Re: Nanog Mentioned in TED Video: Jonathan Zittrain

2009-10-25 Thread Owen DeLong


On Oct 24, 2009, at 6:59 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:


On Oct 24, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote:


Remember when youtube went down?
Mr. Zittrain briefly mentions nanog during his TED talk in July 2009.

http://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_zittrain_the_web_is_a_random_act_of_kindness.html


Been discussed.

He's obviously wrong about some things.  No one does anything  
without getting paid.  But he is kinda right in some ways too.



Lots of us actually do lots of things without getting paid.

We also do some things for which we get paid.

Owen




Re: Nanog Mentioned in TED Video: Jonathan Zittrain

2009-10-25 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore

On Oct 25, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:

On Oct 24, 2009, at 6:59 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:

On Oct 24, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote:


Remember when youtube went down?
Mr. Zittrain briefly mentions nanog during his TED talk in July  
2009.


http://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_zittrain_the_web_is_a_random_act_of_kindness.html


Been discussed.

He's obviously wrong about some things.  No one does anything  
without getting paid.  But he is kinda right in some ways too.



Lots of us actually do lots of things without getting paid.


Mea culpa!  You are (most obviously) correct.

I meant to say no one passes a packet without getting paid,  
specifically in response to his passing the beer in the stadium analogy.


While it is true there are a few packets passed without payment, I'm  
pretty sure it's 0% of the total, to several decimal places.


Thank you for pointing out my error.

--
TTFN,
patrick



We also do some things for which we get paid.

Owen






Re: Nanog Mentioned in TED Video: Jonathan Zittrain

2009-10-25 Thread Owen DeLong


On Oct 25, 2009, at 5:56 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:


On Oct 25, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:

On Oct 24, 2009, at 6:59 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:

On Oct 24, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote:


Remember when youtube went down?
Mr. Zittrain briefly mentions nanog during his TED talk in July  
2009.


http://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_zittrain_the_web_is_a_random_act_of_kindness.html


Been discussed.

He's obviously wrong about some things.  No one does anything  
without getting paid.  But he is kinda right in some ways too.



Lots of us actually do lots of things without getting paid.


Mea culpa!  You are (most obviously) correct.

I meant to say no one passes a packet without getting paid,  
specifically in response to his passing the beer in the stadium  
analogy.


Hurricane Electric offers free IPv6 transit to virtually anyone. We  
also provide IPv4 transit for free to a number of non-profit and

community benefit organizations.

While it is true there are a few packets passed without payment, I'm  
pretty sure it's 0% of the total, to several decimal places.


Maybe 2 or 3 decimal places, but, I honestly don't have the exact  
statistic.


Owen



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Nanog Mentioned in TED Video: Jonathan Zittrain

2009-10-24 Thread Israel Lopez-LISTS

Remember when youtube went down?
Mr. Zittrain briefly mentions nanog during his TED talk in July 2009.

http://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_zittrain_the_web_is_a_random_act_of_kindness.html

Enjoy.




Re: Nanog Mentioned in TED Video: Jonathan Zittrain

2009-10-24 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore

On Oct 24, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote:


Remember when youtube went down?
Mr. Zittrain briefly mentions nanog during his TED talk in July 2009.

http://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_zittrain_the_web_is_a_random_act_of_kindness.html


Been discussed.

He's obviously wrong about some things.  No one does anything without  
getting paid.  But he is kinda right in some ways too.


--
TTFN,
patrick