Re: Sign-On Letter to the Court in the FCC's Net Neutrality Case

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From: Rich Kulawiec
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 6:25 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Sign-On Letter to the Court in the FCC's Net Neutrality Case

On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:41:52AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Me too. Be sure to actually read the Amicus brief - it's incredibly
> well written and informative.

I've signed on as well and strongly concur with Miles' recommendation.

---rsk

Re: Sign-On Letter to the Court in the FCC's Net Neutrality Case

[Eric Tykwinski]

I signed on as well, but why didn’t the EFF at least publish the letter to the 
list?
It was well written and laid out, even for politicians.  Personally, I would 
have included some VoIP stuff that’s well known about, but "que sera, sera”.  
The main point being if you want people to sign up, show your cards and let 
people make the business decision whether that will effect their present 
situation first.

Sincerely,

Eric Tykwinski
TrueNet, Inc.
P: 610-429-8300
F: 610-429-3222

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:23 PM, Rich Kulawiec  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:41:52AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>> Me too.  Be sure to actually read the Amicus brief - it's incredibly
>> well written and informative.
> 
> I've signed on as well and strongly concur with Miles' recommendation.
> 
> ---rsk

Re: Sign-On Letter to the Court in the FCC's Net Neutrality Case

[Rich Kulawiec]

On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:41:52AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Me too.  Be sure to actually read the Amicus brief - it's incredibly
> well written and informative.

I've signed on as well and strongly concur with Miles' recommendation.

---rsk

Re: Sign-On Letter to the Court in the FCC's Net Neutrality Case

[William Allen Simpson]

On 9/16/15 11:12 AM, Peter Beckman wrote:

Why don't you post a copy here or a link?


https://www.eff.org/files/2015/09/14/eff-aclu_internet_engineers_and_pioneers_statement.pdf

I've agreed.

Re: Sign-On Letter to the Court in the FCC's Net Neutrality Case

[Miles Fidelman]

William Allen Simpson wrote:

On 9/16/15 11:12 AM, Peter Beckman wrote:

Why don't you post a copy here or a link?

https://www.eff.org/files/2015/09/14/eff-aclu_internet_engineers_and_pioneers_statement.pdf 



I've agreed.


Me too.  Be sure to actually read the Amicus brief - it's incredibly 
well written and informative.


Miles Fidelman

--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.    Yogi Berra

Re: Sign-On Letter to the Court in the FCC's Net Neutrality Case

[Peter Beckman]

Why don't you post a copy here or a link?

The message seems good; the process is broken.

Beckman

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:


i read it, its rather good.

-e

On 9/12/15 12:45 PM, John Levine wrote:

/*If you're willing to sign on and help today, please email me directly
(off list) */and I will be happy to share a copy of the letter for you
to review before you agree to sign on.

Why don't you just send us a copy or a link?  If you're planning to
file it as an amicus it's not like it's going to be a secret for very
long.

Regards,
John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for 
Dummies",

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Re: Sign-On Letter to the Court in the FCC's Net Neutrality Case

[Eric Brunner-Williams]

i read it, its rather good.

-e

On 9/12/15 12:45 PM, John Levine wrote:

/*If you're willing to sign on and help today, please email me directly
(off list) */and I will be happy to share a copy of the letter for you
to review before you agree to sign on.

Why don't you just send us a copy or a link?  If you're planning to
file it as an amicus it's not like it's going to be a secret for very
long.

Regards,
John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly

Sign-On Letter to the Court in the FCC's Net Neutrality Case

[Jeremy Gillula]

Dear colleagues,

Apologies in advance for the spam, but as many of you know, several
large ISPs and their industry organizations are challenging the FCC's
recent net neutrality order in court. Since the outcome of this case
could have real consequences for how Internet services work in the
future, I'm writing you today to ask you to sign on to a letter that EFF
and ACLU have prepared for the court.

The letter explains several key engineering concepts that are vital to
understanding how the Internet actually operates (e.g. the end-to-end
principle, the layered network stack, how IP routing works, etc.). It
also stays away from legal arguments, and instead focuses on the
technical arguments for how net neutrality has been key to the design
and operation of the Internet since its beginning. It also lays out the
technical consequences that could occur should the FCC's order be struck
down, focusing on how large ISPs could transform the Internet from a
system where innovation can take place without permission to one where
ISPs get to dictate what protocols and services their customers are
allowed to use.

/*If you're willing to sign on and help today, please email me directly
(off list) */and I will be happy to share a copy of the letter for you
to review before you agree to sign on.

The more signatures we can get, the more likely the court is to take
notice. All it takes is an email. Please help us make sure the court
gets the message: from an engineering point of view, neutrality and
openness are fundamental to the way the Internet operates today.

Thank you for your support,

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Re: Sign-On Letter to the Court in the FCC's Net Neutrality Case

[John Levine]

>/*If you're willing to sign on and help today, please email me directly
>(off list) */and I will be happy to share a copy of the letter for you
>to review before you agree to sign on.

Why don't you just send us a copy or a link?  If you're planning to
file it as an amicus it's not like it's going to be a secret for very
long.

Regards,
John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly