Re: Ethernet Service at 150 S. Market Street, SJ
GSM modem? Then you aren't depending on the fiber coming into the building... -Mike On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Christopher Nielsen cniel...@pobox.comwrote: Hello, We're in need of low-bandwidth ethernet service in our cage at Datapipe at 150 S. Market Street for OOB. Any recommendations? TIA -- Christopher Nielsen They who can give up essential liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. --Benjamin Franklin The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots tyrants. --Thomas Jefferson -- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.l...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon
Re: Ethernet Service at 150 S. Market Street, SJ
Satellite! ;) From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network. Original message From: Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com Date: 01/29/2013 12:17 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Christopher Nielsen cniel...@pobox.com Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Ethernet Service at 150 S. Market Street, SJ GSM modem? Then you aren't depending on the fiber coming into the building... -Mike On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Christopher Nielsen cniel...@pobox.comwrote: Hello, We're in need of low-bandwidth ethernet service in our cage at Datapipe at 150 S. Market Street for OOB. Any recommendations? TIA -- Christopher Nielsen They who can give up essential liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. --Benjamin Franklin The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots tyrants. --Thomas Jefferson -- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.l...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon
Re: Ethernet Service at 150 S. Market Street, SJ
Last I heard, roof rights are pricey down there :) On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote: Satellite! ;) From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network. Original message From: Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com Date: 01/29/2013 12:17 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Christopher Nielsen cniel...@pobox.com Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Ethernet Service at 150 S. Market Street, SJ GSM modem? Then you aren't depending on the fiber coming into the building... -Mike On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Christopher Nielsen cniel...@pobox.com wrote: Hello, We're in need of low-bandwidth ethernet service in our cage at Datapipe at 150 S. Market Street for OOB. Any recommendations? TIA -- Christopher Nielsen They who can give up essential liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. --Benjamin Franklin The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots tyrants. --Thomas Jefferson -- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.l...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon -- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.l...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon
Re: Ethernet Service at 150 S. Market Street, SJ
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: Last I heard, roof rights are pricey down there :) On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote: Satellite! ;) ...And somewhat silly, given that it's *that* facility. But the roof is mostly clear, if anyone needs to put up a dish. There are a couple of metro wireless providers that can touch that location as well, in case your definition of OOB is pretty robustly out-of-band... But the likely solution is a network provider already there or nearby. -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com
Re: Ethernet Service at 150 S. Market Street, SJ
I would be more than happy to put an antenna on a data center roof. Depending on throughput requirements, it would probably end up being cheaper to use satellite. Satellite is excellent for actual OOB and obviously much more reliable in a DR scenario. From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network. Original message From: George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com Date: 01/29/2013 12:33 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com Cc: Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com,nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Ethernet Service at 150 S. Market Street, SJ On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: Last I heard, roof rights are pricey down there :) On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote: Satellite! ;) ...And somewhat silly, given that it's *that* facility. But the roof is mostly clear, if anyone needs to put up a dish. There are a couple of metro wireless providers that can touch that location as well, in case your definition of OOB is pretty robustly out-of-band... But the likely solution is a network provider already there or nearby. -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com
Re: Ethernet Service at 150 S. Market Street, SJ
For typical console access/OOB use cases only or a lot more data? If the former, I can't see any reason to mess with anything more than a telemetry-rate plan SIM card in a 3g/4g console server. Chances are, if you can get cell phone coverage to your cage, it will work fine. They're also very cheap, lower latency, and nothing more than velcro is needed to install them. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote: I would be more than happy to put an antenna on a data center roof. Depending on throughput requirements, it would probably end up being cheaper to use satellite. Satellite is excellent for actual OOB and obviously much more reliable in a DR scenario. From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network. Original message From: George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com Date: 01/29/2013 12:33 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com Cc: Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com,nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Ethernet Service at 150 S. Market Street, SJ On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: Last I heard, roof rights are pricey down there :) On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote: Satellite! ;) ...And somewhat silly, given that it's *that* facility. But the roof is mostly clear, if anyone needs to put up a dish. There are a couple of metro wireless providers that can touch that location as well, in case your definition of OOB is pretty robustly out-of-band... But the likely solution is a network provider already there or nearby. -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com
Re: Ethernet Service at 150 S. Market Street, SJ
Both. If you're looking for some kind of actual out of band (for disaster recovery scenarios), Satellite is an excellent option. If you just need 100-200kbps for basic console access, you could absolutely accomplish this with satellite. The only real difference between Satellite and Cellular is, if there is any real power at the facility Satellite will be online — I don't think we can say the same for cellular BTS's. Every Cellular installation I have done (over 300) has had a single feed to primary power. Power goes out across several blocks and suddenly the BTS's that are outside of that area are saturated with additional handset registrations. If it were me, I would not rely on 3G/4G for anything that had actual ramifications behind it. If you've got a killer SLA with your customers, the funds to deploy a VSAT solution are minimal at best. 1mbps/1mbps with no SLA across satellite is in the hundreds of dollars per month, and you get a VLAN piped straight back into your gear at your offices. From: PC paul4...@gmail.commailto:paul4...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 13:58:12 -0700 To: User wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.commailto:wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com Cc: George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.commailto:george.herb...@gmail.com, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.commailto:mike.l...@gmail.com, nanog@nanog.orgmailto:nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.orgmailto:nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Ethernet Service at 150 S. Market Street, SJ For typical console access/OOB use cases only or a lot more data? If the former, I can't see any reason to mess with anything more than a telemetry-rate plan SIM card in a 3g/4g console server. Chances are, if you can get cell phone coverage to your cage, it will work fine. They're also very cheap, lower latency, and nothing more than velcro is needed to install them. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.commailto:wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote: I would be more than happy to put an antenna on a data center roof. Depending on throughput requirements, it would probably end up being cheaper to use satellite. Satellite is excellent for actual OOB and obviously much more reliable in a DR scenario. From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network. Original message From: George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.commailto:george.herb...@gmail.com Date: 01/29/2013 12:33 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.commailto:mike.l...@gmail.com Cc: Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.commailto:wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com,nanog@nanog.orgmailto:nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Ethernet Service at 150 S. Market Street, SJ On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.commailto:mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: Last I heard, roof rights are pricey down there :) On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.commailto:wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote: Satellite! ;) ...And somewhat silly, given that it's *that* facility. But the roof is mostly clear, if anyone needs to put up a dish. There are a couple of metro wireless providers that can touch that location as well, in case your definition of OOB is pretty robustly out-of-band... But the likely solution is a network provider already there or nearby. -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.commailto:george.herb...@gmail.com
