Re: Alerting systems, Logicmonitor and/or alternatives

[Rich Kulawiec]

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:06:26AM -0800, Jay Hennigan wrote:
> What I don't like is that they only offer it as a cloud-based service.

One of the downsides of all such services is that the more successful
they are, the bigger a target they are.  And they're a tempting target,
since successful penetration would yield a wealth of data about every
client they have (if that penetration was limited to read-only access)
and possibly more, e.g., silencing alarms that would otherwise be
triggered (if that penetration allowed write access).

---rsk

RE: Alerting systems, Logicmonitor and/or alternatives

[Raymond Burkholder]

> What's the collective opinion here? Is anyone using them or a similar service?
> Are there non-cloud-based alternatives that are relatively easy to set up and
> manage? We've explored Zabbix, Nagios, MRTG and its various wrappers,
> and Intermapper. Anything else new on the horizon that has a GUI front-end
> that is configurable without a lot of scripting experience, etc.?

Try OMD.  It packages a python wrapper called check_mk around Nagios and adds 
on charts via an already integrated pnp4nagios.  

The guys doing check_mk have done an amazing job of harnessing the power of 
Nagios through the use of configuration files which nicely minimizes the amount 
of work necessary for getting things monitored, while maximizing how things are 
grouped and structured.

Since I like it so much, I'm in the process of migrating our monitoring from a 
combination of NagiosXI, Observium, and Cacti over to the OMD package. 

It has fast agents for monitoring vsphere.  Has native agents for Linux and 
Windows.  And can do SNMP.  And has good customization for those who want more 
done that what is supplied out of the box.

> 
> We would love to buy something that works for us and pay a reasonable
> price for it, but I'm not particularly interested in the equivalent of 
> renting a
> time-share in order to monitor our networks.

Check_mk has support and professional services available.  It is open source 
for those who wish to go the DIY route.

Raymond

blog.raymond.burkholder.net


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Re: Alerting systems, Logicmonitor and/or alternatives

[Dorance Martinez Cortes]

Hi Jay,

I have experience with nagios and cacti, now I'm experimenting with logic
monitor and observium. The observium is a great tool to discover your
network devices but don't have great graphics and don't have any alarm
system, but you can get a lot of information about your network devices,
connections, ip address, protocols and configurations. Logic Monitor is a
new tool for me, but without comparison with nagios, they have well
support, but some times you need time to create personal data-points
because they don't have recognising for all devices.

Nagios could require time for implementation and experience with command
line and snmp. not is a expensive tool only if you don't want pay for it.
But the nagios XI is a great tool with lot of functions, automatización
process,  graphics, and capacity planning. You can try with nagios xi with
network analyzer.

If you don't have budget maybe nagios core and observium can offer a great
solution.

For comercial solution, I recommend you nagios xi and nagios network
analyzer.

2015-01-28 13:06 GMT-05:00 Jay Hennigan :

> I know that this topic has been kicking around for at least a decade,
> but wanted to get current opinions of other network operators. Most of
> us have explored Nagios, MRTG, and several front-ends for MRTG.
>
> We are looking into a new player in the space called Logicmonitor. They
> have a very functional and easy to navigate front end and configuration
> tool, and I very much like the look-and-feel of their product.
>
> What I don't like is that they only offer it as a cloud-based service.
> Internal probes tie in to a "collector" which we maintain. The collector
> then phones home over the Internet to their hosted service periodically
> and they remotely analyze the data and generate alerts, plot graphs, etc.
>
> From a technical standpoint this adds more points of failure in series,
> will cause missed alerts if their cloud-based service goes down (who is
> guarding the guards?) will cause false alarms if their service is still
> up but can't reach the collector, and doesn't give us a full view under
> the hood.
>
> Of course their sales guys are giving us "Our time and energy is
> dedicated to reliability" and "professionally managed multi-carrier
> highly secure data centers" language to encourage the warm fuzzies.
>
> From a scalability standpoint we incur ever-increasing recurring costs
> as we grow and add monitored devices and services.
>
> What's the collective opinion here? Is anyone using them or a similar
> service? Are there non-cloud-based alternatives that are relatively easy
> to set up and manage? We've explored Zabbix, Nagios, MRTG and its
> various wrappers, and Intermapper. Anything else new on the horizon that
> has a GUI front-end that is configurable without a lot of scripting
> experience, etc.?
>
> We would love to buy something that works for us and pay a reasonable
> price for it, but I'm not particularly interested in the equivalent of
> renting a time-share in order to monitor our networks.
>
>
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> Impulse Internet Service  -  http://www.impulse.net/
> Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV
>



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Re: Alerting systems, Logicmonitor and/or alternatives

[charles]

What's the collective opinion here? Is anyone using them or a similar
service? Are there non-cloud-based alternatives that are relatively 
easy

to set up and manage? We've explored Zabbix, Nagios, MRTG and its
various wrappers, and Intermapper. Anything else new on the horizon 
that

has a GUI front-end that is configurable without a lot of scripting
experience, etc.?


Zenoss. I have it monitoring about 4k end points. The documentation is 
phenomnal. I've not had to touch the command line at all for any 
operations. I have two cron jobs on the server (one to do a weekly 
backup to a tar file that gets grabbed by my backup systems, one to run 
zendisc on only subnets I care about (and not everything in zenoss which 
is the default). The learning curve was pretty much non existent (you 
install it (which is apt-get or yum or scripted [i think appliances 
exist, i dunno]) , connect with default creds, change your creds, scan 
your network, classify devices, setup alerting rules and contacts). This 
all presumes you have SNMP already setup of course (which is trivial to 
do on just about everything). (Oh I did use the CLI to load in mibs, but 
that's a one time operation (unless you are constantly adding new 
vendors to your network i guess).




We would love to buy something that works for us and pay a reasonable
price for it, but I'm not particularly interested in the equivalent of
renting a time-share in order to monitor our networks.


Indeed. You should be able to find plenty of Linux engineers that could 
easily set this up. I would probably charge about $250.00 to $500.00 
flat rate for a zenoss deployment, and could deliver it in 8 to 30 hours 
fully ready to go (range depends on size of deployment, HA, multi site 
etc). I expect most other engineers could do about the same (or maybe a 
bit longer if they've never worked with Zenoss before).


(I'm that weird Linux/Windows/VM/storage/security/app admin type who is 
now getting his CCIE cause networking looks fun).





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Re: Alerting systems, Logicmonitor and/or alternatives

[Mel Beckman]

The value proposition of all cloud services is that you get instant technical 
capability without building your own infrastructure. I see cloud NMS services 
like LogicMonitor and Spiceworks as a good deal for small organizations without 
their own IT people. But for all the reasons you give, the model doesn't scale 
very well.

For network professionals, the value of self-managed internal monitoring 
infrastructure far outweighs the temporary ease and low cost of cloud 
monitoring. In particular, commercial monitoring offerings, such as 
Intermapper, PRTG, and SolarWinds, are extremely cost effective for business 
network operations. Their cost is easily justifiable, especially if you have a 
busy staff. Yes, you can get many of the commercial tool capabilities in open 
source projects such as OpenNMS and Cacti. But as you note, they can be a pain 
to configure, and if your labor is worth anything, the commercial options are 
usually a better deal.

One exception I've found recently is Mikrotik's The Dude, which is free, but 
not FOSS. It's fully graphical, is straightforward to install and configure. It 
has a client/server architecture like Intermapper, but doesn't run natively on 
as many platforms (Windows only; other OSes must use emulation). Although it 
works with any SNMP device, it has special support for Mikrotik, since Mikrotik 
devised it.

To recap, I think cloud monitoring is pointless for managing inside networks 
for any organization having a reasonably capable IT staff. 


On Jan 28, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Jay Hennigan 
 wrote:

> I know that this topic has been kicking around for at least a decade,
> but wanted to get current opinions of other network operators. Most of
> us have explored Nagios, MRTG, and several front-ends for MRTG.
> 
> We are looking into a new player in the space called Logicmonitor. They
> have a very functional and easy to navigate front end and configuration
> tool, and I very much like the look-and-feel of their product.
> 
> What I don't like is that they only offer it as a cloud-based service.
> Internal probes tie in to a "collector" which we maintain. The collector
> then phones home over the Internet to their hosted service periodically
> and they remotely analyze the data and generate alerts, plot graphs, etc.
> 
> From a technical standpoint this adds more points of failure in series,
> will cause missed alerts if their cloud-based service goes down (who is
> guarding the guards?) will cause false alarms if their service is still
> up but can't reach the collector, and doesn't give us a full view under
> the hood.
> 
> Of course their sales guys are giving us "Our time and energy is
> dedicated to reliability" and "professionally managed multi-carrier
> highly secure data centers" language to encourage the warm fuzzies.
> 
> From a scalability standpoint we incur ever-increasing recurring costs
> as we grow and add monitored devices and services.
> 
> What's the collective opinion here? Is anyone using them or a similar
> service? Are there non-cloud-based alternatives that are relatively easy
> to set up and manage? We've explored Zabbix, Nagios, MRTG and its
> various wrappers, and Intermapper. Anything else new on the horizon that
> has a GUI front-end that is configurable without a lot of scripting
> experience, etc.?
> 
> We would love to buy something that works for us and pay a reasonable
> price for it, but I'm not particularly interested in the equivalent of
> renting a time-share in order to monitor our networks.
> 
> 
> --
> Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - j...@impulse.net
> Impulse Internet Service  -  http://www.impulse.net/
> Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV

Re: Alerting systems, Logicmonitor and/or alternatives

[Jeff Cornejo]

We have used LogicMonitor for a few years to monitor hundreds of network 
devices with no reliability issues, at all. The agents have proven to be 
lightweight and rather unobtrusive. I can’t recall a time where we have ever 
had to intervene during regular operations or one of their upgrades.

We do not use the alerting service at this time so no history to report there.

We have only a few dislikes. One of them is the new skin and use the prior one 
still available to us so its a relatively minor issue. The pricing is something 
I’m also not crazy about though they have been willing to work with us on some 
pricing tiers.

Jeff

jeff cornejo
blue ridge internetworks

321 east main st • suite 200
charlottesville va  22902
434.817.0707 x 2001
www.briworks.com 

Central Virginia’s technology authority since 2000.

> On Jan 28, 2015, at 1:06 PM, Jay Hennigan  wrote:
> 
> I know that this topic has been kicking around for at least a decade,
> but wanted to get current opinions of other network operators. Most of
> us have explored Nagios, MRTG, and several front-ends for MRTG.
> 
> We are looking into a new player in the space called Logicmonitor. They
> have a very functional and easy to navigate front end and configuration
> tool, and I very much like the look-and-feel of their product.
> 
> What I don't like is that they only offer it as a cloud-based service.
> Internal probes tie in to a "collector" which we maintain. The collector
> then phones home over the Internet to their hosted service periodically
> and they remotely analyze the data and generate alerts, plot graphs, etc.
> 
> From a technical standpoint this adds more points of failure in series,
> will cause missed alerts if their cloud-based service goes down (who is
> guarding the guards?) will cause false alarms if their service is still
> up but can't reach the collector, and doesn't give us a full view under
> the hood.
> 
> Of course their sales guys are giving us "Our time and energy is
> dedicated to reliability" and "professionally managed multi-carrier
> highly secure data centers" language to encourage the warm fuzzies.
> 
> From a scalability standpoint we incur ever-increasing recurring costs
> as we grow and add monitored devices and services.
> 
> What's the collective opinion here? Is anyone using them or a similar
> service? Are there non-cloud-based alternatives that are relatively easy
> to set up and manage? We've explored Zabbix, Nagios, MRTG and its
> various wrappers, and Intermapper. Anything else new on the horizon that
> has a GUI front-end that is configurable without a lot of scripting
> experience, etc.?
> 
> We would love to buy something that works for us and pay a reasonable
> price for it, but I'm not particularly interested in the equivalent of
> renting a time-share in order to monitor our networks.
> 
> 
> --
> Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - j...@impulse.net
> Impulse Internet Service  -  http://www.impulse.net/
> Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV



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