RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0
The main problem I see is peering wars and a lack of diversity, we have seen a couple incidents where they have dropped all or part of their connectivity to our market (seattle), during the latter they had major packet-loss which was frankly more annoying than them being down... Issues also tend to be a tad more frequent than other providers but on the whole, really not that bad. We basically use cogent as private peering to reach their customers. Operationally the incredibly annoying part is their helpdesk-style attitude towards prefix-lists, if you have a few prefixes this is no big deal but if you are like us and have 30+ downstream ASNs it can get annoying to repetadily explain to techs who don't get it why you need to have them add more routes, do le 24 matching (to limit the number of times we call) or to increase their max-prefix limit. If they were not so cheap I would cancel them just due to the lack of RADB support but at least they have no uRPF filters so I have taken to just doing batch prefix-list updates with them every few months as my sanity-saving solution. John van Oppen Spectrum Networks LLC Direct: 206.973.8302 Main: 206.973.8300 Website: http://spectrumnetworks.us -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Lyon [mailto:jeffrey.l...@blacklotus.net] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:02 AM To: Mike Bartz Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0 Mike, Aside from the occasional peering wars i've never had or witnessed any serious issues with Cogent. If you want some redundancy you might also try some other similarly priced providers like WBS Connect, HE, or BtN. Best regards, Jeff On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Mike Bartz m...@bartzfamily.net wrote: I like the haiku! On a serious note, we are considering getting a connection from Cogent. We currently have connections to att, Level 3 and TW Telecom. The low cost and high number of peer AS number's seems appealing to us. Every carrier has its issues, so I don't know what to make of the apparent negativity that I am seeing in these haiku threads. I am looking for some first hand experiences to help me make this decision. Thanks for any assistance! Mike On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 9:59 PM, neal rauhauser nrauhau...@gmail.com wrote: Cogent makes a mess My phone rings and rings Unfornicate this! -- Mike Bartz m...@bartzfamily.net -- Jeffrey Lyon, Leadership Team jeffrey.l...@blacklotus.net | http://www.blacklotus.net Black Lotus Communications of The IRC Company, Inc. Look for us at HostingCon 2009 in Washington, DC on August 10th - 12th at Booth #401.
RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0
NANOG is too cool. Rhyming with net engineers. Poet don't know it. Jay Murphy IP Network Specialist NM Department of Health ITSD - IP Network Operations Santa Fe, New Mexico 87502 Bus. Ph.: 505.827.2851 We move the information that moves your world. -Original Message- From: neal rauhauser [mailto:nrauhau...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:59 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Cogent Haiku v2.0 Cogent makes a mess My phone rings and rings Unfornicate this! __ This inbound email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message. -- This email has been scanned by the Sybari - Antigen Email System.
Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0
The XO version: XO is low cost The cabinets had no power Service was useless Jeff On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Murphy, Jay, DOH jay.mur...@state.nm.us wrote: NANOG is too cool. Rhyming with net engineers. Poet don't know it. Jay Murphy IP Network Specialist NM Department of Health ITSD - IP Network Operations Santa Fe, New Mexico 87502 Bus. Ph.: 505.827.2851 We move the information that moves your world. -Original Message- From: neal rauhauser [mailto:nrauhau...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:59 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Cogent Haiku v2.0 Cogent makes a mess My phone rings and rings Unfornicate this! __ This inbound email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message. -- This email has been scanned by the Sybari - Antigen Email System. -- Jeffrey Lyon, Leadership Team jeffrey.l...@blacklotus.net | http://www.blacklotus.net Black Lotus Communications of The IRC Company, Inc. Look for us at HostingCon 2009 in Washington, DC on August 10th - 12th at Booth #401.
RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0
Customers thank me I will not stoop much lower Pay dirt for transit -Original Message- From: Murphy, Jay, DOH [mailto:jay.mur...@state.nm.us] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 09:41 To: neal rauhauser; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0 NANOG is too cool. Rhyming with net engineers. Poet don't know it. Jay Murphy IP Network Specialist NM Department of Health ITSD - IP Network Operations Santa Fe, New Mexico 87502 Bus. Ph.: 505.827.2851 We move the information that moves your world. -Original Message- From: neal rauhauser [mailto:nrauhau...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:59 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Cogent Haiku v2.0 Cogent makes a mess My phone rings and rings Unfornicate this! __ This inbound email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message. -- This email has been scanned by the Sybari - Antigen Email System.
RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0
good stuff Jay Murphy IP Network Specialist NM Department of Health ITSD - IP Network Operations Santa Fe, New Mexico 87502 Bus. Ph.: 505.827.2851 We move the information that moves your world. -Original Message- From: Darryl Dunkin [mailto:ddun...@netos.net] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:50 AM To: Murphy, Jay, DOH; neal rauhauser; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0 Customers thank me I will not stoop much lower Pay dirt for transit -Original Message- From: Murphy, Jay, DOH [mailto:jay.mur...@state.nm.us] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 09:41 To: neal rauhauser; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0 NANOG is too cool. Rhyming with net engineers. Poet don't know it. Jay Murphy IP Network Specialist NM Department of Health ITSD - IP Network Operations Santa Fe, New Mexico 87502 Bus. Ph.: 505.827.2851 We move the information that moves your world. -Original Message- From: neal rauhauser [mailto:nrauhau...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:59 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Cogent Haiku v2.0 Cogent makes a mess My phone rings and rings Unfornicate this! __ This inbound email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message. -- This email has been scanned by the Sybari - Antigen Email System. __ This inbound email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message. -- This email has been scanned by the Sybari - Antigen Email System.
Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0
I like the haiku! On a serious note, we are considering getting a connection from Cogent. We currently have connections to att, Level 3 and TW Telecom. The low cost and high number of peer AS number's seems appealing to us. Every carrier has its issues, so I don't know what to make of the apparent negativity that I am seeing in these haiku threads. I am looking for some first hand experiences to help me make this decision. Thanks for any assistance! Mike On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 9:59 PM, neal rauhauser nrauhau...@gmail.com wrote: Cogent makes a mess My phone rings and rings Unfornicate this! -- Mike Bartz m...@bartzfamily.net
Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0
Cisco 7k nodes Cascading VIP card failures Reload the router On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Darryl Dunkin ddun...@netos.net wrote: Customers thank me I will not stoop much lower Pay dirt for transit -Original Message- From: Murphy, Jay, DOH [mailto:jay.mur...@state.nm.us] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 09:41 To: neal rauhauser; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0 NANOG is too cool. Rhyming with net engineers. Poet don't know it. Jay Murphy IP Network Specialist NM Department of Health ITSD - IP Network Operations Santa Fe, New Mexico 87502 Bus. Ph.: 505.827.2851 We move the information that moves your world. -Original Message- From: neal rauhauser [mailto:nrauhau...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:59 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Cogent Haiku v2.0 Cogent makes a mess My phone rings and rings Unfornicate this! __ This inbound email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message. -- This email has been scanned by the Sybari - Antigen Email System. -- Josh Potter
RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0
Net admins are bored Nanog lists run wild Useless spam blows up phone :) -r -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Lyon [mailto:jeffrey.l...@blacklotus.net] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:48 PM To: Murphy, Jay, DOH Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0 The XO version: XO is low cost The cabinets had no power Service was useless Jeff On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Murphy, Jay, DOH jay.mur...@state.nm.us wrote: NANOG is too cool. Rhyming with net engineers. Poet don't know it. Jay Murphy IP Network Specialist NM Department of Health ITSD - IP Network Operations Santa Fe, New Mexico 87502 Bus. Ph.: 505.827.2851 We move the information that moves your world. -Original Message- From: neal rauhauser [mailto:nrauhau...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:59 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Cogent Haiku v2.0 Cogent makes a mess My phone rings and rings Unfornicate this! __ This inbound email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message. -- This email has been scanned by the Sybari - Antigen Email System. -- Jeffrey Lyon, Leadership Team jeffrey.l...@blacklotus.net | http://www.blacklotus.net Black Lotus Communications of The IRC Company, Inc. Look for us at HostingCon 2009 in Washington, DC on August 10th - 12th at Booth #401.
RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0
Level 3 has gear. Bleeding edge technology. Get huge pipes right now. Jay Murphy IP Network Specialist NM Department of Health ITSD - IP Network Operations Santa Fe, New Mexico 87502 Bus. Ph.: 505.827.2851 We move the information that moves your world. -Original Message- From: Mike Bartz [mailto:m...@bartzfamily.net] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:54 AM To: neal rauhauser Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0 I like the haiku! On a serious note, we are considering getting a connection from Cogent. We currently have connections to att, Level 3 and TW Telecom. The low cost and high number of peer AS number's seems appealing to us. Every carrier has its issues, so I don't know what to make of the apparent negativity that I am seeing in these haiku threads. I am looking for some first hand experiences to help me make this decision. Thanks for any assistance! Mike On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 9:59 PM, neal rauhauser nrauhau...@gmail.com wrote: Cogent makes a mess My phone rings and rings Unfornicate this! -- Mike Bartz m...@bartzfamily.net __ This inbound email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message. -- This email has been scanned by the Sybari - Antigen Email System.
Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0
Cisco 7k nodes Cascading VIP card failures Reload the router McColo shuts down Spammers enjoy holiday .. and then recommence On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Darryl Dunkin ddun...@netos.net wrote: Customers thank me I will not stoop much lower Pay dirt for transit -Original Message- From: Murphy, Jay, DOH [mailto:jay.mur...@state.nm.us] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 09:41 To: neal rauhauser; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0 NANOG is too cool. Rhyming with net engineers. Poet don't know it. Jay Murphy IP Network Specialist NM Department of Health ITSD - IP Network Operations Santa Fe, New Mexico 87502 Bus. Ph.: 505.827.2851 We move the information that moves your world. -Original Message- From: neal rauhauser [mailto:nrauhau...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:59 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Cogent Haiku v2.0 Cogent makes a mess My phone rings and rings Unfornicate this! __ This inbound email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message. -- This email has been scanned by the Sybari - Antigen Email System. -- Josh Potter -- Ken Simpson CEO MailChannels - Reliable Email Delivery http://mailchannels.com 604 685 7488 tel
Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0
Mike, Aside from the occasional peering wars i've never had or witnessed any serious issues with Cogent. If you want some redundancy you might also try some other similarly priced providers like WBS Connect, HE, or BtN. Best regards, Jeff On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Mike Bartz m...@bartzfamily.net wrote: I like the haiku! On a serious note, we are considering getting a connection from Cogent. We currently have connections to att, Level 3 and TW Telecom. The low cost and high number of peer AS number's seems appealing to us. Every carrier has its issues, so I don't know what to make of the apparent negativity that I am seeing in these haiku threads. I am looking for some first hand experiences to help me make this decision. Thanks for any assistance! Mike On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 9:59 PM, neal rauhauser nrauhau...@gmail.com wrote: Cogent makes a mess My phone rings and rings Unfornicate this! -- Mike Bartz m...@bartzfamily.net -- Jeffrey Lyon, Leadership Team jeffrey.l...@blacklotus.net | http://www.blacklotus.net Black Lotus Communications of The IRC Company, Inc. Look for us at HostingCon 2009 in Washington, DC on August 10th - 12th at Booth #401.
RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0
NANOG has admins They waste a lot of time now Maybe paid to much -Original Message- From: Murphy, Jay, DOH [mailto:jay.mur...@state.nm.us] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:57 AM To: Mike Bartz; neal rauhauser Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0 Level 3 has gear. Bleeding edge technology. Get huge pipes right now. Jay Murphy IP Network Specialist NM Department of Health ITSD - IP Network Operations Santa Fe, New Mexico 87502 Bus. Ph.: 505.827.2851 We move the information that moves your world. -Original Message- From: Mike Bartz [mailto:m...@bartzfamily.net] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:54 AM To: neal rauhauser Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0 I like the haiku! On a serious note, we are considering getting a connection from Cogent. We currently have connections to att, Level 3 and TW Telecom. The low cost and high number of peer AS number's seems appealing to us. Every carrier has its issues, so I don't know what to make of the apparent negativity that I am seeing in these haiku threads. I am looking for some first hand experiences to help me make this decision. Thanks for any assistance! Mike On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 9:59 PM, neal rauhauser nrauhau...@gmail.com wrote: Cogent makes a mess My phone rings and rings Unfornicate this! -- Mike Bartz m...@bartzfamily.net __ This inbound email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message. -- This email has been scanned by the Sybari - Antigen Email System.
Cogent Considerations [was: Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0]
Mike Bartz wrote: I like the haiku! On a serious note, we are considering getting a connection from Cogent. We currently have connections to att, Level 3 and TW Telecom. The low cost and high number of peer AS number's seems appealing to us. Every carrier has its issues, so I don't know what to make of the apparent negativity that I am seeing in these haiku threads. I am looking for some first hand experiences to help me make this decision. Thanks for any assistance! Hey Mike, I wouldn't take my word for it but truthfully, you get what you pay for. Given you have other, more reliable transit, adding Cogent may be ok. I wouldn't rely on it for anything serious though. Hope this helps, -- Adam Young
Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0
Jeffrey Lyon wrote: Mike, Aside from the occasional peering wars i've never had or witnessed any serious issues with Cogent. If you want some redundancy you might also try some other similarly priced providers like WBS Connect, HE, or BtN. I can second that. For the amount of money they charge, you get a very good deal and their techs are competent. However, due to peering wars, never rely on them alone. Any decent ISP should anyway at least have connections from n+1 carriers. Kind regards, Martin List-Petersen Best regards, Jeff On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Mike Bartz m...@bartzfamily.net wrote: I like the haiku! On a serious note, we are considering getting a connection from Cogent. We currently have connections to att, Level 3 and TW Telecom. The low cost and high number of peer AS number's seems appealing to us. Every carrier has its issues, so I don't know what to make of the apparent negativity that I am seeing in these haiku threads. I am looking for some first hand experiences to help me make this decision. Thanks for any assistance! Mike On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 9:59 PM, neal rauhauser nrauhau...@gmail.com wrote: Cogent makes a mess My phone rings and rings Unfornicate this! -- Mike Bartz m...@bartzfamily.net -- Airwire - Ag Nascadh Pobal an Iarthar http://www.airwire.ie Phone: 091-865 968
Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0
Jeffrey Lyon wrote: Mike, Aside from the occasional peering wars i've never had or witnessed any serious issues with Cogent. If you want some redundancy you might also try some other similarly priced providers like WBS Connect, HE, or BtN. Plus if you had direct connectivity to Cogent, their peering status with others wouldn't affect you anymore. Personally, I've seriously considered this as a reason to get a connection from Cogent. ~Seth
Re: Cogent Considerations [was: Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0]
Adam Young wrote: I wouldn't take my word for it but truthfully, you get what you pay for. Given you have other, more reliable transit, adding Cogent may be ok. I wouldn't rely on it for anything serious though. That has not been my experience. Peering wars have been an issue, but aside from that, they've been fine. (This is transit in San Francisco at the gigabit-plus level.) Jim Shankland
Re: Cogent Considerations [was: Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0]
On 1/12/09, Jim Shankland na...@shankland.org wrote: Adam Young wrote: I wouldn't take my word for it but truthfully, you get what you pay for. Given you have other, more reliable transit, adding Cogent may be ok. I wouldn't rely on it for anything serious though. That has not been my experience. Peering wars have been an issue, but aside from that, they've been fine. (This is transit in San Francisco at the gigabit-plus level.) Jim Shankland Seconded. We also have Cogent for gigabit transit. I had far more problems in the short time we used Level3 for transit than I've had with Cogent. -brandon -- Brandon Galbraith Voice: 630.400.6992 Email: brandon.galbra...@gmail.com
RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0
We peer with Cogent. They are very competitive in terms of pricing. To be honest, Cogent has been pretty good to us. As long as you have a 2nd peer (which it sounds like you do) for backup I'd say they're a pretty safe bet. The only problem I've had with Cogent is that they're still not ready to route IPv6. The whole you get what you pay for talk is nonsense in my book, you're paying top dollar with places like Sprint because they use the income to subsidize their other efforts that are taking a loss. Ray Soucy Communications Specialist +1 (207) 561-3526 Communications and Network Services University of Maine System http://www.maine.edu/ -Original Message- From: Mike Bartz [mailto:m...@bartzfamily.net] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:54 PM To: neal rauhauser Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0 I like the haiku! On a serious note, we are considering getting a connection from Cogent. We currently have connections to att, Level 3 and TW Telecom. The low cost and high number of peer AS number's seems appealing to us. Every carrier has its issues, so I don't know what to make of the apparent negativity that I am seeing in these haiku threads. I am looking for some first hand experiences to help me make this decision. Thanks for any assistance! Mike On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 9:59 PM, neal rauhauser nrauhau...@gmail.com wrote: Cogent makes a mess My phone rings and rings Unfornicate this! -- Mike Bartz m...@bartzfamily.net
Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0
Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Jan 12, 2009, at 1:58 PM, Soucy, Ray wrote: We peer with Cogent. They are very competitive in terms of pricing. To be honest, Cogent has been pretty good to us. As long as you have a 2nd peer (which it sounds like you do) for backup I'd say they're a pretty safe bet. I think you mean s/peer/transit. Perhaps he is running PPP, and meant peer. :P http://www.freesoft.org/CIE/RFC/1661/3.htm Obviously he's paying for transit with his peer, which is still technically a peering agreement; just not a free one. ;)
Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0
Hi everyone The Mailing List Committee would like to remind everyone that threads of this sort are not operationally relevant and go against the spirit of the AUP [1]. Haikus, one line jokes, and me too replies simply do not provide enough information for each of NANOG's 10,000 subscribers to determine if there is something operational they should be acting on. The MLC will be contacting the majority of participants in this thread to remind them of this. Please respect the inboxes of others. Kris Foster MLC Chair [1] #2: Postings of issues inconsistent with the charter are prohibited. Mailing list AUP: http://www.nanog.org/mailinglist/ NANOG Charter: http://www.nanog.org/governance/charter/
