RE: Windows 10 Release
An article in VARGuy said they'd booked 40 Tb/s of capacity from Akamai, Limelight, and four or five other CDNs that I did not recognize by name. I presume each machine will have to contact at least one machine at microsoft.com to confirm signatures on downloaded packages, et alia. - jra On July 28, 2015 8:09:52 PM EDT, Erik Sundberg esundb...@nitelusa.com wrote: Does anyone know if Microsoft will be hosting the downloads from there ASN 8075 or from an CDN Provider like Akamai? -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 6:43 PM To: Niels Bakker niels=na...@bakker.net; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Windows 10 Release Microsoft tells me 3.2 GB for win 10 pro 64 bit. On July 28, 2015 6:04:04 PM EDT, Niels Bakker niels=na...@bakker.net wrote: * n...@flhsi.com (Nick Olsen) [Tue 28 Jul 2015, 22:46 CEST]: Being a 3-4GB download. Each device is moving more data than any Apple update ever did. I'm not so sure of that. The 10.9 install image clocked in at 4.9 GB, and the Mac App Store for 10.10 Yosemite says Size: 5.67 GB; http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/features says 3GB download required in the small print at the bottom. -- Niels. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e-mail messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this transmission is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by replying to this e-mail. You must destroy the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving in any manner. Thank you. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
RE: Windows 10 Release
Just like the phone needs a google account, the computer might end up needing a microsoft account. That does not make it *my* account nor require that *I* use it. Like the phone, it will simply be to keep the computer in minimal happiness. You are right though, and it would be nice it stayed a stand-alone OS. It might end up being the stray that drives more people to an alternate OS. Or maybe not. i Things have required apple accounts for decades -- but then again -- I would not expect anything different from the iThing crowd. -Original Message- From: Nick Hilliard [mailto:n...@foobar.org] Sent: Saturday, 1 August, 2015 06:05 To: Keith Medcalf; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Windows 10 Release On 01/08/2015 03:27, Keith Medcalf wrote: It just means that you cannot use the crappy apps or the crappy app store. which is fine until Microsoft ties in future software upgrades to the app store and you find that you can't upgrade without tying yourself into a Microsoft account. E.g. just like they did with the Windows 8.0 to 8.1 upgrade. Nick
Re: Windows 10 Release
1. Aug 2015 10:05 by n...@foobar.org: On 01/08/2015 03:27, Keith Medcalf wrote: It just means that you cannot use the crappy apps or the crappy app store. which is fine until Microsoft ties in future software upgrades to the app store and you find that you can't upgrade without tying yourself into a Microsoft account. E.g. just like they did with the Windows 8.0 to 8.1 upgrade. It's been a while but I'm near certain that they did not require a microsoft account to download the 8.1 update - you just had to use their sucky application to start the process
Re: Windows 10 Release
Pay attention to your account because it is still possible to reveal the passwords http://sysadminconcombre.blogspot.ca/2015/07/how-to-reveal-windows-10-password.html and https://twitter.com/pabraeken/status/627493309674573824 On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 10:44 AM, tqr2813d376cjozqa...@tutanota.com wrote: 1. Aug 2015 10:05 by n...@foobar.org: On 01/08/2015 03:27, Keith Medcalf wrote: It just means that you cannot use the crappy apps or the crappy app store. which is fine until Microsoft ties in future software upgrades to the app store and you find that you can't upgrade without tying yourself into a Microsoft account. E.g. just like they did with the Windows 8.0 to 8.1 upgrade. It's been a while but I'm near certain that they did not require a microsoft account to download the 8.1 update - you just had to use their sucky application to start the process
Re: Windows 10 Release
On 01/08/2015 03:27, Keith Medcalf wrote: It just means that you cannot use the crappy apps or the crappy app store. which is fine until Microsoft ties in future software upgrades to the app store and you find that you can't upgrade without tying yourself into a Microsoft account. E.g. just like they did with the Windows 8.0 to 8.1 upgrade. Nick
RE: Windows 10 Release
It takes no effort at all. You just do the same thing as has been done with every previous version of windows: When it asks for a LOCAL account and password, give it one. When it asks if you want to do a Microsoft Account, say no thank-you. Mind you, it does ask you about 8 times if you are REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY sure you don't want to create or use a Microsoft account (obviously because that must be worth a LOT of money to microsoft). But you do not have to do it. And it is not difficult to avoid creating/using a microsoft account. Nor does not having a Microsoft Account have any adverse effect. It just means that you cannot use the crappy apps or the crappy app store. The only failing that I find is that there is no way to actually get rid of all the cruft -- to say I do not want to use a Microsoft Account so please permanently remove anything which requires it, or which cannot be maintained without it. It is not as bad, however, as their propensity for turning the firewall off (and diddling the rules) everytime you get even the slightest update such that you have to go into the firewall settings on a daily basis and make sure they are still set the way YOU want them set and not the way Microsoft wants them set (Microsoft wants them completely disabled). -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Scott Helms Sent: Thursday, 30 July, 2015 10:35 To: Justin Mckillican Cc: nanog@nanog.org list Subject: Re: Windows 10 Release Justin, That's true, but it takes effort for people to either set up a local account or change to one, and very few consumers will do that or have. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Justin Mckillican jus...@mckill.ca wrote: Nope. For the upgrade the only piece of information MSFT needed was your email if you chose email notification once the upgrade was ready for you. After it's installed it will ask to finish up the install the 'Express' method which enabled a bunch of things like WIFI password sharing to friends and whatever else or if you chose the manual option like I did you can disable everything. It will also inherit your existing user settings, so if your user is a local one instead of a cloud one it will continue to be that way. It does install One Drive but again, if you never configured it or used it then you'll simply see it in your task bar with the welcome or signup screen. -justin On Jul 30, 2015, at 10:19 AM, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote: Since the requirement is that users are upgrading from Win 7, 8, or 8.1 they've already had to create at least a minimal MS ID which means either creating an email account on Outlook.com or providing an existing email address and a password for MS. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Matthew Black matthew.bl...@csulb.edu wrote: Are users required to create any type of Microsoft cloud account (e.g., OneDrive, Office365, et alil) in order to install and use Windows 10? Of Office? Is it possible to simply use Windows 10 without any Microsoft or Google or Yahoo accounts? Is the unique identifier available to advertisers only through IE (or its successor) OR will it also be available through Firefox/Chrome? matthew black california state university, long beach
Re: Windows 10 Release
From: Joe Greco jgr...@ns.sol.net Subject: Re: Windows 10 Release You can download an ISO and burn it to install... Guessing if your upgrading multiple machines, that would be the way to go... You don't even need to burn it to install. Just mount the ISO and run setup.exe I've searched, but have not found anything about it: Are you allowed to redistribute the .iso to the open public? If yes, this might save some smaller networks some bandwidth. Martin
RE: Windows 10 Release
From: STARNES, CURTIS [mailto:curtis.star...@granburyisd.org] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 is the download URL. This site launches the Download Tool so the ISO can be downloaded from Microsoft. Yeah, I know. But is it allowed to redistribute the .iso File(s)? Might help to save downloading some GB ... martin
RE: Windows 10 Release
Not sure about distributing but I would think it would be ok since it is an ISO for upgrading and the site says if it is a new installation a product key would be needed. Curtis -Original Message- From: Martin Hotze [mailto:m.ho...@hotze.com] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 8:17 AM To: STARNES, CURTIS curtis.star...@granburyisd.org; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Windows 10 Release From: STARNES, CURTIS [mailto:curtis.star...@granburyisd.org] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 is the download URL. This site launches the Download Tool so the ISO can be downloaded from Microsoft. Yeah, I know. But is it allowed to redistribute the .iso File(s)? Might help to save downloading some GB ... martin
Re: Windows 10 Release
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Not sure about open public but you can use that ISO on whatever many machines your licensed to... - --Tiernan On 30/07/2015 13:11, Martin Hotze wrote: From: Joe Greco jgr...@ns.sol.net Subject: Re: Windows 10 Release You can download an ISO and burn it to install... Guessing if your upgrading multiple machines, that would be the way to go... You don't even need to burn it to install. Just mount the ISO and run setup.exe I've searched, but have not found anything about it: Are you allowed to redistribute the .iso to the open public? If yes, this might save some smaller networks some bandwidth. Martin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJVuiAWAAoJECWDUKjOk5r1bOgP/RVHQd5VpAUCEAG/7wzxZzzZ rEmt6AgZvo2RT3zfyuUyuim3QY5s+x9ZDTniHvEEmxnqHYnVRjcG3eg8uT/uddeF 4hF2QCU6I3bAF33Tm1K2uvBUOcBEMEnyEDOJumxNLlgMpIeEq0xcjemEoYIhG/QY abu6k6q3oQf4fWnaioArK78WApa9Yl1n6HfMl5OLYl3zbteyeyfBxyKG2FOAiTrc r0IhAYzM0ZUw7UC2F6sD3Tx2Hp5lFwvno5nJVXROZF9Hobtswy3dBWJjcEWA/pQ8 T8Jn07gWT3RDhVpcVQ+G1EcqWs/8925qVk4V49EkoOPTmuHPo3RRmmwZMfAgKF07 mvfyOHeh5ATwmRj2sJ+0hVt2/ASk9H94pmzUdxjWy3mSoni7ssR6rLKM1pooVRwP v3cDxFc4f0pVwU4ZFwmmkwVLPpijwDGTpeKCUjqY7XPuXj3lpQoJCK9jY7Vorncs XDHKHVJz/WawNi9CVg4nHIifNXR8qwgBe8bAu2aEmA4Rayx4UY5fVDd/iyskgDmj xkEqBusEWIlmX+LjWG+P2ktb5SSBziMOsZLY9mH5DVtdStpSGTnTSuJ5f1EQVYJg t85Ier8Y20LOB4ikVDb6vsr8NEoKpH9101j2QI+qs/f2BygMxxcZBbUFhk4SHpnO Cx8tGp5G6cCRt4XNbXe1 =lNWD -END PGP SIGNATURE-
RE: Windows 10 Release
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 is the download URL. This site launches the Download Tool so the ISO can be downloaded from Microsoft. Curtis -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Martin Hotze Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 7:11 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Windows 10 Release From: Joe Greco jgr...@ns.sol.net Subject: Re: Windows 10 Release You can download an ISO and burn it to install... Guessing if your upgrading multiple machines, that would be the way to go... You don't even need to burn it to install. Just mount the ISO and run setup.exe I've searched, but have not found anything about it: Are you allowed to redistribute the .iso to the open public? If yes, this might save some smaller networks some bandwidth. Martin
Re: Windows 10 Release
Then they might want to show an official MD5/SHA1 on their website for the media. Or maybe simply offer a torrent/magnet-link ... Kind regards, Stefan On 30.07.2015 15:19, STARNES, CURTIS wrote: Not sure about distributing but I would think it would be ok since it is an ISO for upgrading and the site says if it is a new installation a product key would be needed. Curtis -Original Message- From: Martin Hotze [mailto:m.ho...@hotze.com] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 8:17 AM To: STARNES, CURTIS curtis.star...@granburyisd.org; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Windows 10 Release From: STARNES, CURTIS [mailto:curtis.star...@granburyisd.org] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 is the download URL. This site launches the Download Tool so the ISO can be downloaded from Microsoft. Yeah, I know. But is it allowed to redistribute the .iso File(s)? Might help to save downloading some GB ... martin
Re: Windows 10 Release
Nope. For the upgrade the only piece of information MSFT needed was your email if you chose email notification once the upgrade was ready for you. After it's installed it will ask to finish up the install the 'Express' method which enabled a bunch of things like WIFI password sharing to friends and whatever else or if you chose the manual option like I did you can disable everything. It will also inherit your existing user settings, so if your user is a local one instead of a cloud one it will continue to be that way. It does install One Drive but again, if you never configured it or used it then you'll simply see it in your task bar with the welcome or signup screen. -justin On Jul 30, 2015, at 10:19 AM, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote: Since the requirement is that users are upgrading from Win 7, 8, or 8.1 they've already had to create at least a minimal MS ID which means either creating an email account on Outlook.com or providing an existing email address and a password for MS. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Matthew Black matthew.bl...@csulb.edu wrote: Are users required to create any type of Microsoft cloud account (e.g., OneDrive, Office365, et alil) in order to install and use Windows 10? Of Office? Is it possible to simply use Windows 10 without any Microsoft or Google or Yahoo accounts? Is the unique identifier available to advertisers only through IE (or its successor) OR will it also be available through Firefox/Chrome? matthew black california state university, long beach smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Windows 10 Release
I was just thinking about my remaining Win 7 box _after_ I hit send and I believe you're correct (I have one still to upgrade). Which means users upgrading from 7 to 10 will need to create an ID, but users of 8 and 8.1 will use the one they already have. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Brooks Bridges bro...@firestormnetworks.net wrote: Just as a point of debate, I've been using Windows 7 for quite some time and I do not, nor have I ever, given MS any email information or have I created a Live account. On 7/30/2015 7:19 AM, Scott Helms wrote: Since the requirement is that users are upgrading from Win 7, 8, or 8.1 they've already had to create at least a minimal MS ID which means either creating an email account on Outlook.com or providing an existing email address and a password for MS. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Matthew Black matthew.bl...@csulb.edu wrote: Are users required to create any type of Microsoft cloud account (e.g., OneDrive, Office365, et alil) in order to install and use Windows 10? Of Office? Is it possible to simply use Windows 10 without any Microsoft or Google or Yahoo accounts? Is the unique identifier available to advertisers only through IE (or its successor) OR will it also be available through Firefox/Chrome? matthew black california state university, long beach
Re: Windows 10 Release
Justin, That's true, but it takes effort for people to either set up a local account or change to one, and very few consumers will do that or have. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Justin Mckillican jus...@mckill.ca wrote: Nope. For the upgrade the only piece of information MSFT needed was your email if you chose email notification once the upgrade was ready for you. After it's installed it will ask to finish up the install the 'Express' method which enabled a bunch of things like WIFI password sharing to friends and whatever else or if you chose the manual option like I did you can disable everything. It will also inherit your existing user settings, so if your user is a local one instead of a cloud one it will continue to be that way. It does install One Drive but again, if you never configured it or used it then you'll simply see it in your task bar with the welcome or signup screen. -justin On Jul 30, 2015, at 10:19 AM, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote: Since the requirement is that users are upgrading from Win 7, 8, or 8.1 they've already had to create at least a minimal MS ID which means either creating an email account on Outlook.com or providing an existing email address and a password for MS. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Matthew Black matthew.bl...@csulb.edu wrote: Are users required to create any type of Microsoft cloud account (e.g., OneDrive, Office365, et alil) in order to install and use Windows 10? Of Office? Is it possible to simply use Windows 10 without any Microsoft or Google or Yahoo accounts? Is the unique identifier available to advertisers only through IE (or its successor) OR will it also be available through Firefox/Chrome? matthew black california state university, long beach
RE: Windows 10 Release
Are users required to create any type of Microsoft cloud account (e.g., OneDrive, Office365, et alil) in order to install and use Windows 10? Of Office? Is it possible to simply use Windows 10 without any Microsoft or Google or Yahoo accounts? Is the unique identifier available to advertisers only through IE (or its successor) OR will it also be available through Firefox/Chrome? matthew black california state university, long beach
Re: Windows 10 Release
Since the requirement is that users are upgrading from Win 7, 8, or 8.1 they've already had to create at least a minimal MS ID which means either creating an email account on Outlook.com or providing an existing email address and a password for MS. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Matthew Black matthew.bl...@csulb.edu wrote: Are users required to create any type of Microsoft cloud account (e.g., OneDrive, Office365, et alil) in order to install and use Windows 10? Of Office? Is it possible to simply use Windows 10 without any Microsoft or Google or Yahoo accounts? Is the unique identifier available to advertisers only through IE (or its successor) OR will it also be available through Firefox/Chrome? matthew black california state university, long beach
Re: Windows 10 Release
Just as a point of debate, I've been using Windows 7 for quite some time and I do not, nor have I ever, given MS any email information or have I created a Live account. On 7/30/2015 7:19 AM, Scott Helms wrote: Since the requirement is that users are upgrading from Win 7, 8, or 8.1 they've already had to create at least a minimal MS ID which means either creating an email account on Outlook.com or providing an existing email address and a password for MS. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Matthew Black matthew.bl...@csulb.edu wrote: Are users required to create any type of Microsoft cloud account (e.g., OneDrive, Office365, et alil) in order to install and use Windows 10? Of Office? Is it possible to simply use Windows 10 without any Microsoft or Google or Yahoo accounts? Is the unique identifier available to advertisers only through IE (or its successor) OR will it also be available through Firefox/Chrome? matthew black california state university, long beach
RE: Windows 10 Release
You do not have to create or use a Microsoft account to use Windows 10 or any of the apps (other than the MS Store.) You can continue to log in to Windows using a local account. Aaron Childs Associate Director, Infrastructure Services Information Technology Services Wilson Hall - 577 Western Ave. Westfield MA 01086 -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Black Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:16 AM To: North American Network Operators' Group (nanog@nanog.org) nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Windows 10 Release Are users required to create any type of Microsoft cloud account (e.g., OneDrive, Office365, et alil) in order to install and use Windows 10? Of Office? Is it possible to simply use Windows 10 without any Microsoft or Google or Yahoo accounts? Is the unique identifier available to advertisers only through IE (or its successor) OR will it also be available through Firefox/Chrome? matthew black california state university, long beach
Re: Windows 10 Release
I was just thinking about my remaining Win 7 box _after_ I hit send and I
believe you're correct (I have one still to upgrade). Which means users
upgrading from 7 to 10 will need to create an ID, but users of 8 and 8.1
will use the one they already have.
This is incorrect. While the Win 8{,.1} install process makes it
appear as though you need a Microsoft ID, you can actually go into
the create a new Microsoft ID option and there's a way to proceed
without creating a Microsoft ID, which leaves you with all local
accounts.
It does appear to be designed to make you THINK you need a Microsoft
account however.
I have a freshly installed Windows 8.1 box here (no Microsoft ID)
that I then upgraded to Windows 10, and it also does not have any
Microsoft ID attached to it. Activation shows as Windows 10 Home
and Windows is activated. There's a beggy-screen on the user
account page saying something like Windows is better when your
settings and files automatically sync. Switch to a Microsoft Account
now!
So, again, totally optional, but admittedly the path of least
resistance has users creating a Microsoft Account or linking to
their existing one. You have to trawl around a little to get the
better (IMHO) behaviour.
... JG
--
Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net
We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN)
With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.
Re: Windows 10 Release
Justin, That's true, but it takes effort for people to either set up a local account or change to one, and very few consumers will do that or have. Wow, then, problem solved, because it's at least twice as hard to get your Microsoft Account set up, configured, and verified. The sticky point is that very few consumers will KNOW that they can avoid the Microsoft account, and most won't take the time to explore the various options and possibilities. This isn't an effort thing. Setting up a local account is fairly effortless. It's a matter of the option being hidden away, because it is in Microsoft's interest to get everyone using the Windows cloud magic. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.
RE: Windows 10 Release
Some concern expressed here: http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2015/07/windows-10-launch-huge-traffic.html Frank -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:45 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Windows 10 Release Anyone anxious to see what kind of traffic comes from Windows 10 releasing tomorrow? Being a 3-4GB download. Each device is moving more data than any Apple update ever did. Wonder if they'll stage the release as apple appeared to have learned after IOS7 hammered a bunch of networks. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106
RE: Windows 10 Release
'QoS problems are to be expected' . Uh? Don't you put QoS into place just to ensure that the minimum bandwidth you need to ensure critical services (such that your voice traffic is not impeded for example) are NOT affected across your WAN links when there are big globs of data banging around? Surely, If anything, this is the one case and time when the QoS deployment effort can be shown to have value (obviously the policies would already have been validated against saturated links as part of sign off) alan
Re: Windows 10 Release
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 You can download an ISO and burn it to install... Guessing if your upgrading multiple machines, that would be the way to go... - --Tiernan On 29/07/2015 15:13, Alejandro Acosta wrote: El 7/28/2015 a las 4:15 PM, Nick Olsen escribió: Anyone anxious to see what kind of traffic comes from Windows 10 releasing tomorrow? Being a 3-4GB download. Each device is moving more data than any Apple update ever did. Wow, to download 3-4 GB in a developing country (like mine - Venezuela) where there still 512 kbps -2 Mbps links for home users (and some offices too) it will have a significant impact.. I hope they are considering this in somehow. Imagine more than one Microsoft 10 in a home.., it will never end :-) Wonder if they'll stage the release as apple appeared to have learned after IOS7 hammered a bunch of networks. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 Alejandro Acosta, -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJVuOEqAAoJECWDUKjOk5r1fJsP/AjElUH+ODkEGPQqMg2I5bjU t0lcPzhfrVw7cmiEQK9zgN83NxvkW+DKTBFcopoHkTauvCC7B179dxrL6EcNNOqu ajZAzOCvRHBHPCR6k8BxWC1fjKVXntuMf+SUhL0Y/fGdtwaaAT1jOzPx86aZFFDB 3syDwH13v7SzftGDbZ15B4jjmFwSBp/AI5uS+uYE5SUuQXBLLCuOmVORsDX6u9Eq kzPZr4TcmUxS40fPipaQtaGt4/VFukr6BZD9GrOQInioOOIi1sIpqX1vETIpEXRb nP9eTcAvrlpyPFKZ/m+tYMTshE3iCCXTCHDnCXI1/v2FFPZoJREmOHaFe7ouIz7B 6ZfqLGHZ+atxC/mD9LhkYuxN6NaVDtNLWnBHMGke6A1Q37F/snZqksMyUEcUAl+l lvrVepSsfENEkSoX/VuGQ952NqTqECZ8uEfJcrDts9D6tq9K5bbJRhBMGBW4FQhI NVxviK758rquYrwnh6HZp/DFUxBizZcbsJIwJOVa27v3Jm45srlQOwt4f/FB9mPh o1rX87CsE/+685Rn6VDv4rNOeUsEblg8VTNuktzgAf/BCw5nTjAHYVrytVGPtT8c KKTslmV3XLlzWR6jSSOezHpkEfGARfe5FHek7NT2i/TQhSlJhXdmtaPJC5Ar3pkn AojjK+3RyBm76k0bXzg0 =Imhd -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Windows 10 Release
You can download an ISO and burn it to install... Guessing if your upgrading multiple machines, that would be the way to go... You don't even need to burn it to install. Just mount the ISO and run setup.exe ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.
Re: Windows 10 Release
http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2015-July/026136.html Which appears to be about 25% crap, 30% FUD, and the remainder consists of concerns of varying levels of validity. For privacy-minded individuals who are not interested in sharing lots of stuff with Microsoft, there are install-time options to shut most of that off. Don't use Express Settings. Select Customize settings and then turn most of the switches on the next two pages off. The real issue is that lots of people will select the express settings and then might have to do more work to undo the decisions made at this step on their behalf. I do think it is rotten that the defaults for the options are all on. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.
Re: Windows 10 Release
http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2015-July/026136.html
Which appears to be about 25% crap, 30% FUD, and the remainder consists
of concerns of varying levels of validity.
really? read the legal fine print
https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/
Again, a lot of crap and FUD mixed in there. It's legalese designed to
cover their arses, because they default the options to On and assume
most people will take the default. You CAN shut off the sharing. The
legalese doesn't mean that the information is shared despite the fact
that you configured your box not to share it.
The real problem is that so many people have outsourced their problems
to ${THE_CLOUD} that those of us who run our own services are now in
the tiny minority. I'm disappointed (but hardly shocked) to discover
that Microsoft doesn't support arbitratry CalDAV or CardDAV services
with their built-in apps, for example.
I realize I'm probably in another minority here, but as a Windows-hater,
I nevertheless find that there's a bunch of stuff I need to do that only
really works on Windows. What I really want is an up-to-date version
of Windows 98 or maybe XP. I don't need all the Microsoft-added cruft
for other things. I don't use their e-mail, or their calendar, or their
contacts, or their web browser (usually). Or pretty much any Metro app.
I understand why a lot of that crap is there, especially as they now
need to try to make Win10 workable and usable on multiple device types,
so I don't mind that they added it, and I understand that using any of
that crap could mean that ${MICROSOFT_CLOUD} gets involved. Doesn't
mean you have to use it! Windows 10 turns out to be fairly useful once
you take a hatchet to it and bludgeon out all the stuff obviously
intended for the average home user or the average phone user that is
just supposed to magically work.
The legal fine print for most software is atrocious these days. This
isn't shocking, sadly. I can find egregious crap in lots of license
agreements and privacy statements out there.
You don't actually *HAVE* to use a Microsoft Account to sign into
Windows 10. If you DO sign in using a Microsoft Account, you're going
to be hooking your Windows box up to a bunch of cloud services that
you might not want or need. For many people, this may actually be the
right choice, because how else do you sync things between your desktop,
your laptop, your tablet, and your Windows phone? That carries with it
a lot of benefits for the average non-techie user, but is a privacy
issue as well. If you do that and then don't use any of their apps,
because maybe you browse the web with Chrome and you're heavily invested
in Google or Yahoo for mail, contacts, and calendar, you're still not
sharing the data ... with Microsoft. But that data's still out there
in someone's cloud.
I could be very cynical (and yet probably come frighteningly close to
the mark) by noting that Microsoft is following in Google's footsteps
in amassing a wealth of data about users by providing these add-on
cloud services to users, and that the users are slowly becoming the
product instead of being the customer, which makes it even more
attractive to do the sorts of data collection and mining pioneered by
some of those other companies.
Yet none of this commits you. You don't have to share information.
You don't have to use a Microsoft Account. You don't have to use any
of their programs or apps that would share data. Screw them.
So, again, I say, the quoted article contains about 25% crap, 30% FUD,
and the remainder consists of concerns of varying levels of validity.
This isn't the apocalypse. People have willingly been exchanging
their privacy for free services on the Internet for many years. Those
of us who prefer not to rely on those services are also able to navigate
that maze.
... JG
--
Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net
We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN)
With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.
Re: Windows 10 Release
http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2015-July/026136.html
Re: Windows 10 Release
http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2015-July/026136.html Which appears to be about 25% crap, 30% FUD, and the remainder consists of concerns of varying levels of validity. really? read the legal fine print https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/
RE: Windows 10 Release
I see that everyone can download Windows 10 this morning! There goes my bandwidth. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 Curtis -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Justin Mckillican Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:49 PM To: n...@flhsi.com; nanog@nanog.org list Subject: Re: Windows 10 Release For upgraders I believe only 5 million 'Insiders' that tested Windows 10 will get it tomorrow. The rest of the free upgraders (those from Win7 and Win8) will get it over the next two weeks at different times with the priority going to those that 'reserved' it in Windows Update tool. -justin On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:45 PM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Anyone anxious to see what kind of traffic comes from Windows 10 releasing tomorrow? Being a 3-4GB download. Each device is moving more data than any Apple update ever did. Wonder if they'll stage the release as apple appeared to have learned after IOS7 hammered a bunch of networks. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106
Re: Windows 10 Release
On 7/29/2015 06:58, STARNES, CURTIS wrote: I see that everyone can download Windows 10 this morning! There goes my bandwidth. Just checked this PC--apparently I already have it and am good to go. I was expecting an email or something. -- sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Juvenal)
Re: Windows 10 Release
It's downloading for me right now, though I did reserve my slot. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Justin Mckillican jus...@mckill.ca wrote: For upgraders I believe only 5 million 'Insiders' that tested Windows 10 will get it tomorrow. The rest of the free upgraders (those from Win7 and Win8) will get it over the next two weeks at different times with the priority going to those that 'reserved' it in Windows Update tool. -justin On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:45 PM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Anyone anxious to see what kind of traffic comes from Windows 10 releasing tomorrow? Being a 3-4GB download. Each device is moving more data than any Apple update ever did. Wonder if they'll stage the release as apple appeared to have learned after IOS7 hammered a bunch of networks. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106
Re: Windows 10 Release
4.0gb in 10mins using home fttc is not bad :) Colin On 29 Jul 2015, at 13:20, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote: It's downloading for me right now, though I did reserve my slot. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Justin Mckillican jus...@mckill.ca wrote: For upgraders I believe only 5 million 'Insiders' that tested Windows 10 will get it tomorrow. The rest of the free upgraders (those from Win7 and Win8) will get it over the next two weeks at different times with the priority going to those that 'reserved' it in Windows Update tool. -justin On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:45 PM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Anyone anxious to see what kind of traffic comes from Windows 10 releasing tomorrow? Being a 3-4GB download. Each device is moving more data than any Apple update ever did. Wonder if they'll stage the release as apple appeared to have learned after IOS7 hammered a bunch of networks. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106
Re: Windows 10 Release
On 7/29/2015 07:20, Scott Helms wrote: It's downloading for me right now, though I did reserve my slot. When I checked a few minutes ago it said my PC had passed the tests--now it says it is downloading. Speed and responsiveness feels normal. -- sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Juvenal)
Re: Windows 10 Release
On 7/29/2015 07:32, Larry Sheldon wrote: On 7/29/2015 07:20, Scott Helms wrote: It's downloading for me right now, though I did reserve my slot. When I checked a few minutes ago it said my PC had passed the tests--now it says it is downloading. Speed and responsiveness feels normal. Screen popped up just now--said something to effect of Now or later? I said later (haven't been to been in a while, have three other machines to coordinate with). It offered me later today, tomorrow, or the next day! This may hurt after all. -- sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Juvenal)
Re: Windows 10 Release
On 7/29/2015 10:30, frnk...@iname.com wrote: Some concern expressed here: http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2015/07/windows-10-launch-huge-traffic.html I have no status above out-of-work old fart, and it has been a while since I was engaged in anything bigger than my four-PC, three-wiffy, one router network who still does not like Microsoft very much, but it seems clear to me that a lot of Big Disaster Windows 10 Experts have not read anything about what is actually going on. So far, it has not worked here anything like what that article describes. -- sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Juvenal)
Re: Windows 10 Release
El 7/28/2015 a las 4:15 PM, Nick Olsen escribió: Anyone anxious to see what kind of traffic comes from Windows 10 releasing tomorrow? Being a 3-4GB download. Each device is moving more data than any Apple update ever did. Wow, to download 3-4 GB in a developing country (like mine - Venezuela) where there still 512 kbps -2 Mbps links for home users (and some offices too) it will have a significant impact.. I hope they are considering this in somehow. Imagine more than one Microsoft 10 in a home.., it will never end :-) Wonder if they'll stage the release as apple appeared to have learned after IOS7 hammered a bunch of networks. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 Alejandro Acosta,
Re: Windows 10 Release
On 7/29/2015 06:58, STARNES, CURTIS wrote: I see that everyone can download Windows 10 this morning! There goes my bandwidth. One of us does not understand how they said it was going to be done. -- sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Juvenal)
Re: Windows 10 Release
According to the article I read... it's pretty much everywhere. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Erik Sundberg esundb...@nitelusa.com To: Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com, Niels Bakker niels=na...@bakker.net, nanog@nanog.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:09:52 PM Subject: RE: Windows 10 Release Does anyone know if Microsoft will be hosting the downloads from there ASN 8075 or from an CDN Provider like Akamai? -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 6:43 PM To: Niels Bakker niels=na...@bakker.net; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Windows 10 Release Microsoft tells me 3.2 GB for win 10 pro 64 bit. On July 28, 2015 6:04:04 PM EDT, Niels Bakker niels=na...@bakker.net wrote: * n...@flhsi.com (Nick Olsen) [Tue 28 Jul 2015, 22:46 CEST]: Being a 3-4GB download. Each device is moving more data than any Apple update ever did. I'm not so sure of that. The 10.9 install image clocked in at 4.9 GB, and the Mac App Store for 10.10 Yosemite says Size: 5.67 GB; http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/features says 3GB download required in the small print at the bottom. -- Niels. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e-mail messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this transmission is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by replying to this e-mail. You must destroy the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving in any manner. Thank you.
Re: Windows 10 Release
We have heard they will be available via 8075. Jason Bothe, Manager of Networking Rice University o +1 713 348 5500 m +1 713 703 3552 ja...@rice.edu On Jul 28, 2015, at 19:09, Erik Sundberg esundb...@nitelusa.com wrote: Does anyone know if Microsoft will be hosting the downloads from there ASN 8075 or from an CDN Provider like Akamai? -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 6:43 PM To: Niels Bakker niels=na...@bakker.net; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Windows 10 Release Microsoft tells me 3.2 GB for win 10 pro 64 bit. On July 28, 2015 6:04:04 PM EDT, Niels Bakker niels=na...@bakker.net wrote: * n...@flhsi.com (Nick Olsen) [Tue 28 Jul 2015, 22:46 CEST]: Being a 3-4GB download. Each device is moving more data than any Apple update ever did. I'm not so sure of that. The 10.9 install image clocked in at 4.9 GB, and the Mac App Store for 10.10 Yosemite says Size: 5.67 GB; http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/features says 3GB download required in the small print at the bottom. -- Niels. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e-mail messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this transmission is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by replying to this e-mail. You must destroy the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving in any manner. Thank you.
Re: Windows 10 Release
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2943954/microsoft-windows/microsoft-confirms-waves-roll-out-of-windows-10.html On 7/28/15, 1:45 PM, NANOG on behalf of Nick Olsen nanog-boun...@nanog.org on behalf of n...@flhsi.com wrote: Anyone anxious to see what kind of traffic comes from Windows 10 releasing tomorrow? Being a 3-4GB download. Each device is moving more data than any Apple update ever did. Wonder if they'll stage the release as apple appeared to have learned after IOS7 hammered a bunch of networks. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106
Re: Windows 10 Release
On 7/28/2015 16:45, Nick Olsen wrote: Anyone anxious to see what kind of traffic comes from Windows 10 releasing tomorrow? Being a 3-4GB download. Each device is moving more data than any Apple update ever did. Wonder if they'll stage the release as apple appeared to have learned after IOS7 hammered a bunch of networks. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 A friend and I noticed that Microsoft has pre-loaded the upgrade data onto machines that have confirmed/reserved the upgrade *today*. C:\$Windows.~BT is the directory, hidden folder. -- Sadiq Saif (AS393949) https://staticsafe.ca
Re: Windows 10 Release
On 7/28/2015 15:45, Nick Olsen wrote: Wonder if they'll stage the release as apple appeared to have learned after IOS7 hammered a bunch of networks. Everything I have gotten for my personal machines suggests that it may be months before my copies are released. -- sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Juvenal)
Re: Windows 10 Release
For upgraders I believe only 5 million 'Insiders' that tested Windows 10 will get it tomorrow. The rest of the free upgraders (those from Win7 and Win8) will get it over the next two weeks at different times with the priority going to those that 'reserved' it in Windows Update tool. -justin On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:45 PM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Anyone anxious to see what kind of traffic comes from Windows 10 releasing tomorrow? Being a 3-4GB download. Each device is moving more data than any Apple update ever did. Wonder if they'll stage the release as apple appeared to have learned after IOS7 hammered a bunch of networks. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Windows 10 Release
Microsoft tells me 3.2 GB for win 10 pro 64 bit. On July 28, 2015 6:04:04 PM EDT, Niels Bakker niels=na...@bakker.net wrote: * n...@flhsi.com (Nick Olsen) [Tue 28 Jul 2015, 22:46 CEST]: Being a 3-4GB download. Each device is moving more data than any Apple update ever did. I'm not so sure of that. The 10.9 install image clocked in at 4.9 GB, and the Mac App Store for 10.10 Yosemite says Size: 5.67 GB; http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/features says 3GB download required in the small print at the bottom. -- Niels. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
RE: Windows 10 Release
Does anyone know if Microsoft will be hosting the downloads from there ASN 8075 or from an CDN Provider like Akamai? -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 6:43 PM To: Niels Bakker niels=na...@bakker.net; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Windows 10 Release Microsoft tells me 3.2 GB for win 10 pro 64 bit. On July 28, 2015 6:04:04 PM EDT, Niels Bakker niels=na...@bakker.net wrote: * n...@flhsi.com (Nick Olsen) [Tue 28 Jul 2015, 22:46 CEST]: Being a 3-4GB download. Each device is moving more data than any Apple update ever did. I'm not so sure of that. The 10.9 install image clocked in at 4.9 GB, and the Mac App Store for 10.10 Yosemite says Size: 5.67 GB; http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/features says 3GB download required in the small print at the bottom. -- Niels. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e-mail messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this transmission is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by replying to this e-mail. You must destroy the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving in any manner. Thank you.
RE: Windows 10 Release
Good to know. I was one of those insiders, And it's running on my laptop currently. It got the 10240 build a bit ago. Which removed the insider preview water marks, And appears to be the full release version.. So it would appear the insiders already have it. Or the ability to get it. But that of course is for your non-production messing about with nothing serious and don't mind sending all my passwords and data to microsoft and using a completely insecure microsoft account installation. Roll-out to Production will not occur until tomorrow -- July 29th -- whatever microsoft's definition of July 29 happens to be. Depending on your interpretation of on and timezone, release on July 29th can commence during any of the 47.99 hours during which July 29th occurs. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106
Re: Windows 10 Release
Good to know. I was one of those insiders, And it's running on my laptop currently. It got the 10240 build a bit ago. Which removed the insider preview water marks, And appears to be the full release version.. So it would appear the insiders already have it. Or the ability to get it. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: Justin Mckillican jus...@mckill.ca Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 4:49 PM To: n...@flhsi.com, nanog@nanog.org list nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Windows 10 Release For upgraders I believe only 5 million 'Insiders' that tested Windows 10 will get it tomorrow. The rest of the free upgraders (those from Win7 and Win8) will get it over the next two weeks at different times with the priority going to those that 'reserved' it in Windows Update tool. -justin On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:45 PM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Anyone anxious to see what kind of traffic comes from Windows 10 releasing tomorrow? Being a 3-4GB download. Each device is moving more data than any Apple update ever did. Wonder if they'll stage the release as apple appeared to have learned after IOS7 hammered a bunch of networks. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106
Re: Windows 10 Release
* n...@flhsi.com (Nick Olsen) [Tue 28 Jul 2015, 22:46 CEST]: Being a 3-4GB download. Each device is moving more data than any Apple update ever did. I'm not so sure of that. The 10.9 install image clocked in at 4.9 GB, and the Mac App Store for 10.10 Yosemite says Size: 5.67 GB; http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/features says 3GB download required in the small print at the bottom. -- Niels.
Re: Windows 10 Release
Hi, On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Anyone anxious to see what kind of traffic comes from Windows 10 releasing tomorrow? Being a 3-4GB download. Each device is moving more data than any Apple update ever did. Wonder if they'll stage the release as apple appeared to have learned after IOS7 hammered a bunch of networks. I don't have the reference to hand (though I have seen it), but yes. Notifications inviting people to download the upgrade will be rolled out *starting* 29th July to people who have 'reserved' the upgrade - the notification will only appear for everyone over a few days. People who really want to go download the thing manually should be able to from the launch date of course by going to the website. Hopefully this means that the network load should not be too great, as long as they don't 'pick' people to receive the notification by AS number. But, the only way to know for sure is to see what happens tomorrow. Here's hoping it doesn't overload any major links. Alex
