RE: Changing upstream providers, opinions/thoughts on 123.net and cogent

[Aaron Gould]

I’ve never heard of 123

 

I’ve used Cogent for several years now… 

 

Price was good

10 gig link… for a few years

20 gig (2) 10 gigs lagged… for a year or so…

100 gig link for past few months…

 

The support is quick and easy to deal with.

 

DDOS RTBH is nice quick and easy (but different than other SP’s with 
communities…. Cogent ddos rtbh is a separate bgp neighbor session)… I like it

 

IPv6 has issues with Google and HE I think still….been years now.

 

Attacks come as often through cogent as any of my sp’s, but probably more on 
cogent than others…. Telia is catching up.

 

-Aaron

 

Re: Changing upstream providers, opinions/thoughts on 123.net and cogent

[Neader, Brent]

Looks like they already are?

https://bgp.he.net/AS14374

Depending on which peer you might be replacing 123.net or cogent with, that 
could possibly change someone’s opinion.  However, at least from past topics on 
this, given cogent history with peering issues (such as HE.net cake), I think 
one would certainly want to understand what impact peering/routing quirks would 
cause them and their ability to work around them before selecting cogent.

Given I doubt your international reach is a big deal, and given 123.net is more 
of a tier2 (https://bgp.he.net/AS12129) with local and regional peering ( 
https://www.peeringdb.com/net/3899 ), they could be better suited for your 
traffic patterns and local customers?

Also if you are not already interconnected with 123.net from a transport 
perspective, given their footprint in the state, there could be opportunities 
for an NNI to expand your reach to help interconnect your customer’s locations 
(aka customer has a branch office inside and outside your direct footprint and 
wants ELAN type service).

I have looked at them before but never got serious, and thus cannot offer any 
input on their actual service or support.

From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Ben Cannon
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 8:16 PM
To: Aaron Henderson 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: EXT_Re: Changing upstream providers, opinions/thoughts on 123.net and 
cogent

Run BGP and use multiple upstream providers as soon as you can.
-Ben

On Jan 4, 2019, at 4:57 AM, Aaron Henderson 
mailto:ahender...@avci.net>> wrote:
I work for a rural ISP and the powers that be have been thinking about changing 
our upstream providers. The big names on the table right now are 
123.net and Cogent.

I, along with the people in my circle, do not have any experience with these 
providers and all we are getting is what sales are dishing us.

I was hoping some of you here might have experience with these providers and 
could share your experiences and opinions.

Thanks,

A

Re: Changing upstream providers, opinions/thoughts on 123.net and cogent

[Brandon Martin]

To reiterate what's been said...

I would not want to be single-homed to Cogent.  They're fine (and 
generally useful and a reasonable use of your operating money) in a blend.


I'm not familiar with 123.net, but looking briefly at them, they appear 
to be a regional blend.  Much preferable compared to your other option 
assuming they competently operate their network.


FWIW, I wouldn't WANT to be single-homed to anyone, but I'll do it when 
it's the right choice.


If you have to be single-homed, you really have to go with a quality 
upstream, and you're going to pay for it.  If you have the volume and 
connectivity to be multi-homed, do it.  It'll be better in just about 
every way.

--
Brandon Martin

Re: Changing upstream providers, opinions/thoughts on 123.net and cogent

[William Herrin]

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 5:40 PM Aaron Henderson  wrote:
> I work for a rural ISP and the powers that be have been thinking about 
> changing our upstream providers. The big names on the table right now are 
> 123.net and Cogent.
>
> I was hoping some of you here might have experience with these providers and 
> could share your experiences and opinions.

Hi Aaron,

I don't know anything about 123.net.

Google "Cogent cake," "cogent sprint," and "cogent telia" for
explanations and examples of how relying on Cogent as your sole
transit provider is likely to bite you in the behind. Using them as a
secondary transit provider in a BGP-managed mix is arguably more
acceptable.

Regards,
Bill Herrin


-- 
William Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us
Dirtside Systems . Web: 

Re: Changing upstream providers, opinions/thoughts on 123.net and cogent

[Ben Cannon]

Run BGP and use multiple upstream providers as soon as you can.

-Ben

> On Jan 4, 2019, at 4:57 AM, Aaron Henderson  wrote:
> 
> I work for a rural ISP and the powers that be have been thinking about 
> changing our upstream providers. The big names on the table right now are 
> 123.net and Cogent.
> 
> I, along with the people in my circle, do not have any experience with these 
> providers and all we are getting is what sales are dishing us.
> 
> I was hoping some of you here might have experience with these providers and 
> could share your experiences and opinions.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> A
>