Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Mehmet Akcin]

thank you for reaching out offlist.

We've received our core switching hardware (thank you Arista for donating
these) and identified 5-7 potential different sites which we can be
colocated, however, we will start with two that are diversely connected
with each other. somewhere others can go deploy 1-2 rack deployments,
easily.

what do we need now? we will go to Puerto Rico and go rack
hardware/servers/cable etc if you have any way to help (you might be living
there, etc.. feel free to reach out)

an IX without networks to peer is well not an IX. so if you are able to
make deployments using 1-2rack unit servers, or even virtual servers (DNS,
etc..) feel free to contact me offlist. We would like to have in general,
root-servers, TLDs, CDN caches, etc. these all peer with ix.

regarding costs of ix - we will be following a model where "members share
all costs", at the beginning our ultimate goal is to keep these costs to an
absolute minimum. Any other recommendations, please feel free to reach
offlist. next, I hope to share some peering utilization numbers. 

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 2:18 PM Mehmet Akcin  wrote:

> Hey there, just a very brief update
>
> We are in the process of RE-launching Internet Exchange in San Juan,
> Puerto Rico in a few weeks. We've got multiple networks in San Juan agreed
> to join the IX in a common neutral point.  If you are able to help with the
> project or interested in learning more about it, please contact me offlist.
> (especially if you are in Puerto rico)
>
> Once everything is operational and the website is set up, I hope to
> contact back and update once we've got mrtg, etc is operational.
>
> thank you
>

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Bill Woodcock]

.Org, .pr, and a couple of root letters should be on our Puerto Rico node 
already, along with several hundred other TLDs. 

-Bill


> On Jul 6, 2019, at 17:00, Rubens Kuhl  wrote:
> 
> 
> It would be interesting if ICANN, Verisign and Afilias were able to join the 
> IX as well making the root and .com/.net/.org/.pr zones available even if the 
> island is cut off from the globe. There is so much fixation in bits per 
> second while IX'es are resiliency tools, more than bandwidth saving tools. 
> 
> 
> Rubens
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:19 PM Mehmet Akcin  wrote:
>> Hey there, just a very brief update
>> 
>> We are in the process of RE-launching Internet Exchange in San Juan, Puerto 
>> Rico in a few weeks. We've got multiple networks in San Juan agreed to join 
>> the IX in a common neutral point.  If you are able to help with the project 
>> or interested in learning more about it, please contact me offlist. 
>> (especially if you are in Puerto rico)
>> 
>> Once everything is operational and the website is set up, I hope to contact 
>> back and update once we've got mrtg, etc is operational.
>> 
>> thank you

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[cyrus ramirez via NANOG]

I'm interested as well.
Cyrus Ramirez

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:01 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote:   
It would be interesting if ICANN, Verisign and Afilias were able to join the IX 
as well making the root and .com/.net/.org/.pr zones available even if the 
island is cut off from the globe. There is so much fixation in bits per second 
while IX'es are resiliency tools, more than bandwidth saving tools. 

Rubens

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:19 PM Mehmet Akcin  wrote:

Hey there, just a very brief update
We are in the process of RE-launching Internet Exchange in San Juan, Puerto 
Rico in a few weeks. We've got multiple networks in San Juan agreed to join the 
IX in a common neutral point.  If you are able to help with the project or 
interested in learning more about it, please contact me offlist. (especially if 
you are in Puerto rico)
Once everything is operational and the website is set up, I hope to contact 
back and update once we've got mrtg, etc is operational.
thank you
  

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Rubens Kuhl]

It would be interesting if ICANN, Verisign and Afilias were able to join
the IX as well making the root and .com/.net/.org/.pr zones available even
if the island is cut off from the globe. There is so much fixation in bits
per second while IX'es are resiliency tools, more than bandwidth saving
tools.


Rubens


On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:19 PM Mehmet Akcin  wrote:

> Hey there, just a very brief update
>
> We are in the process of RE-launching Internet Exchange in San Juan,
> Puerto Rico in a few weeks. We've got multiple networks in San Juan agreed
> to join the IX in a common neutral point.  If you are able to help with the
> project or interested in learning more about it, please contact me offlist.
> (especially if you are in Puerto rico)
>
> Once everything is operational and the website is set up, I hope to
> contact back and update once we've got mrtg, etc is operational.
>
> thank you
>

Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Mehmet Akcin]

Hey there, just a very brief update

We are in the process of RE-launching Internet Exchange in San Juan, Puerto
Rico in a few weeks. We've got multiple networks in San Juan agreed to join
the IX in a common neutral point.  If you are able to help with the project
or interested in learning more about it, please contact me offlist.
(especially if you are in Puerto rico)

Once everything is operational and the website is set up, I hope to contact
back and update once we've got mrtg, etc is operational.

thank you

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Mehmet Akcin]

Nikos

Thank you for your valuable feedback. We will make this happen! Looking
forward to your further support

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 2:32 PM Nikos Mouat  wrote:

>
> Hi Mehmet -
> You mention the SIX so I figured I'd chime in on this thread, despite
> being
> an old one.
> We were in a similar situation in early 1997 - Seattle was a backwoods
> as far
> as internet infrastructure, with the nearest hub of activity being
> Mae-West /
> PAIX, and not a whole lot else in our neck of the woods. We had tried to
> build
> some momentum with a T1/Frame-relay based multi-point peering fabric which
> came
> online in early '96, but it never got past 5 or 6 participants and didn't
> get
> much traction with some providers in the region.
> We had talked about doing an ethernet based exchange in the Westin,
> and the
> University of Washington had started talking about building the SNNAP
> (Seattle
> Network to Network Access Point) which started up a mailing list in early
> '97,
> but it seemed to always be just over the horizon. (It eventually launched
> as the
> Pacific Northwest Gigapop, but not until much later, and focused on
> research and
> education orgs).
> When Chris and I were sitting together at Nanog 10, Bill Manning gave a
> couple presentations - "International Exchange Points: Growth & Trends" and
> "Large & Small Exchange Points: Advantages,Tradeoffs, Futures", and one of
> his
> key points was something along the lines of "any exchange point with 3 or
> more
> participants is a successful exchange point". This was ultimately the final
> nudge that was needed to convince us to start the peering point, and
> shortly
> after we got back from Tampa we threw a hub in on a port I was using for a
> private peering session and we were in business. We've grown a lot since
> then,
> certainly the emergence of Seattle as a key content market helped a lot,
> but I
> think you can draw some parallels.
> If you measure success as having three participants peering, and you
> find a
> way to get off the ground with minimal costs (or as in our case, none at
> all),
> it's easy to succeed in a not-for-profit model.
> My advice to you is to not worry about if any out of region folks are
> going
> to show up - find a space that folks operating in the region can get to
> easily,
> build something that is inexpensive to keep online, keep it simple, and
> get 3
> participants. Once you're there - look for the 4th, and so on.
>
> Good luck,
> Nikos
>
>
>
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018, Mehmet Akcin wrote:
>
> > It has been little over a year and we have been working on launching an
> > internet exchange in puerto rico but of course hurricane and other things
> > got in the way of achieving this.
> >
> > We now have identified what we believe the right location (most of the
> > isp’s have presence in this location) backbone/ip transit connectivity,
> > local team to provide onsite support.
> >
> > Having said that We have been engaged with several content delivery
> > networks, OTTs but general feedback was that Puerto Rico was not on their
> > radar for 2018 hence delayed launch. Now we are talking to same players
> > about 2019 but general answer seemed like people were satisfied enough to
> > serve Puerto Rico from Miami.
> >
> > Perhaps we are talking to really big CDNs, OTTs and we should engage
> > differently however the level of interest is very low and I really don’t
> > want to “build and they will come” again ;-)
> >
> > Bottom line is, if there was an IXP in Puerto Rico similar to ones in
> > Florida, I am trying to understand who would actually deploy (just speak
> to
> > your company only please) because most of my assumptions were proven
> wrong
> > ;-)
> >
> > I guess I want to ask two questions, given its location in caribbean,
> does
> > Puerto Rico need an internet exchange point? Would you join it?(it will
> be
> > a membership based IXP where members share cost)
> >
> > Mehmet
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 4:27 AM Mehmet Akcin  wrote:
> >
> >> Hey there!
> >>
> >> ... ok this time I am not going to call it PRIX ;) well name doesn't
> >> matter really. Nearly 13 years ago I have attempted to start Puerto rico
> >> Internet exchange in San Juan. I have lived there over 5 years and i
> just
> >> wanted to really watch videos faster. The project somewhat died when i
> >> moved to LA but now there are few interested party to start an internet
> >> exchange in Puerto rico. The jsland historically

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Nikos Mouat]

Hi Mehmet -
   You mention the SIX so I figured I'd chime in on this thread, despite being
an old one.
   We were in a similar situation in early 1997 - Seattle was a backwoods as 
far

as internet infrastructure, with the nearest hub of activity being Mae-West /
PAIX, and not a whole lot else in our neck of the woods. We had tried to build
some momentum with a T1/Frame-relay based multi-point peering fabric which came
online in early '96, but it never got past 5 or 6 participants and didn't get
much traction with some providers in the region.
   We had talked about doing an ethernet based exchange in the Westin, and the
University of Washington had started talking about building the SNNAP (Seattle
Network to Network Access Point) which started up a mailing list in early '97,
but it seemed to always be just over the horizon. (It eventually launched as 
the
Pacific Northwest Gigapop, but not until much later, and focused on research 
and

education orgs).
   When Chris and I were sitting together at Nanog 10, Bill Manning gave a
couple presentations - "International Exchange Points: Growth & Trends" and
"Large & Small Exchange Points: Advantages,Tradeoffs, Futures", and one of his
key points was something along the lines of "any exchange point with 3 or more
participants is a successful exchange point". This was ultimately the final
nudge that was needed to convince us to start the peering point, and shortly
after we got back from Tampa we threw a hub in on a port I was using for a
private peering session and we were in business. We've grown a lot since then,
certainly the emergence of Seattle as a key content market helped a lot, but I
think you can draw some parallels.
   If you measure success as having three participants peering, and you find a
way to get off the ground with minimal costs (or as in our case, none at all),
it's easy to succeed in a not-for-profit model.
   My advice to you is to not worry about if any out of region folks are going
to show up - find a space that folks operating in the region can get to easily,
build something that is inexpensive to keep online, keep it simple, and get 3
participants. Once you're there - look for the 4th, and so on.

Good luck,
Nikos



On Thu, 13 Sep 2018, Mehmet Akcin wrote:


 It has been little over a year and we have been working on launching an
 internet exchange in puerto rico but of course hurricane and other things
 got in the way of achieving this.

 We now have identified what we believe the right location (most of the
 isp’s have presence in this location) backbone/ip transit connectivity,
 local team to provide onsite support.

 Having said that We have been engaged with several content delivery
 networks, OTTs but general feedback was that Puerto Rico was not on their
 radar for 2018 hence delayed launch. Now we are talking to same players
 about 2019 but general answer seemed like people were satisfied enough to
 serve Puerto Rico from Miami.

 Perhaps we are talking to really big CDNs, OTTs and we should engage
 differently however the level of interest is very low and I really don’t
 want to “build and they will come” again ;-)

 Bottom line is, if there was an IXP in Puerto Rico similar to ones in
 Florida, I am trying to understand who would actually deploy (just speak to
 your company only please) because most of my assumptions were proven wrong
 ;-)

 I guess I want to ask two questions, given its location in caribbean, does
 Puerto Rico need an internet exchange point? Would you join it?(it will be
 a membership based IXP where members share cost)

 Mehmet

 On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 4:27 AM Mehmet Akcin  wrote:


 Hey there!

 ... ok this time I am not going to call it PRIX ;) well name doesn't
 matter really. Nearly 13 years ago I have attempted to start Puerto rico
 Internet exchange in San Juan. I have lived there over 5 years and i just
 wanted to really watch videos faster. The project somewhat died when i
 moved to LA but now there are few interested party to start an internet
 exchange in Puerto rico. The jsland historically had one of the slowest
 broadband/internet services which seemed to have improved in recent years
 however as of 2017 there still is not an IX in Puerto rico.

 We , 3-4 internet engineers (on island and remote) , want to look into
 relaunch of this IX and hopefully find a way to keep local traffic
 exchanged at high speeds and low cost. We need expertise, and people who
 want to help any way they can.

 We are trying to make this IX a not-for-profit one and we are looking at
 opeeating models to adapt which has worked incredibly well like Seattle IX.

 We are hoping the relaunch to happen sometime in 2018. Thanks in advance
 hope to share more info and traffic data sometime , soon. Watch this space!

 Mehmet


 --
 Mehmet
 +1-424-298-1903

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Mehmet Akcin]

Thank you very much everyone for so many private and public responses.

We've setup a smaller and focused discussion group for the parties
interested in discussing Puerto Rico Internet Exchange Project. You can
subscribe here https://groups.google.com/a/puertorico-ix.com . I have
received some tremendous private support to proceed with this project and
we will do so, trying our best.

mehmet



On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 12:29 AM Frank Habicht  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 14/09/2018 16:08, Sander Steffann wrote:
> >> In general an IX only makes sense when there are local resources to
> >> exchange. It doesn’t seem like PR has a lot of, if any, content
> >> providers of its own, so most consumer content is coming from
> >> offshore anyway.
> >
> > This can also work the other way: once there is a local IXP, it can
> > open opportunities for local content providers.
> >
> > Cheers, Sander
>
> I'd also think that if there is sufficient local motivation, the local
> guys should get something started for their own purposes.
>
> And that would maybe not immediately include "big content", but it would
> keep their own domestic traffic local. So even if it's not lots of
> Gigabits immediately, even if the latency "penalty" without local
> peering isn't that big, it would still cost them something to pass
> traffic through the water, and a local IXP should be cheaper if run with
> low overhead...
>
> Establishing an "aggregation point" would be the first step, and then
> outsiders can see what's possible there.
>
> Frank
> not knowing much about the specific environment
>

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Frank Habicht]

Hi,

On 14/09/2018 16:08, Sander Steffann wrote:

In general an IX only makes sense when there are local resources to
exchange. It doesn’t seem like PR has a lot of, if any, content
providers of its own, so most consumer content is coming from
offshore anyway.


This can also work the other way: once there is a local IXP, it can
open opportunities for local content providers.

Cheers, Sander


I'd also think that if there is sufficient local motivation, the local 
guys should get something started for their own purposes.


And that would maybe not immediately include "big content", but it would 
keep their own domestic traffic local. So even if it's not lots of 
Gigabits immediately, even if the latency "penalty" without local 
peering isn't that big, it would still cost them something to pass 
traffic through the water, and a local IXP should be cheaper if run with 
low overhead...


Establishing an "aggregation point" would be the first step, and then 
outsiders can see what's possible there.


Frank
not knowing much about the specific environment

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Darin Steffl]

What is the average latency from the mainland to PR? If it's under 10ms,
there's probably not a huge push for a local IX.

But to compare to our IX in Minnesota, we are within 8ms of Chicago and we
certainly didn't need one here but a group of guys got together some
donations and donated rack space, power, etc. And now we have a very busy
IX with most of the big players on it. I think we push almost 211 gbps at
peak.

So our model was a "build it and they will come" and it worked great. It's
very popular and many content providers and ISP's are peered here including
us.

Our exchange has since started charging port fees but it was free to join
for the longest time.

http://micemn.net

On Fri, Sep 14, 2018, 8:57 AM Mel Beckman  wrote:

> Mike,
>
> But why would you want, as a content provider, to have your content hosted
> on the island? Backhauling it over fiber is no big deal across the short
> distances involved. As far as I can tell, PR has a glut of ocean floor
> fiber capacity, just installed a couple years ago. We're not talking stock
> market trades here, where milliseconds matter. We're talking Netflix movie
> reruns, which could be easily delivered with seconds of latency.
>
> Those who hold to the "if you build it they will come" business model
> forget that that model was a fantasy in a movie.
>
> A movie currently being streamed to PR without difficulty :-)
>
> -mel via cell
>
> On Sep 14, 2018, at 6:14 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> Agreed. Very chicken or the egg. Any recently formed IX is largely a
> conduit for big content to connect to local eyeballs. As some critical mass
> of eyeballs is achieved, local content is interested as are large networks
> like Hurricane Electric.
>
> In the case of PR, if there are no local content providers, an IX provides
> an avenue for one to form to connect to other operators on the island,
> avoiding underwater cables to the mainland. If I were a company in PR, I'd
> want my web site and other services hosted in PR, not Miami or Virginia.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Sander Steffann" 
> *To: *"Mel Beckman" 
> *Cc: *"nanog" 
> *Sent: *Friday, September 14, 2018 8:08:58 AM
> *Subject: *Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange
>
> Hi,
>
> > In general an IX only makes sense when there are local resources to
> exchange. It doesn’t seem like PR has a lot of, if any, content providers
> of its own, so most consumer content is coming from offshore anyway.
>
> This can also work the other way: once there is a local IXP, it can open
> opportunities for local content providers.
>
> Cheers,
> Sander
>
>
>

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Mel Beckman]

Mike,

But why would you want, as a content provider, to have your content hosted on 
the island? Backhauling it over fiber is no big deal across the short distances 
involved. As far as I can tell, PR has a glut of ocean floor fiber capacity, 
just installed a couple years ago. We're not talking stock market trades here, 
where milliseconds matter. We're talking Netflix movie reruns, which could be 
easily delivered with seconds of latency.

Those who hold to the "if you build it they will come" business model forget 
that that model was a fantasy in a movie.

A movie currently being streamed to PR without difficulty :-)

-mel via cell

On Sep 14, 2018, at 6:14 AM, Mike Hammett 
mailto:na...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

Agreed. Very chicken or the egg. Any recently formed IX is largely a conduit 
for big content to connect to local eyeballs. As some critical mass of eyeballs 
is achieved, local content is interested as are large networks like Hurricane 
Electric.

In the case of PR, if there are no local content providers, an IX provides an 
avenue for one to form to connect to other operators on the island, avoiding 
underwater cables to the mainland. If I were a company in PR, I'd want my web 
site and other services hosted in PR, not Miami or Virginia.



-
Mike Hammett
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From: "Sander Steffann" mailto:san...@steffann.nl>>
To: "Mel Beckman" mailto:m...@beckman.org>>
Cc: "nanog" mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 8:08:58 AM
Subject: Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

Hi,

> In general an IX only makes sense when there are local resources to exchange. 
> It doesn’t seem like PR has a lot of, if any, content providers of its own, 
> so most consumer content is coming from offshore anyway.

This can also work the other way: once there is a local IXP, it can open 
opportunities for local content providers.

Cheers,
Sander

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Sander Steffann]

Hi,

> In general an IX only makes sense when there are local resources to exchange. 
> It doesn’t seem like PR has a lot of, if any, content providers of its own, 
> so most consumer content is coming from offshore anyway.

This can also work the other way: once there is a local IXP, it can open 
opportunities for local content providers.

Cheers,
Sander

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Ben Cannon]

Our SF2 facility’s IXP has a Netflix OpenFiler; https://openconnect.netflix.com 
 

That alone might be worth an XC/IXP.  

Even where bandwidth is available, it can still be prohibitively expensive - 
conversely lowering costs could translate to lowered fees to customers.

-Ben.


> On Sep 13, 2018, at 2:32 PM, Mel Beckman  wrote:
> 
> Mehmet,
> 
> In general an IX only makes sense when there are local resources to exchange. 
> It doesn’t seem like PR has a lot of, if any, content providers of its own, 
> so most consumer content is coming from offshore anyway. Given modern DWDM 
> fiber, backhauling all that content shouldn’t be an issue. I recall that in 
> mid-2015 PR landed the "most advanced undersea fiber-optic cable in the 
> Caribbean and Central America”, uniting a total of seven countries and 
> territories. The head end was at Telephonica’s data center. I remember in 
> your Nanog talk ten years ago that you felt that peer-to-peer file sharing 
> and VoIP were major bandwidth consumers, but I’ve never seen the actual 
> statistics for that. But even if that’s the case, the small number of ISPs 
> should be able to form and fund their own IX given a business need. 
> 
> I’ve done work in the Dominican Republic, and they’re in a similar situation, 
> with no real business interest in an IX.
> 
> You asked a pointed question: given its location, is an IX in PR necessary? I 
> know you’re invested a ton of time and effort in making a PR exchange work, 
> but I think you may already have the answer, given the low interest. That 
> answer seems to be “no”. 
> 
> Of course, if you can get some major content provider buy-n, that might make 
> the business case more solid. 
> 
>  -mel
> 
> 
>> On Sep 13, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Mehmet Akcin > <mailto:meh...@akcin.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> It has been little over a year and we have been working on launching an 
>> internet exchange in puerto rico but of course hurricane and other things 
>> got in the way of achieving this.
>> 
>> We now have identified what we believe the right location (most of the isp’s 
>> have presence in this location) backbone/ip transit connectivity, local team 
>> to provide onsite support. 
>> 
>> Having said that We have been engaged with several content delivery 
>> networks, OTTs but general feedback was that Puerto Rico was not on their 
>> radar for 2018 hence delayed launch. Now we are talking to same players 
>> about 2019 but general answer seemed like people were satisfied enough to 
>> serve Puerto Rico from Miami.
>> 
>> Perhaps we are talking to really big CDNs, OTTs and we should engage 
>> differently however the level of interest is very low and I really don’t 
>> want to “build and they will come” again ;-) 
>> 
>> Bottom line is, if there was an IXP in Puerto Rico similar to ones in 
>> Florida, I am trying to understand who would actually deploy (just speak to 
>> your company only please) because most of my assumptions were proven wrong 
>> ;-)
>> 
>> I guess I want to ask two questions, given its location in caribbean, does 
>> Puerto Rico need an internet exchange point? Would you join it?(it will be a 
>> membership based IXP where members share cost)
>> 
>> Mehmet
>> 
>> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 4:27 AM Mehmet Akcin > <mailto:meh...@akcin.net>> wrote:
>> Hey there! 
>> 
>> ... ok this time I am not going to call it PRIX ;) well name doesn't matter 
>> really. Nearly 13 years ago I have attempted to start Puerto rico Internet 
>> exchange in San Juan. I have lived there over 5 years and i just wanted to 
>> really watch videos faster. The project somewhat died when i moved to LA but 
>> now there are few interested party to start an internet exchange in Puerto 
>> rico. The jsland historically had one of the slowest broadband/internet 
>> services which seemed to have improved in recent years however as of 2017 
>> there still is not an IX in Puerto rico. 
>> 
>> We , 3-4 internet engineers (on island and remote) , want to look into 
>> relaunch of this IX and hopefully find a way to keep local traffic exchanged 
>> at high speeds and low cost. We need expertise, and people who want to help 
>> any way they can. 
>> 
>> We are trying to make this IX a not-for-profit one and we are looking at 
>> opeeating models to adapt which has worked incredibly well like Seattle IX.
>> 
>> We are hoping the relaunch to happen sometime in 2018. Thanks in advance 
>> hope to share more info and traffic data sometime , soon. Watch this space!
>> 
>> Mehmet
>> -- 
>> Mehmet
>> +1-424-298-1903
> 

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Mel Beckman]

Mehmet,

In general an IX only makes sense when there are local resources to exchange. 
It doesn’t seem like PR has a lot of, if any, content providers of its own, so 
most consumer content is coming from offshore anyway. Given modern DWDM fiber, 
backhauling all that content shouldn’t be an issue. I recall that in mid-2015 
PR landed the "most advanced undersea fiber-optic cable in the Caribbean and 
Central America”, uniting a total of seven countries and territories. The head 
end was at Telephonica’s data center. I remember in your Nanog talk ten years 
ago that you felt that peer-to-peer file sharing and VoIP were major bandwidth 
consumers, but I’ve never seen the actual statistics for that. But even if 
that’s the case, the small number of ISPs should be able to form and fund their 
own IX given a business need.

I’ve done work in the Dominican Republic, and they’re in a similar situation, 
with no real business interest in an IX.

You asked a pointed question: given its location, is an IX in PR necessary? I 
know you’re invested a ton of time and effort in making a PR exchange work, but 
I think you may already have the answer, given the low interest. That answer 
seems to be “no”.

Of course, if you can get some major content provider buy-n, that might make 
the business case more solid.

 -mel


On Sep 13, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Mehmet Akcin 
mailto:meh...@akcin.net>> wrote:

It has been little over a year and we have been working on launching an 
internet exchange in puerto rico but of course hurricane and other things got 
in the way of achieving this.

We now have identified what we believe the right location (most of the isp’s 
have presence in this location) backbone/ip transit connectivity, local team to 
provide onsite support.

Having said that We have been engaged with several content delivery networks, 
OTTs but general feedback was that Puerto Rico was not on their radar for 2018 
hence delayed launch. Now we are talking to same players about 2019 but general 
answer seemed like people were satisfied enough to serve Puerto Rico from Miami.

Perhaps we are talking to really big CDNs, OTTs and we should engage 
differently however the level of interest is very low and I really don’t want 
to “build and they will come” again ;-)

Bottom line is, if there was an IXP in Puerto Rico similar to ones in Florida, 
I am trying to understand who would actually deploy (just speak to your company 
only please) because most of my assumptions were proven wrong ;-)

I guess I want to ask two questions, given its location in caribbean, does 
Puerto Rico need an internet exchange point? Would you join it?(it will be a 
membership based IXP where members share cost)

Mehmet

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 4:27 AM Mehmet Akcin 
mailto:meh...@akcin.net>> wrote:
Hey there!

... ok this time I am not going to call it PRIX ;) well name doesn't matter 
really. Nearly 13 years ago I have attempted to start Puerto rico Internet 
exchange in San Juan. I have lived there over 5 years and i just wanted to 
really watch videos faster. The project somewhat died when i moved to LA but 
now there are few interested party to start an internet exchange in Puerto 
rico. The jsland historically had one of the slowest broadband/internet 
services which seemed to have improved in recent years however as of 2017 there 
still is not an IX in Puerto rico.

We , 3-4 internet engineers (on island and remote) , want to look into relaunch 
of this IX and hopefully find a way to keep local traffic exchanged at high 
speeds and low cost. We need expertise, and people who want to help any way 
they can.

We are trying to make this IX a not-for-profit one and we are looking at 
opeeating models to adapt which has worked incredibly well like Seattle IX.

We are hoping the relaunch to happen sometime in 2018. Thanks in advance hope 
to share more info and traffic data sometime , soon. Watch this space!

Mehmet
--
Mehmet
+1-424-298-1903

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Joel Jaeggli]

> On Sep 13, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Mehmet Akcin  wrote:
> 
> It has been little over a year and we have been working on launching an 
> internet exchange in puerto rico but of course hurricane and other things got 
> in the way of achieving this.
> 
> We now have identified what we believe the right location (most of the isp’s 
> have presence in this location) backbone/ip transit connectivity, local team 
> to provide onsite support.
> 
> Having said that We have been engaged with several content delivery networks, 
> OTTs but general feedback was that Puerto Rico was not on their radar for 
> 2018 hence delayed launch. Now we are talking to same players about 2019 but 
> general answer seemed like people were satisfied enough to serve Puerto Rico 
> from Miami.
> 
> Perhaps we are talking to really big CDNs, OTTs and we should engage 
> differently however the level of interest is very low and I really don’t want 
> to “build and they will come” again ;-)
> 
> Bottom line is, if there was an IXP in Puerto Rico similar to ones in 
> Florida, I am trying to understand who would actually deploy (just speak to 
> your company only please) because most of my assumptions were proven wrong ;-)
> 
> I guess I want to ask two questions, given its location in caribbean, does 
> Puerto Rico need an internet exchange point? Would you join it?(it will be a 
> membership based IXP where members share cost)

Looking at it in my mind,  the decision point is really about how much traffic 
can be served by being there. It took a long time to recover to pre-hurricane 
levels. I would hope in the longer term that it’s a growth story and makes that 
more compelling, actually having a destination to put equipment in  and reach 
peers helps of course.

Having any anycast service, to me it looks like Puerto Rico has significant 
connectivity landing places other than Miami. Most likely due to America Movil 
MAC and PCCS or other landings in the US/BVI. We we see Puerto Rican networks 
reach us in Atlanta, DC area and even New York.


> 
> Mehmet
> 
> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 4:27 AM Mehmet Akcin  <mailto:meh...@akcin.net>> wrote:
> Hey there!
> 
> ... ok this time I am not going to call it PRIX ;) well name doesn't matter 
> really. Nearly 13 years ago I have attempted to start Puerto rico Internet 
> exchange in San Juan. I have lived there over 5 years and i just wanted to 
> really watch videos faster. The project somewhat died when i moved to LA but 
> now there are few interested party to start an internet exchange in Puerto 
> rico. The jsland historically had one of the slowest broadband/internet 
> services which seemed to have improved in recent years however as of 2017 
> there still is not an IX in Puerto rico.
> 
> We , 3-4 internet engineers (on island and remote) , want to look into 
> relaunch of this IX and hopefully find a way to keep local traffic exchanged 
> at high speeds and low cost. We need expertise, and people who want to help 
> any way they can.
> 
> We are trying to make this IX a not-for-profit one and we are looking at 
> opeeating models to adapt which has worked incredibly well like Seattle IX.
> 
> We are hoping the relaunch to happen sometime in 2018. Thanks in advance hope 
> to share more info and traffic data sometime , soon. Watch this space!
> 
> Mehmet
> --
> Mehmet
> +1-424-298-1903



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RE: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[James Breeden]

Mehmet,

My opinion to you (and I have no network in the Carribbean or interest in it 
other than a purely academic and technical exercise)  would be that you guys go 
ahead and start, even if you just initially split the cost of the switch and 
interfaces to peer among yourselves. Once you get a base established of a lot 
of routes available, it may give you better “clout” for getting some larger 
players to connect to your IX or at least help sponsor an extension over 
transport to a Miami reach?

Just thinking aloud.


James W. Breeden
Managing Partner

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From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Mehmet Akcin
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 3:27 PM
To: nanog 
Subject: Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

It has been little over a year and we have been working on launching an 
internet exchange in puerto rico but of course hurricane and other things got 
in the way of achieving this.

We now have identified what we believe the right location (most of the isp’s 
have presence in this location) backbone/ip transit connectivity, local team to 
provide onsite support.

Having said that We have been engaged with several content delivery networks, 
OTTs but general feedback was that Puerto Rico was not on their radar for 2018 
hence delayed launch. Now we are talking to same players about 2019 but general 
answer seemed like people were satisfied enough to serve Puerto Rico from Miami.

Perhaps we are talking to really big CDNs, OTTs and we should engage 
differently however the level of interest is very low and I really don’t want 
to “build and they will come” again ;-)

Bottom line is, if there was an IXP in Puerto Rico similar to ones in Florida, 
I am trying to understand who would actually deploy (just speak to your company 
only please) because most of my assumptions were proven wrong ;-)

I guess I want to ask two questions, given its location in caribbean, does 
Puerto Rico need an internet exchange point? Would you join it?(it will be a 
membership based IXP where members share cost)

Mehmet

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 4:27 AM Mehmet Akcin 
mailto:meh...@akcin.net>> wrote:
Hey there!

... ok this time I am not going to call it PRIX ;) well name doesn't matter 
really. Nearly 13 years ago I have attempted to start Puerto rico Internet 
exchange in San Juan. I have lived there over 5 years and i just wanted to 
really watch videos faster. The project somewhat died when i moved to LA but 
now there are few interested party to start an internet exchange in Puerto 
rico. The jsland historically had one of the slowest broadband/internet 
services which seemed to have improved in recent years however as of 2017 there 
still is not an IX in Puerto rico.

We , 3-4 internet engineers (on island and remote) , want to look into relaunch 
of this IX and hopefully find a way to keep local traffic exchanged at high 
speeds and low cost. We need expertise, and people who want to help any way 
they can.

We are trying to make this IX a not-for-profit one and we are looking at 
opeeating models to adapt which has worked incredibly well like Seattle IX.

We are hoping the relaunch to happen sometime in 2018. Thanks in advance hope 
to share more info and traffic data sometime , soon. Watch this space!

Mehmet
--
Mehmet
+1-424-298-1903

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Mehmet Akcin]

It has been little over a year and we have been working on launching an
internet exchange in puerto rico but of course hurricane and other things
got in the way of achieving this.

We now have identified what we believe the right location (most of the
isp’s have presence in this location) backbone/ip transit connectivity,
local team to provide onsite support.

Having said that We have been engaged with several content delivery
networks, OTTs but general feedback was that Puerto Rico was not on their
radar for 2018 hence delayed launch. Now we are talking to same players
about 2019 but general answer seemed like people were satisfied enough to
serve Puerto Rico from Miami.

Perhaps we are talking to really big CDNs, OTTs and we should engage
differently however the level of interest is very low and I really don’t
want to “build and they will come” again ;-)

Bottom line is, if there was an IXP in Puerto Rico similar to ones in
Florida, I am trying to understand who would actually deploy (just speak to
your company only please) because most of my assumptions were proven wrong
;-)

I guess I want to ask two questions, given its location in caribbean, does
Puerto Rico need an internet exchange point? Would you join it?(it will be
a membership based IXP where members share cost)

Mehmet

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 4:27 AM Mehmet Akcin  wrote:

> Hey there!
>
> ... ok this time I am not going to call it PRIX ;) well name doesn't
> matter really. Nearly 13 years ago I have attempted to start Puerto rico
> Internet exchange in San Juan. I have lived there over 5 years and i just
> wanted to really watch videos faster. The project somewhat died when i
> moved to LA but now there are few interested party to start an internet
> exchange in Puerto rico. The jsland historically had one of the slowest
> broadband/internet services which seemed to have improved in recent years
> however as of 2017 there still is not an IX in Puerto rico.
>
> We , 3-4 internet engineers (on island and remote) , want to look into
> relaunch of this IX and hopefully find a way to keep local traffic
> exchanged at high speeds and low cost. We need expertise, and people who
> want to help any way they can.
>
> We are trying to make this IX a not-for-profit one and we are looking at
> opeeating models to adapt which has worked incredibly well like Seattle IX.
>
> We are hoping the relaunch to happen sometime in 2018. Thanks in advance
> hope to share more info and traffic data sometime , soon. Watch this space!
>
> Mehmet
>
-- 
Mehmet
+1-424-298-1903

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Bill Woodcock]

> On Jun 5, 2018, at 11:47 AM, Mehmet Akcin  wrote:
> 
> thank you very much to so many people who have reached out providing leads
> , made introductions and followed up offering help.
> 
> I wanted to update the list with the progress we have made so far.
> 
> 1) We've identified several datacenter facilities where networks are
> commonly present and diverse from each other with some additional network
> assets. We will soon be touring these facilities.
> 2) We've talked to backbone and transit providers and got incredible deals
> for this market & caribbean
> 3) We've engaged few "core" Content networks and asked them to join our
> initiative (Great interest here but we need more.)
> 4) Last but not least, we need some people on the island for bootstrapping
> and ongoing support of the IX and the members (this is a challenge, I will
> personally work on resolving by spending 2 weeks in August in Puerto Rico
> both searching & interviewing candidates.
> 5) We were offered some hardware donations but they are fairly old

PCH is always willing to donate new equipment to support any IXP.  We’re 
generally giving out 100G-capable switches for IXPs now.

-Bill



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Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Mehmet Akcin]

thank you very much to so many people who have reached out providing leads
, made introductions and followed up offering help.

I wanted to update the list with the progress we have made so far.

1) We've identified several datacenter facilities where networks are
commonly present and diverse from each other with some additional network
assets. We will soon be touring these facilities.
2) We've talked to backbone and transit providers and got incredible deals
for this market & caribbean
3) We've engaged few "core" Content networks and asked them to join our
initiative (Great interest here but we need more.)
4) Last but not least, we need some people on the island for bootstrapping
and ongoing support of the IX and the members (this is a challenge, I will
personally work on resolving by spending 2 weeks in August in Puerto Rico
both searching & interviewing candidates.
5) We were offered some hardware donations but they are fairly old, and we
are looking for modernish IX equipment that are easy to setup & manage. If
anyone has suggestions please do let me know, I am thinking about just
buying some stuff from Ebay :-)

Anyway, I will be at NANOG Denver and if anyone is interested in speaking
in person please feel free to setup time to discuss this
https://calendly.com/akcin

On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Joly MacFie  wrote:

> Looking forward to updating https://en.wikipedia.
> org/wiki/Internet_Exchange_of_Puerto_Rico :)
>
>
>
>> >>> We are hoping the relaunch to happen sometime in 2018. Thanks in
>> advance
>> >>> hope to share more info and traffic data sometime , soon. Watch this
>> space!
>> >>>
>> >>> Mehmet
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>> --
>> ---
>> Joly MacFie  218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast
>> --
>> -
>>
>

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Joly MacFie]

Looking forward to updating https://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Internet_Exchange_of_Puerto_Rico :)



> >>> We are hoping the relaunch to happen sometime in 2018. Thanks in
> advance
> >>> hope to share more info and traffic data sometime , soon. Watch this
> space!
> >>>
> >>> Mehmet
> >>>
> >>
>
> --
> ---
> Joly MacFie  218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast
> --
> -
>

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Mehmet Akcin]

pardon , correct date is February 5-7, 2018 (apologies for sending twice )

On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Mehmet Akcin <meh...@akcin.net> wrote:

> Update :
>
> Event scheduled tentatively for February 5-7, 2017 in San Juan Puerto Rico!
>
> https://www.facebook.com/events/1968437066707713/?ti=icl
>
> Please confirm if you are able to attend, while we are working on details
> of agenda few highlights I want to share.
>
> High level datacenter intros within PR (15mins per provider, technical
> focus,-not sales-)
>
> Puerto Rico / San Juan network providers intros (cls to dc/dc to dc/dc to
> business) connectivity option providers ( technical not sales, dark fibre,
> waves, etc)
>
> Interneational / out of island capacity providers update.
>
> Peering round tables, local isps meeting with large content providers.
>
> And much more.
>
> If you are interested in contributing Puerto rico internet exchange
> initiative, please contact me directly or via fb.
>
> There is so much interest about this via linkedin/fb/ and nanog. Looking
> forward to support any level from basic accounting to technical ixp setup
> and other peering basics.
>
> Best regards and thank you everyone for supporting in advance
>
> Mehmet
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:50 AM Mehmet Akcin <meh...@akcin.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone!
>>
>> Thank you for 10s of great leads regarding PR and Internet EcoSystem. I
>> am wondering if we were to have a Peering Forum in Puerto Rico, when would
>> be the most preferred time? December, February are two options we have for
>> now.
>>
>> Idea would be to create a day where people who are local and involved in
>> network engineering/operations can meet with those in similar functions
>> outside of the island.
>>
>> Thanks once again for amazing support and leads. We look forward to 2018
>> and the reLaunch.
>>
>> Mehmet
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 9:27 PM Mehmet Akcin <meh...@akcin.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey there!
>>>
>>> ... ok this time I am not going to call it PRIX ;) well name doesn't
>>> matter really. Nearly 13 years ago I have attempted to start Puerto rico
>>> Internet exchange in San Juan. I have lived there over 5 years and i just
>>> wanted to really watch videos faster. The project somewhat died when i
>>> moved to LA but now there are few interested party to start an internet
>>> exchange in Puerto rico. The jsland historically had one of the slowest
>>> broadband/internet services which seemed to have improved in recent years
>>> however as of 2017 there still is not an IX in Puerto rico.
>>>
>>> We , 3-4 internet engineers (on island and remote) , want to look into
>>> relaunch of this IX and hopefully find a way to keep local traffic
>>> exchanged at high speeds and low cost. We need expertise, and people who
>>> want to help any way they can.
>>>
>>> We are trying to make this IX a not-for-profit one and we are looking at
>>> opeeating models to adapt which has worked incredibly well like Seattle IX.
>>>
>>> We are hoping the relaunch to happen sometime in 2018. Thanks in advance
>>> hope to share more info and traffic data sometime , soon. Watch this space!
>>>
>>> Mehmet
>>>
>>

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Mehmet Akcin]

Update :

Event scheduled tentatively for February 5-7, 2017 in San Juan Puerto Rico!

https://www.facebook.com/events/1968437066707713/?ti=icl

Please confirm if you are able to attend, while we are working on details
of agenda few highlights I want to share.

High level datacenter intros within PR (15mins per provider, technical
focus,-not sales-)

Puerto Rico / San Juan network providers intros (cls to dc/dc to dc/dc to
business) connectivity option providers ( technical not sales, dark fibre,
waves, etc)

Interneational / out of island capacity providers update.

Peering round tables, local isps meeting with large content providers.

And much more.

If you are interested in contributing Puerto rico internet exchange
initiative, please contact me directly or via fb.

There is so much interest about this via linkedin/fb/ and nanog. Looking
forward to support any level from basic accounting to technical ixp setup
and other peering basics.

Best regards and thank you everyone for supporting in advance

Mehmet

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:50 AM Mehmet Akcin <meh...@akcin.net> wrote:

> Hi Everyone!
>
> Thank you for 10s of great leads regarding PR and Internet EcoSystem. I am
> wondering if we were to have a Peering Forum in Puerto Rico, when would be
> the most preferred time? December, February are two options we have for
> now.
>
> Idea would be to create a day where people who are local and involved in
> network engineering/operations can meet with those in similar functions
> outside of the island.
>
> Thanks once again for amazing support and leads. We look forward to 2018
> and the reLaunch.
>
> Mehmet
>
> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 9:27 PM Mehmet Akcin <meh...@akcin.net> wrote:
>
>> Hey there!
>>
>> ... ok this time I am not going to call it PRIX ;) well name doesn't
>> matter really. Nearly 13 years ago I have attempted to start Puerto rico
>> Internet exchange in San Juan. I have lived there over 5 years and i just
>> wanted to really watch videos faster. The project somewhat died when i
>> moved to LA but now there are few interested party to start an internet
>> exchange in Puerto rico. The jsland historically had one of the slowest
>> broadband/internet services which seemed to have improved in recent years
>> however as of 2017 there still is not an IX in Puerto rico.
>>
>> We , 3-4 internet engineers (on island and remote) , want to look into
>> relaunch of this IX and hopefully find a way to keep local traffic
>> exchanged at high speeds and low cost. We need expertise, and people who
>> want to help any way they can.
>>
>> We are trying to make this IX a not-for-profit one and we are looking at
>> opeeating models to adapt which has worked incredibly well like Seattle IX.
>>
>> We are hoping the relaunch to happen sometime in 2018. Thanks in advance
>> hope to share more info and traffic data sometime , soon. Watch this space!
>>
>> Mehmet
>>
>

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Mehmet Akcin]

Hi Everyone!

Thank you for 10s of great leads regarding PR and Internet EcoSystem. I am
wondering if we were to have a Peering Forum in Puerto Rico, when would be
the most preferred time? December, February are two options we have for
now.

Idea would be to create a day where people who are local and involved in
network engineering/operations can meet with those in similar functions
outside of the island.

Thanks once again for amazing support and leads. We look forward to 2018
and the reLaunch.

Mehmet

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 9:27 PM Mehmet Akcin <meh...@akcin.net> wrote:

> Hey there!
>
> ... ok this time I am not going to call it PRIX ;) well name doesn't
> matter really. Nearly 13 years ago I have attempted to start Puerto rico
> Internet exchange in San Juan. I have lived there over 5 years and i just
> wanted to really watch videos faster. The project somewhat died when i
> moved to LA but now there are few interested party to start an internet
> exchange in Puerto rico. The jsland historically had one of the slowest
> broadband/internet services which seemed to have improved in recent years
> however as of 2017 there still is not an IX in Puerto rico.
>
> We , 3-4 internet engineers (on island and remote) , want to look into
> relaunch of this IX and hopefully find a way to keep local traffic
> exchanged at high speeds and low cost. We need expertise, and people who
> want to help any way they can.
>
> We are trying to make this IX a not-for-profit one and we are looking at
> opeeating models to adapt which has worked incredibly well like Seattle IX.
>
> We are hoping the relaunch to happen sometime in 2018. Thanks in advance
> hope to share more info and traffic data sometime , soon. Watch this space!
>
> Mehmet
>

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Jeremy Austin]

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Martin Hannigan  wrote:

> Hi Arturo,
>
> Good call. I believe the funds are coming from the USF? (Mike Hammet knows
> more about this than me). I had conversations with multiple congressional
> staffers about using USF funds for IXP development. They're in for good
> projects. The USG and US congress is more than willing to fund IXPs using
> USF funds. Commercial or otherwise, depending on the bnenefits and commits.
>
>
Hi Martin

I'm curious about the mechanism for funding such a thing. Historically the
majority of USF funds have gone to telcos rather than ISPs, if I am not
mistaken.

I'd love to continue this discussion off list if necessary.

-- 
Jeremy Austin

(907) 895-2311 office
(907) 803-5422 cell
jhaus...@gmail.com

Heritage NetWorks
Whitestone Power & Communications
Vertical Broadband, LLC

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Martin Hannigan]

Hi Arturo,

Good call. I believe the funds are coming from the USF? (Mike Hammet knows
more about this than me). I had conversations with multiple congressional
staffers about using USF funds for IXP development. They're in for good
projects. The USG and US congress is more than willing to fund IXPs using
USF funds. Commercial or otherwise, depending on the bnenefits and commits.

I agree, it would be a good vector to work an improved IXP with larger
scale support in Puerto Rico, building on the work Mehmet did with
PR^H^HIX-PR. :-) I remember that conversation here vividly. Still requires
a key location e.g. Power + fiber. Where to?

Econmically, PR is long overdue for a neutral IX, locally organized, that
can make an impact.

Cheers,

-M<



On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 13:56 Arturo Servin <arturo.ser...@gmail.com> wrote:

> What about the PRBI project for an IXP?
>
> I think that is working, possibly it just need a hand. If possible, I would
> like to put my effort in something that is working and improve it rather
> than start something else from scratch.
>
> Regards
> as
>
> On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 at 14:15 Mike Hammett <na...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> > Reach out to Gino Villarini at Aeronet.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >
> > Midwest Internet Exchange
> >
> > The Brothers WISP
> >
> > - Original Message -
> >
> > From: "Mehmet Akcin" <meh...@akcin.net>
> > To: "nanog" <nanog@nanog.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 6:27:57 AM
> > Subject: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange
> >
> > Hey there!
> >
> > ... ok this time I am not going to call it PRIX ;) well name doesn't
> matter
> > really. Nearly 13 years ago I have attempted to start Puerto rico
> Internet
> > exchange in San Juan. I have lived there over 5 years and i just wanted
> to
> > really watch videos faster. The project somewhat died when i moved to LA
> > but now there are few interested party to start an internet exchange in
> > Puerto rico. The jsland historically had one of the slowest
> > broadband/internet services which seemed to have improved in recent years
> > however as of 2017 there still is not an IX in Puerto rico.
> >
> > We , 3-4 internet engineers (on island and remote) , want to look into
> > relaunch of this IX and hopefully find a way to keep local traffic
> > exchanged at high speeds and low cost. We need expertise, and people who
> > want to help any way they can.
> >
> > We are trying to make this IX a not-for-profit one and we are looking at
> > opeeating models to adapt which has worked incredibly well like Seattle
> IX.
> >
> > We are hoping the relaunch to happen sometime in 2018. Thanks in advance
> > hope to share more info and traffic data sometime , soon. Watch this
> space!
> >
> > Mehmet
> >
> >
>

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Mehmet Akcin]

Basically i and second key person moved to california, could't push
politics remotely and project died after couple gigs if traffic getting
exchanged over ixp via few asns

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 1:23 PM William Allen Simpson <
william.allen.simp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 8/12/17 7:27 AM, Mehmet Akcin wrote:
> > Hey there!
> >
> > ... ok this time I am not going to call it PRIX ;)
>
> I thought that was a perfectly good name.
>
> > [...] The jsland historically had one of the slowest
> > broadband/internet services which seemed to have improved in recent years
> > however as of 2017 there still is not an IX in Puerto rico.
> >
> What happened to Internet Exchange of Puerto Rico (ix.pr)?
>
> Run by AS36810?
>
>
> > We , 3-4 internet engineers (on island and remote) , want to look into
> > relaunch of this IX and hopefully find a way to keep local traffic
> > exchanged at high speeds and low cost. We need expertise, and people who
> > want to help any way they can.
> >
> https://www.pch.net/
>
>
> > We are trying to make this IX a not-for-profit one and we are looking at
> > opeeating models to adapt which has worked incredibly well like Seattle
> IX.
> >
> > We are hoping the relaunch to happen sometime in 2018. Thanks in advance
> > hope to share more info and traffic data sometime , soon. Watch this
> space!
> >
>
>

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[William Allen Simpson]

On 8/12/17 7:27 AM, Mehmet Akcin wrote:

Hey there!

... ok this time I am not going to call it PRIX ;) 


I thought that was a perfectly good name.


[...] The jsland historically had one of the slowest
broadband/internet services which seemed to have improved in recent years
however as of 2017 there still is not an IX in Puerto rico.


What happened to Internet Exchange of Puerto Rico (ix.pr)?

Run by AS36810?



We , 3-4 internet engineers (on island and remote) , want to look into
relaunch of this IX and hopefully find a way to keep local traffic
exchanged at high speeds and low cost. We need expertise, and people who
want to help any way they can.


https://www.pch.net/



We are trying to make this IX a not-for-profit one and we are looking at
opeeating models to adapt which has worked incredibly well like Seattle IX.

We are hoping the relaunch to happen sometime in 2018. Thanks in advance
hope to share more info and traffic data sometime , soon. Watch this space!

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[cyrus ramirez via NANOG]

Hello:Have you looked into WIFI? 
Cyrus

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  On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Mehmet Akcin<meh...@akcin.net> wrote:   Hey 
there!

... ok this time I am not going to call it PRIX ;) well name doesn't matter
really. Nearly 13 years ago I have attempted to start Puerto rico Internet
exchange in San Juan. I have lived there over 5 years and i just wanted to
really watch videos faster. The project somewhat died when i moved to LA
but now there are few interested party to start an internet exchange in
Puerto rico. The jsland historically had one of the slowest
broadband/internet services which seemed to have improved in recent years
however as of 2017 there still is not an IX in Puerto rico.

We , 3-4 internet engineers (on island and remote) , want to look into
relaunch of this IX and hopefully find a way to keep local traffic
exchanged at high speeds and low cost. We need expertise, and people who
want to help any way they can.

We are trying to make this IX a not-for-profit one and we are looking at
opeeating models to adapt which has worked incredibly well like Seattle IX.

We are hoping the relaunch to happen sometime in 2018. Thanks in advance
hope to share more info and traffic data sometime , soon. Watch this space!

Mehmet
  

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Mehmet Akcin]

I have been trying to get a hold of someone from that project. No response
yet. Still hoping to find someone. Peeringdb contact info didnt help.

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 10:54 AM Arturo Servin <arturo.ser...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> What about the PRBI project for an IXP?
>
> I think that is working, possibly it just need a hand. If possible, I would
> like to put my effort in something that is working and improve it rather
> than start something else from scratch.
>
> Regards
> as
>
> On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 at 14:15 Mike Hammett <na...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> > Reach out to Gino Villarini at Aeronet.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >
> > Midwest Internet Exchange
> >
> > The Brothers WISP
> >
> > - Original Message -
> >
> > From: "Mehmet Akcin" <meh...@akcin.net>
> > To: "nanog" <nanog@nanog.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 6:27:57 AM
> > Subject: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange
> >
> > Hey there!
> >
> > ... ok this time I am not going to call it PRIX ;) well name doesn't
> matter
> > really. Nearly 13 years ago I have attempted to start Puerto rico
> Internet
> > exchange in San Juan. I have lived there over 5 years and i just wanted
> to
> > really watch videos faster. The project somewhat died when i moved to LA
> > but now there are few interested party to start an internet exchange in
> > Puerto rico. The jsland historically had one of the slowest
> > broadband/internet services which seemed to have improved in recent years
> > however as of 2017 there still is not an IX in Puerto rico.
> >
> > We , 3-4 internet engineers (on island and remote) , want to look into
> > relaunch of this IX and hopefully find a way to keep local traffic
> > exchanged at high speeds and low cost. We need expertise, and people who
> > want to help any way they can.
> >
> > We are trying to make this IX a not-for-profit one and we are looking at
> > opeeating models to adapt which has worked incredibly well like Seattle
> IX.
> >
> > We are hoping the relaunch to happen sometime in 2018. Thanks in advance
> > hope to share more info and traffic data sometime , soon. Watch this
> space!
> >
> > Mehmet
> >
> >
>

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Arturo Servin]

What about the PRBI project for an IXP?

I think that is working, possibly it just need a hand. If possible, I would
like to put my effort in something that is working and improve it rather
than start something else from scratch.

Regards
as

On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 at 14:15 Mike Hammett <na...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Reach out to Gino Villarini at Aeronet.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
>
> The Brothers WISP
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Mehmet Akcin" <meh...@akcin.net>
> To: "nanog" <nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 6:27:57 AM
> Subject: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange
>
> Hey there!
>
> ... ok this time I am not going to call it PRIX ;) well name doesn't matter
> really. Nearly 13 years ago I have attempted to start Puerto rico Internet
> exchange in San Juan. I have lived there over 5 years and i just wanted to
> really watch videos faster. The project somewhat died when i moved to LA
> but now there are few interested party to start an internet exchange in
> Puerto rico. The jsland historically had one of the slowest
> broadband/internet services which seemed to have improved in recent years
> however as of 2017 there still is not an IX in Puerto rico.
>
> We , 3-4 internet engineers (on island and remote) , want to look into
> relaunch of this IX and hopefully find a way to keep local traffic
> exchanged at high speeds and low cost. We need expertise, and people who
> want to help any way they can.
>
> We are trying to make this IX a not-for-profit one and we are looking at
> opeeating models to adapt which has worked incredibly well like Seattle IX.
>
> We are hoping the relaunch to happen sometime in 2018. Thanks in advance
> hope to share more info and traffic data sometime , soon. Watch this space!
>
> Mehmet
>
>

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Mike Hammett]

Reach out to Gino Villarini at Aeronet. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Mehmet Akcin" <meh...@akcin.net> 
To: "nanog" <nanog@nanog.org> 
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 6:27:57 AM 
Subject: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange 

Hey there! 

... ok this time I am not going to call it PRIX ;) well name doesn't matter 
really. Nearly 13 years ago I have attempted to start Puerto rico Internet 
exchange in San Juan. I have lived there over 5 years and i just wanted to 
really watch videos faster. The project somewhat died when i moved to LA 
but now there are few interested party to start an internet exchange in 
Puerto rico. The jsland historically had one of the slowest 
broadband/internet services which seemed to have improved in recent years 
however as of 2017 there still is not an IX in Puerto rico. 

We , 3-4 internet engineers (on island and remote) , want to look into 
relaunch of this IX and hopefully find a way to keep local traffic 
exchanged at high speeds and low cost. We need expertise, and people who 
want to help any way they can. 

We are trying to make this IX a not-for-profit one and we are looking at 
opeeating models to adapt which has worked incredibly well like Seattle IX. 

We are hoping the relaunch to happen sometime in 2018. Thanks in advance 
hope to share more info and traffic data sometime , soon. Watch this space! 

Mehmet 

Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

[Mehmet Akcin]

Hey there!

... ok this time I am not going to call it PRIX ;) well name doesn't matter
really. Nearly 13 years ago I have attempted to start Puerto rico Internet
exchange in San Juan. I have lived there over 5 years and i just wanted to
really watch videos faster. The project somewhat died when i moved to LA
but now there are few interested party to start an internet exchange in
Puerto rico. The jsland historically had one of the slowest
broadband/internet services which seemed to have improved in recent years
however as of 2017 there still is not an IX in Puerto rico.

We , 3-4 internet engineers (on island and remote) , want to look into
relaunch of this IX and hopefully find a way to keep local traffic
exchanged at high speeds and low cost. We need expertise, and people who
want to help any way they can.

We are trying to make this IX a not-for-profit one and we are looking at
opeeating models to adapt which has worked incredibly well like Seattle IX.

We are hoping the relaunch to happen sometime in 2018. Thanks in advance
hope to share more info and traffic data sometime , soon. Watch this space!

Mehmet