Re: Cell-based OOB management devices
David, a Sprint aircard can be had with a static-ip, so that should ease remote connectivity requirements. Or, you can opt for the Datalink (private VPN) service, which separates your aircard traffic from other customers within a VRF, obviating the need to run a separate VPN client. -RC David Hubbard dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com wrote: Hi all, I am looking at cellular-based devices as a higher speed alternative to dial-up backup access methods for out of band management during emergencies. I was wondering if anyone had experiences with such devices they could share? Devices I've found include Sierra Wireless AirLink Raven X, Digi's ConnectWAN 3G or 4G and Opengear's ACM5004-G. I have no experience with any but they all appear to support the Sprint network which I assume would be ideal due to not having usage caps on data (currently). The Opengear device runs linux and has four serial ports, a usb port for additional storage and ethernet, so it seems to have some small advantages over the others since it could double as an emergency self-contained management station you can SSH into and run diagnostics from. All appear to have VPN/gateway support. What none of them are clear on is how you would connect to it over cellular since I assume you're just paying for a typical data plan and it will randomly obtain IP addresses. Maybe some type of dynamic dns service so you can easily figure out your device's current IP? How stable is the access to the device? Any idea if any of them can do ipv6? Thanks! David
Re: Cell-based OOB management devices
David, a Sprint aircard can be had with a static-ip, so that should ease remote connectivity requirements. Or, you can opt for the Datalink (private VPN) service, which separates your aircard traffic from other customers within a VRF, obviating the need to run a separate VPN client. -RC David Hubbard dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com wrote: Hi all, I am looking at cellular-based devices as a higher speed alternative to dial-up backup access methods for out of band management during emergencies. I was wondering if anyone had experiences with such devices they could share? Devices I've found include Sierra Wireless AirLink Raven X, Digi's ConnectWAN 3G or 4G and Opengear's ACM5004-G. I have no experience with any but they all appear to support the Sprint network which I assume would be ideal due to not having usage caps on data (currently). The Opengear device runs linux and has four serial ports, a usb port for additional storage and ethernet, so it seems to have some small advantages over the others since it could double as an emergency self-contained management station you can SSH into and run diagnostics from. All appear to have VPN/gateway support. What none of them are clear on is how you would connect to it over cellular since I assume you're just paying for a typical data plan and it will randomly obtain IP addresses. Maybe some type of dynamic dns service so you can easily figure out your device's current IP? How stable is the access to the device? Any idea if any of them can do ipv6? Thanks! David
Re: Cell-based OOB management devices
A very flexible solution can be done with the Mikrotik family of routerssee this as an example for more details.. http://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/BR09/3G_Applications.pdf Faisal On Nov 15, 2011, at 6:34 AM, rche...@rochester.rr.com wrote: David, a Sprint aircard can be had with a static-ip, so that should ease remote connectivity requirements. Or, you can opt for the Datalink (private VPN) service, which separates your aircard traffic from other customers within a VRF, obviating the need to run a separate VPN client. -RC David Hubbard dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com wrote: Hi all, I am looking at cellular-based devices as a higher speed alternative to dial-up backup access methods for out of band management during emergencies. I was wondering if anyone had experiences with such devices they could share? Devices I've found include Sierra Wireless AirLink Raven X, Digi's ConnectWAN 3G or 4G and Opengear's ACM5004-G. I have no experience with any but they all appear to support the Sprint network which I assume would be ideal due to not having usage caps on data (currently). The Opengear device runs linux and has four serial ports, a usb port for additional storage and ethernet, so it seems to have some small advantages over the others since it could double as an emergency self-contained management station you can SSH into and run diagnostics from. All appear to have VPN/gateway support. What none of them are clear on is how you would connect to it over cellular since I assume you're just paying for a typical data plan and it will randomly obtain IP addresses. Maybe some type of dynamic dns service so you can easily figure out your device's current IP? How stable is the access to the device? Any idea if any of them can do ipv6? Thanks! David
RE: Cell-based OOB management devices
We do this with att with a custom APN works great no need to VPN. If you want to use Sprint take a look at Sprint Data Link. You can use your IPs on the data cards. Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: rche...@rochester.rr.com [mailto:rche...@rochester.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:41 AM To: nanog@nanog.org; David Hubbard Subject: Re: Cell-based OOB management devices David, a Sprint aircard can be had with a static-ip, so that should ease remote connectivity requirements. Or, you can opt for the Datalink (private VPN) service, which separates your aircard traffic from other customers within a VRF, obviating the need to run a separate VPN client. -RC David Hubbard dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com wrote: Hi all, I am looking at cellular-based devices as a higher speed alternative to dial-up backup access methods for out of band management during emergencies. I was wondering if anyone had experiences with such devices they could share? Devices I've found include Sierra Wireless AirLink Raven X, Digi's ConnectWAN 3G or 4G and Opengear's ACM5004-G. I have no experience with any but they all appear to support the Sprint network which I assume would be ideal due to not having usage caps on data (currently). The Opengear device runs linux and has four serial ports, a usb port for additional storage and ethernet, so it seems to have some small advantages over the others since it could double as an emergency self-contained management station you can SSH into and run diagnostics from. All appear to have VPN/gateway support. What none of them are clear on is how you would connect to it over cellular since I assume you're just paying for a typical data plan and it will randomly obtain IP addresses. Maybe some type of dynamic dns service so you can easily figure out your device's current IP? How stable is the access to the device? Any idea if any of them can do ipv6? Thanks! David
Re: Cell-based OOB management devices
Second this. Custom APN to ATT with ipsec lan2lan VPN built to the provider. Works great for this. Once you get rid of the vpn need, you can use any cheap console server. I've seen solutions ranging from little opengear boxes (which are great to ship to a remote site to help a tech set something up, BTW), to home-brew solutions involving anything that can run OpenWRT, has a usb port, and can run screen or ser2net. Prices for low volume (10mb/month) data plans typically are less than analog lines, too. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Ryan Finnesey rfinne...@gmail.com wrote: We do this with att with a custom APN works great no need to VPN. If you want to use Sprint take a look at Sprint Data Link. You can use your IPs on the data cards. Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: rche...@rochester.rr.com [mailto:rche...@rochester.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:41 AM To: nanog@nanog.org; David Hubbard Subject: Re: Cell-based OOB management devices David, a Sprint aircard can be had with a static-ip, so that should ease remote connectivity requirements. Or, you can opt for the Datalink (private VPN) service, which separates your aircard traffic from other customers within a VRF, obviating the need to run a separate VPN client. -RC David Hubbard dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com wrote: Hi all, I am looking at cellular-based devices as a higher speed alternative to dial-up backup access methods for out of band management during emergencies. I was wondering if anyone had experiences with such devices they could share? Devices I've found include Sierra Wireless AirLink Raven X, Digi's ConnectWAN 3G or 4G and Opengear's ACM5004-G. I have no experience with any but they all appear to support the Sprint network which I assume would be ideal due to not having usage caps on data (currently). The Opengear device runs linux and has four serial ports, a usb port for additional storage and ethernet, so it seems to have some small advantages over the others since it could double as an emergency self-contained management station you can SSH into and run diagnostics from. All appear to have VPN/gateway support. What none of them are clear on is how you would connect to it over cellular since I assume you're just paying for a typical data plan and it will randomly obtain IP addresses. Maybe some type of dynamic dns service so you can easily figure out your device's current IP? How stable is the access to the device? Any idea if any of them can do ipv6? Thanks! David
RE: Cell-based OOB management devices
We pay $4 per SIM with att then about $2.50 per MB. Cheers Ryan From: PC [mailto:paul4...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 12:15 PM To: Ryan Finnesey Cc: rche...@rochester.rr.com; nanog@nanog.org; David Hubbard Subject: Re: Cell-based OOB management devices Second this. Custom APN to ATT with ipsec lan2lan VPN built to the provider. Works great for this. Once you get rid of the vpn need, you can use any cheap console server. I've seen solutions ranging from little opengear boxes (which are great to ship to a remote site to help a tech set something up, BTW), to home-brew solutions involving anything that can run OpenWRT, has a usb port, and can run screen or ser2net. Prices for low volume (10mb/month) data plans typically are less than analog lines, too. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Ryan Finnesey rfinne...@gmail.com wrote: We do this with att with a custom APN works great no need to VPN. If you want to use Sprint take a look at Sprint Data Link. You can use your IPs on the data cards. Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: rche...@rochester.rr.com [mailto:rche...@rochester.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:41 AM To: nanog@nanog.org; David Hubbard Subject: Re: Cell-based OOB management devices David, a Sprint aircard can be had with a static-ip, so that should ease remote connectivity requirements. Or, you can opt for the Datalink (private VPN) service, which separates your aircard traffic from other customers within a VRF, obviating the need to run a separate VPN client. -RC David Hubbard dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com wrote: Hi all, I am looking at cellular-based devices as a higher speed alternative to dial-up backup access methods for out of band management during emergencies. I was wondering if anyone had experiences with such devices they could share? Devices I've found include Sierra Wireless AirLink Raven X, Digi's ConnectWAN 3G or 4G and Opengear's ACM5004-G. I have no experience with any but they all appear to support the Sprint network which I assume would be ideal due to not having usage caps on data (currently). The Opengear device runs linux and has four serial ports, a usb port for additional storage and ethernet, so it seems to have some small advantages over the others since it could double as an emergency self-contained management station you can SSH into and run diagnostics from. All appear to have VPN/gateway support. What none of them are clear on is how you would connect to it over cellular since I assume you're just paying for a typical data plan and it will randomly obtain IP addresses. Maybe some type of dynamic dns service so you can easily figure out your device's current IP? How stable is the access to the device? Any idea if any of them can do ipv6? Thanks! David
Re: Cell-based OOB management devices
On Nov 6, 2011 10:15 PM, David Hubbard dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com wrote: Hi all, I am looking at cellular-based devices as a higher speed alternative to dial-up backup access methods for out of band management during emergencies. I was wondering if anyone had experiences with such devices they could share? Devices I've found include Sierra Wireless AirLink Raven X, Digi's ConnectWAN 3G or 4G and Opengear's ACM5004-G. I have no experience with any but they all appear to support the Sprint network which I assume would be ideal due to not having usage caps on data (currently). The Opengear device runs linux and has four serial ports, a usb port for additional storage and ethernet, so it seems to have some small advantages over the others since it could double as an emergency self-contained management station you can SSH into and run diagnostics from. All appear to have VPN/gateway support. What none of them are clear on is how you would connect to it over cellular since I assume you're just paying for a typical data plan and it will randomly obtain IP addresses. Maybe some type of dynamic dns service so you can easily figure out your device's current IP? How stable is the access to the device? Any idea if any of them can do ipv6? Another good question is if the 3g modem is firewalled by the mobile provider so that incoming connections are blocked. Cb Thanks! David
Re: Cell-based OOB management devices
On Nov 6, 2011 10:15 PM, David Hubbard dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com wrote: Hi all, I am looking at cellular-based devices as a higher speed alternative to dial-up backup access methods for out of band management during emergencies. I've used the Digi devices for Clearwire site OOB and in many retail situations where they are use for backup connection and for when the wire line hasn't been delivered yet. They do come with a static IP address if you request (and pay?) for it. They can come from the shared mobile IP range (RFC 2002) so that you can keep the static IP as you move between tower sites. You can also get them piped right in to your net via a VPN, although I suspect that is only affordable for a very large install base. Real world 3G bandwidth is about 1Mb/s down and 300Kb/s down. RTT (ping) is around 185ms to a local IXP (which kinda sucks for terminal support, but still better than a POTS modem.) -- Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA, 360-474-7474
Re: Cell-based OOB management devices
I would look into Uplogix. I've seen them demo their products at Cisco Live a couple of times and they seem very good. - You can connect a cellular modem to them. - They can store backup device configs. - They can store IOS images. - They can even xmodem an image to a device if it gets stuck in ROMMON. - Some of this can even be automated by their device. --Original Message-- From: David Hubbard To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Cell-based OOB management devices Sent: Nov 7, 2011 1:14 AM Hi all, I am looking at cellular-based devices as a higher speed alternative to dial-up backup access methods for out of band management during emergencies. I was wondering if anyone had experiences with such devices they could share? Devices I've found include Sierra Wireless AirLink Raven X, Digi's ConnectWAN 3G or 4G and Opengear's ACM5004-G. I have no experience with any but they all appear to support the Sprint network which I assume would be ideal due to not having usage caps on data (currently). The Opengear device runs linux and has four serial ports, a usb port for additional storage and ethernet, so it seems to have some small advantages over the others since it could double as an emergency self-contained management station you can SSH into and run diagnostics from. All appear to have VPN/gateway support. What none of them are clear on is how you would connect to it over cellular since I assume you're just paying for a typical data plan and it will randomly obtain IP addresses. Maybe some type of dynamic dns service so you can easily figure out your device's current IP? How stable is the access to the device? Any idea if any of them can do ipv6? Thanks! David
RE: Cell-based OOB management devices
Re: Cell-based OOB management devices
On 11/6/11 10:14 PM, David Hubbard wrote: Hi all, I am looking at cellular-based devices as a higher speed alternative to dial-up backup access methods for out of band management during emergencies. I was wondering if anyone had experiences with such devices they could share? Devices I've found include Sierra Wireless AirLink Raven X, Digi's ConnectWAN 3G or 4G and Opengear's ACM5004-G. I have no experience with any but they all appear to support the Sprint network which I assume would be ideal due to not having usage caps on data (currently). The Opengear device runs linux and has four serial ports, a usb port for additional storage and ethernet, so it seems to have some small advantages over the others since it could double as an emergency self-contained management station you can SSH into and run diagnostics from. All appear to have VPN/gateway support. What none of them are clear on is how you would connect to it over cellular since I assume you're just paying for a typical data plan and it will randomly obtain IP addresses. Maybe some type of dynamic dns service so you can easily figure out your device's current IP? How stable is the access to the device? Any idea if any of them can do ipv6? With the Cisco 3G WIC cards they'll do a static IP or a tunnel. I'd presume something similar can be done with other options if you ask. ~Seth
Re: Cell-based OOB management devices
On Nov 7, 2011, at 1:14 PM, David Hubbard wrote: Hi all, I am looking at cellular-based devices as a higher speed alternative to dial-up backup access methods for out of band management during emergencies. Some of the lower-end Cisco routers have '3G' interfaces available as an option, I believe. --- Roland Dobbins rdobb...@arbor.net // http://www.arbornetworks.com The basis of optimism is sheer terror. -- Oscar Wilde
