network Specialist Direct: 847-833-8810 Fax: 847-985-5550 Email: kevinka...@vackinc.com Web: www.vackinc.com The Optical Network Specialists Kevin, no thank you, I did not start this thread. If I ever need products I reach out to my contacts at each manufacturer or distributor. It would be much less embarrassing for you if the website in your signature actually finished loading the images containing the text for your company. The page does not render at all for me -- it is completely blank once the gratuitous code stripper is finished with it. I presume security has to be disabled to view it -- and I'm not going to do that. As a matter of policy I never deal with anyone who is so incompetent as to create web sites like this. Generally I have found that such companies product is of the same quality as the web page.
Re: Looking for recommendation on 10G Ethernet switch
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Eric Germann egerm...@limanews.com wrote: Colleagues, I'm looking for a recommendation on a smallish 10G Ethernet switch for a small virtualization/SAN implementation (4-5 hosts, 2 SAN boxes) over iSCSI with some legacy boxes on GigE. Preferably - 8-16 10G ports - several GigE ports for legacy GigE hosts or cross connect to a legacy GigE switch - preferably not a large chassis based solution with blades The hosts aren't going to be driving full line rate, nor the SAN boxes providing full line rate, but their offered loads will definitely exceed 1Gbps. Assessing whether it is better to go 10G now vs. multi-pathing with quad GigE cards. Trying to find the best solution for 1G on a trunk and $50K per box. You can look ar Brocade TurboIron 24. It has 24 ports of 1/10G depending on the SFP you put in.
Re: Looking for recommendation on 10G Ethernet switch
ARISTA 7xxx series would be one of the options to consider cheers! Gopi... __ please ignore typo's if any... sent from handheld device __ Eugeniu Patrascu eu...@imacandi.net wrote: On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Eric Germann egerm...@limanews.com wrote: Colleagues, I'm looking for a recommendation on a smallish 10G Ethernet switch for a small virtualization/SAN implementation (4-5 hosts, 2 SAN boxes) over iSCSI with some legacy boxes on GigE. Preferably - 8-16 10G ports - several GigE ports for legacy GigE hosts or cross connect to a legacy GigE switch - preferably not a large chassis based solution with blades The hosts aren't going to be driving full line rate, nor the SAN boxes providing full line rate, but their offered loads will definitely exceed 1Gbps. Assessing whether it is better to go 10G now vs. multi-pathing with quad GigE cards. Trying to find the best solution for 1G on a trunk and $50K per box. You can look ar Brocade TurboIron 24. It has 24 ports of 1/10G depending on the SFP you put in.
Re: Looking for recommendation on 10G Ethernet switch
The Juniper ex4500/4550 could work, small chassis, can be made part of a virtual chassis. Works well in an enterprise setup but can cause configuration headaches if within a service provider environment where vlans need to be translated. Darius On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Eric Germann egerm...@limanews.com wrote: Colleagues, I'm looking for a recommendation on a smallish 10G Ethernet switch for a small virtualization/SAN implementation (4-5 hosts, 2 SAN boxes) over iSCSI with some legacy boxes on GigE. Preferably - 8-16 10G ports - several GigE ports for legacy GigE hosts or cross connect to a legacy GigE switch - preferably not a large chassis based solution with blades The hosts aren't going to be driving full line rate, nor the SAN boxes providing full line rate, but their offered loads will definitely exceed 1Gbps. Assessing whether it is better to go 10G now vs. multi-pathing with quad GigE cards. Trying to find the best solution for 1G on a trunk and $50K per box. Any recommendations appreciated. Thanks EKG
Re: Looking for recommendation on 10G Ethernet switch
Dell Force10 S4810 is a decent ToR switch: 48 dual-speed 1/10GbE (SFP+) ports and four 40GbE (QSFP+) uplinks Peter On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Eric Germann egerm...@limanews.com wrote: Colleagues, I'm looking for a recommendation on a smallish 10G Ethernet switch for a small virtualization/SAN implementation (4-5 hosts, 2 SAN boxes) over iSCSI with some legacy boxes on GigE. Preferably - 8-16 10G ports - several GigE ports for legacy GigE hosts or cross connect to a legacy GigE switch - preferably not a large chassis based solution with blades The hosts aren't going to be driving full line rate, nor the SAN boxes providing full line rate, but their offered loads will definitely exceed 1Gbps. Assessing whether it is better to go 10G now vs. multi-pathing with quad GigE cards. Trying to find the best solution for 1G on a trunk and $50K per box. Any recommendations appreciated. Thanks EKG
Looking for recommendation on 10G Ethernet switch
Colleagues, I'm looking for a recommendation on a smallish 10G Ethernet switch for a small virtualization/SAN implementation (4-5 hosts, 2 SAN boxes) over iSCSI with some legacy boxes on GigE. Preferably - 8-16 10G ports - several GigE ports for legacy GigE hosts or cross connect to a legacy GigE switch - preferably not a large chassis based solution with blades The hosts aren't going to be driving full line rate, nor the SAN boxes providing full line rate, but their offered loads will definitely exceed 1Gbps. Assessing whether it is better to go 10G now vs. multi-pathing with quad GigE cards. Trying to find the best solution for 1G on a trunk and $50K per box. Any recommendations appreciated. Thanks EKG
Re: Looking for recommendation on 10G Ethernet switch
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Eric Germann egerm...@limanews.com wrote: Colleagues, I'm looking for a recommendation on a smallish 10G Ethernet switch for a small virtualization/SAN implementation (4-5 hosts, 2 SAN boxes) over iSCSI with some legacy boxes on GigE. Preferably - 8-16 10G ports - several GigE ports for legacy GigE hosts or cross connect to a legacy GigE switch - preferably not a large chassis based solution with blades The hosts aren't going to be driving full line rate, nor the SAN boxes providing full line rate, but their offered loads will definitely exceed 1Gbps. Assessing whether it is better to go 10G now vs. multi-pathing with quad GigE cards. Trying to find the best solution for 1G on a trunk and $50K per box. Any recommendations appreciated. Thanks EKG This topic has been covered completely and often on the Beowulf list. http://www.beowulf.org/pipermail/beowulf/ or do a site search via your friendly search engine. -- ~ Andrew lathama Latham lath...@gmail.com http://lathama.net ~
Re: Looking for recommendation on 10G Ethernet switch
If you're looking at sub 50k, the Nexus 5k isn't a terrible option. It gives you 32 10Gig SFP slots for ~$25,000 or less if you don't mind used from ebay. On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Andrew Latham lath...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Eric Germann egerm...@limanews.com wrote: Colleagues, I'm looking for a recommendation on a smallish 10G Ethernet switch for a small virtualization/SAN implementation (4-5 hosts, 2 SAN boxes) over iSCSI with some legacy boxes on GigE. Preferably - 8-16 10G ports - several GigE ports for legacy GigE hosts or cross connect to a legacy GigE switch - preferably not a large chassis based solution with blades The hosts aren't going to be driving full line rate, nor the SAN boxes providing full line rate, but their offered loads will definitely exceed 1Gbps. Assessing whether it is better to go 10G now vs. multi-pathing with quad GigE cards. Trying to find the best solution for 1G on a trunk and $50K per box. Any recommendations appreciated. Thanks EKG This topic has been covered completely and often on the Beowulf list. http://www.beowulf.org/pipermail/beowulf/ or do a site search via your friendly search engine. -- ~ Andrew lathama Latham lath...@gmail.com http://lathama.net ~ -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
Re: Looking for recommendation on 10G Ethernet switch
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Mike Hale eyeronic.des...@gmail.com wrote: If you're looking at sub 50k, the Nexus 5k isn't a terrible option. It gives you 32 10Gig SFP slots for ~$25,000 or less if you don't mind used from ebay. On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Andrew Latham lath...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Eric Germann egerm...@limanews.com wrote: Colleagues, I'm looking for a recommendation on a smallish 10G Ethernet switch for a small virtualization/SAN implementation (4-5 hosts, 2 SAN boxes) over iSCSI with some legacy boxes on GigE. Preferably - 8-16 10G ports - several GigE ports for legacy GigE hosts or cross connect to a legacy GigE switch - preferably not a large chassis based solution with blades The hosts aren't going to be driving full line rate, nor the SAN boxes providing full line rate, but their offered loads will definitely exceed 1Gbps. Assessing whether it is better to go 10G now vs. multi-pathing with quad GigE cards. Trying to find the best solution for 1G on a trunk and $50K per box. Any recommendations appreciated. Thanks EKG This topic has been covered completely and often on the Beowulf list. http://www.beowulf.org/pipermail/beowulf/ or do a site search via your friendly search engine. -- ~ Andrew lathama Latham lath...@gmail.com http://lathama.net ~ Also note that new devices hit the market everyday. For example Supermicro has an offering at http://www.supermicro.com/products/accessories/Networking/SSE-X24S.cfm which at the very least will be supported forever. -- ~ Andrew lathama Latham lath...@gmail.com http://lathama.net ~
Re: Looking for recommendation on 10G Ethernet switch
You may want to take a look at the Brocade VDX 6720, it provides 16 10gb ports, with 8 ports on demand with addl license. They are very reasonable, esp. if you only need 16 ports. Maintenance costs are less than cisco. - Original Message - From: Eric Germann egerm...@limanews.com To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 10:13:01 AM Subject: Looking for recommendation on 10G Ethernet switch Colleagues, I'm looking for a recommendation on a smallish 10G Ethernet switch for a small virtualization/SAN implementation (4-5 hosts, 2 SAN boxes) over iSCSI with some legacy boxes on GigE. Preferably - 8-16 10G ports - several GigE ports for legacy GigE hosts or cross connect to a legacy GigE switch - preferably not a large chassis based solution with blades The hosts aren't going to be driving full line rate, nor the SAN boxes providing full line rate, but their offered loads will definitely exceed 1Gbps. Assessing whether it is better to go 10G now vs. multi-pathing with quad GigE cards. Trying to find the best solution for 1G on a trunk and $50K per box. Any recommendations appreciated. Thanks EKG
Re: Looking for recommendation on 10G Ethernet switch
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Eric Germann egerm...@limanews.com wrote: I'm looking for a recommendation on a smallish 10G Ethernet switch for a small virtualization/SAN implementation (4-5 hosts, 2 SAN boxes) over iSCSI with some legacy boxes on GigE. 1Gbps. Assessing whether it is better to go 10G now vs. multi-pathing with quad GigE cards. Trying to find the best solution for 1G on a trunk and $50K per box. Certainly the days of doing NxGE to servers should be behind us. There are many good 10GE switch offerings. The Juniper QFX and Arista (insert one of three good product lines here) have been excellent for us. We like them for different reasons -- Arista is quite good if you want to integrate with a provisioning system; QFX is our choice when most provisioning is done manually. Both are way under $50k per box. The biggest difference between the TOR-style switches and chassis offerings, aside from the obvious, is buffers. All the TOR-type 10G switches have really small buffers and that can be a performance issue for iSCSI when utilization is high. Most of the chassis-type switches have very generous buffers so you do not run into problems with micro-bursting, etc. The vendors will all tell you about lossless ethernet, flow control, etc. and that crap sounds great on paper. Try making it actually work. You'll want those days of your life back. :) $0.02. -- Jeff S Wheeler j...@inconcepts.biz Sr Network Operator / Innovative Network Concepts
Re: Looking for recommendation on 10G Ethernet switch
On 02/11/2012 20:10, Jeff Wheeler wrote: The biggest difference between the TOR-style switches and chassis offerings, aside from the obvious, is buffers. All the TOR-type 10G switches have really small buffers and that can be a performance issue for iSCSI when utilization is high not particularly when utilisation is high, but in situations where congestion occurs, e.g. when you either have a high write load from multiple clients to a single server, or if you're down-shifting from a 10G server to 1G clients or something. The vendors will all tell you about lossless ethernet, flow control, etc. and that crap sounds great on paper. Try making it actually work. flow control on a switch port can lead to hol blocking, which is bad bad news - guaranteed to trash multi-access network performance. Some vendors actually push this as a feature. I don't completely understand why, but maybe it has something to do with customers mistakenly believing that it will make their lives better. People believe in all sorts of odd superstitions though: black cats, spilling salt, having full features on ethernet LAGs, vendor marketing blurb, fear of the number 13, etc. All very odd stuff. Nick
Re: Looking for recommendation on 10G Ethernet switch
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Jeff Wheeler j...@inconcepts.biz wrote: On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Eric Germann egerm...@limanews.com wrote: I'm looking for a recommendation on a smallish 10G Ethernet switch for a small virtualization/SAN implementation (4-5 hosts, 2 SAN boxes) over iSCSI with some legacy boxes on GigE. 1Gbps. Assessing whether it is better to go 10G now vs. multi-pathing with quad GigE cards. Trying to find the best solution for 1G on a trunk and $50K per box. Certainly the days of doing NxGE to servers should be behind us. There are many good 10GE switch offerings. The Juniper QFX and Arista (insert one of three good product lines here) have been excellent for us. We like them for different reasons -- Arista is quite good if you want to integrate with a provisioning system; QFX is our choice when most provisioning is done manually. Both are way under $50k per box. The biggest difference between the TOR-style switches and chassis offerings, aside from the obvious, is buffers. All the TOR-type 10G switches have really small buffers and that can be a performance issue for iSCSI when utilization is high. Most of the chassis-type switches have very generous buffers so you do not run into problems with micro-bursting, etc. The vendors will all tell you about lossless ethernet, flow control, etc. and that crap sounds great on paper. Try making it actually work. You'll want those days of your life back. :) I'm curious if anyone here has experience with the Extreme Summit X650 or X670 switches? I'm also currently looking for 10GBASE-T switch for my first SAN, but one with 48 ports. The price for X670V-48T seems reasonable, but I have no experience with 10 GbE over copper, so it's difficult to figure out what criteria to use (other than price) when comparing Extreme, Arista, Dell, and others. Any tips? - Max
Re: Looking for recommendation on 10G Ethernet switch
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Kevin L. Karch kevinka...@vackinc.com wrote: Andrew We offer several solutions that meet your initial requirements. Can you tell me if this is a multi rack deployment and a few more details? If you would like we could have a call with one of our applications engineers and get a budgetary quote assembled. Please let me know how you would like to proceed. Thank you, Kevin L. Karch Network Specialist Direct: 847-833-8810 Fax: 847-985-5550 Email: kevinka...@vackinc.com Web: www.vackinc.com The Optical Network Specialists Kevin, no thank you, I did not start this thread. If I ever need products I reach out to my contacts at each manufacturer or distributor. It would be much less embarrassing for you if the website in your signature actually finished loading the images containing the text for your company. -- ~ Andrew lathama Latham lath...@gmail.com http://lathama.net ~
Re: Looking for recommendation on 10G Ethernet switch
I have used the summit x650s for cloud and they work fine for public and SAN traffic on the same switch. I have seen then as low as 7k if you can work with extreme directly. The only downside being the configuration for large VLAN amounts. Also netgear makes the xsm7224s which does everything the summit does aside from only supporting 1024 vlans. I have a pair of these and they work very well. On Friday, November 2, 2012, Andrew Latham wrote: On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Kevin L. Karch kevinka...@vackinc.comjavascript:; wrote: Andrew We offer several solutions that meet your initial requirements. Can you tell me if this is a multi rack deployment and a few more details? If you would like we could have a call with one of our applications engineers and get a budgetary quote assembled. Please let me know how you would like to proceed. Thank you, Kevin L. Karch Network Specialist Direct: 847-833-8810 Fax: 847-985-5550 Email: kevinka...@vackinc.com javascript:; Web: www.vackinc.com The Optical Network Specialists Kevin, no thank you, I did not start this thread. If I ever need products I reach out to my contacts at each manufacturer or distributor. It would be much less embarrassing for you if the website in your signature actually finished loading the images containing the text for your company. -- ~ Andrew lathama Latham lath...@gmail.com javascript:; http://lathama.net ~ -- Bryan Tong Nullivex LLC | eSited LLC (507) 298-1624
