SPANS Vs Taps

2010-07-01 Thread Bein, Matthew
As I was doing a design today. I found that I had a bunch of 100 MB
connections that I was going to bring into a aggregation tap. Then I was
thinking, why don't I use a switch like a Cisco 3560 to gain more
density. Anyone run into this? Any down falls with using a switch to
aggregate instead of a true port aggregator??



Regards,



Matthew



Re: SPANS Vs Taps

2010-07-01 Thread Gary Gladney
Depends on the the bunch of 100MB connections.  On the down side, when 
aggregating using a Cisco switch is a limit on the number of switch ports you 
can aggregate.  On the up side, you don't have to be concerned about another 
device between the switch and device you want to connect to.  

Gary


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 Original message 
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 16:48:14 -0400
From: Bein, Matthew mb...@iso-ne.com  
Subject: SPANS Vs Taps  
To: nanog@nanog.org

As I was doing a design today. I found that I had a bunch of 100 MB
connections that I was going to bring into a aggregation tap. Then I was
thinking, why don't I use a switch like a Cisco 3560 to gain more
density. Anyone run into this? Any down falls with using a switch to
aggregate instead of a true port aggregator?? 

 

Regards, 

 

Matthew 




Re: SPANS Vs Taps

2010-07-01 Thread Darren Bolding
Tap manufactures will be sure to tell you of many issues.

The main concern I would have is that it is possible for a switch to drop
frames of a SPAN.  Your decision might be influenced based on your
application and the impact of such errors (billing, lawful intercept,
forensics).

A tap vendors take: http://www.networkcritical.com/What-are-Network-Taps

On a somewhat related note, I will mention that TNAPI from ntop is quite
handy.   http://www.ntop.org/TNAPI.html

http://www.networkcritical.com/What-are-Network-Taps--D

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Bein, Matthew mb...@iso-ne.com wrote:

 As I was doing a design today. I found that I had a bunch of 100 MB
 connections that I was going to bring into a aggregation tap. Then I was
 thinking, why don't I use a switch like a Cisco 3560 to gain more
 density. Anyone run into this? Any down falls with using a switch to
 aggregate instead of a true port aggregator??



 Regards,



 Matthew




-- 
--  Darren Bolding  --
--  dar...@bolding.org   --


Re: SPANS Vs Taps

2010-07-01 Thread Ricky Beam
On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 19:24:38 -0400, Darren Bolding dar...@bolding.org  
wrote:

Tap manufactures will be sure to tell you of many issues.


Well, there are issues on both sides...

A true tap is an electronic mirror.  It doesn't much care what the signal  
is; whatever it senses, it replicates.  As the OP is talking about an  
aggrigating tap, he's already using a switch.  I've used NetworkCritical,  
NetOptics, and several other cheap taps.  None of them are even remotely  
cheap.  That said, use an ethernet switch...



The main concern I would have is that it is possible for a switch to drop
frames of a SPAN.  Your decision might be influenced based on your
application and the impact of such errors (billing, lawful intercept,
forensics).


Yes, a switch can drop traffic (inbound and out.)  But so can a tap.  And  
so can the thing listening to the tap.


At work I'm configuring an integrate Broadcom 10G switch (SoC) as a pure  
mirror.  The ports wired to the system form a trunk group which is the  
destination for the mirror of the external ports.  This is exactly what  
you'll find inside $ commercial multiport aggrigating taps. (and  
btw, we've thrown over 1Mpps at it without issue; ~50% 64byte packets, the  
bane of any switch.  (recorded) real world traffic, not some Spirent  
simulation.)


--Ricky