Re: Reinventing the wheel on a path to deeper learning

[Tom Beecher]

Matt-

The Program Committee is definitely aware of the imbalance towards
complexity in topics. We have been working on some ways to try and bring
back more '101' style content to help fill that gap.

If you have any specific requests for content,  or feedback you would like
to share on what comes out, you can email the entire committee,
nano...@nanog.org. ( That goes to anyone who reads this message as well. )

On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 11:59 AM Matthew Pounsett 
wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 02:42, Cynthia Revström via NANOG
>  wrote:
> >
> > And while Discord is not at all a replacement for mailing lists in my
> opinion, I think it's important to realize that it (and other chat based
> things like it) have their place, especially among the younger groups.
>
> I'm not even "the younger group" anymore (as a nearly-50 gen-x-er) and
> I still prefer chat for many kinds of interaction.
>
> As for NANOG specifically, it would not occur to me to ask on this
> list about beginner-level networking problems, and that's as a
> long-time NANOG attendee and list subscriber.  NANOG's environment
> just doesn't give the vibe that it's a good place to start when you're
> just trying to figure things out.  The list traffic and meeting
> agendas have always been dominated by either high-capacity or
> high-complexity.
>
> Someone trying to sort out early questions is going to be way more
> comfortable on a chat platform (that doesn't have a permanent memory),
> possibly even in a channel designated for that kind of help.
>

Re: Reinventing the wheel on a path to deeper learning

[Daniel Jakots]

On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 11:56:46 -0400, Matthew Pounsett
 wrote:

> As for NANOG specifically, it would not occur to me to ask on this
> list about beginner-level networking problems, and that's as a
> long-time NANOG attendee and list subscriber.  NANOG's environment
> just doesn't give the vibe that it's a good place to start when you're
> just trying to figure things out.  The list traffic and meeting
> agendas have always been dominated by either high-capacity or
> high-complexity.

Totally agreed.

What community people recommend for beginners? I do have a couple of
questions.
So far, I asked my friends in a round robin fashion to avoid burdening
one in particular, but having a dedicated group of people would make
more sense.

And even if I'm a millennial at the younger end of the range, I would
actually prefer a mailing list. (But feel free to share whatever you
have)!

I tried to find such a group by searching "bgp community" but it didn't
help :-)

Cheers,
Daniel

Re: Reinventing the wheel on a path to deeper learning

[Grant Taylor via NANOG]

On 3/23/21 12:41 AM, Cynthia Revström via NANOG wrote:
And while Discord is not at all a replacement for mailing lists in my 
opinion, I think it's important to realize that it (and other chat based 
things like it) have their place, especially among the younger groups.


I believe that chat / IM most /definitely/ have their place along side 
mailing lists.  To me they serve different purposes.


IM(ns)HO chat is more real time, low latency, and low bandwidth 
communications with immediate gratification.  Conversely mailing lists 
are decidedly not real time, higher latency, and higher bandwidth 
communications without the immediate gratification.


There's a 3rd form of communications that I've not seen (or missed) in 
the discussions, that being the NANOG in person meetings.


To me, all three forms of communications have their uses and can 
function as a compliment to each other.  However, none of them are 
replacements for any of the others.


It's also important to remember that the types of information that pass 
through each mode of communications are different.  As such, it might be 
possible to actually improve the quality (SNR) of communications in each 
mode if we gravitate towards the mode that best suits the need.  Real 
time discussions of ongoing events (including the "me / here too"s) may 
be better via Discord.  Summaries and longer running discussions are 
probably better suited to a mailing list.  And nothing will beat in 
person presentations at NANOG meetings (or recordings there of).


Perhaps we should spend a few minutes thinking about what question(s) 
we're asking / point(s) that we're making.




--
Grant. . . .
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Re: Reinventing the wheel on a path to deeper learning

[Matthew Pounsett]

On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 02:42, Cynthia Revström via NANOG
 wrote:
>
> And while Discord is not at all a replacement for mailing lists in my 
> opinion, I think it's important to realize that it (and other chat based 
> things like it) have their place, especially among the younger groups.

I'm not even "the younger group" anymore (as a nearly-50 gen-x-er) and
I still prefer chat for many kinds of interaction.

As for NANOG specifically, it would not occur to me to ask on this
list about beginner-level networking problems, and that's as a
long-time NANOG attendee and list subscriber.  NANOG's environment
just doesn't give the vibe that it's a good place to start when you're
just trying to figure things out.  The list traffic and meeting
agendas have always been dominated by either high-capacity or
high-complexity.

Someone trying to sort out early questions is going to be way more
comfortable on a chat platform (that doesn't have a permanent memory),
possibly even in a channel designated for that kind of help.

Re: Reinventing the wheel on a path to deeper learning

[Mark Tinka]

On 3/23/21 08:41, Cynthia Revström via NANOG wrote:



And while Discord is not at all a replacement for mailing lists in my 
opinion, I think it's important to realize that it (and other chat 
based things like it) have their place, especially among the younger 
groups.


Best advice we can all digest.

We can't fight what the kids are doing. They grew up with this 
(Internet) thing. Many of us lucked into it. The mindset and 
expectations couldn't be more different.


Mark.

Re: Reinventing the wheel on a path to deeper learning

[Cynthia Revström via NANOG]

This is good!

I really appreciate it when younger people get attention for actually also
knowing things like this.

If I recall correctly according to Mark Kosters at ARIN, I was the first
person to successfully setup delegated RPKI in ARIN (in production) at the
start of 2020 at age 18.

This is also why I think some of the discussions going on in NANOG atm are
potentially quite good to have.
I have seen many of the younger people in this scene (including Nate) on
Discord with regards to these kinds of topics.

And while Discord is not at all a replacement for mailing lists in my
opinion, I think it's important to realize that it (and other chat based
things like it) have their place, especially among the younger groups.

-Cynthia

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 22:26 NANOG News  wrote:

> We’d be hard pressed to name many teenagers as thoughtful, curious, and
> open to new experiences as Nate Sales. Now in his junior year at the Catlin
> Gabel School in Portland, Oregon, he has already built, designed, and
> engineered more than most people twice his age. Nate not only manages his
> school’s robotics team, he also developed an app to track on-campus
> movement during COVID 19, coordinates radio communications for the Amateur
> Radio Emergency Service, is a Reliability Engineer at Fosshost, and sits on
> the advisory board of the Emerald Onion — a Seattle nonprofit and encrypted
> transit ISP.
>
> We spoke with Nate recently about his path into tech, and his experience
> presenting at a NANOG conference, where he was — to our collective
> knowledge — the youngest to ever do so. What struck us most was his
> curiosity and willingness to build, dismantle, and rebuild again in the
> name of new discoveries and greater insights; an ethos all of us could
> stand to learn from.
>
> Read the Feature - Read the Feature
> 
>

[NANOG-announce] Reinventing the wheel on a path to deeper learning

[NANOG News]

We’d be hard pressed to name many teenagers as thoughtful, curious, and
open to new experiences as Nate Sales. Now in his junior year at the Catlin
Gabel School in Portland, Oregon, he has already built, designed, and
engineered more than most people twice his age. Nate not only manages his
school’s robotics team, he also developed an app to track on-campus
movement during COVID 19, coordinates radio communications for the Amateur
Radio Emergency Service, is a Reliability Engineer at Fosshost, and sits on
the advisory board of the Emerald Onion — a Seattle nonprofit and encrypted
transit ISP.

We spoke with Nate recently about his path into tech, and his experience
presenting at a NANOG conference, where he was — to our collective
knowledge — the youngest to ever do so. What struck us most was his
curiosity and willingness to build, dismantle, and rebuild again in the
name of new discoveries and greater insights; an ethos all of us could
stand to learn from.

Read the Feature - Read the Feature

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Reinventing the wheel on a path to deeper learning

[NANOG News]

We’d be hard pressed to name many teenagers as thoughtful, curious, and
open to new experiences as Nate Sales. Now in his junior year at the Catlin
Gabel School in Portland, Oregon, he has already built, designed, and
engineered more than most people twice his age. Nate not only manages his
school’s robotics team, he also developed an app to track on-campus
movement during COVID 19, coordinates radio communications for the Amateur
Radio Emergency Service, is a Reliability Engineer at Fosshost, and sits on
the advisory board of the Emerald Onion — a Seattle nonprofit and encrypted
transit ISP.

We spoke with Nate recently about his path into tech, and his experience
presenting at a NANOG conference, where he was — to our collective
knowledge — the youngest to ever do so. What struck us most was his
curiosity and willingness to build, dismantle, and rebuild again in the
name of new discoveries and greater insights; an ethos all of us could
stand to learn from.

Read the Feature - Read the Feature