RE: anyone use fbtracert successfully?
smokeping in master slave mode. A bit old school, but maybe still worth a try. https://oss.oetiker.ch/smokeping/doc/smokeping_master_slave.en.html Jean From: NANOG On Behalf Of Adam Thompson Sent: November 25, 2021 1:31 PM To: Hugo Slabbert ; Thomas Scott Cc: nanog Subject: RE: anyone use fbtracert successfully? Thank you!! Some of those tools are proving much more useful for me than fbtracert. (In particular, traceflow has been updated recently enough that it “just works” in common environments that have Python3. And while it may not be perfect, it’s good enough to show what I need.) -Adam (who apparently has lost the skills needed to Google usefully, in his decrepitude) Adam Thompson Consultant, Infrastructure Services 100 - 135 Innovation Drive Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8 (204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only) athomp...@merlin.mb.ca <mailto:athomp...@merlin.mb.ca> www.merlin.mb.ca <http://www.merlin.mb.ca/> From: Hugo Slabbert mailto:h...@slabnet.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2021 10:39 AM To: Thomas Scott mailto:mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com> > Cc: Adam Thompson mailto:athomp...@merlin.mb.ca> >; nanog mailto:nanog@nanog.org> > Subject: Re: anyone use fbtracert successfully? What about some other options? https://paris-traceroute.net/ https://dublin-traceroute.net/ https://github.com/rucarrol/traceflow -- Hugo Slabbert On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 9:54 AM Thomas Scott mailto:mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com> > wrote: Ha, my apologies, I thought I was writing this for a Linux User Group, not a NOG. Ignore my simplistic explanations. - Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com <mailto:mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com> On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 12:47 PM Thomas Scott mailto:mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com> > wrote: I have used it successfully in a test environment that I was using ECMP in. Most of the public networks that I've worked with don't use ECMP as often as other methods for steering traffic (LAGs, BGP MEDs, etc). What I have seen it fantastically useful for was troubleshooting a transit provider, or for when they were congested or had a flapping core link. Granted I think it's still subject to ICMP deprioritization (most SP's use it prodigiously), and most MPLS cores don't decrement TTL, but it was still useful to be able to show them "no, at this IP, I always drop traffic, when..." - Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com <mailto:mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com> On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 12:23 PM Adam Thompson mailto:athomp...@merlin.mb.ca> > wrote: The tool fbtracert (http://github.com/facebookarchive/fbtracert) was mentioned here recently as a way to get visibility into multi-pathing. Has anyone here ever used this tool successfully? Supposedly Facebook uses this tool internally, but… that doesn’t help much. I’ve tried it on 4 different platforms/OSes (WSL Ubuntu; RedHat; Debian; OpenBSD), and versions of Go (v1.10 through v1.16), in three very different environments (on-prem public IP; on-prem NAT’d; cloud public IP), and I’ve yet to see it produce any meaningful output – each run/iteration/thread only detects one, single, hop out of the entire chain of routers, making it less than useful. Granted, that’s not a full regression test by any means, but if anyone here has ever used it successfully, could you please let me know what sort of environment you ran it in/on? Thanks, -Adam Adam Thompson Consultant, Infrastructure Services 100 - 135 Innovation Drive Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8 (204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only) athomp...@merlin.mb.ca <mailto:athomp...@merlin.mb.ca> www.merlin.mb.ca <http://www.merlin.mb.ca/>
RE: anyone use fbtracert successfully?
Thank you!! Some of those tools are proving much more useful for me than fbtracert. (In particular, traceflow has been updated recently enough that it “just works” in common environments that have Python3. And while it may not be perfect, it’s good enough to show what I need.) -Adam (who apparently has lost the skills needed to Google usefully, in his decrepitude) Adam Thompson Consultant, Infrastructure Services [1593169877849] 100 - 135 Innovation Drive Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8 (204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only) athomp...@merlin.mb.ca<mailto:athomp...@merlin.mb.ca> www.merlin.mb.ca<http://www.merlin.mb.ca/> From: Hugo Slabbert Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2021 10:39 AM To: Thomas Scott Cc: Adam Thompson ; nanog Subject: Re: anyone use fbtracert successfully? What about some other options? https://paris-traceroute.net/ https://dublin-traceroute.net/ https://github.com/rucarrol/traceflow -- Hugo Slabbert On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 9:54 AM Thomas Scott mailto:mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com>> wrote: Ha, my apologies, I thought I was writing this for a Linux User Group, not a NOG. Ignore my simplistic explanations. - Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com<mailto:mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com> On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 12:47 PM Thomas Scott mailto:mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com>> wrote: I have used it successfully in a test environment that I was using ECMP in. Most of the public networks that I've worked with don't use ECMP as often as other methods for steering traffic (LAGs, BGP MEDs, etc). What I have seen it fantastically useful for was troubleshooting a transit provider, or for when they were congested or had a flapping core link. Granted I think it's still subject to ICMP deprioritization (most SP's use it prodigiously), and most MPLS cores don't decrement TTL, but it was still useful to be able to show them "no, at this IP, I always drop traffic, when..." - Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com<mailto:mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com> On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 12:23 PM Adam Thompson mailto:athomp...@merlin.mb.ca>> wrote: The tool fbtracert (http://github.com/facebookarchive/fbtracert) was mentioned here recently as a way to get visibility into multi-pathing. Has anyone here ever used this tool successfully? Supposedly Facebook uses this tool internally, but… that doesn’t help much. I’ve tried it on 4 different platforms/OSes (WSL Ubuntu; RedHat; Debian; OpenBSD), and versions of Go (v1.10 through v1.16), in three very different environments (on-prem public IP; on-prem NAT’d; cloud public IP), and I’ve yet to see it produce any meaningful output – each run/iteration/thread only detects one, single, hop out of the entire chain of routers, making it less than useful. Granted, that’s not a full regression test by any means, but if anyone here has ever used it successfully, could you please let me know what sort of environment you ran it in/on? Thanks, -Adam Adam Thompson Consultant, Infrastructure Services 100 - 135 Innovation Drive Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8 (204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only) athomp...@merlin.mb.ca<mailto:athomp...@merlin.mb.ca> www.merlin.mb.ca<http://www.merlin.mb.ca/>
Re: anyone use fbtracert successfully?
What about some other options? https://paris-traceroute.net/ https://dublin-traceroute.net/ https://github.com/rucarrol/traceflow -- Hugo Slabbert On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 9:54 AM Thomas Scott wrote: > Ha, my apologies, I thought I was writing this for a Linux User Group, not > a NOG. Ignore my simplistic explanations. > - Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com > > > On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 12:47 PM Thomas Scott > wrote: > >> I have used it successfully in a test environment that I was using ECMP >> in. Most of the public networks that I've worked with don't use ECMP as >> often as other methods for steering traffic (LAGs, BGP MEDs, etc). >> >> What I have seen it fantastically useful for was troubleshooting a >> transit provider, or for when they were congested or had a flapping core >> link. Granted I *think *it's still subject to ICMP deprioritization >> (most SP's use it prodigiously), and most MPLS cores don't decrement TTL, >> but it was still useful to be able to show them "no, at this IP, I >> *always* drop traffic, when..." >> >> - Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 12:23 PM Adam Thompson >> wrote: >> >>> The tool fbtracert (http://github.com/facebookarchive/fbtracert) was >>> mentioned here recently as a way to get visibility into multi-pathing. >>> >>> Has anyone here ever used this tool successfully? >>> >>> >>> >>> Supposedly Facebook uses this tool internally, but… that doesn’t help >>> much. >>> >>> >>> >>> I’ve tried it on 4 different platforms/OSes (WSL Ubuntu; RedHat; Debian; >>> OpenBSD), and versions of Go (v1.10 through v1.16), in three very different >>> environments (on-prem public IP; on-prem NAT’d; cloud public IP), and I’ve >>> yet to see it produce any meaningful output – each run/iteration/thread >>> only detects one, single, hop out of the entire chain of routers, making it >>> less than useful. Granted, that’s not a full regression test by any means, >>> but if anyone here has ever used it successfully, could you please let me >>> know what sort of environment you ran it in/on? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> -Adam >>> >>> >>> >>> *Adam Thompson* >>> Consultant, Infrastructure Services >>> [image: 1593169877849] >>> 100 - 135 Innovation Drive >>> Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8 >>> (204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only) >>> athomp...@merlin.mb.ca >>> www.merlin.mb.ca >>> >>> >>> >>
Re: anyone use fbtracert successfully?
Ha, my apologies, I thought I was writing this for a Linux User Group, not a NOG. Ignore my simplistic explanations. - Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 12:47 PM Thomas Scott wrote: > I have used it successfully in a test environment that I was using ECMP > in. Most of the public networks that I've worked with don't use ECMP as > often as other methods for steering traffic (LAGs, BGP MEDs, etc). > > What I have seen it fantastically useful for was troubleshooting a transit > provider, or for when they were congested or had a flapping core link. > Granted I *think *it's still subject to ICMP deprioritization (most SP's > use it prodigiously), and most MPLS cores don't decrement TTL, but it was > still useful to be able to show them "no, at this IP, I *always* drop > traffic, when..." > > - Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com > > > On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 12:23 PM Adam Thompson > wrote: > >> The tool fbtracert (http://github.com/facebookarchive/fbtracert) was >> mentioned here recently as a way to get visibility into multi-pathing. >> >> Has anyone here ever used this tool successfully? >> >> >> >> Supposedly Facebook uses this tool internally, but… that doesn’t help >> much. >> >> >> >> I’ve tried it on 4 different platforms/OSes (WSL Ubuntu; RedHat; Debian; >> OpenBSD), and versions of Go (v1.10 through v1.16), in three very different >> environments (on-prem public IP; on-prem NAT’d; cloud public IP), and I’ve >> yet to see it produce any meaningful output – each run/iteration/thread >> only detects one, single, hop out of the entire chain of routers, making it >> less than useful. Granted, that’s not a full regression test by any means, >> but if anyone here has ever used it successfully, could you please let me >> know what sort of environment you ran it in/on? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> -Adam >> >> >> >> *Adam Thompson* >> Consultant, Infrastructure Services >> [image: 1593169877849] >> 100 - 135 Innovation Drive >> Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8 >> (204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only) >> athomp...@merlin.mb.ca >> www.merlin.mb.ca >> >> >> >
Re: anyone use fbtracert successfully?
I have used it successfully in a test environment that I was using ECMP in. Most of the public networks that I've worked with don't use ECMP as often as other methods for steering traffic (LAGs, BGP MEDs, etc). What I have seen it fantastically useful for was troubleshooting a transit provider, or for when they were congested or had a flapping core link. Granted I *think *it's still subject to ICMP deprioritization (most SP's use it prodigiously), and most MPLS cores don't decrement TTL, but it was still useful to be able to show them "no, at this IP, I *always* drop traffic, when..." - Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 12:23 PM Adam Thompson wrote: > The tool fbtracert (http://github.com/facebookarchive/fbtracert) was > mentioned here recently as a way to get visibility into multi-pathing. > > Has anyone here ever used this tool successfully? > > > > Supposedly Facebook uses this tool internally, but… that doesn’t help much. > > > > I’ve tried it on 4 different platforms/OSes (WSL Ubuntu; RedHat; Debian; > OpenBSD), and versions of Go (v1.10 through v1.16), in three very different > environments (on-prem public IP; on-prem NAT’d; cloud public IP), and I’ve > yet to see it produce any meaningful output – each run/iteration/thread > only detects one, single, hop out of the entire chain of routers, making it > less than useful. Granted, that’s not a full regression test by any means, > but if anyone here has ever used it successfully, could you please let me > know what sort of environment you ran it in/on? > > > > Thanks, > > -Adam > > > > *Adam Thompson* > Consultant, Infrastructure Services > [image: 1593169877849] > 100 - 135 Innovation Drive > Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8 > (204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only) > athomp...@merlin.mb.ca > www.merlin.mb.ca > > >
