Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On 16/09/2014 16:26, Jay Ashworth wrote: What kind of timeframe would a new ccTLD for a major country roll out on? The main issue wouldn't be the timeframe for a rollout of a Scottish ccTLD but rather the disengagement from the .UK ccTLD. The legislative part will take time and there might also be an issue about the contract to operate the registry being put out to tender. It might definitely be a question of months and these things can drag on. In the event of a Yes vote in the independence referendum, most of Scotland's domain name footprint will still be .UK orientated. That would be very slow to change and the new ccTLD would begin to operate in parallel with that. That .SCOT gTLD could end up being very lucky as it might just fill a niche in a market where there is no serious competition from a local official ccTLD. Regards...jmcc -- ** John McCormac * e-mail: j...@hosterstats.com MC2* web: http://www.hosterstats.com/ 22 Viewmount * Domain Registrations Statistics Waterford * And Historical DNS Database. Ireland* Over 396 Million Domains Tracked. IE * web: http://newgtldnews.com **
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#Decoding_table VR, GO, ON, NY, ...these seems to be free :D Clearly New York must declare independence. -- -- ℱin del ℳensaje.
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 09:26:24AM -0700, David Conrad wrote: SU is the Soviet Union, now classified as ?exceptionally reserved? which IANA treats as available for assignment (other exceptionally reserved codes are EU, UK, and AC)... Do you not mean *un*available for assignment? They're not going to go assigning .eu or .uk to anyone because they're already assigned and in use. .ac is too, although it's rather less important. -- David Cantrell | top google result for topless karaoke murders You can't spell AWESOME without ME!
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
Owen DeLong o...@delong.com writes: On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Majdi S. Abbas m...@latt.net wrote: su is not available. I think it is now, since the break up of the Soviet Union. A friend told me that .su domains are quite common in windows environments after the admins discovered that .local is not a good choice. ;-) Jens -- | Foelderichstr. 40 | 13595 Berlin, Germany | +49-151-18721264 | | http://blog.quux.de | jabber: jensl...@jabber.quux.de | --- |
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
Hi, On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:18 AM, David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 09:26:24AM -0700, David Conrad wrote: SU is the Soviet Union, now classified as ?exceptionally reserved? which IANA treats as available for assignment (other exceptionally reserved codes are EU, UK, and AC)... Do you not mean *un*available for assignment? Apologies for the ambiguity. IANA treats the “exceptionally reserved” category as available for assignment as a CCTLD and a number of exceptionally reserved ISO-3166-2 codes have been assigned (including SU, AC, EU, etc). They're not going to go assigning .eu or .uk to anyone because they're already assigned and in use. .ac is too, although it's rather less important. Right. Similarly, .SU has been assigned. SU is a bit odd in the sense that it was moved to “transitionally reserved” when the Soviet Union broke up and a batch of new country codes were created (e.g., RU, UA, etc.) and then, in 2007 (or so) it was moved from “transitionally reserved” (which the ISO 3166 Maintenance Agency says “stop use ASAP”) to “exceptionally reserved”. The .SU ccTLD is also a bit odd in that it is the only code that does not (officially) have a nation-state (and hence a legal framework) behind it. In practice, I believe it falls under the Russian legal framework. Regards, -drc signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On Sep 17, 2014, at 7:17 AM, Jens Link li...@quux.de wrote: Owen DeLong o...@delong.com writes: On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Majdi S. Abbas m...@latt.net wrote: su is not available. I think it is now, since the break up of the Soviet Union. No it is not. A friend told me that .su domains are quite common in windows environments after the admins discovered that .local is not a good choice. ;-) That would be an *exceptionally* bad idea. If queries to those domains leaked out of the local environment (which, of course, _never_ happens), they could be resolved simply by purchasing the .SU domain and then setting up name servers with a wildcard to return an address for a honeypot. The bad guys could then just sit and wait (and then profit). This is a form of ‘name collision’ which is all the rage these days (see https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/name-collision-2013-12-06-en). Regards, -drc signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
David Conrad d...@virtualized.org writes: A friend told me that .su domains are quite common in windows environments after the admins discovered that .local is not a good choice. ;-) That would be an *exceptionally* bad idea. I agree. On the other hand: People pay me to fix network problems, including DNS. Jens -- | Foelderichstr. 40 | 13595 Berlin, Germany | +49-151-18721264 | | http://blog.quux.de | jabber: jensl...@jabber.quux.de | --- |
Re: Scotland ccTLD? - armchair quarterbacking
Perhaps a dose of factual information may temper this thread. If we are talking about ISO-3166-2 - the basis for the CCTLD delegations, then: 1_ Scotland has no say in the country code selected. 2_ ICANN has no say in the country code selected. 3_ The choice is up to an ISO committee. See: http://www.iso.org/iso/country_codes.htm /bill PO Box 12317 Marina del Rey, CA 90295 310.322.8102 On 16September2014Tuesday, at 18:15, Larry Sheldon larryshel...@cox.net wrote: On 9/16/2014 18:57, Masataka Ohta wrote: What will happen to .uk if England is left alone? Masataka Ohta There are still at least 3 countries left in the UK if Scotland splits. The name change is that in that event, Great Britain (.gb country-code Reserved Domain - IANA) will refer only to the land mass (which it should any way, but if often used to refer to the three kingdoms on it. -- The unique Characteristics of System Administrators: The fact that they are infallible; and, The fact that they learn from their mistakes.
Re: Scotland ccTLD? - armchair quarterbacking
well, apropos to point #2, the iso3166/ma includes representatives from ten agencies, of which a certain 501(c)(3) originally in marina del rey, now in los angeles, is included. however, i can't imagine staff offering an opinion of record on the subject. ay for aye would work for me. -e On 9/17/14 8:03 AM, manning bill wrote: Perhaps a dose of factual information may temper this thread. If we are talking about ISO-3166-2 - the basis for the CCTLD delegations, then: 1_ Scotland has no say in the country code selected. 2_ ICANN has no say in the country code selected. 3_ The choice is up to an ISO committee. See: http://www.iso.org/iso/country_codes.htm /bill PO Box 12317 Marina del Rey, CA 90295 310.322.8102 On 16September2014Tuesday, at 18:15, Larry Sheldon larryshel...@cox.net wrote: On 9/16/2014 18:57, Masataka Ohta wrote: What will happen to .uk if England is left alone? Masataka Ohta There are still at least 3 countries left in the UK if Scotland splits. The name change is that in that event, Great Britain (.gb country-code Reserved Domain - IANA) will refer only to the land mass (which it should any way, but if often used to refer to the three kingdoms on it. -- The unique Characteristics of System Administrators: The fact that they are infallible; and, The fact that they learn from their mistakes.
Re: Scotland ccTLD? - armchair quarterbacking
On 9/17/14 8:03 AM, manning bill wrote: Perhaps a dose of factual information may temper this thread. If we are talking about ISO-3166-2 - the basis for the CCTLD delegations, then: 1_ Scotland has no say in the country code selected. This is not actually true. We have prior art on countries not liking the code they were assigned, and successfully lobbying for it to be changed. This is one of the entanglements that I referred to previously. :) Doug
Re: Scotland ccTLD? - armchair quarterbacking
- Original Message - From: manning bill bmann...@isi.edu Perhaps a dose of factual information may temper this thread. If we are talking about ISO-3166-2 - the basis for the CCTLD delegations, then: 1_ Scotland has no say in the country code selected. Am I missing something, or is the Finnish transition from .sf to .fi counterevidence to that assertion? Cheers, -- jr 'so many things are just me' a -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
- Original Message - From: David Conrad d...@virtualized.org Right. Similarly, .SU has been assigned. SU is a bit odd in the sense that it was moved to “transitionally reserved” when the Soviet Union broke up and a batch of new country codes were created (e.g., RU, UA, etc.) and then, in 2007 (or so) it was moved from “transitionally reserved” (which the ISO 3166 Maintenance Agency says “stop use ASAP”) to “exceptionally reserved”. The .SU ccTLD is also a bit odd in that it is the only code that does not (officially) have a nation-state (and hence a legal framework) behind it. In practice, I believe it falls under the Russian legal framework. The European Union (holder of .eu) is not a nation-state either, is it? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On Sep 17, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: The .SU ccTLD is also a bit odd in that it is the only code that does not (officially) have a nation-state (and hence a legal framework) behind it. In practice, I believe it falls under the Russian legal framework. The European Union (holder of .eu) is not a nation-state either, is it? No, but the EC exists. Regards, -drc signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On 9/17/14 9:10 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: David Conrad d...@virtualized.org Right. Similarly, .SU has been assigned. SU is a bit odd in the sense that it was moved to “transitionally reserved” when the Soviet Union broke up and a batch of new country codes were created (e.g., RU, UA, etc.) and then, in 2007 (or so) it was moved from “transitionally reserved” (which the ISO 3166 Maintenance Agency says “stop use ASAP”) to “exceptionally reserved”. The .SU ccTLD is also a bit odd in that it is the only code that does not (officially) have a nation-state (and hence a legal framework) behind it. In practice, I believe it falls under the Russian legal framework. The European Union (holder of .eu) is not a nation-state either, is it? Cheers, -- jra iso3166-1 is not restricted to political jurisdictions, e.g., a nation-state. there are about a dozen regional intellectual property organizations which have been allocated iso3166-1 code points, along with quite a few bits of postage stamp trivia, my favorites being those that have no human residents, some have been recently withdrawn. in the gtld trade, the .eu hack and the .ps hack stand out as creative use -- the first used the existence of a reserved alpha2 for a currency, the second a statistical abstraction -- to solve two similar problems -- the non-availability of namespaces to de facto political jurisdictions. the arab league has attempted, without success to date, to replicate the .eu hack, and an attempt has been made, also without success, to re-purpose rather than retire an iso3166-1 code point, previously allocated to the united states and managed until withdrawn, by the insular affairs office of the department of the interior, for one or more indigenous polities of north america. this just popped up in my fb feed (yes, i read rue89), apropos of the .su sub-thread. in keeping with the owen-knows-more-about-everything-than-i-do truism, one is free to ignore this and hold fast to owen's latest revealed wisdom: http://rue89.nouvelobs.com/2014/09/15/lurss-existe-toujours-internet-cest-devenu-zone-254809 -e
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:02:45AM +0200, Tei wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#Decoding_table GO [...] seems to be free :D 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway... the newest independent state. - Matt
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
Alba was the ancient roman name for England, meaning white, because if the white cliffs of Dover They called Scotland Caledonia and Ireland Hibernia Scotland is named for an ancient / mythical queen named Scota so they should be fine with say sc On 16-Sep-2014 8:58 pm, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: I know that IANA bases its list of ccTLDs on the 3166 list. Does anyone know if the 3166 secretariat has a preliminary choice in mind? I see press coverage of .scot, but of course that's not germane. I see also a suggestion, credited to Dave Eastabrook (sp?) of .ab, which apparently stands for Alba, which I will assume has historical significance (the country name in Scots Gaelic, perhaps?) What kind of timeframe would a new ccTLD for a major country roll out on? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
- Original Message - From: Suresh Ramasubramanian ops.li...@gmail.com Alba was the ancient roman name for England, meaning white, because if the white cliffs of Dover They called Scotland Caledonia and Ireland Hibernia Ah. Scotland is named for an ancient / mythical queen named Scota so they should be fine with say sc Except that, alas, .sc is already assigned, to Seychelles. Or this wouldn't be a thing. :-) Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
.SC is the ccTLD for Seychelles - mark Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Alba was the ancient roman name for England, meaning white, because if the white cliffs of Dover They called Scotland Caledonia and Ireland Hibernia Scotland is named for an ancient / mythical queen named Scota so they should be fine with say sc On 16-Sep-2014 8:58 pm, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: I know that IANA bases its list of ccTLDs on the 3166 list. Does anyone know if the 3166 secretariat has a preliminary choice in mind? I see press coverage of .scot, but of course that's not germane. I see also a suggestion, credited to Dave Eastabrook (sp?) of .ab, which apparently stands for Alba, which I will assume has historical significance (the country name in Scots Gaelic, perhaps?) What kind of timeframe would a new ccTLD for a major country roll out on? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274 -- Mark E. Jeftovic mar...@easydns.com Founder CEO, easyDNS Technologies Inc. +1-(416)-535-8672 ext 225 Read my blog: http://markable.com
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On Sep 16, 2014, at 11:43 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: Suresh Ramasubramanian ops.li...@gmail.com Alba was the ancient roman name for England, meaning white, because if the white cliffs of Dover They called Scotland Caledonia and Ireland Hibernia Ah. Scotland is named for an ancient / mythical queen named Scota so they should be fine with say sc Except that, alas, .sc is already assigned, to Seychelles. Or this wouldn't be a thing. :-) Why not ct? The Scots have always embraced Caledonia. Heck, their airline, before BA bought them, was called British Caledonia (a better airline than BA IMHO)
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian ops.li...@gmail.com wrote: Alba was the ancient roman name for England, meaning white, because if the white cliffs of Dover They called Scotland Caledonia and Ireland Hibernia Scotland is named for an ancient / mythical queen named Scota so they should be fine with say sc sc is Seychelles. Available s* include sf, sp, sq, su and sw. They should pick .sf, use .scot for in-country domains and sell all .sf domains to San Francisco residents. Rubens
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:45:07PM -0300, Rubens Kuhl wrote: sc is Seychelles. Available s* include sf, sp, sq, su and sw. They should pick .sf, use .scot for in-country domains and sell all .sf domains to San Francisco residents. su is not available. --msa
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On 16/09/2014 16:43, Jay Ashworth wrote: Except that, alas, .sc is already assigned, to Seychelles. Or this wouldn't be a thing. :-) no-one's recently found oil under the Seychelles, so there doesn't seem to be an immediate need to install some new democracy over there and liberate the downtrodden .sc domain. Otherwise, Alba is the scottish Gaelic for Scotland, but .al is assigned to Albania. Nick
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On Sep 16, 2014, at 11:52 AM, TR Shaw wrote: On Sep 16, 2014, at 11:43 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: Suresh Ramasubramanian ops.li...@gmail.com Alba was the ancient roman name for England, meaning white, because if the white cliffs of Dover They called Scotland Caledonia and Ireland Hibernia Ah. Scotland is named for an ancient / mythical queen named Scota so they should be fine with say sc Except that, alas, .sc is already assigned, to Seychelles. Or this wouldn't be a thing. :-) Why not ct? The Scots have always embraced Caledonia. Heck, their airline, before BA bought them, was called British Caledonia (a better airline than BA IMHO) Typo. SHould have been CE
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
Jay Ashworth writes: I know that IANA bases its list of ccTLDs on the 3166 list. Does anyone know if the 3166 secretariat has a preliminary choice in mind? It hasn't. I see press coverage of .scot, but of course that's not germane. That is a gTLD at best, not an alpha-2 ISO 3166 code. I see also a suggestion, credited to Dave Eastabrook (sp?) of .ab, which apparently stands for Alba, which I will assume has historical significance (the country name in Scots Gaelic, perhaps?) What kind of timeframe would a new ccTLD for a major country roll out on? Well, first the country has to exist, which can take some time even when the vote is yes. ISO 3166 MA allocates a code, and tries to do that as soon as possible the country has a name etc., hopefully it can be arranged at the date the country became in existing (which was the case with recent new coutries (SS, SX, CW etc.) but that are no guarantees. Then ICANA can pick a registry, delegate etc. Whether they plan to prepare for that in advance one has to ask IANA. jaap
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: Available s* include sf, sp, sq, su and sw. SF (Finland, from “Suomi Finland”) is “transitionally reserved” meaning it is allocated but will be removed from the allocated list “soon” (for some value of the variable “soon”). I believe the hold down timer for transitionally reserved is something like 50 years now. As such, it’s not available. SU is the Soviet Union, now classified as “exceptionally reserved” which IANA treats as available for assignment (other exceptionally reserved codes are EU, UK, and AC). Don’t get me started on why SU is exceptionally reserved instead of transitionally reserved. Regards, -drc signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
Do we get to bill time and materials (tm) if they vote to secede? I mean, we're engineers and all but even this discussion has netted a nonsignificant number of billable hours. Remember, the entire secession movement is being funded by a couple of Lottery winners. Just sayin'. -j On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: I know that IANA bases its list of ccTLDs on the 3166 list. Does anyone know if the 3166 secretariat has a preliminary choice in mind? I see press coverage of .scot, but of course that's not germane. I see also a suggestion, credited to Dave Eastabrook (sp?) of .ab, which apparently stands for Alba, which I will assume has historical significance (the country name in Scots Gaelic, perhaps?) What kind of timeframe would a new ccTLD for a major country roll out on? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274 -- jamie rishaw // .com.arpa@j - reverse it. ish. ...let's consider this world like a family and care about each other... -Malala Yousafzai
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On Sep 16, 2014, at 11:26 PM, David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote: Don’t get me started on why SU is exceptionally reserved instead of transitionally reserved. Just in case? ; -- Roland Dobbins rdobb...@arbor.net // http://www.arbornetworks.com Equo ne credite, Teucri. -- Laocoön signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
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Sss! :-) On September 16, 2014 12:28:05 PM EDT, jamie rishaw j...@arpa.com wrote: Do we get to bill time and materials (tm) if they vote to secede? I mean, we're engineers and all but even this discussion has netted a nonsignificant number of billable hours. Remember, the entire secession movement is being funded by a couple of Lottery winners. Just sayin'. -j On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: I know that IANA bases its list of ccTLDs on the 3166 list. Does anyone know if the 3166 secretariat has a preliminary choice in mind? I see press coverage of .scot, but of course that's not germane. I see also a suggestion, credited to Dave Eastabrook (sp?) of .ab, which apparently stands for Alba, which I will assume has historical significance (the country name in Scots Gaelic, perhaps?) What kind of timeframe would a new ccTLD for a major country roll out on? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274 -- jamie rishaw // .com.arpa@j - reverse it. ish. ...let's consider this world like a family and care about each other... -Malala Yousafzai -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
.PC, for Picts (I believe it's available.) But I doubt that would fly. They could combine Scotland and Picts to rationalize .SP. I don't know anything about Scotland's attitude toward being identified with the Picts, however. Perhaps that's a nonsensical idea. Oh well. I guess if Scotland devolves they should invade Seychelles. Problem solved. -- -Barry Shein The World | b...@theworld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD| Dial-Up: US, PR, Canada Software Tool Die| Public Access Internet | SINCE 1989 *oo*
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On 9/16/14 9:28 AM, jamie rishaw wrote: Remember, the entire secession movement is being funded by a couple of Lottery winners. Um ... the history of Scots not wanting to be ruled by !Scots goes back a wee bit further. :) Doug
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On 9/16/14 9:26 AM, David Conrad wrote: SU is the Soviet Union, now classified as “exceptionally reserved” which IANA treats as available for assignment (other exceptionally reserved codes are EU, UK, and AC). Don’t get me started on why SU is exceptionally reserved instead of transitionally reserved. A better question is why is SU still in the root? Doug *ducks and runs*
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Barry Shein b...@world.std.com wrote: .PC, for Picts (I believe it's available.) But I doubt that would fly. Clearly the right answer here is either .SW or perhaps just .WH (since a whisky from a place other than Scotland is obviously just wrong ... :)) Regards, -drc signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On 16/09/14 16:26, Jay Ashworth wrote: I see also a suggestion, credited to Dave Eastabrook (sp?) of .ab, which apparently stands for Alba, which I will assume has historical significance (the country name in Scots Gaelic, perhaps?) It has current significance, as Gaelic is recognised as an official (albeit minority) language. This is probably a reasonable suggestion. The irony is that these kinds of infrastructure questions are so far below the radar of the Scottish Government that I wouldn't be surprised at all if its operation were outsourced to Nominet...
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: I know that IANA bases its list of ccTLDs on the 3166 list. Does anyone know if the 3166 secretariat has a preliminary choice in mind? I see press coverage of .scot, but of course that's not germane. Here's a list of assigned and available ISO 3166 alpha-2 codes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#Decoding_table Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin her...@dirtside.com b...@herrin.us Owner, Dirtside Systems . Web: http://www.dirtside.com/ May I solve your unusual networking challenges?
RE: Scotland ccTLD?
From: David Conrad Clearly the right answer here is either .SW or perhaps just .WH (since a whisky from a place other than Scotland is obviously just wrong ... :)) I believe the Irish monks who invented the stuff might beg to differ, but really, we're talking about an oil rich nation being repressed by a despotic monarchy, why the hell haven't we invaded already? Jamie
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: Available s* include sf, sp, sq, su and sw. One really should to consult http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards/country_codes.htm and https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#home before making these kind of assumptions. jaap
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On 9/16/14 8:26 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: What kind of timeframe would a new ccTLD for a major country roll out on? that could be several quite distinct questions: 1. assuming that the aye vote prevails, in what quarter will the iso3166/ma issue the relevant update, allocating a code point to the new political jurisdiction? 2. assuming the iso3166/ma issues the relevant update and code point, when will the new political jurisdiction designate a registry operator? 3. assuming new political jurisdiction designates a registry operator, when will the root zone publisher delegate the code point to the operator designated by the new political jurisdiction? 4. assuming the root zone publisher delegates the code point to the operator, when will the operator go live, and what, if any, stages of or restrictions on access will the operator exercise subsequent to that point in time? your milage may vary, of course. Eric
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:26 PM, David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote: On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: Available s* include sf, sp, sq, su and sw. SF (Finland, from “Suomi Finland”) is “transitionally reserved” meaning it is allocated but will be removed from the allocated list “soon” (for some value of the variable “soon”). I believe the hold down timer for transitionally reserved is something like 50 years now. As such, it’s not available. SU is the Soviet Union, now classified as “exceptionally reserved” which IANA treats as available for assignment (other exceptionally reserved codes are EU, UK, and AC). Don’t get me started on why SU is exceptionally reserved instead of transitionally reserved. Why SU is not transitionally reserved: http://vimeo.com/87939821 Rubens
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On 9/16/14 10:45 AM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: On 9/16/14 8:26 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: What kind of timeframe would a new ccTLD for a major country roll out on? that could be several quite distinct questions: 1. assuming that the aye vote prevails, in what quarter will the iso3166/ma issue the relevant update, allocating a code point to the new political jurisdiction? 2. assuming the iso3166/ma issues the relevant update and code point, when will the new political jurisdiction designate a registry operator? 3. assuming new political jurisdiction designates a registry operator, when will the root zone publisher delegate the code point to the operator designated by the new political jurisdiction? 4. assuming the root zone publisher delegates the code point to the operator, when will the operator go live, and what, if any, stages of or restrictions on access will the operator exercise subsequent to that point in time? FWIW (and despite my participation in the thread) all of this speculation is worthless, in case anyone is keeping score at home. :) Meanwhile, it's probably worth pointing out that while Eric has the rough outline of the process correct above, by no means do all of those steps have to occur serially. OTOH, there is no accounting for how quickly or slowly any of them will occur. There are also numerous possible entanglements at each step, so really, the speculation is worthless. :) Doug
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:52 AM, Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#Decoding_table Minor nit, referring to secondary sources, even ones so well-maintained as wikipedia, has rather often led to confusion in the ccTLD space. The primary source for this information is here, I encourage people to refer to it instead: https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#search Using the new UI, how would one identify the ISO-3166 codes that have been reserved for user defined purposes (i.e., AA, QM-QZ, XA-XZ, and ZZ)? The decoding table was extremely useful. It’s a shame ISO decided to remove it. Regards, -drc signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On 9/16/14 11:06 AM, David Conrad wrote: On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:52 AM, Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#Decoding_table Minor nit, referring to secondary sources, even ones so well-maintained as wikipedia, has rather often led to confusion in the ccTLD space. The primary source for this information is here, I encourage people to refer to it instead: https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#search Using the new UI, how would one identify the ISO-3166 codes that have been reserved for user defined purposes (i.e., AA, QM-QZ, XA-XZ, and ZZ)? The decoding table was extremely useful. It’s a shame ISO decided to remove it. I agree, but, progress ... ? Doug
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Jamie Bowden ja...@photon.com wrote: Clearly the right answer here is either .SW or perhaps just .WH (since a whisky from a place other than Scotland is obviously just wrong ... :)) I believe the Irish monks who invented the stuff might beg to differ, No, no. They invented Whiskey. (:) for the humo(u)r impaired) but really, we're talking about an oil rich nation being repressed by a despotic monarchy, why the hell haven't we invaded already? Probably the weather. Regards, -drc signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
Subject: Re: Scotland ccTLD? Date: Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:09:27AM -0700 Quoting Doug Barton (do...@dougbarton.us): A better question is why is SU still in the root? Since the rebels in eastern Ukraine have been reported to call their intimidation police НКВД[0] I suppose the rest of the apparat that was Soviet Union will return shortly. Better keep SU in the root just in case. On a more on-topic note, there are several domains still in use under SU. -- Måns Nilsson primary/secondary/besserwisser/machina MN-1334-RIPE +46 705 989668 The entire CHINESE WOMEN'S VOLLEYBALL TEAM all share ONE personality -- and have since BIRTH!! [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donetsk_People's_Republic#Sectarian_attacks signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On 16/09/14 18:18, David Conrad wrote: Clearly the right answer here is either .SW or perhaps just .WH (since a whisky from a place other than Scotland is obviously just wrong ... :)) Actually heard recently that .sq might be the preferred option. Not sure what the reason for that was. I'd like to think that, unofficially, we could remember it as 'sq for squatted namespace'. :) -- Tom
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On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Tom Hill t...@ninjabadger.net wrote: On 16/09/14 18:18, David Conrad wrote: Clearly the right answer here is either .SW or perhaps just .WH (since a whisky from a place other than Scotland is obviously just wrong ... :)) Actually heard recently that .sq might be the preferred option. Not sure what the reason for that was. I'd like to think that, unofficially, we could remember it as 'sq for squatted namespace'. :) Squatland? -Bill
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Majdi S. Abbas m...@latt.net wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:45:07PM -0300, Rubens Kuhl wrote: sc is Seychelles. Available s* include sf, sp, sq, su and sw. They should pick .sf, use .scot for in-country domains and sell all .sf domains to San Francisco residents. su is not available. --msa I think it is now, since the break up of the Soviet Union. Owen
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What will happen to .uk if England is left alone? Masataka Ohta
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On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Masataka Ohta mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp wrote: What will happen to .uk if England is left alone? Will be reserved to a future United Korea if that happens... Rubens
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 01:01:24PM -0400, Barry Shein wrote: .PC, for Picts (I believe it's available.) But I doubt that would fly. They could abolish all taxes and fund the entire country just on domain name sales. I don't know anything about Scotland's attitude toward being identified with the Picts, however. Perhaps that's a nonsensical idea. They've always been a bit picty about that sort of thing. - Matt
RE: Scotland ccTLD?
sc is Seychelles. Available s* include sf, sp, sq, su and sw. They should pick .sf, use .scot for in-country domains and sell all .sf domains to San Francisco residents. Or Science Fiction productions. Lots more money there.
Re: Scotland ccTLD?
On 9/16/2014 18:57, Masataka Ohta wrote: What will happen to .uk if England is left alone? Masataka Ohta There are still at least 3 countries left in the UK if Scotland splits. The name change is that in that event, Great Britain (.gb country-codeReserved Domain - IANA) will refer only to the land mass (which it should any way, but if often used to refer to the three kingdoms on it. -- The unique Characteristics of System Administrators: The fact that they are infallible; and, The fact that they learn from their mistakes.
