Re: Remote power cycle recommendations

[Ben Cannon]

Good point, and important reminder to segment!  None of this stuff is to be 
considered secure.  Don’t feel bad, I left a box I’d just put a fresh slackware 
install on, this was perhaps 2000 or 1999 too keep in mind, anyway I left it 
running with a public IP and no root password. For an hour.  Came back from 
lunch to finish the install and it was already hacked.

-Ben.

> On Apr 30, 2018, at 12:51 PM, Michel 'ic' Luczak  wrote:
> 
> I had more or less the same experience with APC Masterswitches (fried a few 
> of those) ;) + the included free backdoors and default admin passwords and 
> write communities (I got my whole platform shutdown by someone once). I guess 
> YMMV.
> 
>> On 30 Apr 2018, at 21:49, Ben Cannon  wrote:
>> 
>> I want to love these, but I’ve had enough problems (3 bad units, one 8 port 
>> wiped it’s config and reset itself) causing outages, out of the 6 or so 
>> devices I’ve deployed, to ever use them in a critical production role.
>> 
>>> On Apr 30, 2018, at 12:19 PM, Michel 'ic' Luczak  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If rack-mount is not a hard requirement, I would definitely look into 
>>> Ubiquiti’s mPower range. You will find anything from a single socket (WiFi 
>>> only) to a 6 socket PDU (WiFi and Ethernet, probably 8 sockets for US but 
>>> I’m in Europe) with central management system (free) and detailed 
>>> consumption graphs and costs if you provide the kWh cost.
>>> 
>>> I’m running many of those with the controller/management software installed 
>>> remotely in a central location and have several alerts and automation 
>>> scripts setup when consumption goes beyond a certain level (meaning the 
>>> equipment has crashed).
>>> 
>>> https://www.ubnt.com/mfi/mpower/
>>> 
>>> Regards, Michel
>>> 
 On 27 Apr 2018, at 17:46, Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:
 
 I’m sure many here are familiar with or using/have used devices to 
 remotely power cycle equipment. I’m considering a Dataprobe iBoot-G2 and 
 am curious if you’ve had experience with it, or other recommendations.
 
 I only need one outlet to be remotely power cycle-able. I have one piece 
 of equipment that is occasionally a little flaky and, well, you know the 
 hassle.
 
 What do people recommend? There seem to be plenty out there which are more 
 designed to auto-reboot when Internet connectivity is lost, aka remotely 
 reboot the ‘ol cable modem for instance, but that’s not my scenario.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 
 Andy Ringsmuth
 a...@newslink.com
 News Link – Manager Technology, Travel & Facilities
 2201 Winthrop Rd., Lincoln, NE 68502-4158
 (402) 475-6397(402) 304-0083 cellular
 
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: Remote power cycle recommendations

[Ben Cannon]

I want to love these, but I’ve had enough problems (3 bad units, one 8 port 
wiped it’s config and reset itself) causing outages, out of the 6 or so devices 
I’ve deployed, to ever use them in a critical production role.

> On Apr 30, 2018, at 12:19 PM, Michel 'ic' Luczak  wrote:
> 
> If rack-mount is not a hard requirement, I would definitely look into 
> Ubiquiti’s mPower range. You will find anything from a single socket (WiFi 
> only) to a 6 socket PDU (WiFi and Ethernet, probably 8 sockets for US but I’m 
> in Europe) with central management system (free) and detailed consumption 
> graphs and costs if you provide the kWh cost.
> 
> I’m running many of those with the controller/management software installed 
> remotely in a central location and have several alerts and automation scripts 
> setup when consumption goes beyond a certain level (meaning the equipment has 
> crashed).
> 
> https://www.ubnt.com/mfi/mpower/
> 
> Regards, Michel
> 
>> On 27 Apr 2018, at 17:46, Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m sure many here are familiar with or using/have used devices to remotely 
>> power cycle equipment. I’m considering a Dataprobe iBoot-G2 and am curious 
>> if you’ve had experience with it, or other recommendations.
>> 
>> I only need one outlet to be remotely power cycle-able. I have one piece of 
>> equipment that is occasionally a little flaky and, well, you know the hassle.
>> 
>> What do people recommend? There seem to be plenty out there which are more 
>> designed to auto-reboot when Internet connectivity is lost, aka remotely 
>> reboot the ‘ol cable modem for instance, but that’s not my scenario.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> 
>> Andy Ringsmuth
>> a...@newslink.com
>> News Link – Manager Technology, Travel & Facilities
>> 2201 Winthrop Rd., Lincoln, NE 68502-4158
>> (402) 475-6397(402) 304-0083 cellular
>> 
> 

RE: Remote power cycle recommendations

[Edwin Pers]

MFI was abandoned by ubnt some time ago. I've got a few of their environmental 
monitoring devices from that line in place and wouldn't really recommend any of 
it. The controller software is flakey, finicky, and hasn't been updated in 
years.

-Ed

-Original Message-
From: NANOG <nanog-boun...@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Michel 'ic' Luczak
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 3:19 PM
To: Andy Ringsmuth <a...@newslink.com>
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Remote power cycle recommendations

If rack-mount is not a hard requirement, I would definitely look into 
Ubiquiti’s mPower range. You will find anything from a single socket (WiFi 
only) to a 6 socket PDU (WiFi and Ethernet, probably 8 sockets for US but I’m 
in Europe) with central management system (free) and detailed consumption 
graphs and costs if you provide the kWh cost.

I’m running many of those with the controller/management software installed 
remotely in a central location and have several alerts and automation scripts 
setup when consumption goes beyond a certain level (meaning the equipment has 
crashed).

https://www.ubnt.com/mfi/mpower/

Regards, Michel

> On 27 Apr 2018, at 17:46, Andy Ringsmuth <a...@newslink.com> wrote:
> 
> I’m sure many here are familiar with or using/have used devices to remotely 
> power cycle equipment. I’m considering a Dataprobe iBoot-G2 and am curious if 
> you’ve had experience with it, or other recommendations.
> 
> I only need one outlet to be remotely power cycle-able. I have one piece of 
> equipment that is occasionally a little flaky and, well, you know the hassle.
> 
> What do people recommend? There seem to be plenty out there which are more 
> designed to auto-reboot when Internet connectivity is lost, aka remotely 
> reboot the ‘ol cable modem for instance, but that’s not my scenario.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> Andy Ringsmuth
> a...@newslink.com
> News Link – Manager Technology, Travel & Facilities
> 2201 Winthrop Rd., Lincoln, NE 68502-4158
> (402) 475-6397(402) 304-0083 cellular
> 

Re: Remote power cycle recommendations

[Michel 'ic' Luczak]

I had more or less the same experience with APC Masterswitches (fried a few of 
those) ;) + the included free backdoors and default admin passwords and write 
communities (I got my whole platform shutdown by someone once). I guess YMMV.

> On 30 Apr 2018, at 21:49, Ben Cannon  wrote:
> 
> I want to love these, but I’ve had enough problems (3 bad units, one 8 port 
> wiped it’s config and reset itself) causing outages, out of the 6 or so 
> devices I’ve deployed, to ever use them in a critical production role.
> 
>> On Apr 30, 2018, at 12:19 PM, Michel 'ic' Luczak  wrote:
>> 
>> If rack-mount is not a hard requirement, I would definitely look into 
>> Ubiquiti’s mPower range. You will find anything from a single socket (WiFi 
>> only) to a 6 socket PDU (WiFi and Ethernet, probably 8 sockets for US but 
>> I’m in Europe) with central management system (free) and detailed 
>> consumption graphs and costs if you provide the kWh cost.
>> 
>> I’m running many of those with the controller/management software installed 
>> remotely in a central location and have several alerts and automation 
>> scripts setup when consumption goes beyond a certain level (meaning the 
>> equipment has crashed).
>> 
>> https://www.ubnt.com/mfi/mpower/
>> 
>> Regards, Michel
>> 
>>> On 27 Apr 2018, at 17:46, Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m sure many here are familiar with or using/have used devices to remotely 
>>> power cycle equipment. I’m considering a Dataprobe iBoot-G2 and am curious 
>>> if you’ve had experience with it, or other recommendations.
>>> 
>>> I only need one outlet to be remotely power cycle-able. I have one piece of 
>>> equipment that is occasionally a little flaky and, well, you know the 
>>> hassle.
>>> 
>>> What do people recommend? There seem to be plenty out there which are more 
>>> designed to auto-reboot when Internet connectivity is lost, aka remotely 
>>> reboot the ‘ol cable modem for instance, but that’s not my scenario.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Andy Ringsmuth
>>> a...@newslink.com
>>> News Link – Manager Technology, Travel & Facilities
>>> 2201 Winthrop Rd., Lincoln, NE 68502-4158
>>> (402) 475-6397(402) 304-0083 cellular
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: Remote power cycle recommendations

[Michel 'ic' Luczak]

If rack-mount is not a hard requirement, I would definitely look into 
Ubiquiti’s mPower range. You will find anything from a single socket (WiFi 
only) to a 6 socket PDU (WiFi and Ethernet, probably 8 sockets for US but I’m 
in Europe) with central management system (free) and detailed consumption 
graphs and costs if you provide the kWh cost.

I’m running many of those with the controller/management software installed 
remotely in a central location and have several alerts and automation scripts 
setup when consumption goes beyond a certain level (meaning the equipment has 
crashed).

https://www.ubnt.com/mfi/mpower/

Regards, Michel

> On 27 Apr 2018, at 17:46, Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:
> 
> I’m sure many here are familiar with or using/have used devices to remotely 
> power cycle equipment. I’m considering a Dataprobe iBoot-G2 and am curious if 
> you’ve had experience with it, or other recommendations.
> 
> I only need one outlet to be remotely power cycle-able. I have one piece of 
> equipment that is occasionally a little flaky and, well, you know the hassle.
> 
> What do people recommend? There seem to be plenty out there which are more 
> designed to auto-reboot when Internet connectivity is lost, aka remotely 
> reboot the ‘ol cable modem for instance, but that’s not my scenario.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> Andy Ringsmuth
> a...@newslink.com
> News Link – Manager Technology, Travel & Facilities
> 2201 Winthrop Rd., Lincoln, NE 68502-4158
> (402) 475-6397(402) 304-0083 cellular
> 

Re: Remote power cycle recommendations

[Stephen Satchell]

On 04/30/2018 10:05 AM, William Herrin wrote:

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Brielle Bruns  wrote:

In particular, if at all possible, do not use the AP9606 era cards with the
APCs.  They are 10BaseT and take fragile to a whole new level.  I usually
have to manually force the port to 10 on the switch or put it on a cheap
dumb older switch.

They're fragile but they're not_that_  fragile. A switch that can't
figure out 10 mbps half duplex... now that's fragile.


Personally, I've not run into THAT problem in years.  What I have run 
into is when you have a 10base-T target and you connect it to a 
100base-T (or faster) infrastructure, the switch as part of the rate 
changing will tend to flood the poor embedded stack if your application 
layer isn't very, very careful to space out packets.


At best your embedded-stack device will lose packets.  At worst, you 
will have to power-cycle the poor dear in order to get it to start 
listening to the network again.


Let me repeat, this observation is not restricted to the AP9606 cards; 
it seems to be an issue with embedded-stack devices in general.


Subject change:  one other thing about the AP9606 cards:  they have a 
battery on them, and you do have to change that battery every decade or 
so...

Re: Remote power cycle recommendations

[William Herrin]

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Brielle Bruns  wrote:
> In particular, if at all possible, do not use the AP9606 era cards with the
> APCs.  They are 10BaseT and take fragile to a whole new level.  I usually
> have to manually force the port to 10 on the switch or put it on a cheap
> dumb older switch.

They're fragile but they're not _that_ fragile. A switch that can't
figure out 10 mbps half duplex... now that's fragile.

-Bill



-- 
William Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us
Dirtside Systems . Web: 

Re: Remote power cycle recommendations

[Brielle Bruns]

On 4/30/2018 9:46 AM, Stephen Satchell wrote:
I've worked with APC, Synaccess, and a couple other brands of power 
controllers.  One constant:  the IP stack implementations tend to be a 
bit fragile.  This is not restricted to power controllers; I have a GPS 
NTP appliance that is affected by the same sorts of things.


I'll stick with APC and Synaccess, because I currently work with those. 
You want to avoid presenting these conditions to the embedded stack:


1.  ARP storms
2.  Lots of layer 2 and layer 3 broadcast traffic
3.  Probes for ports not implemented in the stack
4.  Too much traffic (SNMP in particular)

I like keeping all such devices on a single management VLAN dedicated to 
embedded-stack devices.  The Ethernet hardware tends to be competent at 
filtering packets not intended for the device, so you don't have to go 
overboard with VLANs.  It's the software behind the hardware that is 
easy to overwhelm if you throw too many packets at it.


(But you knew this already)



In particular, if at all possible, do not use the AP9606 era cards with 
the APCs.  They are 10BaseT and take fragile to a whole new level.  I 
usually have to manually force the port to 10 on the switch or put it on 
a cheap dumb older switch.


The 961X series is 100BaseT and somewhat less temperamental.


--
Brielle Bruns
The Summit Open Source Development Group
http://www.sosdg.org/ http://www.ahbl.org

Re: Remote power cycle recommendations

[Stephen Satchell]

I've worked with APC, Synaccess, and a couple other brands of power 
controllers.  One constant:  the IP stack implementations tend to be a 
bit fragile.  This is not restricted to power controllers; I have a GPS 
NTP appliance that is affected by the same sorts of things.


I'll stick with APC and Synaccess, because I currently work with those. 
You want to avoid presenting these conditions to the embedded stack:


1.  ARP storms
2.  Lots of layer 2 and layer 3 broadcast traffic
3.  Probes for ports not implemented in the stack
4.  Too much traffic (SNMP in particular)

I like keeping all such devices on a single management VLAN dedicated to 
embedded-stack devices.  The Ethernet hardware tends to be competent at 
filtering packets not intended for the device, so you don't have to go 
overboard with VLANs.  It's the software behind the hardware that is 
easy to overwhelm if you throw too many packets at it.


(But you knew this already)

Re: Remote power cycle recommendations

[Jeroen Wunnink]

Various APC-rackmountable equipment. They come in all sorts of sizes and 
capacity.

C13/C19, single breaker, dual feed/breaker, 19" rackmount, 0 HE vertical 
rackmount in the back. They have a web/snmp/telnet interface, separate account 
management, so very easy to control.
Delayed power-on per outlet options after an outage so you won't peak/blow your 
main breakers is an important one as well.


 
 
Jeroen Wunnink
Integration Engineering Manager
 
www.gtt.net 


 
On 27/04/2018, 17:47, "NANOG on behalf of Andy Ringsmuth" 
 wrote:

I’m sure many here are familiar with or using/have used devices to remotely 
power cycle equipment. I’m considering a Dataprobe iBoot-G2 and am curious if 
you’ve had experience with it, or other recommendations.

I only need one outlet to be remotely power cycle-able. I have one piece of 
equipment that is occasionally a little flaky and, well, you know the hassle.

What do people recommend? There seem to be plenty out there which are more 
designed to auto-reboot when Internet connectivity is lost, aka remotely reboot 
the ‘ol cable modem for instance, but that’s not my scenario.

Thanks in advance.


Andy Ringsmuth
a...@newslink.com
News Link – Manager Technology, Travel & Facilities
2201 Winthrop Rd., Lincoln, NE 68502-4158
(402) 475-6397(402) 304-0083 cellular

Re: Remote power cycle recommendations

[Alain Hebert]

    Well I don't have all the model # handy,


But we have a rack setup like this =D

    2 feed 220v/30a going into:

        2 x ATS AP4431 (an older version) feeding:

            2 x AP7941 - Manageable

                21 x C13 - per AP - for the devices.

                2 x C19 going into:

                    2 x ATS AP7723 - Monitorable

                        8 x C13 - per AP - For servers (with ILO/iDRAC) 
with single power supplies.


    1 feed 110v/15a going into:

        Some APC(?) rackmount UPS

            1 x AP7920B (an older version of it) - Manageable

                For device like OOB Modem, Server...


    All used, with spares, for under 2k.

    Its too bad for APC for making such sturdy devices and providing 
award winning documentation =D



BOM for new:

    AP4431 -> $1275
    AP7941 -> AP8941 -> $1000
    AP7723 -> AP4434 -> $1050
    AP7920B - $579

    Total: ~$7230

    Which is pretty good considering.  PS: Check if the Mgmt Card is 
included at that price.



Caution:
    1. DO NOT put any infrastructure interfaces on the net; put them 
behind a high grade (2FA | Certificate+TLS) VPN access;


        I saw so many, so called PCI Certified, clients do it...

    2. And remember to not go over 24A total or you may turn a breaker 
to dust.


    3. It is not optimal because of the 110v but we had it...

-
Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net
PubNIX Inc.
50 boul. St-Charles
P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7
Tel: 514-990-5911  http://www.pubnix.netFax: 514-990-9443

On 04/28/18 04:42, Alan Buxey wrote:

+1 for the APC kit  :)

alan

Re: Remote power cycle recommendations

[Ben Cannon]

Third for the APC9211, though I’ll add that you might “think” you only want one 
outlet now, but once you have the ability you will invariably want to control 
more ;)

-Ben

> On Apr 27, 2018, at 10:21 AM, Brielle Bruns  wrote:
> 
>> On 4/27/2018 11:03 AM, William Herrin wrote:
>>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:
>>> I’m sure many here are familiar with or using/have used devices to remotely 
>>> power cycle equipment. I’m considering a Dataprobe iBoot-G2 and am curious 
>>> if you’ve had experience with it, or other recommendations.
>>> 
>>> I only need one outlet to be remotely power cycle-able. I have one piece of 
>>> equipment that is occasionally a little flaky and, well, you know the 
>>> hassle.
>> The ancient (read: cheap used) APC AP9211's still get the job done.
>> Regards,
>> Bill Herrin
> 
> Def can't recommend the AP9211s enough to people needing remote power 
> control.  You should be able to put the more modern AP961X series of cards in 
> it as well.  The AP9617 is the basic module, the 9619 has environmental 
> monitoring, and the 9618 has both the environmental stuff plus an analog 
> modem.
> 
> The management modules can be reloaded with various types of firmware to make 
> them compatible with everything from the rack mount PDUs to Symmetras and the 
> run of the mill desktop or rack mount UPSs.
> 
> -- 
> Brielle Bruns
> The Summit Open Source Development Group
> http://www.sosdg.org/ http://www.ahbl.org

Re: Remote power cycle recommendations

[Alan Buxey]

+1 for the APC kit  :)

alan

Re: Remote power cycle recommendations

[Brielle Bruns]

On 4/27/2018 11:03 AM, William Herrin wrote:

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:

I’m sure many here are familiar with or using/have used devices to remotely 
power cycle equipment. I’m considering a Dataprobe iBoot-G2 and am curious if 
you’ve had experience with it, or other recommendations.

I only need one outlet to be remotely power cycle-able. I have one piece of 
equipment that is occasionally a little flaky and, well, you know the hassle.


The ancient (read: cheap used) APC AP9211's still get the job done.

Regards,
Bill Herrin



Def can't recommend the AP9211s enough to people needing remote power 
control.  You should be able to put the more modern AP961X series of 
cards in it as well.  The AP9617 is the basic module, the 9619 has 
environmental monitoring, and the 9618 has both the environmental stuff 
plus an analog modem.


The management modules can be reloaded with various types of firmware to 
make them compatible with everything from the rack mount PDUs to 
Symmetras and the run of the mill desktop or rack mount UPSs.


--
Brielle Bruns
The Summit Open Source Development Group
http://www.sosdg.org/ http://www.ahbl.org

Re: Remote power cycle recommendations

[Roy]

We use Synaccess

https://www.synaccess-net.com/switched/

Re: Remote power cycle recommendations

[William Herrin]

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:
> I’m sure many here are familiar with or using/have used devices to remotely 
> power cycle equipment. I’m considering a Dataprobe iBoot-G2 and am curious if 
> you’ve had experience with it, or other recommendations.
>
> I only need one outlet to be remotely power cycle-able. I have one piece of 
> equipment that is occasionally a little flaky and, well, you know the hassle.

The ancient (read: cheap used) APC AP9211's still get the job done.

Regards,
Bill Herrin

-- 
William Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us
Dirtside Systems . Web: 

Re: Remote power cycle recommendations

[Keefe John]

We've used Digital Loggers products for nearly 15 years.

https://www.digital-loggers.com/

Keefe


On 4/27/2018 11:16 AM, Tim Pozar wrote:

I have been picking up Server Technology CW-8H1-C20M boxes on eBay for
about $45 to $65 each...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Server-Technology-CW-8H1-C20M-Switched-Power-Distribution-PDU-1U-Rackmount/332622720429

You can even get some recent firmware for these.

https://www.servertech.com/support/rack-pdu-firmware-downloads/switched-rack-pdu-firmware-downloads

One thing you will need is a NEMA 5-15P to C19 power cable to fit these
units.  I am sure you can find these cheaper than...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009Z22DRC

Tim

On 4/27/18 8:46 AM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:

I’m sure many here are familiar with or using/have used devices to remotely 
power cycle equipment. I’m considering a Dataprobe iBoot-G2 and am curious if 
you’ve had experience with it, or other recommendations.

I only need one outlet to be remotely power cycle-able. I have one piece of 
equipment that is occasionally a little flaky and, well, you know the hassle.

What do people recommend? There seem to be plenty out there which are more 
designed to auto-reboot when Internet connectivity is lost, aka remotely reboot 
the ‘ol cable modem for instance, but that’s not my scenario.

Thanks in advance.


Andy Ringsmuth
a...@newslink.com
News Link – Manager Technology, Travel & Facilities
2201 Winthrop Rd., Lincoln, NE 68502-4158
(402) 475-6397(402) 304-0083 cellular

Re: Remote power cycle recommendations

[Tim Pozar]

I have been picking up Server Technology CW-8H1-C20M boxes on eBay for
about $45 to $65 each...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Server-Technology-CW-8H1-C20M-Switched-Power-Distribution-PDU-1U-Rackmount/332622720429

You can even get some recent firmware for these.

https://www.servertech.com/support/rack-pdu-firmware-downloads/switched-rack-pdu-firmware-downloads

One thing you will need is a NEMA 5-15P to C19 power cable to fit these
units.  I am sure you can find these cheaper than...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009Z22DRC

Tim

On 4/27/18 8:46 AM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
> I’m sure many here are familiar with or using/have used devices to remotely 
> power cycle equipment. I’m considering a Dataprobe iBoot-G2 and am curious if 
> you’ve had experience with it, or other recommendations.
> 
> I only need one outlet to be remotely power cycle-able. I have one piece of 
> equipment that is occasionally a little flaky and, well, you know the hassle.
> 
> What do people recommend? There seem to be plenty out there which are more 
> designed to auto-reboot when Internet connectivity is lost, aka remotely 
> reboot the ‘ol cable modem for instance, but that’s not my scenario.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> Andy Ringsmuth
> a...@newslink.com
> News Link – Manager Technology, Travel & Facilities
> 2201 Winthrop Rd., Lincoln, NE 68502-4158
> (402) 475-6397(402) 304-0083 cellular
>