Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations

[Luke Guillory]

For sure

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> On Mar 14, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Todd Grand <tgr...@tgrand.com> wrote:
> 
> I still believe the onus is on them to justify the extension of these costs,
> regardless of what was in the agreement.
> 
> Todd Grand
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Luke Guillory [mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:39 AM
> To: Todd Grand <tgr...@tgrand.com>
> Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
> 
> I just went back over my email string with one of our transit providers
> since I recalled submitting an exempt form for something. 
> 
> They added the Federal Universal Service Fund Surcharge to our transit link,
> odd since this isn't a voice related circuit. This also wasn't on the quote
> or anything else, sales tax is assumed but this wasn't. I'm sure it's buried
> in an agreement somewhere. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Todd Grand <tgr...@tgrand.com> wrote:
>> 
>> In reply to the group as my reply was only to Luke.
>> 
>> 
>> This is why I say, they should need to justify the extension of these
> costs.
>> In my opinion a transit provider should not have any justification to
> extend said costs.
>> One might suggest that the unjustified extension of these costs could be
> construed as fraudulent charges.
>> 
>> Todd Grand
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Luke Guillory [mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:08 AM
>> To: Todd Grand <tgr...@tgrand.com>
>> Cc: Eric Dugas <edu...@unknowndevice.ca>; Graham Johnston 
>> <johnst...@westmancom.com>; NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
>> Subject: Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
>> 
>> On transit though? We in the US pay all of these types of fees as well
> though not on service outside of telephone.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> Luke Guillory
>> Network Operations Manager
>> 
>> Tel:985.536.1212
>> Fax:985.536.0300
>> Email:  lguill...@reservetele.com
>> 
>> Reserve Telecommunications
>> 100 RTC Dr
>> Reserve, LA 70084
>> 
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>> 
>>> On Mar 14, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Todd Grand <tgr...@tgrand.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> These costs are related to federal, provincial and/or municipal 
>>> mandates, programs and requirements such as provincial 9-1-1 fees, 
>>> spectrum acquisition, licensing charges, and contribution charges to 
>>> help subsidize telephone service in rural and remote areas. These 
>>> costs are not taxes or amounts that the government requires carriers 
>>> to collect. The specific amount of these costs can vary as the 
>>> fees/costs of government mandates/programs change.
>>> 
>>> I would have them outline what regulatory costs they incur, as they 
>>> have to justify the extension of these costs, or in my opinion it is 
>>> a form of fraud.
>>> 
>>> Todd Grand
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+tgrand=tgrand@nanog.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Eric Dugas
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:00 AM
>>> To: Graham Johnston <johnst...@westmancom.com>
>>> Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
>>> Subject: Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
>>> 
>>> From what I've gathered so far, every other carriers that we use are 
>>> either invoicing us from Canada or outside the US (e.g. Telia from 
>>> Vancouver, B

RE: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations

[Todd Grand]

I still believe the onus is on them to justify the extension of these costs,
regardless of what was in the agreement.

Todd Grand

-Original Message-
From: Luke Guillory [mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:39 AM
To: Todd Grand <tgr...@tgrand.com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations

I just went back over my email string with one of our transit providers
since I recalled submitting an exempt form for something. 

They added the Federal Universal Service Fund Surcharge to our transit link,
odd since this isn't a voice related circuit. This also wasn't on the quote
or anything else, sales tax is assumed but this wasn't. I'm sure it's buried
in an agreement somewhere. 

 



Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 14, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Todd Grand <tgr...@tgrand.com> wrote:
> 
> In reply to the group as my reply was only to Luke.
> 
> 
> This is why I say, they should need to justify the extension of these
costs.
> In my opinion a transit provider should not have any justification to
extend said costs.
> One might suggest that the unjustified extension of these costs could be
construed as fraudulent charges.
> 
> Todd Grand
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Luke Guillory [mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:08 AM
> To: Todd Grand <tgr...@tgrand.com>
> Cc: Eric Dugas <edu...@unknowndevice.ca>; Graham Johnston 
> <johnst...@westmancom.com>; NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
> 
> On transit though? We in the US pay all of these types of fees as well
though not on service outside of telephone.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> 
> 
> Luke Guillory
> Network Operations Manager
> 
> Tel:985.536.1212
> Fax:985.536.0300
> Email:  lguill...@reservetele.com
> 
> Reserve Telecommunications
> 100 RTC Dr
> Reserve, LA 70084
> 
> __
> ___
> 
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> 
>> On Mar 14, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Todd Grand <tgr...@tgrand.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> These costs are related to federal, provincial and/or municipal 
>> mandates, programs and requirements such as provincial 9-1-1 fees, 
>> spectrum acquisition, licensing charges, and contribution charges to 
>> help subsidize telephone service in rural and remote areas. These 
>> costs are not taxes or amounts that the government requires carriers 
>> to collect. The specific amount of these costs can vary as the 
>> fees/costs of government mandates/programs change.
>> 
>> I would have them outline what regulatory costs they incur, as they 
>> have to justify the extension of these costs, or in my opinion it is 
>> a form of fraud.
>> 
>> Todd Grand
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+tgrand=tgrand@nanog.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Eric Dugas
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:00 AM
>> To: Graham Johnston <johnst...@westmancom.com>
>> Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
>> Subject: Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
>> 
>> From what I've gathered so far, every other carriers that we use are 
>> either invoicing us from Canada or outside the US (e.g. Telia from 
>> Vancouver, BC and Cogent from Toronto, ON).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> A couple of minutes after firing my first email, our rep called me to 
>> follow up. He'll escalate this as far as he can with his COO and CFO 
>> and suggested two scenarios.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 14 2017, at 10:41 am, Graham Johnston 
>> <johnst...@westmancom.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> We don't explicitly pay a charge like this for the transit bandwidth 
>>> we
>> purchase in Toronto from an international carrier, and I doubt that 
>> it is built into the cost witho

Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations

[Luke Guillory]

I just went back over my email string with one of our transit providers since I 
recalled submitting an exempt form for something. 

They added the Federal Universal Service Fund Surcharge to our transit link, 
odd since this isn't a voice related circuit. This also wasn't on the quote or 
anything else, sales tax is assumed but this wasn't. I'm sure it's buried in an 
agreement somewhere. 

 



Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 14, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Todd Grand <tgr...@tgrand.com> wrote:
> 
> In reply to the group as my reply was only to Luke.
> 
> 
> This is why I say, they should need to justify the extension of these costs.
> In my opinion a transit provider should not have any justification to extend 
> said costs.
> One might suggest that the unjustified extension of these costs could be 
> construed as fraudulent charges.
> 
> Todd Grand
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Luke Guillory [mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:08 AM
> To: Todd Grand <tgr...@tgrand.com>
> Cc: Eric Dugas <edu...@unknowndevice.ca>; Graham Johnston 
> <johnst...@westmancom.com>; NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
> 
> On transit though? We in the US pay all of these types of fees as well though 
> not on service outside of telephone.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> 
> 
> Luke Guillory
> Network Operations Manager
> 
> Tel:985.536.1212
> Fax:985.536.0300
> Email:  lguill...@reservetele.com
> 
> Reserve Telecommunications
> 100 RTC Dr
> Reserve, LA 70084
> 
> _
> 
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> arise as a result of e-mail transmission. .
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Todd Grand <tgr...@tgrand.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> These costs are related to federal, provincial and/or municipal 
>> mandates, programs and requirements such as provincial 9-1-1 fees, 
>> spectrum acquisition, licensing charges, and contribution charges to 
>> help subsidize telephone service in rural and remote areas. These 
>> costs are not taxes or amounts that the government requires carriers 
>> to collect. The specific amount of these costs can vary as the 
>> fees/costs of government mandates/programs change.
>> 
>> I would have them outline what regulatory costs they incur, as they 
>> have to justify the extension of these costs, or in my opinion it is a 
>> form of fraud.
>> 
>> Todd Grand
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+tgrand=tgrand@nanog.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Eric Dugas
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:00 AM
>> To: Graham Johnston <johnst...@westmancom.com>
>> Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
>> Subject: Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
>> 
>> From what I've gathered so far, every other carriers that we use are 
>> either invoicing us from Canada or outside the US (e.g. Telia from 
>> Vancouver, BC and Cogent from Toronto, ON).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> A couple of minutes after firing my first email, our rep called me to 
>> follow up. He'll escalate this as far as he can with his COO and CFO 
>> and suggested two scenarios.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 14 2017, at 10:41 am, Graham Johnston 
>> <johnst...@westmancom.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> We don't explicitly pay a charge like this for the transit bandwidth 
>>> we
>> purchase in Toronto from an international carrier, and I doubt that it 
>> is built into the cost without any mention of it. I've never heard of 
>> such a thing.
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> Graham Johnston
>> Network Planner
>> Westman Communications Group
>> 204.717.2829
>> johnst...@westmancom.com
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> \-Original Message-
>

RE: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations

[Todd Grand]

In reply to the group as my reply was only to Luke.


This is why I say, they should need to justify the extension of these costs.
In my opinion a transit provider should not have any justification to extend 
said costs.
One might suggest that the unjustified extension of these costs could be 
construed as fraudulent charges.

Todd Grand


-Original Message-
From: Luke Guillory [mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:08 AM
To: Todd Grand <tgr...@tgrand.com>
Cc: Eric Dugas <edu...@unknowndevice.ca>; Graham Johnston 
<johnst...@westmancom.com>; NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations

On transit though? We in the US pay all of these types of fees as well though 
not on service outside of telephone.



Sent from my iPad

>

Luke Guillory
Network Operations Manager

Tel:985.536.1212
Fax:985.536.0300
Email:  lguill...@reservetele.com

Reserve Telecommunications
100 RTC Dr
Reserve, LA 70084

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On Mar 14, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Todd Grand <tgr...@tgrand.com> wrote:
>
>
> These costs are related to federal, provincial and/or municipal 
> mandates, programs and requirements such as provincial 9-1-1 fees, 
> spectrum acquisition, licensing charges, and contribution charges to 
> help subsidize telephone service in rural and remote areas. These 
> costs are not taxes or amounts that the government requires carriers 
> to collect. The specific amount of these costs can vary as the 
> fees/costs of government mandates/programs change.
>
> I would have them outline what regulatory costs they incur, as they 
> have to justify the extension of these costs, or in my opinion it is a 
> form of fraud.
>
> Todd Grand
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+tgrand=tgrand@nanog.org] On 
> Behalf Of Eric Dugas
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:00 AM
> To: Graham Johnston <johnst...@westmancom.com>
> Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
>
> From what I've gathered so far, every other carriers that we use are 
> either invoicing us from Canada or outside the US (e.g. Telia from 
> Vancouver, BC and Cogent from Toronto, ON).
>
>
>
> A couple of minutes after firing my first email, our rep called me to 
> follow up. He'll escalate this as far as he can with his COO and CFO 
> and suggested two scenarios.
>
>
> On Mar 14 2017, at 10:41 am, Graham Johnston 
> <johnst...@westmancom.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We don't explicitly pay a charge like this for the transit bandwidth 
>> we
> purchase in Toronto from an international carrier, and I doubt that it 
> is built into the cost without any mention of it. I've never heard of 
> such a thing.
>
>>
>
>> Graham Johnston
> Network Planner
> Westman Communications Group
> 204.717.2829
> johnst...@westmancom.com
>
>>
>
>> \-Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Eric Dugas
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:04 AM
> To: NANOG
> Subject: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
>
>>
>
>> I recently negotiated a new contract with a tier1 for IP transit in 
>> Canada
> and
> just got the invoice. I saw a "new" Regulatory Recovery Surcharge of 
> 10% the MRC (before taxes) that I've never seen before. Do any of my 
> Canadian fellows on this list are paying this outrageous surcharge?
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Other than saying "it's in the MSA", our rep, their tax and billing
> department
> are not useful at all. The actual rate is not specified anywhere in 
> the MSA or in the contract.
>

Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations

[Ken Chase]

We've never seen anything like this on our Canadian transit bills (Cogent,
NAC, GTT, Hurricane.)

/kc
-- 
Ken Chase - m...@sizone.org Guelph Canada

Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations

[Luke Guillory]

On transit though? We in the US pay all of these types of fees as well though 
not on service outside of telephone.



Sent from my iPad

>

Luke Guillory
Network Operations Manager

Tel:985.536.1212
Fax:985.536.0300
Email:  lguill...@reservetele.com

Reserve Telecommunications
100 RTC Dr
Reserve, LA 70084

_

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The information transmitted, including attachments, is intended only for the 
person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential 
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this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail 
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errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of 
e-mail transmission. .

On Mar 14, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Todd Grand <tgr...@tgrand.com> wrote:
>
>
> These costs are related to federal, provincial and/or municipal mandates,
> programs and requirements such as provincial 9-1-1 fees, spectrum
> acquisition, licensing charges, and contribution charges to help subsidize
> telephone service in rural and remote areas. These costs are not taxes or
> amounts that the government requires carriers to collect. The specific
> amount of these costs can vary as the fees/costs of government
> mandates/programs change.
>
> I would have them outline what regulatory costs they incur, as they have to
> justify the extension of these costs, or in my opinion it is a form of
> fraud.
>
> Todd Grand
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+tgrand=tgrand@nanog.org] On Behalf Of
> Eric Dugas
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:00 AM
> To: Graham Johnston <johnst...@westmancom.com>
> Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
>
> From what I've gathered so far, every other carriers that we use are either
> invoicing us from Canada or outside the US (e.g. Telia from Vancouver, BC
> and Cogent from Toronto, ON).
>
>
>
> A couple of minutes after firing my first email, our rep called me to follow
> up. He'll escalate this as far as he can with his COO and CFO and suggested
> two scenarios.
>
>
> On Mar 14 2017, at 10:41 am, Graham Johnston <johnst...@westmancom.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We don't explicitly pay a charge like this for the transit bandwidth
>> we
> purchase in Toronto from an international carrier, and I doubt that it is
> built into the cost without any mention of it. I've never heard of such a
> thing.
>
>>
>
>> Graham Johnston
> Network Planner
> Westman Communications Group
> 204.717.2829
> johnst...@westmancom.com
>
>>
>
>> \-Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Eric Dugas
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:04 AM
> To: NANOG
> Subject: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
>
>>
>
>> I recently negotiated a new contract with a tier1 for IP transit in
>> Canada
> and
> just got the invoice. I saw a "new" Regulatory Recovery Surcharge of 10% the
> MRC (before taxes) that I've never seen before. Do any of my Canadian
> fellows on this list are paying this outrageous surcharge?
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Other than saying "it's in the MSA", our rep, their tax and billing
> department
> are not useful at all. The actual rate is not specified anywhere in the MSA
> or in the contract.
>

RE: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations

[Todd Grand]

These costs are related to federal, provincial and/or municipal mandates,
programs and requirements such as provincial 9-1-1 fees, spectrum
acquisition, licensing charges, and contribution charges to help subsidize
telephone service in rural and remote areas. These costs are not taxes or
amounts that the government requires carriers to collect. The specific
amount of these costs can vary as the fees/costs of government
mandates/programs change.

I would have them outline what regulatory costs they incur, as they have to
justify the extension of these costs, or in my opinion it is a form of
fraud.

Todd Grand 


-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+tgrand=tgrand@nanog.org] On Behalf Of
Eric Dugas
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:00 AM
To: Graham Johnston <johnst...@westmancom.com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations

>From what I've gathered so far, every other carriers that we use are either
invoicing us from Canada or outside the US (e.g. Telia from Vancouver, BC
and Cogent from Toronto, ON).

  

A couple of minutes after firing my first email, our rep called me to follow
up. He'll escalate this as far as he can with his COO and CFO and suggested
two scenarios.  

  
On Mar 14 2017, at 10:41 am, Graham Johnston <johnst...@westmancom.com>
wrote:  

> We don't explicitly pay a charge like this for the transit bandwidth 
> we
purchase in Toronto from an international carrier, and I doubt that it is
built into the cost without any mention of it. I've never heard of such a
thing.

>

> Graham Johnston
Network Planner
Westman Communications Group
204.717.2829
johnst...@westmancom.com

>

> \-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Eric Dugas
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:04 AM
To: NANOG
Subject: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations

>

> I recently negotiated a new contract with a tier1 for IP transit in 
> Canada
and
just got the invoice. I saw a "new" Regulatory Recovery Surcharge of 10% the
MRC (before taxes) that I've never seen before. Do any of my Canadian
fellows on this list are paying this outrageous surcharge?

>

>

>

> Other than saying "it's in the MSA", our rep, their tax and billing
department
are not useful at all. The actual rate is not specified anywhere in the MSA
or in the contract.

Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations

[Eric Dugas]

>From what I've gathered so far, every other carriers that we use are either
invoicing us from Canada or outside the US (e.g. Telia from Vancouver, BC and
Cogent from Toronto, ON).

  

A couple of minutes after firing my first email, our rep called me to follow
up. He'll escalate this as far as he can with his COO and CFO and suggested
two scenarios.  

  
On Mar 14 2017, at 10:41 am, Graham Johnston  wrote:  

> We don't explicitly pay a charge like this for the transit bandwidth we
purchase in Toronto from an international carrier, and I doubt that it is
built into the cost without any mention of it. I've never heard of such a
thing.

>

> Graham Johnston  
Network Planner  
Westman Communications Group  
204.717.2829  
johnst...@westmancom.com

>

> \-Original Message-  
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Eric Dugas  
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:04 AM  
To: NANOG  
Subject: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations

>

> I recently negotiated a new contract with a tier1 for IP transit in Canada
and  
just got the invoice. I saw a "new" Regulatory Recovery Surcharge of 10% the  
MRC (before taxes) that I've never seen before. Do any of my Canadian fellows  
on this list are paying this outrageous surcharge?

>

>

>

> Other than saying "it's in the MSA", our rep, their tax and billing
department  
are not useful at all. The actual rate is not specified anywhere in the MSA or  
in the contract.

RE: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations

[Graham Johnston]

We don't explicitly pay a charge like this for the transit bandwidth we 
purchase in Toronto from an international carrier, and I doubt that it is built 
into the cost without any mention of it. I've never heard of such a thing.

Graham Johnston
Network Planner
Westman Communications Group
204.717.2829
johnst...@westmancom.com

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Eric Dugas
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:04 AM
To: NANOG
Subject: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations

I recently negotiated a new contract with a tier1 for IP transit in Canada and
just got the invoice. I saw a "new" Regulatory Recovery Surcharge of 10% the
MRC (before taxes) that I've never seen before. Do any of my Canadian fellows
on this list are paying this outrageous surcharge?  

  

Other than saying "it's in the MSA", our rep, their tax and billing department
are not useful at all. The actual rate is not specified anywhere in the MSA or
in the contract.