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Martin Hannigan wrote: > The only question I have is a context switch. Why Mogadishu? Do the (sea) > pirates need more capacity to manage their ship hijacking business? Because ethiopia is the effectively land-locked economic power in the neighborhood and it needs diverse landing sites. Also I think Mogadishu is off the table for the moment. > > Best Regards, > > Martin >
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On 11/08/2009 00:24, Martin Hannigan wrote: The only question I have is a context switch. Why Mogadishu? Do the (sea) pirates need more capacity to manage their ship hijacking business? The indications are that Somalia has been improving over the past year or two. If this continues, then it may have a reconstructive capacity to grow which other countries don't. Nick
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On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > americans are a bit naive about the rest of the world Not the Americans who provided a large chunk of capital and are managing SEACOM. Short summary: The operator is anticipating that South Africa and Kenya alone are going to utilize 85% of the capacity. The design capacity of the cable (The maximum saleable amount of bandwidth) is 1.28 Tb/s. The rest of the capacity is within reach of oil and some Francophone countries. Tata is buying capacity on the Mumbai to Djibouti leg which will interconnect them to both EASSY and SEACOM. EASSY and SEACOM are sharing landing stations in a few high value locations. All very commercial and not so uncommon. The only question I have is a context switch. Why Mogadishu? Do the (sea) pirates need more capacity to manage their ship hijacking business? Best Regards, Martin -- Martin Hannigan mar...@theicelandguy.com p: +16178216079 Power, Network, and Costs Consulting for Iceland Datacenters and Occupants
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[Followups set to futures as organization discussion.] On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 08:13:55AM -0400, William Allen Simpson wrote: > Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: > >above link, and routing, at transport, there is a tld effort as well. > > > >Randy Bush wrote: > >>yes. informally, a fair number of nanogians have spent the last few > >>decades doing tech transfer to the developing economies, including > >>helping start sister groups such as afnog. nanog participates with arin > >>in a bursary to bring engineers from developing economies to nanog and > >>arin meetings. etc. > >> > >>sorry this so poorly publicized that you did not know. > >> > It's not, and I cannot find it on our NANOG website. As you may remember, > I'd helped with more formal outreach and instruction via ISoc (mid-'90s), > but had not heard of the same by NANOG. It currently goes by the somewhat confusing moniker of a scholarship, right there on the pull-downs on every page of the site. The Postel Network Operator's Scholarship does get promoted widely and applicants are sought from other ops communities across the globe. Unfortunately for those not plugged into the physical meetings, it hasn't actually been promoted on nanog-announce, etc in the past. That will definitely get rectified. Cheers, Joe -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE
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On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:49:51PM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/10/business/global/10cable.html > > if seacom completes, and it is looking likely (yay!), this will be great. > but > > Alan Mauldin, research director at TeleGeography, a telecommunications > market research company, said Africa was the last major area where > broadband access was not widespread. > > try much of the pacific islands, central asia (the stans), myanmar, much of > india, laos, cambodia, and large swaths of northern china and the middle of > russia. and i am sticking to places with non-sparse population. > > americans are a bit naive about the rest of the world. > > randy clearly Alan's whole point rests on the interpretation of the two words -major- and -area-... and no, we will not stoop to using the US definition of broadband. --bill
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> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/10/business/global/10cable.html if seacom completes, and it is looking likely (yay!), this will be great. but Alan Mauldin, research director at TeleGeography, a telecommunications market research company, said Africa was the last major area where broadband access was not widespread. try much of the pacific islands, central asia (the stans), myanmar, much of india, laos, cambodia, and large swaths of northern china and the middle of russia. and i am sticking to places with non-sparse population. americans are a bit naive about the rest of the world. randy
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On that note, folks might want to see http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/10/business/global/10cable.html
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Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: above link, and routing, at transport, there is a tld effort as well. Randy Bush wrote: yes. informally, a fair number of nanogians have spent the last few decades doing tech transfer to the developing economies, including helping start sister groups such as afnog. nanog participates with arin in a bursary to bring engineers from developing economies to nanog and arin meetings. etc. sorry this so poorly publicized that you did not know. It's not, and I cannot find it on our NANOG website. As you may remember, I'd helped with more formal outreach and instruction via ISoc (mid-'90s), but had not heard of the same by NANOG. OTOH, I've rarely attended any NANOG meeting outside Michigan, and we've not had one here for many years. There's one coming up in October that I'm looking forward to attending (time and finances allowing). What exactly is NANOG doing do help interconnect West Africa? Moreover, what NANOG member financing assistance to Nitel paying its fees, so that its link would be restored?
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above link, and routing, at transport, there is a tld effort as well. Randy Bush wrote: Does NANOG have an outreach and construction program? yes. informally, a fair number of nanogians have spent the last few decades doing tech transfer to the developing economies, including helping start sister groups such as afnog. nanog participates with arin in a bursary to bring engineers from developing economies to nanog and arin meetings. etc. sorry this so poorly publicized that you did not know. randy
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> Does NANOG have an outreach and construction program? yes. informally, a fair number of nanogians have spent the last few decades doing tech transfer to the developing economies, including helping start sister groups such as afnog. nanog participates with arin in a bursary to bring engineers from developing economies to nanog and arin meetings. etc. sorry this so poorly publicized that you did not know. randy
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Nick Hilliard wrote: On 08/08/2009 18:09, William Allen Simpson wrote: Not in a long time. My memory is that SAT-3 was supposed to be a nice cooperative effort funded by the nations themselves, rather than an outside investor. With cooperation, I'd have expected good peering. Indeed, it is a co-operative affair owned by several of the incumbent telcos along the route, and one suspects that they engage in all of the sort of benevolent, community-focussed behaviour that you'd expect from incumbents. Oh, neither of us are talking about benevolence. If you and I have a joint venture, then I'd expect we'd have no problem with interconnection. On a more serious note, and peering / interconnection arrangements aside, the cable fault indicates a critical lack of resilience on the west coast of africa. True. Does NANOG have an outreach and construction program? If not, it's probably not on-topic
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On 08/08/2009 18:09, William Allen Simpson wrote: Not in a long time. My memory is that SAT-3 was supposed to be a nice cooperative effort funded by the nations themselves, rather than an outside investor. With cooperation, I'd have expected good peering. Indeed, it is a co-operative affair owned by several of the incumbent telcos along the route, and one suspects that they engage in all of the sort of benevolent, community-focussed behaviour that you'd expect from incumbents. On a more serious note, and peering / interconnection arrangements aside, the cable fault indicates a critical lack of resilience on the west coast of africa. Nick
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William Allen Simpson wrote: By the map in the article, the termini are Spain and Portugal on one end, and South Africa on the other. Surely, a single break wouldn't affect both ends A week later article by the BBC says it didn't. Rather, the Benin branch has the break. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8176014.stm "The rest of the system is unaffected by this fault," a Telkom South Africa representative said. And the landings to Benin and Nigeria seem to be different (at least they have different numbers), so that's probably the break (between them). The Nigerian telco Nitel hasn't paid its dues, so its branch has been shut off, and most of Nigeria runs through Benin. Apparently, there is peering, and Benin is currently running "through neighbouring countries" Sounds like this happenstance will provide motivation for more peering and cooperation.
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>> http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2009/07/2009730775992910.html > Surely, for a major investment like this, both ends have peers with others? never actually looked at the problems of african networking, have you? randy
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Randy Bush wrote: better lay coverage in al jazeera http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2009/07/2009730775992910.html Thanks, Randy. Making this more on-topic, the map show many hops down. How can a single cut affect more than 1 hop, those on either side of the cut? Surely, for a major investment like this, both ends have peers with others?
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Jorge Amodio wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Warren Bailey wrote: In other news, Nigerian Scams at an all time low this morning/afternoon. Since some time ago I've been getting them through .cn sites and new variants like "I won the $500K Toyota Bingo" ?? ... can't believe that still some people fall for the scam. Cheers Jorge According to some quick fuzzy math(*), there will be 410,121 new suckers joining the net today. [*] http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm
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On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Warren Bailey wrote: > In other news, Nigerian Scams at an all time low this morning/afternoon. Since some time ago I've been getting them through .cn sites and new variants like "I won the $500K Toyota Bingo" ?? ... can't believe that still some people fall for the scam. Cheers Jorge
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> In other news, Nigerian Scams at an all time low this morning/afternoon. Unfortunately a lot of the Nigerian scams run out of Dutch coffee shops/internet cafes and thus won't be affected. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sth...@nethelp.no
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Article said 2 weeks. - Original Message - From: Rod Beck To: Randy Bush ; North American Network Operators Group ; AfNOG Sent: Thu Jul 30 04:14:15 2009 Subject: RE: sat-3 cut? I wonder how long it will take to get a ship there ... Regards, Roderick S. Beck Director of European Sales Hibernia Atlantic -Original Message- From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com] Sent: Thu 7/30/2009 1:10 PM To: North American Network Operators Group; AfNOG Subject: sat-3 cut? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8176014.stm
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I wonder how long it will take to get a ship there ... Regards, Roderick S. Beck Director of European Sales Hibernia Atlantic -Original Message- From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com] Sent: Thu 7/30/2009 1:10 PM To: North American Network Operators Group; AfNOG Subject: sat-3 cut? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8176014.stm
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In other news, Nigerian Scams at an all time low this morning/afternoon. ;) From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com] Sent: Thu 7/30/2009 4:10 AM To: North American Network Operators Group; AfNOG Subject: sat-3 cut? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8176014.stm
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better lay coverage in al jazeera http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2009/07/2009730775992910.html randy
