Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security
Here they are on the main site: https://pc.nanog.org/static/published/meetings/NANOG74/agenda.html On Tue, Oct 2, 2018, 9:30 PM Christopher Morrow wrote: > > > My slides are: > http://tiny.cc/8rnmzy > > On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 10:44 PM Krassimir Tzvetanov > wrote: > >> Hello Everyone, >> >> Here is the copy of the combined slide deck. >> >> Thanks everyone. >> >> Regards, >> Krassimir >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:54 PM Krassimir T. Tzvetanov >> wrote: >> >>> Hello Everyone, >>> >>> I wanted to attract your attention to the Security Track this coming >>> NANOG. We'll be meeting on Tuesday morning and the line up looks like this: >>> * Andre Toonk - examples of hijacks, other ideas >>> * Alexander Azimov - State of BGP Security >>> * David Wishnick - ARIN TAL >>> * Job Snijders - Routing security roadmap >>> * Chris Morrow - So I need to start filtering routes from peers...' and >>> 'hey guess who needs to update their IRR data?' >>> >>> Time permitting at the end of the time slot we'll have a panel and time >>> for duscussion as well. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Krassi >>> >>> >>> >>>
Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security
My slides are: http://tiny.cc/8rnmzy On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 10:44 PM Krassimir Tzvetanov wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Here is the copy of the combined slide deck. > > Thanks everyone. > > Regards, > Krassimir > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:54 PM Krassimir T. Tzvetanov > wrote: > >> Hello Everyone, >> >> I wanted to attract your attention to the Security Track this coming >> NANOG. We'll be meeting on Tuesday morning and the line up looks like this: >> * Andre Toonk - examples of hijacks, other ideas >> * Alexander Azimov - State of BGP Security >> * David Wishnick - ARIN TAL >> * Job Snijders - Routing security roadmap >> * Chris Morrow - So I need to start filtering routes from peers...' and >> 'hey guess who needs to update their IRR data?' >> >> Time permitting at the end of the time slot we'll have a panel and time >> for duscussion as well. >> >> Regards, >> Krassi >> >> >> >>
Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security
Hello Everyone, Here is the copy of the combined slide deck. Thanks everyone. Regards, Krassimir On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:54 PM Krassimir T. Tzvetanov wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I wanted to attract your attention to the Security Track this coming > NANOG. We'll be meeting on Tuesday morning and the line up looks like this: > * Andre Toonk - examples of hijacks, other ideas > * Alexander Azimov - State of BGP Security > * David Wishnick - ARIN TAL > * Job Snijders - Routing security roadmap > * Chris Morrow - So I need to start filtering routes from peers...' and > 'hey guess who needs to update their IRR data?' > > Time permitting at the end of the time slot we'll have a panel and time > for duscussion as well. > > Regards, > Krassi > > > >
Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security
Perhaps the moderator and the presenters for this track can figure out (off list!) if there is unanimous support to record the session and reconsider. Kind regards, Job
RE: NANOG Security Track: Route Security
Ryan, what does the track moderator have to do with the presenter? All I here is an excuse to do a disservice to fellow members of this community. Do you really want to have future meetings with everyone holding out their phones, cameras, or other recording devices, to spread the wealth of knowledge? That's crazy. Ryan Hamel -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Ryan Woolley Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 11:48 AM To: NANOG Subject: Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 8:16 AM Netravnen wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 at 14:01, John Kristoff wrote: > > > > On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 03:27:49 + > > Ryan Hamel wrote: > > > > > Just like how all the email threads on NANOG are archived, all > > > talks should be archived as well. > > > > Whether to record a session or not is up to the presenter and track > > coordinator. > > I would prefer if NANOG would record sessions by default! (And allow > presenters to opt-out if they really feel like it.) > > Other conferences I have had participated to in the past. Had the > option of allowing opt-out of being recorded on stage. This is in fact how it works now at NANOG. As John points out, the decision is left up to the submitter, but almost all talks are webcast and recorded. (Historically, the security track has not been recorded.) Anyone is welcome to submit talks, including tracks, for consideration, and to make this choice as submitter. In this case, the track moderator believes that it's better that the the talk to not be recorded and so we are honoring that request. Aside from the security track and one other submission, the remainder of the 3-day program will be available for viewing and recorded. Regards, Ryan Woolley NANOG PC Chair
Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security
On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 8:16 AM Netravnen wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 at 14:01, John Kristoff wrote: > > > > On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 03:27:49 + > > Ryan Hamel wrote: > > > > > Just like how all the email threads on NANOG are archived, all talks > > > should be archived as well. > > > > Whether to record a session or not is up to the presenter and track > > coordinator. > > I would prefer if NANOG would record sessions by default! (And allow > presenters to opt-out if they really feel like it.) > > Other conferences I have had participated to in the past. Had the > option of allowing opt-out of being recorded on stage. This is in fact how it works now at NANOG. As John points out, the decision is left up to the submitter, but almost all talks are webcast and recorded. (Historically, the security track has not been recorded.) Anyone is welcome to submit talks, including tracks, for consideration, and to make this choice as submitter. In this case, the track moderator believes that it's better that the the talk to not be recorded and so we are honoring that request. Aside from the security track and one other submission, the remainder of the 3-day program will be available for viewing and recorded. Regards, Ryan Woolley NANOG PC Chair
Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security
--- karl_g...@gmx.at wrote: From: Karl Gerhard Most of the readers here will never attend a NANOG meeting and a big part of those won't attend because they live on other parts of the planet. Yep, 21 years on the list and I still have not had the chance to attend. It's a looong way from Hawaii. :-) scott
Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security
+1 On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 7:53 am Job Snijders, wrote: > Hi all, > > Speaking as presenter in this track, I’d be fine with video recording and > online distribution. In fact, I’d encourage it, I don’t assume any secrecy > or confidentiality in this meeting. > > Perhaps for the NANOG74 meeting it is too late to organize video > recording, but going forward I’m a proponent of recording everything. It > creates more value for both the presenters and the global community. > > Kind regards, > > Job >
Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 at 14:01, John Kristoff wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 03:27:49 + > Ryan Hamel wrote: > > > Just like how all the email threads on NANOG are archived, all talks > > should be archived as well. > > Whether to record a session or not is up to the presenter and track > coordinator. I would prefer if NANOG would record sessions by default! (And allow presenters to opt-out if they really feel like it.) Other conferences I have had participated to in the past. Had the option of allowing opt-out of being recorded on stage.
Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 03:27:49 + Ryan Hamel wrote: > Just like how all the email threads on NANOG are archived, all talks > should be archived as well. Whether to record a session or not is up to the presenter and track coordinator. The security track, originally called the ISP Security BoF started by Barry Greene and Merike Kaeo was in part an outgrowth of the nsp-security community. The nsp-security was a closed, vetted community. In those days, they were not recorded mainly so participants could feel reasonably comfortable sharing amongst each other by having the discussions limited to those there in person. For many years later it was more or less a given that the security track wasn't recorded. However, that position has weakened slightly and I take some of the blame for that. The last two security tracks I led (67/68) were recorded and I think there was at least one before that I asked be recorded, but it ended up not being captured because the meeting coordinators thought I made a mistake. :-) I had taken an informal poll before the first time about this. There were about three people as I recall who preferred them not to be recorded, suggesting they would not go on mic and participate if they were. Maybe during the session another show of hands should be taken to see who wants them recorded or not in the future. John
Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security
Hello, I just wanted to mention that NANOG is being read all over the world - as far as I know this is the biggest english speaking "NOG" mailing list... in the world. Most of the readers here will never attend a NANOG meeting and a big part of those won't attend because they live on other parts of the planet. The topics seem very interesting and highly relevant for networks everywhere and I find it very unfortunate that there will be no recording. Best Regards from Europe Karl -- *From:* Krassimir Tzvetanov [mailto:mailli...@krassi.biz] *Sent:* Mon, Oct 1, 2018 12:30 AM CEST *To:* Sam Oduor *Cc:* NANOG mailing list *Subject:* NANOG Security Track: Route Security > Sam, > > To ensure unimpeded information sharing and discussion, the Security Track > will not be broadcast or recorded. > > I apologise for the inconvenience. > > Regards, > Krassimir > > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018, 1:05 PM Sam Oduor <mailto:sam.od...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hi > > Any online link available for remote participation or viewing ? > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 7:46 PM Krassimir Tzvetanov <mailto:mailli...@krassi.biz>> wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > I wanted to attract your attention to the Security Track this coming > NANOG. We'll be meeting on Tuesday morning and the line up looks like this: > * Andre Toonk - examples of hijacks, other ideas > * Alexander Azimov - State of BGP Security > * David Wishnick - ARIN TAL > * Job Snijders - Routing security roadmap > * Chris Morrow - So I need to start filtering routes from peers...' > and 'hey guess who needs to update their IRR data?' > > Time permitting at the end of the time slot we'll have a panel and > time for duscussion as well. > > Regards, > Krassi > > > > -- > Samson Oduor >
Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security
we could post our slides though, right? (I mean, per presenter, if that's your choice?) On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 12:52 AM Job Snijders wrote: > Hi all, > > Speaking as presenter in this track, I’d be fine with video recording and > online distribution. In fact, I’d encourage it, I don’t assume any secrecy > or confidentiality in this meeting. > > Perhaps for the NANOG74 meeting it is too late to organize video > recording, but going forward I’m a proponent of recording everything. It > creates more value for both the presenters and the global community. > > Kind regards, > > Job >
Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security
Hi all, Speaking as presenter in this track, I’d be fine with video recording and online distribution. In fact, I’d encourage it, I don’t assume any secrecy or confidentiality in this meeting. Perhaps for the NANOG74 meeting it is too late to organize video recording, but going forward I’m a proponent of recording everything. It creates more value for both the presenters and the global community. Kind regards, Job
Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security
Agreed, especially if they’re an active member of the organization and doesn’t seem to be synonymous with NANOGs Charter. Jason On Sep 30, 2018, at 22:41, Brian Kantor wrote: >> To ensure unimpeded information sharing and discussion, the >> Security Track will not be broadcast or recorded. > > I fail to understand how making the presentations secret from all > except those attending in person promotes information sharing. > Could whoever made this seemingly contradictory decision explain > the reasoning behind it? >- Brian >
Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security
> To ensure unimpeded information sharing and discussion, the > Security Track will not be broadcast or recorded. I fail to understand how making the presentations secret from all except those attending in person promotes information sharing. Could whoever made this seemingly contradictory decision explain the reasoning behind it? - Brian
RE: NANOG Security Track: Route Security
Just like how all the email threads on NANOG are archived, all talks should be archived as well. Ryan Hamel From: NANOG On Behalf Of Krassimir Tzvetanov Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 3:31 PM To: Sam Oduor Cc: NANOG mailing list Subject: Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security Sam, To ensure unimpeded information sharing and discussion, the Security Track will not be broadcast or recorded. I apologise for the inconvenience. Regards, Krassimir On Sun, Sep 30, 2018, 1:05 PM Sam Oduor mailto:sam.od...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Any online link available for remote participation or viewing ? On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 7:46 PM Krassimir Tzvetanov mailto:mailli...@krassi.biz>> wrote: Hello Everyone, I wanted to attract your attention to the Security Track this coming NANOG. We'll be meeting on Tuesday morning and the line up looks like this: * Andre Toonk - examples of hijacks, other ideas * Alexander Azimov - State of BGP Security * David Wishnick - ARIN TAL * Job Snijders - Routing security roadmap * Chris Morrow - So I need to start filtering routes from peers...' and 'hey guess who needs to update their IRR data?' Time permitting at the end of the time slot we'll have a panel and time for duscussion as well. Regards, Krassi -- Samson Oduor
Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security
Sam, To ensure unimpeded information sharing and discussion, the Security Track will not be broadcast or recorded. I apologise for the inconvenience. Regards, Krassimir On Sun, Sep 30, 2018, 1:05 PM Sam Oduor wrote: > Hi > > Any online link available for remote participation or viewing ? > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 7:46 PM Krassimir Tzvetanov > wrote: > >> Hello Everyone, >> >> I wanted to attract your attention to the Security Track this coming >> NANOG. We'll be meeting on Tuesday morning and the line up looks like this: >> * Andre Toonk - examples of hijacks, other ideas >> * Alexander Azimov - State of BGP Security >> * David Wishnick - ARIN TAL >> * Job Snijders - Routing security roadmap >> * Chris Morrow - So I need to start filtering routes from peers...' and >> 'hey guess who needs to update their IRR data?' >> >> Time permitting at the end of the time slot we'll have a panel and time >> for duscussion as well. >> >> Regards, >> Krassi >> >> > > -- > Samson Oduor >
Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security
Hi Any online link available for remote participation or viewing ? On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 7:46 PM Krassimir Tzvetanov wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I wanted to attract your attention to the Security Track this coming > NANOG. We'll be meeting on Tuesday morning and the line up looks like this: > * Andre Toonk - examples of hijacks, other ideas > * Alexander Azimov - State of BGP Security > * David Wishnick - ARIN TAL > * Job Snijders - Routing security roadmap > * Chris Morrow - So I need to start filtering routes from peers...' and > 'hey guess who needs to update their IRR data?' > > Time permitting at the end of the time slot we'll have a panel and time > for duscussion as well. > > Regards, > Krassi > > -- Samson Oduor
Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security
Hello Everyone, I wanted to attract your attention to the Security Track this coming NANOG. We'll be meeting on Tuesday morning and the line up looks like this: * Andre Toonk - examples of hijacks, other ideas * Alexander Azimov - State of BGP Security * David Wishnick - ARIN TAL * Job Snijders - Routing security roadmap * Chris Morrow - So I need to start filtering routes from peers...' and 'hey guess who needs to update their IRR data?' Time permitting at the end of the time slot we'll have a panel and time for duscussion as well. Regards, Krassi