Re: Metro Ethernet, VPLS clarifications
From my understanding M-Ethernet is a some kind of service. Standartized technology that allows to connect multiple different networks. And it is independent from physical and datalink layers. Metro Ethernet is a datalink (layer 2) protocol. It also has physical (layer 1) specifications though there are several kinds of physical medium that can be used. Most commonly its delivered over fiber (single or multi-mode depending on distance from the last active element) or cat 5E/6 twisted pair. And nowadays which tecnology is the most used(VPLS or Metro)? What about MPLS? Sorry I'm a little confused. I really want to understand. VPLS can be run across several different kinds of layer 1 2 technologies and is independent of the underlying technology because it builds it pseudo wires at layers 3 4. VPLS leverages technologies like Metro Ethernet and MPLS to extend a business' Ethernet LAN (technically the broadcast domain) to remote sites. At the end of the day you can use several kinds of tunneling technologies to provide VPLS, including GRE, MPLS, and L2TPv3. Here are the main two RFCs: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4761 http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4762 -- Regards, Abzal -- Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
Re: Metro Ethernet, VPLS clarifications
Hi, My 2 cents VPLS can be run across several different kinds of layer 1 2 technologies and is independent of the underlying technology because it builds it pseudo wires at layers 3 4. VPLS leverages technologies like Metro Ethernet and MPLS to extend a business' Ethernet LAN (technically the broadcast domain) to remote sites. At the end of the day you can use several kinds of tunneling technologies to provide VPLS, including GRE, MPLS, and L2TPv3. For fun you can also do : LDP VPLS over a GRE tunnel LDP over a GRE tunnel within an encrypted network I can be wrong but VPLS is running over MPLS (rfc 4762) because it is using LDP Regards Fabien Le 6 févr. 2013 à 15:41, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com a écrit : From my understanding M-Ethernet is a some kind of service. Standartized technology that allows to connect multiple different networks. And it is independent from physical and datalink layers. Metro Ethernet is a datalink (layer 2) protocol. It also has physical (layer 1) specifications though there are several kinds of physical medium that can be used. Most commonly its delivered over fiber (single or multi-mode depending on distance from the last active element) or cat 5E/6 twisted pair. And nowadays which tecnology is the most used(VPLS or Metro)? What about MPLS? Sorry I'm a little confused. I really want to understand. VPLS can be run across several different kinds of layer 1 2 technologies and is independent of the underlying technology because it builds it pseudo wires at layers 3 4. VPLS leverages technologies like Metro Ethernet and MPLS to extend a business' Ethernet LAN (technically the broadcast domain) to remote sites. At the end of the day you can use several kinds of tunneling technologies to provide VPLS, including GRE, MPLS, and L2TPv3. Here are the main two RFCs: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4761 http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4762 -- Regards, Abzal -- Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
RE: Metro Ethernet, VPLS clarifications
And for fun you can also do: Ethernet over PBB to VPLS Ethernet over PBB over VPLS -that's actually called EVPN adam -Original Message- From: Fabien Delmotte [mailto:fdelmot...@mac.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 4:07 PM To: Scott Helms Cc: NANOG; Abzal Sembay Subject: Re: Metro Ethernet, VPLS clarifications Hi, My 2 cents VPLS can be run across several different kinds of layer 1 2 technologies and is independent of the underlying technology because it builds it pseudo wires at layers 3 4. VPLS leverages technologies like Metro Ethernet and MPLS to extend a business' Ethernet LAN (technically the broadcast domain) to remote sites. At the end of the day you can use several kinds of tunneling technologies to provide VPLS, including GRE, MPLS, and L2TPv3. For fun you can also do : LDP VPLS over a GRE tunnel LDP over a GRE tunnel within an encrypted network I can be wrong but VPLS is running over MPLS (rfc 4762) because it is using LDP Regards Fabien Le 6 févr. 2013 à 15:41, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com a écrit : From my understanding M-Ethernet is a some kind of service. Standartized technology that allows to connect multiple different networks. And it is independent from physical and datalink layers. Metro Ethernet is a datalink (layer 2) protocol. It also has physical (layer 1) specifications though there are several kinds of physical medium that can be used. Most commonly its delivered over fiber (single or multi-mode depending on distance from the last active element) or cat 5E/6 twisted pair. And nowadays which tecnology is the most used(VPLS or Metro)? What about MPLS? Sorry I'm a little confused. I really want to understand. VPLS can be run across several different kinds of layer 1 2 technologies and is independent of the underlying technology because it builds it pseudo wires at layers 3 4. VPLS leverages technologies like Metro Ethernet and MPLS to extend a business' Ethernet LAN (technically the broadcast domain) to remote sites. At the end of the day you can use several kinds of tunneling technologies to provide VPLS, including GRE, MPLS, and L2TPv3. Here are the main two RFCs: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4761 http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4762 -- Regards, Abzal -- Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
Re: Metro Ethernet, VPLS clarifications
I thought that PBB was dead :) if not forget VPLS and play with PBB and PBT :) Welcome in the twilight zone Fabien Le 6 févr. 2013 à 16:19, Adam Vitkovsky adam.vitkov...@swan.sk a écrit : And for fun you can also do: Ethernet over PBB to VPLS Ethernet over PBB over VPLS -that's actually called EVPN adam -Original Message- From: Fabien Delmotte [mailto:fdelmot...@mac.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 4:07 PM To: Scott Helms Cc: NANOG; Abzal Sembay Subject: Re: Metro Ethernet, VPLS clarifications Hi, My 2 cents VPLS can be run across several different kinds of layer 1 2 technologies and is independent of the underlying technology because it builds it pseudo wires at layers 3 4. VPLS leverages technologies like Metro Ethernet and MPLS to extend a business' Ethernet LAN (technically the broadcast domain) to remote sites. At the end of the day you can use several kinds of tunneling technologies to provide VPLS, including GRE, MPLS, and L2TPv3. For fun you can also do : LDP VPLS over a GRE tunnel LDP over a GRE tunnel within an encrypted network I can be wrong but VPLS is running over MPLS (rfc 4762) because it is using LDP Regards Fabien Le 6 févr. 2013 à 15:41, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com a écrit : From my understanding M-Ethernet is a some kind of service. Standartized technology that allows to connect multiple different networks. And it is independent from physical and datalink layers. Metro Ethernet is a datalink (layer 2) protocol. It also has physical (layer 1) specifications though there are several kinds of physical medium that can be used. Most commonly its delivered over fiber (single or multi-mode depending on distance from the last active element) or cat 5E/6 twisted pair. And nowadays which tecnology is the most used(VPLS or Metro)? What about MPLS? Sorry I'm a little confused. I really want to understand. VPLS can be run across several different kinds of layer 1 2 technologies and is independent of the underlying technology because it builds it pseudo wires at layers 3 4. VPLS leverages technologies like Metro Ethernet and MPLS to extend a business' Ethernet LAN (technically the broadcast domain) to remote sites. At the end of the day you can use several kinds of tunneling technologies to provide VPLS, including GRE, MPLS, and L2TPv3. Here are the main two RFCs: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4761 http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4762 -- Regards, Abzal -- Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
Re: Metro Ethernet, VPLS clarifications
Metro-Ethernet is generally the term used to describe Ethernet used as a WAN connection or as a point to point connection. There was at one time the concept of a MAN (Metro Area Network) but metro ethernet is now available in more scenarios than that described. The connectivity can be over fiber or copper and the speed delivered can be as low as a few mbps but commercially available offerings normally start at 5-10 mbps. On the high end its possible to get gigabit and faster connections in certain areas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_E VPLS stands for Virtual Private Lan Services. This an umbrella technology that allows for the bridging of layer 2 traffic across various layer 2 3 networks. This is generally used as a replacement for a point to point metro ethernet (or other) connection. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VPLS On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Abzal Sembay serian@gmail.com wrote: Hi experts, I need some clarifications on these terms. Could somebody give explanations or share some links? When and how are these technologies used? Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Abzal -- Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
Re: Metro Ethernet, VPLS clarifications
05.02.2013 19:58, Scott Helms ?: Metro-Ethernet is generally the term used to describe Ethernet used as a WAN connection or as a point to point connection. There was at one time the concept of a MAN (Metro Area Network) but metro ethernet is now available in more scenarios than that described. The connectivity can be over fiber or copper and the speed delivered can be as low as a few mbps but commercially available offerings normally start at 5-10 mbps. On the high end its possible to get gigabit and faster connections in certain areas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_E VPLS stands for Virtual Private Lan Services. This an umbrella technology that allows for the bridging of layer 2 traffic across various layer 2 3 networks. This is generally used as a replacement for a point to point metro ethernet (or other) connection. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VPLS On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Abzal Sembay serian@gmail.com mailto:serian@gmail.com wrote: Hi experts, I need some clarifications on these terms. Could somebody give explanations or share some links? When and how are these technologies used? Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Abzal -- Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms Thank you, Scott and all of you for your answers and time. From my understanding M-Ethernet is a some kind of service. Standartized technology that allows to connect multiple different networks. And it is independent from physical and datalink layers. And nowadays which tecnology is the most used(VPLS or Metro)? What about MPLS? Sorry I'm a little confused. I really want to understand. -- Regards, Abzal
Re: Metro Ethernet, VPLS clarifications
The Metro Ethernet Forum (MEF) develops standards for Metro Ethernet, which are generally implemented by telcos/cablecos. See the following link: http://metroethernetforum.org/ The 2 biggest problems I have found with telco/cableco MEF services are: 1. In network configurations where all sites are relatively close together ( 500 miles), the telco/cableco SLAs are meaningless, bordering on being fraudulent. For instance SLAs of 50 ms round trip for bronze service, and 20 ms for gold service are enough network transit time to send packets 5000 miles and 2000 miles respectively. This is like buying homeowners' insurance on a $500K house with a $10 million deductible (50 ms SLA), and a more expensive policy has a $5 million deductible (20 ms SLA). 2. The MEF spec does not address directed multicast, as opposed to a native Ethernet switched network which updates the mac tables with each next hop for the multicast requestor (video for instance) tracking the Layer 3 multicast routing protocol shortest path. So in MEF implementations where users view a constant 10 Mbps (for example) multicast video stream between a requestor and a multicast source, this 10 Mbps gets broadcast out all switch ports in a users' MEF VLAN, rendering low speed MEF connections at all other users' locations useless. David On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Abzal Sembay serian@gmail.com wrote: 05.02.2013 19:58, Scott Helms ?: Metro-Ethernet is generally the term used to describe Ethernet used as a WAN connection or as a point to point connection. There was at one time the concept of a MAN (Metro Area Network) but metro ethernet is now available in more scenarios than that described. The connectivity can be over fiber or copper and the speed delivered can be as low as a few mbps but commercially available offerings normally start at 5-10 mbps. On the high end its possible to get gigabit and faster connections in certain areas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Metro_Ehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_E VPLS stands for Virtual Private Lan Services. This an umbrella technology that allows for the bridging of layer 2 traffic across various layer 2 3 networks. This is generally used as a replacement for a point to point metro ethernet (or other) connection. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**VPLS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VPLS On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Abzal Sembay serian@gmail.commailto: serian@gmail.com wrote: Hi experts, I need some clarifications on these terms. Could somebody give explanations or share some links? When and how are these technologies used? Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Abzal -- Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 --**-- http://twitter.com/kscotthelms --**-- Thank you, Scott and all of you for your answers and time. From my understanding M-Ethernet is a some kind of service. Standartized technology that allows to connect multiple different networks. And it is independent from physical and datalink layers. And nowadays which tecnology is the most used(VPLS or Metro)? What about MPLS? Sorry I'm a little confused. I really want to understand. -- Regards, Abzal
Metro Ethernet, VPLS clarifications
Hi experts, I need some clarifications on these terms. Could somebody give explanations or share some links? When and how are these technologies used? Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Abzal
